I have before me a NV-GS 330 to buy. For the holidays and s.and to film something. Therefore, the camera determines it? Or is there in this price segment comparable better? 3 weeks have now researched and am in the 330 landed.
Now to my actual question. Everywhere, the PQ tapes are recommended. Can I use the VU synonymous or need it for the extra 3CCD YE be developed? As I have read, there is the image quality of the bands forth no differences. Then it should be but for me as a filmmaker, the opportunity to buy or FE?
The abbreviations stand for Panasonictapes I certainly do not need to mention? :-)
gruß Mani
Antwort von Debonnaire:
"MaNeY" wrote:
Which is short for Panaspnictapes I certainly do not need to mention? :-)
What does "short" and what does "Panaspnictapes" and where the stands and why you mention it, but if you do "not to mention" do?
It is in digital video recording using magnetic tapes, never to set the picture. This is only and solely in the numerical coding of the recorded signal depends on what you have, however, have no influence. In your case, incidentally, the DV format (The fact that this is for "Digital Video" is, I certainly do not need to mention?) Related.
The tapes differ only and alone in the mechanical quality of the processed parts and the kindness of datentragenden magnetic coating on the tape.
As long as one (as cheap) tape in the camera or the player can be played (ie can insert and rotate) and the digital information stored on the tape read errors, it is no preference which type you had.
However, a cheap, low quality standalone tape possibly fail faster and no longer play, or the image information on the s.sich "rolling" tape contain spelling errors and / or can not be read correctly.
If you like the pictures really important and possibly irretrievably, I would have a high quality product (often one, which the manufacturer for the Camera recommends!) Set!
But I hardly need to mention? :-)
Antwort von MaNeY:
Forgiveness. I did not proofread. Did the error is now edited.
I do not want any cheap buy tapes. I voted yes 3 Tapes proposed to have all of Panasonic. Only question I have whether it is absolutely necessary that I buy the more expensive PQ, but since I rarely films and the tapes s.sich not synonymous to the archive will use. But I use my hard drive in the calculator.
On the manufacturing side synonymous, I have found nothing that directly 3CCD the tapes are recommended. Only in the description of the tapes will hold that these are especially good for 3CCD appropriate.
When I see the movies after the start of the Calculator on games you should theoretically synonymous but the standard of Panasonic tapes FE rich or I'm mistaken?
Antwort von Eugen von ...:
"MaNeY" wrote:
Only in the description of the tapes will hold that these are especially good for 3CCD appropriate.
What a nonsense. Exactly the same rubbish as "brilliant colors" and what I know for a Bla, the customer believes the most outstanding analog times. Since video cameras were synonymous, nor the "special Color Lenses." Review after prefer bands with relatively rotating particles cultures.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ MaNeY
The tapes are also not of yet of Sony Panasonic manufactured. The international batches come to the largest part of Fuji and the European batches of Pyral mostly in France. What began as a sticker on it and will gebappt advertising awards come from the marketing departments and have you ever seen such a body, which tells the truth? We have in the last year of production volumes per 150 pcs of both synonymous of Sonyals Panasonic (best quality) and only had to drop. In our distress (because the rotation was in Chile and the next representation of Sonyin Brazil) have a few of the cheapest DV cassette suburb bought .... and not a single drop! You see, it's all advertising ..... try it out and buy not by price or advertising awards.
Antwort von MaNeY:
Then I can close it now that it is synonymous the standard tapes do? I wanted to try out different now, because often advised against various tapes to use.
When I talk of any marketing messages would fade, I would have to go through this forum probably do not use. Leave me then I prefer the experience of other people.
Antwort von WoWu:
This is synonymous sense .... Incidentally, drop outs are not only caused by the tape ... we had a few years ago times enormous difficulties with D5 tapes, the best and finest of what it was then s.transparenter recording .... until then, after extensive laboratory tests and with the help of Fuji Japan proved that the copy works Kalkarbeiten in the neighboring area of transfer and has the Kalkpartikel on the tape and have stored in our heads .... zukleisterten You see, sometimes the causes are not at the tape and in adverse conditions, synonymous with camcorder recordings, the so synonymous with drop outs. So much fun with it.
Antwort von darg:
Tapes 3CCD or HDV compatible synonymous these tapes, because I could always hit your head and pondering how stupid they really Marketingfuzzies a breakpoint. That is exactly how such a rubbish CD-resistant speakers that 90ziger beginning of time there. The last years were the ones IPod-Compatible Speaker or Headphones :-) To shoot that something synonymous with digital recording tapes exist.
Fortunately there are still people like WoWu to obtain a clear mind and a sowas educate and preserve its money before the window to throw.
