Hi, 've just vain for an explanation sought to understand me, what with 24p and i and something has to be:) had with my hv30 a test and made receptive to the internet and promptly gestlelt the question whether the 24p was ... how would I know:) I will teach and train, but the example I do not understand. http://www.hdtv-space-forum.de/1080p_und_24hz/24p_eine_einfuehrung-t508.0.html
I would be rich already "24p is great for videos with a lot of movement" or something (provided it's true:)) grüße: kilian
Antwort von B.DeKid:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlaced
My view is 24p for "moving" objects are not to use - rather later "i" material "p" to create material.
"p" is in the Net but I actually regarding the qualification requirement.
For static shots (ie slower swing / landscapes), the 24p mode, but ok.
That's it then, but already synonymous
MfG B. DeKid
Antwort von Axel:
"B. DeKid" wrote:
My view is 24p for "moving" objects are not to use - rather later "i" material "p" to create material.
This can be done to clear. Elaborately deinterlacetes "i" material is then 24, rep. 25p. Two halved motion phases, more than fairly bad to a whole transaction. In the best case there is no difference from native "p".
"B. DeKid" wrote:
"p" is in the Net but I actually regarding the qualification requirement.
On old Röhrenfernsehern how they just ausröcheln - and only then - is "i" as such presented.
"B. DeKid" wrote:
For static shots (ie slower swing / landscapes), the 24p mode, but ok.
Probably it is a 25p mode (marginal difference). In any case, does the rumor that with "i" every swing speed is okay. Show me a successful panorama swivel in 50i, and, lo and behold, at 25p it is as good (just deinterlace, is the same as a "real" p-Studio, above).
Critically, it will be in "p", if one of the Shutterzeit of 1/50tel (or 1/48tel at 24p) diverges.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
? But we are speaking of the "24p" mode of Canon - ch So what took place the material in the 'p' is expected never so convincingly - but my experience relates to the synonymous XL (SD) Series back - and has given me the 24p mode can never convince.
But I am perfectly aware that today's "p" already vernümpftig can be, if not better than "i".
But if I know the 24 p mode synonymous Canon a pure invention, right? Quasi advertised with "quality movies" for the "small" purse.
MfG B. DeKid
Antwort von Axel:
You're right, so that in the HDV of the HV30 is no "p" is, just as with the Canon XL DV. Today there are more arguments if any, of the support of the NLEs to the normal output devices, computers and LCD / plasma, for p than for i.
The better resolution in motion i is undeniably relevant but at last only for some forms of sports reporting (which is missing one, on the other hand, the many skaters, snowboarders and BMX videos on the net to "phases"?) And a special aesthetic reason for porn (the feeling, as I say so beautifully expressed in a book have found the "continuous presence").
Quite the statement is false, 24p is for moving objects "unusable". Therefore, I speak here against a knee-jerk. No longer been in movies, right?
Antwort von B.DeKid:
The statement "is for moving objects are not to use" I simply moved away to the "Canon 24p" mode - because I've tested a lot and compared with the available to me Cam - and comb to the conclusion that this mode is not for my projects to use it.
The in "movie" only "p" is used and an example. Mr. "Bogner" certainly delivers top quality - which can and you really do not want to speak again. ;-)
I would wish me synonymous "p" - perhaps s.besten directly 50p as the new standard. ;-)
In Movies - hmm - in January has long again as I was in Berlin - (Sony Center in original sound / s.die thank again the people had recommended it to me - here with me I must go too far, and so did my own DVD Movies small built but which is sufficient for my needs should be ;-)
MfG B. DeKid
Antwort von Schleichmichel:
The right way to deal with 24/25p must be learned, just like everything else. Unless one is not dependent on it.
Personally, I 24/25p rich. 50p are at least for me-staged work-too much.
To Kilian: On platforms will interlace video material synonymous usually converted to progressive (ie deinterlaced). It makes no sense synonymous interlace. However, 25i (ie, the conventional, old video) to computer screens, flat screens, or if it has been synonymous in-50p, or correct "with 50 frames per second" are presented. Only the Resolutionvermindert thereby. But that is not standard anyway, and would be synonymous on the web too large amounts of data need.
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
Leutz, this is quite simple. There are so a few basic rules:
i - is not at all because enfach outdated and no longer feasible, because who has a tube? And there are the soap-style.
p - is always the right choice. Many only make the mistake that they shutter at 1 / 50, which then shutter (= Jerkiness) leads to movements, especially among pans.
Basically gitl here:
1. when "p" and rotates the same Bewegunsästhetik like a film camera to have, then the shutter is half as long as frame, ie the angle at 180 degrees, or 25p in PAL according to 1 / 50;
2. If one has a lot of pans, and would like that it looks like deinterlaced (only better), then choose the shutter speed according to the frame length, ie 24p for 1 / 24 in PAL 25p ie 1 / 25. And then there's no shutter, not of the viewfinder screen can be irritating, the often jerky, as well as all control tube monitors.
