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Question of Steffi0203:
Oktober 2008

Hello!

My Profile: Female, moderately technical mind can currently wg. Lack of sleep poorly complex information processing, lack of time, because I'm the dwarf holds up to speed, and to all evil, I am still synonymous blond.
5 weeks had a boy brought to the world that I like the grimace and his success experiences and developments would like to film.
Actually, I wanted today on the way to the media market, as I read in a forum that I should of these markets, the fingers, because the prices were much higher than if I use the camcorder to buy on the Internet.
Is there professional helper to me in the choice of the camcorder with competent Council for Page stand?
I'll calculate the price with max. 700 ¬.

Thank you very much
Steffi




Reply Steadycameraman:

Sorry if I can not help you, but I can with small camcorders, so it in the shops there to buy, nothing to start.

Therefore prefer to leave hands off. My opinion.



Reply Duisburger:

http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a305303.html



Reply Sektionschef:

Hi Steffi
Would you recommend the Canon HV30, just because you have to put something on it. In online shops, it will be offered up s.740Euro ...
If it's cheaper to be: Panasonic GS330, it s.350Euro upwards.
mfg
Section Head



Reply peha:

"Steffi0203" wrote:
Hello!

Actually, I wanted today on the way to the media market, as I read in a forum that I should of these markets, the fingers, because the prices were much higher than if I use the camcorder to buy on the Internet.


Right. There should be but a respectable manufacturer, who for a long time in business.

The two devices proposals (Canon HV30 and Pana 330) close to me.
The difference: the Canon filming (synonymous) high. This makes sense if you have a high definition television and, where applicable, powerful hardware and software for HDV editing has.
The Pana has the standard resolution of the currently prevailing
PAL TV standards and the videos can be with an average modern PC cut.
Conclusion: Canon for future-oriented, Pana for price-conscious
Gruss
ph



Reply Daigoro:

"Peha" wrote:

Pana for price-conscious


If no high definition television is available, I would be synonymous to Panasonic NV-GS 330 access.

Degree as a young parent, you * always * better what that one's money to invest (which begins with the pram s.and .. never listen to - and from the state anyway just hot air and more taxes).
With the subsequent costs for a HD Television and better PC to edit, Camera, accessories as easy to get over 2000, - Euro.
It's an HD television there's still the question of the PC. And of course the time of the shooting costs.
If the initial enthusiasm evaporated technique is you notice quite quickly that there is so nice there as his child through a Viewfinder watch when growing up -> there would be 100-200 euros with its digital camera, the film can be a bit of mileage as well.



Reply Duisburger:

But what is now not in HDV or AVCHD filming, you can not synonymous in years with high s.einem watch HDTV.
The Canon HV30 and HF100 are the alternatives, with the recordings of the HF100 is still very poorly processed, as with all AVCHD camcorders.
Only the JVC GZ-HD40 can record HDV and AVCHD.
One of the



Reply Daigoro:

404ERR



Reply Duisburger:

All what he wants!



Reply B.DeKid:

Hi

Search via the link to geizhals.at / en had posted the Duisburger your dealer.

Whether HF100 or HV30 is really no preference.

On both a UV filter to protect the actual lens and buy a small bag plus extra NEN Battery ..... later entrants NEN Tripod.

MfG
B. DeKid

PS. Properly stored DV cassettes have of course still be ahead compared to the memory models Bzgl archiving.



Reply Duisburger:

"Duisburger" wrote:

Only the JVC GZ-HD40 can record HDV and AVCHD.
One of the



Reply domain:

This camcorder offers s.sich yes no outstanding features to the rather unplanned Gag the format and exactly this diversity that emphasizes consumer device probably unique from the mass of AVCHD camcorder out.
The lack of OIS is no problem, the digital works überfleißig almost as easy to test is (and has my Handtatterich times but already eliminated).
However, any IS playing with me anyway so no special role, because it is simply not recorded, at least without a monopod with braces below the top climbing (Giotto) against lateral and twisting, there is holding up the Manfrotto 501 HDV drauf.



Reply cebros:

"Daigoro" wrote:
Yes, and who now buys HD will be upset, which makes it in 5 years there with 3D recording smell (fresh diaper!:) ... and the white vulture.

Sorry, but this statement is like common nonsense


Absolutely no bullshit ... my old Digital8 recordings I hardly watch more because they are large projects are simply inedible!



