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Question of alex-zoom:
März 2008

Hi ..
Times I need your advice .. I know maybe it is annoying, but what is your opinion the best for my purposes ...

So look at the facts:
- I'm ready to spend money:) until approx 1300 Euro.
- I will buy a new PC with Q6600 zb 4GiG RAM
- Would like the shoot / Cuts later cut with Premiere CS3
- Heinen did noc old tubes (PAL) television ... But what will soon be synonymous her new ....
- I do not like tapes collect more, so should the Cam have a hard drive ......
- The Battery should be synonymous for more than 1 hours persevere
Well now the big question: What CAM? & HD or AVCHD?

I have here and in other forums already read a lot ... and the Pros and Cons-Points ..
NOW, however, I would of like to know what you would do!

The Cam is just so used to shooting .. the camera is a gift to a wedding ... .. but I do not want to buy outdated technology .. and I need the Cam end March ...

Can you give me a tip?

THANKS in advance ..




Reply Schleichmichel:

Suppose you get an serious tip, or a purchase recommendation of someone who is really convinced, you have been a great help to be.

You buy the part and a short time later, do you find that there is a camcorder that you for some reason would have been much better.

I hope that you have a helpful.



Reply bj-the-oj:

OK I understand your answer and your associated interpretation.
But exactly that so I ask you for advice
Unfortunately I am in the area .. not a professional or have no experience.

It is always "better things" I am aware there is and I would certainly not be responsible for my decision to make, or later with hardware Hadern. NO, I stand by my decisions.

But would just like to know what your opinion Cams make sense ... (for example, a cam for 3000 euro makes no sense since, and the cam should be synonymous compact).

It is precisely to hobby purposes, but I would like to have a good quality and something future-proof.



Reply bj-the-oj:

Hey
Future-proof give to this area, or at most until the next model change - at least in the consumer area.
Bodo



Reply alex-zoom:

Hi Bodo,

ic ok because you do quite right, in the technology field is always so .. or there are too many.

If you are now a Cam would buy? what would you do? ..
HDT or AVCHD? .. or maybe just a HDD cam? ..

At times I do not exactly synonymous knows what the quality of the low-field "is now the best.



Reply TomBom:

Hello
As it looks right now, I would, if archiving is not absolutely necessary to a memory model greifen.No mechanical parts, resistant to shock, to AVCHD.
HDD and DVD, I believe only for a transitional solution.
It remains only the question of the post - which is s.Einfachsten with SDV or HDV (both yes Bandgestützt)

Bodo



Reply TomBom:

Hi Bodo,

thank you for your answer ... Cam and what would you recommend?
Since there are so many soooooooo ...

I think it must not broadcast material so ... should be created only for his amateur films ...



Reply targi:

Hallöschen
Good question! Just go into a market and the device let you show times. Tell predict what lay DU value.
I would be for a 3-chip model - improved color reproduction - and part with accessory shoe, Micro input and headphone output, if possible, decide. The case is too expensive, at least Micro - Input!
Bodo



Reply targi:

Hi Bodo,
Thank you for your answers or comments or hints.

ja ne Micro input is a must-have accessory shoe exactly ...

OK, so gibts ne Cam for / with memory card, which makes AVCHD and furthermore is paid? ...



Reply targi:

Look hierVielleicht ist das aber synonymous bloß die anfängliche Euphorie. Allerdings hatte ich schon einige Kamkorder.

www.xacti.de

- HD
- Micro input
- Headphone output
- Accessory shoe
- SDHC
- CMOS 1Chip
- AVC
- Small
- Long Battery Operation


But make sure the current firmware yourself!

Regards
Lars



Reply Alex12345:

Hello Lars,

and what of the cams did / do you have?
What editing program did you post?

Lg Alex zoom



Reply Alex12345:

Hello Lars,

and what of the cams did / do you have?
What editing program did you post?
oh sorry it had to read over .. ok, I see me on the Model ..

How long did you have CAM?

Lg Alex zoom



Reply Alex12345:

Hi Alex-Zoom,

the HD1000, I have now are about 5 hours recording (about 2 weeks).
Previously I had for almost 2 years, the JVC GR-PD1 approximately 2 years before something cheap from the field with MiniDV Skip.
One of the predecessors of the HD1000, the HD1, I had to host over 100 hours in use. It was not my property, but I still experience gathered. That was then synonymous me the reason for this successor to decide.

As a side note: The FullHD Resolutionder HD1000 is only with Skip, but makes them but 2 HD resolutions in progressive 720p (59.94fps and 29.97fps). Instead of 1080i @ 60fps, I would prefer a 1080p @ 30fps.

Nachbearbeitet I have - if any - with dvgrab, avidemux, ffmpeg and Movies.

These are all Linux programs, which are partially synonymous for MacOSX and Win there. Actually, I do nothing. I'm more of a collector and archivist. My films are usually documentary in nature.
If I'm retired, I can then my life and that of my children or parents in the film pack.

It is synonymous to post secondary for me yet. In 35 years it is certainly better that with which I can do.

That is why for me the primary material and the (freely available, patent-free if possible) memory format s.wichtigsten. That is why I just would like progressive material.
The sound I grab Vorbisspuren.
For the video although I already have a predestined codec (Snow) found, but this is unfortunately not yet specified in version 1.0. The is still under development.

See www.ffmpeg.org

Regards
Lars

PS: If anyone of you readers the development of Snow wanted support, I could help establish contacts.



Reply Alex12345:

HI Lars,
thank you for your detailed reply.
But cutting is very important for me because I like weddings or events movies, and the need to be reworked.

I can already see an easy netscheidung ISTG does not ... but I denti becoming a Canon HG10 ... But thank you again for your link.