"B. DeKid" wrote:
My view is 24p for "moving" objects are not to use - rather later "i" material "p" to create material.
Of course not. Because that is exactly the Effect: When "i" is for example 2x PAL 1 / 50 second exposure, and for each field. After the deinterlacer is then an exposure time of 1 / 25, so it can be synonymous as described above, so do the same, but in "p" and so much cleaner.
MB
Antwort von TheBubble:
"Marc ball home" wrote:
Of course not. Because that is exactly the Effect: When "i" is for example 2x PAL 1 / 50 second exposure, and for each field. After the deinterlacer is then an exposure time of 1 / 25
It depends on how is deinterlaced. Even at the simplest method (doubling of a half), no additional motion blur added.
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
"TheBubble" wrote:
It depends on how is deinterlaced. Even at the simplest method (doubling of a half), no additional motion blur added.
No, because it is already a 1 / 25 seconds completely available.
Nevertheless, the deinterlacing is nice attempt of two delayed half an entire Vollbild to make. Nothing more. Accordingly, the direct way is always the best because the best deinterlaces never so good as a real full screen.
MB
Antwort von B.DeKid:
@ Mark
The deinterlace happening here at Canon but in Cam - and this is where I am informed by a "Schummel mode"
Even when there are no Canon 24p Ebbesen 24.96 images - so long ago recommended to me in my XL1S to refrain.
MfG B. DeKid
Otherwise did you / your right.
Antwort von Axel:
"B. DeKid" wrote:
The deinterlace happening here at Canon but in Cam - and this is where I am informed by a "Schummel mode"
It is in the case of A1, according to the manual simultaneous writing of two fields (declared as a / a / b / b / c / c in contrast to a / b / c / d / e). When HV20/30 would be even, due to the CMOS scanning, the real Schummel interlace mode. As always synonymous, there are no interlace artifacts. The best deinterlace result is obtained with an allegedly Avisynth script. I've tested it and can make itself synonymous with the adaptive deinterlacing from the frame control of Apple's Compressor probiert. In both cases, remains in motion blur of fields available. This own test shows that synonymous with the Canon cameras subsequent deinterlacer is a good option (eg for slow motion), but the so-called Schummel mode is better.
"B. DeKid" wrote:
Even when there are no Canon 24p Ebbesen 24.96 images - so long ago recommended to me in my XL1S to refrain.
If it is 24p (23.98) of DV have acted, I would have synonymous (then, at the time of the "i" dominance) advised to surrender. And not because of the quality of the result, but because of the annoying pull down Removals, NLEs than the 29.98 fps DV standards are not yet equal to the capture could interpret as 24fps. By Pal-framerate 25 fps was neither with the Canon XL still with the Pana DVX ever a problem, they had only referred to in the timeline settings half-tick rausmachen. The DVX-User Forum, you will find many old threads in which recommendations on the Schummel p-mode to renounce scornfully addressed. To make the law, that this advice is always of experts is that it never even tested or have failed at the first attempt "to secure the Page" beat. The typical error is that the camera was on automatic and an inappropriate Shutterzeit used, what is immediately noticeable as bucking.
On the other, it is clear that today it has become very difficult, i and p at all to distinguish between, so any excitement about energy is away.
Antwort von domain:
"Axel" wrote:
On the other, it is clear that today it has become very difficult, i and p at all to distinguish between, so any excitement about energy is away.
I see exactly the same way, but they gave much energy has many pages filled in several forums and contributed to the entertainment. You should occasionally synonymous times s.alte times Super8 think. The saving master filmed with 18 fps, the better situated with 24 fps and were totally happy with the soft movements. Not a word about bucking motion and motion blur, in most amateur cameras without shutter sector and the associated "correct" Shutterzeit was inevitable anyway. No doubt you would be then with 48 fps but the emperor was absolute.
How and what we read here everywhere? God, how beautiful and cinematically but are 24 fps, how could we do this at least through this wonderful look of verhunzen i video recordings to achieve?
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Gude
So now I have time a hour of energy into the subject again inserted.
So I stand by my settings ;-)
No frame and no 16:9 mode s.meiner XL1S to use.
(Both modes are fakes ;-)) in this "old" camera. And leave in my persl. Visibility with a PC today to create 100% better than when I am on technology and algorithms determine the set are obsolete or outdated.
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True and true 16:9 "p" of course I would use my existing camera if this is synonymous - you do but in the case of the XL1S NOT!
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Bzgl. 8mm - s.der because I use the Canon 1014 XL-24-s synonymous single setting. I'm always synonymous with satisfaction.