Reply Dr. Walter Gesierich:

That with the highest possible recording quality at high storage capacity, I can emphasize.
I have a few months ago at the 30th My 1st birthday Daughter a half-hour, entertaining commentary film about her life of 35-passenger Celebration presented. The audience and the Jubilarin were touched and fascinated. The raw material was in fact the whole years almost without realizing it to be. So glad I was that I always have the best raw material in his time had 12 years of birth from a Canon super-8 camera, then 10 years Super-VHS and finally for 8 years, a 3-chip Sony TRV-900. The latter takes on Mini-DV tape to the best storage capacity synonymous today. If not for family films at the moment something else, such as tape as a medium take. HDV is currently the highest quality level, if you already started, your dwarf incorporated, then it should be a modern format. Unfortunately, the half-life of the developments always shorter ...
Have fun with the young film star wants Walter



Reply Daigoro:

"cebros" wrote:
"Daigoro" wrote:
Yes, and who now buys HD will be upset, which makes it in 5 years there with 3D recording smell (fresh diaper!:) ... and the white vulture.

Sorry, but this statement is like common nonsense


Absolutely no bullshit ... my old Digital8 recordings I hardly watch more because they are large projects are simply inedible!


Of course nonsense, because you do not synonymous grass 3 hours in "Full HD" will watch, because since the content is good for nothing.
If your selbstgefilmtes too boring and not particularly well-crafted made to fit to be (what it in consumer aufnahmen yes rather more than less likely to exist), it is not s.der camera, which you do not like to watch.

If the recorded memorable and worth seeing (the most vacations are not), if the basic requirements of the filming and met the (evidence here) "x Anfaengerfehler worst" are avoided - then decides maybe the Camera.

Now to go and the Camera s.die spitze this quality chain to make the industry may be used to earn more, but it is simply nonsense and poignant (not evil intentioned - and should not be synonymous in reverse mean that the movies Cheaper by ne better Camera or the camera would garkeinen influence has - but at the moment is still 99% of television and movies offer outside of Germany, HD-DVD and HD material to SD aus'm Internet and with some modest bit rates, so about all digital - if you Look at the can, one is synonymous SD movies amateur cope).



Reply Duisburger:

Hello,

on a conventional tube TV because I will not oppose large, only those who will block such a future purchase?

The television screens are getting bigger, just like the Resolutionder monitor. If you times a 1920 x 1080 pixel Full HD TV with a diagonal hast of over 40 inches, so it can be very quiet high scale, the same recording in HDV (1920 x 1080 pixels) and SD (768 × 576 pixels) you will consider the difference due notice of an HD capable projector times apart.

Of course I watch synonymous interesting ancient recordings yet, but I always regret that it was the technical quality of today did not yet exist.



Reply Daigoro:

"Duisburger" wrote:
... Of more than 40 inches.


42 ".
The upscaling of the HTPC and reserves, the signal over HDMI LCD s.den next.
I got my grad Television bought because of the size, not because of the dissolution.

Of course you can see differences, but if both of the depressed, then you do so at the moment NEN Television garnicht purchase. 99% of television is SD! Analogue or DVB - Taster.

To add a bit of HD on the goggle-box to get a scheiss must spend money -> pay (I do not come with Annixe), BluRay / HD DVD or a (pseudo) HD Camera (the 'real' HD cameras that are synonymous 3x2komma Megapixel offer 20k Euros are not to have).



Reply Bespi:

"Daigoro" wrote:
"Duisburger" wrote:
... Of more than 40 inches.



To add a bit of HD on the goggle-box to get a scheiss must spend money -> pay (I do not come with Annixe), BluRay / HD DVD or a (pseudo) HD Camera (the 'real' HD cameras that are synonymous 3x2komma Megapixel offer 20k Euros are not to have).


da lob ich mir ORF 1 HD. has the least important part of the program in (real) 720p



Reply Duisburger:

"Daigoro" wrote:

42 ".
The upscaling of the HTPC and reserves, the signal over HDMI LCD s.den next.
I got my grad Television bought because of the size, not because of the dissolution.
Is that a Full HD LCD? Because only then you see the full quality difference.

"Daigoro" wrote:

Of course you can see differences, but if both of the depressed, then you do so at the moment NEN Television garnicht purchase. 99% of television is SD! Analogue or DVB - Taster.
If the junior gets junior times, and his own children's films synonymous TV shows will only be broadcast in HD. Why should own shots then the TV standard below?