Axel, San Jose
Antwort von Debonnaire:
"MaNeY" wrote:
Then I can close it now that it is synonymous the standard tapes do?
Hey, I have everything you need to fully answer my very first explained! When you read something of the fact by what we helfenderweise you write, or ask why you again and again again?
Antwort von MaNeY:
Now is not the same times so bitchy! ;-)
You constantly talk of cheap tapes and I wanted to know which of the 3 tapes I proposed is sufficient for me.
I have not even such a detailed response is expected, since I most yes anyway few times here in the forum have read.
Since, however, has not yet been answered (I have never found it, at least) whether for a few films and "not-to-cassette Archievierer" synonymous YE of the Panasonic range, I stop here after.
As a computer scientist is expected but eh only Yes or No as an answer: p
Antwort von WoWu:
@ MaNeY
Actually, I know of scientists that they are not just yes / no, but synonymous relationships ... but perhaps this knowledge, I must once again be reviewed.
No one can tell you whether certain tapes for you to work or not, because such parameters are with the respective band batch change. This applies to both low-tapes, as synonymous as hochgepriesenen expensive Tapes ... Try it and if it works before you rate. There are no guarantees that certain tape recorders on some work. If so would any marketing department would have a big sticker pasted: "Drop-Out-Free". Therefore expect any announcements, the clairvoyant skills for granted. And that not every question with Yes or No answer is clearly synonymous.
Antwort von MaNeY:
Understand and expect a difference ;-) with the Yes / No then it is more an insider. (haha)
It was me not synonymous to the functioning of the tapes s.sich. Here, again and again the PQ highly advertised because they are particularly durable and are therefore particularly suited for archiving, etc.
But now I wanted to simply know whether or not synonymous Standard Tapes when I meet the tapes only for the recording and then use the movies directly to HDD and then drag archive. When I say standard I mean no cheap tapes, but sound quality for normal consumers.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"WoWu" wrote:
... Actually, I know of scientists that they are not just yes / no understand ...
Well, we know there are 10 types of people: Those who understand the binary system and those who do not understand ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von WoWu:
Actually it should be so hot, "... we know 01 types of people ...;)
Antwort von Markus:
Why 01? The body 10 in the binary system is very different for the 2 in the decimal, the joke was founded, has the appropriate Bernd.
Antwort von WoWu:
Thanks for the information ...
Antwort von Debonnaire:
So, MaNeY, here your long-awaited, unambiguous, almost binäreinfache, informatikertaugliche Final Answer: BUY THE MORE EXPENSIVE THEN YOU ARE ON THE SAFER SIDE.
Or, in the binary sense of your mind and in answering all of your totally confused with nieces and scientist-like "This or rather, or perhaps synonymous probably that or not?" Questions: 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1
Everything clear? If not: Just ask, then you will be helped!
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"MaNeY" wrote:
... because I ... ... the tapes are not used to be archived. But I use my hard drive in the calculator ...
You'll know why you're doing, but you already know that you mean one of the biggest advantages of the tapes throw overboard? Cheaper, easier and safer than archiving on hard drive (or several synonymous, so not everything is gone, if it adopts a record) is the fuss all the original tapes - especially as you probably already very few films.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von MaNeY:
"Debonnaire" wrote:
So, MaNeY, here your long-awaited, unambiguous, almost binäreinfache, informatikertaugliche Final Answer: BUY THE MORE EXPENSIVE THEN YOU ARE ON THE SAFER SIDE.
Or, in the binary sense of your mind and in answering all of your totally confused with nieces and scientist-like "This or rather, or perhaps synonymous probably that or not?" Questions: 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1
Everything clear? If not: Just ask, then you will be helped!
You're neither funny nor do you have with your sarcastic nature somewhere wannabe "friends". If you are now my question for the third time do not understand, then that's your problem.
Fortunately, there are other competent people!
@ Bernd Yes I know. But I have a preference for the HDD as storage media. This is rather a subjective decision :-)
I have now synonymous for YE Tapes decided. So thanks for the help ...
Antwort von Debonnaire:
"MaNeY" wrote:
You're neither funny nor do you have with your sarcastic nature somewhere wannabe "friends". If you are now my question for the third time do not understand, then that's your problem.
LOL! Is that so ... What applies to YOU, for others need not apply!
And if you do not fasten my answer, then I can live with it. No Problem! Grosskotzig not have to stop for clear answers scientist scream when exactly you definitely NOT Iniformatiker or Informatikdenkender or're intelligent! To Kringeln! Otherwise you would realize that I PERFEKT your questions, piece by piece, once in plain text and then for your presumptuous "scientist wannabe posturing," answered. If you are not income, when you in your Sound and jargon YOUR answer, then let this Forum Page! Tschüssi!