Bzgl. Deinterlaced with Avisynth script - it referred to the synonymous to the XL1S - as someone has a link for me? Dato always had to cut the material in Premiere deinterlaced, but would be happy if Avisynth better times may be tested.
MfG B. DeKid
PS: Sorry if I Kili the subject on the XL1S redirecting.
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
Power but simply all what you want:) Meanwhile, we blithely filming next wirs like all those years and have learned and greet time being of the patches of earth where all have no idea ... ;)
MB
Antwort von wolfgang:
I think that says None, that those who had no idea.
My experience with the 24p and 25p modes of various JVC devices are synonymous but not so great - at least a tendency for the material to me a lot more bucking than 50i, my view on all devices.
And personally I think therefore that the deinterlacer of the hardware is still not a bad option - simply synonymous because 50i motion resolution is better than the 24p or 25p modes, so our small devices can offer.
If, then, I would consistently remain in a mode - that is, filmed in around 25p, 25p cut in output than 25p (which in HD is a shame because of the Blu Ray is not supported). Or just completely in 50i. From the change of 50i to 25p or 24p, I believe little that is actually no acceptable conversion formats if you look at the literature to watch (and with good reason not).
Antwort von B.DeKid:
@ Mark
Have you ever the "Frame Mode" of the XL1S had tested? (If yes, finally ne pretty old cucumber and is probably synonymous far below your standards)
I am so happy to teach - but after my own experience and previous research and previously synonymous again (today) search on the net - I think now that my years of workflow regarding working with the XL1S - certainly a better result with itself brings.
So I unfortunately can not have a "Frame Mode" suggest about the XL1S and synonymous not their "16:9" mode.
It is apparently not due to the specifications in the real situation "p" or "16:9" to create.
And since I am happy with what I must have, it brings me to stop little "fake" modes can too. Especially when I know the complaints to Dato never came.
MfG B. DeKid
PS: And here in the Hunsrück, the clocks are ticking yes eh NEN bissel always different - I hope you can understand my view up ;-)
Antwort von domain:
"B. DeKid" wrote:
Especially when I know that appeals to Dato never came.
I've actually always synonymous with the following situation is expected: Known look at my video s.and expressed thereafter as follows: quite nicely done, but the 50i mode has ruined everything, impossible, disastrous, pity for the work .. ......
Well, to 50p, I would have not even the slightest objection to that, but I have not synonymous mission awareness, someone 24-25p as the sole salvation making einzureden, I totally wurst, what someone else makes.
So quote Marc ball home: "Make it easy all what you want:)" This is exactly the right attitude.
Antwort von Axel:
"domain" wrote:
Well, to 50p, I would have not even the slightest objection to that, but I have not synonymous mission awareness, someone 24-25p as the sole salvation making einzureden, I totally wurst, what someone else makes.
So quote Marc ball home: "Make it easy all what you want:)" This is exactly the right attitude.
Basically, it is. If, however, on request, what with the "p" in a modern video on him, an absolute "hands off!" or a pastoral "I rate as" comes mixed with half (-bild-) truths, is a relativist objection appropriate.
Original "i" material, I would only deinterlace's Web, because then it is not different, otherwise the progressive representation on modern devices might better than a software-generated full. Finally, these panels are expected to, with "i" TV to be fed. That was not always so. My WG abolished several years ago against my advice a 4:3 LCD for a ridiculously high price of (now hangs in the kitchen). This thing can not handle with fields, each tube provides a better picture. With modern TVs, it is vice versa.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
I moved my statement on my experience Seits XL1S.
Not in today's "p" capable Cams. Indeed, I have only limited experience ..
My work has been partly in Pro. Bike or skate videos incorporated ....
Known only look at me "he ass ** Fi Videos" which I here in the countryside so omas can customize, so interested because only the length ;-) Not "i" or "p".
(I could not resist = Sorry, lol)
MfG B. DeKid
Antwort von DWUA:
Gude, you now my "grandma" or "en masse" ... ? (Sounds almost similar).
:))
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
The old mills, but all can no p. Like the Z1, the things only a real-time deinterlacing, but no progressive record.
The thread but will ask for 24p, so real p. And that concerned synonymous my answer: At 24p or 25p, and no Gewurste of old cams. And since it all exclusively on the correct exposure time.
Cheers MB
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Chickpea * *
DUWA ... , Writes the "en masse" lol, so rather then "en masse" as "OMAS" that would be yes Pervers echt ;-) So what my dear, I probably will not.
@ Mark
AIC, na siehst ;-)
MfG B. DeKid
Antwort von DWUA:
"Axel" wrote:
... This thing can not handle with fields, each tube provides a better picture. With modern TVs, it is vice versa.
Hugh! You've spoken. Therefore, we are still happy with 4:3 ? (That is 4 tubes: 3 area).