"Daigoro" wrote:

To add a bit of HD on the goggle-box to get a scheiss must spend money -> pay (I do not come with Annixe), BluRay / HD DVD or a (pseudo) HD Camera (the 'real' HD cameras that are synonymous 3x2komma Megapixel offer 20k Euros are not to have).
Mir goes SonyHDR my HC-3, I now have a new purchase, I would first the JVC GZ-HD30 view.
Pay-TV for HDTV is synonymous for me, no question.



Reply Daigoro:

"Duisburger" wrote:
Is that a Full HD LCD? Because only then you see the full quality difference.


Yes. Toshiba XV series. Good device for the price.
Und nen Eigenbau "Full HD" HTPC connected via HDMI.
Und nen 21 "Eizo" More than Full HD "CRT s.HauptPC.
And ne HC5 "HDV 1080i."

All GAEB's not where my daughter is not "aus'm grossest Raus" and would like this mitprofitieren dignity (eg as a replacement film - about which I have enough here gemeckert hab-ne prefer Ad-Free DVD from the video store or the flea market). Boys parents I would never recommend something to Money for verballern.



Reply Duisburger:

Hello,

The baby equipment and other "child maintenance" is of course aware of before!
But if the 600 euros would be available if I do not invest in SD.



Reply Daigoro:

"Duisburger" wrote:

But if the 600 euros would be available if I do not invest in SD.


I do not synonymous.
350 in the GS330 and the rest in ordinary NEN car seat or stroller or high chair or cot, or ... the list is endless and the stuff is not half-life of 6-18 months, then the child rausgewachsen and the new acquisition is at.

"Available" = Money nowhere else you can use better.



Reply Duisburger:

Whether I have $ 350 in-if not obsolete, but then discontinued technology investing or would just like photographs, is the next consideration.

There is always a for and against, the considerations are understandable but it has become.

Now I wish a relaxing weekend.



Reply Daigoro:

"Duisburger" wrote:
if not obsolete, but then expiring Technology


Each technique is obsolete and discontinued as soon as it reaches the market, because we need nothing vozumachen the dictates of the product life cycle.



Reply cebros:

If my old D8 recordings no longer so happy to see like, it is definitely not the faulty s.der artisanal quality, as I Daigoro unfreundlicherweise tried to insinuate.

I just think you should be in the best possible video quality, the budget allows. Especially if the pictures a great emotional value for you and a lot of work reinsteckt. Because they never get better more - but our claims are next rise.



Reply Daigoro:

"cebros" wrote:
If my old D8 recordings no longer so happy to see like, it is definitely not the faulty s.der artisanal quality, as I Daigoro unfreundlicherweise tried to insinuate.


Strange is that the old Chaplin silent films in black and white with no sound and a Metropolis still better, movies are worth seeing as the latest Star Wars episodes or 1000BC or the latest King Kong, directed against his s / w model abstinkt.

Unfriendly? Unlicensed 'not friendly' because realistic.
If the content is worth seeing, watch the films (and like always), if not, then not. Since the latest technology helps only temporarily drüber out tomorrow because today is already yesterday .*

* And now again when the 'unfriendly' or sounds of top-down: I am myself "amateur filmmakers" (in the best and worst senses of the word). We have no scripts, interesting content we provide. 2-10 We have no cameras to capture interesting perspectives, no off-speakers, the boring passages aufheitert, and interesting to our mess to cut, we need to make itself synonymous.
The advertisement suggests that we are with the exciting new technology which movies are closer than ever, but the content, we are deep in the next hobby.



Reply cebros:

Because you like another opinion. But I had fun Wengi s.grobpixeligen, blurred shots in HD as s.scharfen

It can be synonymous no statement about the content and quality of entrepreneurial filme derived. And realistically, it is certainly not as long as you do not film've seen of me - there is simply unfriendly.



Reply TomTom100:

Why not Canon HF100? Is there s.EUR 639 at Amazon.de



Reply Duisburger:

Hello,

The HF100 is certainly a very good camcorder, but only in AVCHD recording.
An AVCHD camcorder, but I would not be a video beginners quiet conscience recommend.
In PC this matter should then synonymous nor knowledgeable about, as a supercomputer for computer processing is required.
For the post s.PC is offering the software for AVCHD is quite restricted.

The



Reply Steffi0203:

"Duisburger" wrote:
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a305303.html


Hello, and thank you for the link!
Was yesterday in the media market and have the Canon HF100 for 549, - ¬ (exhibit) until anden.
Now I have time with the manual work :-(

Many greetings,
Steffi



Reply cherrydiana:

Most importantly, I think good advice and the right questions. A good shop with personal advice - which you can even call - are the boys of Marcotec. They are good mood and have what it synonymous.