Antwort von MaNeY:
"Debonnaire" wrote:
"MaNeY" wrote:
You're neither funny nor do you have with your sarcastic nature somewhere wannabe "friends". If you are now my question for the third time do not understand, then that's your problem.
LOL! Is that so ... What applies to YOU, for others need not apply!
And if you do not fasten my answer, then I can live with it. No Problem! Grosskotzig not have to stop for clear answers scientist scream when exactly you definitely NOT Iniformatiker or Informatikdenkender or're intelligent! To Kringeln! Otherwise you would realize that I PERFEKT your questions, piece by piece, once in plain text and then for your presumptuous "scientist wannabe posturing," answered. If you are not income, when you in your Sound and jargon YOUR answer, then let this Forum Page! Tschüssi!
If one has no more arguments, then hold the "You must not of thee to other shcließen" awards. You're certainly BILD readers, as you write and argumentierst.
So much fun yet.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
a large number of cassettes come from France (eg Sony Premium) this is true, but not stop all.
I was ever an employee of Panasonic Sonyand asked both longtime employees in the accessories (Tapes & Disks) which I have long been familiar.
Dropouts, failure rates, durability, dimensional tolerances, volume shrinkage are a few phrases that a höherklassiges valuable tape can do.
3 CCD cartridges are nonsense - as shown here.
I assume like the cheap Fuji DVC tapes, proboscis (a very valued user) use (s) like the PQ Panas.
Everyone has some tapes with good experiences, some says the tapes have to be so expensive because they cost more better, you can not fix. AMQ tapes, there is still synonymous.
This is something like this, you ask me, where should I refuel?
For an amateur filmmaker or normal, it is my view now that there is absolutely no preference is what it takes tape (unless he goes wild and her out). People at a high level filming and earn money, there are possibly even more conscientious.
But I do EB enough people know the cameras in their easy to use tapes and so happy, I am synonymous with the professionals is no longer so sure.
If you loose the money is sitting, and it satisfies you the best for your camera to use, then do it! For most users this is the best as well as the rest and not noticeably better.
VG Jan
Antwort von MaNeY:
"Jan" wrote:
For an amateur filmmaker or normal, it is my view now that there is absolutely no preference is what it takes tape (unless he goes wild and her out). People at a high level filming and earn money, there are possibly even more conscientious. ... For most users this is the best as well as the rest and not noticeably better.
VG Jan
Thank you! I wanted more synonymous not know :-)
Antwort von Debonnaire:
"MaNeY" wrote:
Thank you! I wanted more synonymous not know :-)
"Debonnaire" wrote:
The tapes differ only and alone in the mechanical quality of the processed parts and the kindness of datentragenden magnetic coating on the tape.
As long as one (as cheap) tape in the camera or the player can be played (ie can insert and rotate) and the digital information stored on the tape read errors, it is no preference which type you had.
However, a cheap, low quality standalone tape possibly fail faster and no longer play, or the image information on the s.sich "rolling" tape contain spelling errors and / or can not be read correctly.
If you like the pictures really important and possibly irretrievably, I would have a high quality product (often one, which the manufacturer for the Camera recommends!) Set!
You can call me narrow-minded, but I could swear that I have all this in the very first answer to your questions are already confused said ... ;-))
Antwort von nico:
Du Hast!
But what do you expect when someone questions the motto is: Which road surface is optimal for a diesel car with 115PS?
Antwort von Debonnaire:
"nico" wrote:
Du Hast!
But what do you expect when someone questions the motto is: Which road surface is optimal for a diesel car with 115PS?
Now I am not quite sure what you want me to say ... Exactly BECAUSE stupid question, incomplete and ambiguous was asked, I have them accordingly minimal binding, but nevertheless fully looking at all the parameters, answered. Was denn, bitte schön, is my very first answer to the question of the poster NOT what happens in a hundred times durchgekauten additional responses of others then added would be substantial?
Antwort von nico:
Quote:
Now I am not quite sure what you want me to say ...
Quite simply, that I have fully and completely endorse.
Antwort von Debonnaire:
"nico" wrote:
Quite simply, that I have fully and completely endorse.
Oh, beautiful! :-D
Antwort von Jan:
I think the user just wanted a clear statement, without further ado wild (although your statement has a good level) have - yes or no.
Yes - you, the FE tapes, we see no major reason to höherklassigen tapes to use, we have only good experiences with the cheap tapes made - would be the best answer.