Reply Duisburger:

"Steffi0203" wrote:

Was yesterday in the media market and have the Canon HF100 for 549, - ¬ (exhibit) until anden.
Now I have time with the manual work :-(

Then a lot of fun times, and hopefully you will come with the clear cut s.PC later.



Reply Sektionschef:

"Steffi0203" wrote:
"Duisburger" wrote:
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a305303.html


Hello, and thank you for the link!
Was yesterday in the media market and have the Canon HF100 for 549, - ¬ (exhibit) until anden.
Now I have time with the manual work :-(

Many greetings,
Steffi

Please tell us with how you like the HF100, once you're a little familiar with it hst.
mfg
Section Head



Reply derpianoman:

[/ quote]
Then a lot of fun times, and hopefully you will come with the clear cut s.PC later. [/ Quote]

The is only 30 years! Su :-)
Did my junior / family synonymous "always already" filmed plane and the like. Expect that the marriage comes before 30tem Bldg. But then I'm probably not even himself into retirement, in order to cut ordendlich time to have ... :-)

I think everything s.Hi 8 (if with a little flair for the medium filmed, s. Beginners Tips) is an historical recording than happy to watch later. Of course not on the big screen ...
LG! Klaus



Reply werner sternath:

I would hold the small Canon SX1IS think, a great camera with excellent function HDV video
priced around 500,-euro

warmly Sternath werner



Reply Zizi:

Quote:
ch would be on the small Canon SX1IS think, a great camera with excellent function HDV video
priced around 500,-euro


You know already what is HDV?
Buying a HF100 or HV30 .. as already mentioned above!



Reply derpianoman:

"werner Sternath" wrote:
I would hold the small Canon SX1IS think, a great camera with excellent function HDV video
priced around 500,-euro

warmly Sternath werner


Maybe a good tip, but now, unfortunately, too early!
Maybe in two years, up to date, if the offspring of the HF100 Regal has swept ... ;-)

LG Klaus



Reply werner sternath:

"Zizi" wrote:
Quote:
ch would be on the small Canon SX1IS think, a great camera with excellent function HDV video
priced around 500,-euro


You know already what is HDV?
Buying a HF100 or HV30 .. as already mentioned above!


I check regularly camcorder and photographic equipment. Take the small canyon in the hand and you will about the quality HDV surprise. the chip is bigger than your camcorders mentioned, which has a positive effect in low ing from



Reply Zizi:

Quote:
I check regularly camcorder and photographic equipment. Take the small canyon in the hand and you will about the quality HDV surprise. the chip is bigger than your camcorders mentioned, which has a positive effect in low ing from

Do you test this camcorder for the "Bravo" or what?
HDV camcorders have only with tape and they are not all small ..
Now take one and finished the HF100 is their money worth at all events if we considered the competition!
Here was but said it all eh?
Everything is still so they're always the only answer ever given out!



Reply Duisburger:

"Zizi" wrote:

Now take one and finished the HF100 is their money worth at all events if we considered the competition!
Here was but said it all eh?
Everything is still so they're always the only answer ever given out!

Only for the AVCHD recording, the HF100 and the other AVCHD camcorder, there are no high-performance PC sound recordings to cut them.

My tip, the JVC GZ-HD30, it can be used in the well on the PC after the editable HDV format and if the PC power enough times we synonymous record in AVCHD. It is characterized, moreover, not on MiniDV tapes but on hard drive and memory card.
Only if the recordings will not be processed further, the HF100 in the coming election.



Reply wiesenpieper:

Is it really so complicated and it requires high hardware requirements for these recordings to edit AVCHD? I am a grad synonymous in the search and I would prefer to hold on SD card rather than Mini DV. But if this is sooooo complicated to be I would probably but the HV30-sightedness.



Reply Daigoro:

"meadow pipit" wrote:
Is it really so complicated and it requires high hardware requirements for these recordings to edit AVCHD? I am a grad synonymous in the search and I would prefer to hold on SD card rather than Mini DV. But if this is sooooo complicated to be I would probably but the HV30-sightedness.


So complicated, it is no longer, since there are plenty of programs, the AVCHD (in one form or another) support. Last year around the time or earlier we had to stop much rumsuchen.

Just as long as it is purely on the processor is concerned, and it remains relatively slowly to other formats. On FXsupport.de (http://www.fxsupport.de/blog/05_08.html below), there's AVCHD material - yes times can download and debug as your calculator is proposing - and in comparison to the HDV material.

































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