I have in my company often synonymous, we root user you must always go into detail on the product and all corners of view and uncover all weaknesses. The mass of people will not do that, they just want to hear is the Camera & the accessories suitable for me or should I go higher?
Sure, it can go in the pants, now MaNeY eg if the first drop in a major film with the low FE has bands. The can, however, synonymous with the PQ tapes happen - we could MaNeY but übelnehmen.
How it Debonnaire has already said, the pros just like the amateurs I know and I of course, I'm never with the simple bands badly.
100% fortuneteller we are not, although as our Mark is close.
VG Jan
Antwort von desmosom:
script error in the post .. read below;)
Antwort von desmosom:
so .. 've just decided that once again the subject was said to be ... ;-)
my tip:
no preference what you use tapes, do you even type on a solid and permanent for the.
the "chemistry" on the various bands are usually not tolerated and then begin to smear each other to - what I know the only problem with / for the record that there was suddenly "nothing is more" or individual dropouts occur.
generally smear "expensive" tapes less, ie synonymous after years (or many hours of recording) will be less receptive residue on your head find - durability of your cam!
that expensive does not equal better, it should be added: bsp.weise I used with my z1 forever the "sony digital master" porcine expensive (ca 15, - excl), but in a beautiful "profit" wrap - a test until I've read that the panasonic DVD Professional "(ME-chemie DVM60, AY-DVM60YE Code)) during the same period where the digital master frame 0-2 drops had only have 0-1 ... and the only cost EUR 4.5 excl!
hab my cam maz and maintained with cleaning tape (with trademark checkered necessarily!) and I changed ... and did in the past 20 tapes noticed no difference (except for the wrap ...)
So let me here as a single on a specific tip ravish:
Panasonic AY-DVM60YE
greetz from innsbruck,
Valentin flaming far medienproduktion
Antwort von uwe03:
Hi, Unfortunately, this forum always degenerate into a more blows of "specialists" with questioners misunderstood. The forum should be used but under a heading to find a solution. Unfortunately, since only one side by getting silly and unnecessary contributions through each man again until someone has found relating to the talks. What should this nonsense with the 01 Binärdiskussion? Does it yet so I: If I have something concrete and precise to a theme can help, I reply with short and with the attempt to be understood. If the questioner can not do so, I search the error in my answer, or climb out of the debate. Uwe03
Antwort von Jan:
Unfortunately, the question belongs to the category you really can not consistently answer.
I could just ask a question "Are blondes more about the house or not?"
There is simply not the right answer, because it is their own experience thing.
I could easily imagine 30 films, of which each 33% with FE, or PQ YE filming and all have been satisfied, each feels better with his type ride.
VG Jan
Antwort von MarcSchneider:
If I buy DV tape, then I buy most of the place of Tapes dependent.
About mail order which I never, because I am too great a risk that only garbage (one afternoon in the blazing sun in the courtyard of the post office, etc. - I live in Spain) or tribunal.
Also I prefer shops, where I often tapes are sold and thus ensure that you do not have the shop keepers from 2003 into the hands gets.
I have also seen that some smaller shops in your DV tape with shelves full of sun exposure have.
Markenmäßig I buy now is only offerings. My Camera is the VX 1000 and tolerates all the tapes actually pretty good.
Antwort von Jogi:
"MaNeY" wrote:
Moin, I have before me a NV-GS 330 to buy ... Now to my actual question. Everywhere, the PQ tapes are recommended. Can I use the VU synonymous or need it for the extra 3CCD YE be developed? As I have read, there is the image quality of the bands forth no differences. Then it should be but for me as a filmmaker, the opportunity to buy or FE? gruß Mani
Maybe buy you maybe a flash memory-Cam. Thus would the question of matching bands do. But stop! Since there is again synonymous Panasonic, Sony, Fuji, ScanDisk ... and SD-Card, MemoyStick ...... :-)
Antwort von KSProduction:
"WoWu" wrote:
@ MaNeY
The tapes are also not of yet of Sony Panasonic manufactured. The international batches come to the largest part of Fuji and the European batches of Pyral mostly in France. What began as a sticker on it and will gebappt advertising awards come from the marketing departments and have you ever seen such a body, which tells the truth? We have in the last year of production volumes per 150 pcs of both synonymous of Sonyals Panasonic (best quality) and only had to drop. In our distress (because the rotation was in Chile and the next representation of Sonyin Brazil) have a few of the cheapest DV cassette suburb bought .... and not a single drop! You see, it's all advertising ..... try it out and buy not by price or advertising awards.
I have had in any case with Panasonic DV cassettes problems. It acted to tapes with over length (80 minutes). Again and again in the Wobbler Recording, here and there. I recommend TDK, because there were never problems.