At the moment I am still synonymous ETAS confused .. what should I do now .. yes still have exactly 2 weeks time ...

Perhaps someone else I have a good tip to purchase!



Reply Alex12345:

I would at this moment ne HV20 / HV30 purchase. (when it gets to the end of March to be only the HV20 in question).
Without long drüber it. The whole is here a hundred times so that has been chewed and her and ultimately she seems simply to provide good images.

The whole not-call tape alternatives much compromise, because the tapes are the smallest problem.



Reply Alex12345:

"Anonymous" wrote:

But cutting is very important for me because I like weddings or events movies, and the need to be reworked.


Wedding filmmakers use HDV virtually without exception, I do not know a single professional sort of makes that would work with AVCHD. And primarily because of better possibilities of editing HDV.



Reply Alex12345:

What are the compromises?

What did the band solutions, which the others do not?
The only thing that stopped me is the compression standard DV.
But it should be no obstacle.

There are so many lossless codecs, with which you can cut the material that really should be no obstacle.
In the case allerschlimmsten take the lossy DV codec encodes and there's material for cutting.

Tapes are also difficult to get the calculator.

I would like the argument of another guest support:
Quote:
No mechanical parts, resistant to shock, to AVCHD.


I think that is very important. No hard drive and no tape drive.

If we knew exactly what the criteria are, it would be easier.
Clearly the criteria can only really know if you have (bad) experience has made.
But if you have a camera as a gift to buy, what criteria can the person prerequisite?
What is it for a guy? Has the technical understanding, or even camera experience? Knows he is with exposure time and depth, with aperture size and white balance look like?
Does he know what video codecs are ........ ?

The wedding should probably be filmed only once.


Regards
Lars



Reply Alex12345:

"Anonymous" wrote:

Tapes are also difficult to get the calculator.


Nonsense.
Especially in the context of your Rumcodiererei.



Reply Alex12345:

"Anonymous" wrote:
"Anonymous" wrote:

Tapes are also difficult to get the calculator.


Nonsense.
Especially in the context of your Rumcodiererei.


The Rumkodiererei you can probably save as Premiere CS3



Reply Alex12345:

"Anonymous" wrote:

The Rumkodiererei you can probably save as Premiere CS3



Reply Alex12345:

"Anonymous" wrote:
"Anonymous" wrote:

The Rumkodiererei you can probably save as Premiere CS3



Reply Alex12345:

"Anonymous" wrote:

Exactly, and what are the compromises that you have to do?

Regards
Lars


As it is x relating to contributions are, you can do when you're bored, use the search function.



Reply Alex12345:

"Anonymous" wrote:
As it is x relating to contributions are, you can do when you're bored, use the search function.

Good answer!
:-(



Reply Alex12345:

hi guys here is alex-zoom
So please do not dispute ... :)

hmm I'm really confused what I should do now ...
BAND But I do not want to have more ... but apparently there is not a good AVCHD CAM without band .. Well I'll just willy-nilly, ne small cam for 200 euros to buy .. and is good .. although I think the net well ...



Reply Alex12345:

or. because it seems at the moment there is not a good solution .. (

But here I will not dispute the fence break ....
The cam I wanted to give birth naturally and even synonymous use .... since I use Premiere CS3 and such but now with AVCHD does not work .. werd ich einfach ne "stupid" HDD Cam mt ... and take as little as possible to spend ... what it the middle of this year, the CAM only my wishes will ... SORRY



Reply Chezus:

The cam of your desires will never give just the computer.
It is constantly evolving and you always want the latest news.

And what have ye to DV or MiniDV just suspend?
Why should the wedding as if he is not rich synonymous for so many movies enough?

Weddings have been synonymous at the Super8 and rotated to find a nice view with HDV. Does true.

cheap, good quality without huge losses, light post? Take mini-DV, because the choice is synonymous s.Größten.

Since you're so synonymous any longer from



Reply Alex12345:

"Chezus" wrote:

And what have ye to DV or MiniDV just suspend?
Why should the wedding as if he is not rich synonymous for so many movies enough?


Na primarily a point - is not high!
;)



Reply Chezus:

high, but faded pictures are so damned synonymous not the yellow from the egg. Then maybe DV



Reply baerfot:

"Chezus" wrote:
high, but faded pictures are so damned synonymous not the yellow from the egg. Then maybe DV


... and there's no shit faded photos? ... have an "automatic" is built?

I quote here often times the first sentence to read: It does not come to the Camera, but the cameraman!



Reply Dagmar:

[quote = "Anonymous"] hmm naja net ganz.
Well but I want something better .. dei 200 euro, which I now spend so would simply be kicked out Money.

So I am going to buy me a water .. I think this time I will simply offer the dependencies simply what is available in store.
if there is an HG10 .... good quality and you can cut nes and is synonymous with HDMI moderately.

So guys dnenoch but again MANY THANKS for your answers.

Many greetings alex-zoom



Reply Dagmar:

"Anonymous" wrote:

if there is an HG10 .... good quality and you can cut nes and is synonymous with HDMI moderately.


Also not a bad choice if it's to verrecken keien cassettes should be.

Disputes? Ne. But the subject is holding a question of taste and one's own needs.
Ultimately you need to buy and use what you s.ehesten them.



Reply Dagmar:

"Anonymous" wrote:

I quote here often times the first sentence to read: It does not come to the Camera, but the cameraman!


And why are so Spielberg productions recently filmed on Video 8.

Of course, the cameraman, but nevertheless this is not required, an obsolete technology to use.



Reply Dagmar:

You have all the right times and not again ...
've noticed every time establishes a more or less emphasis on some features ...

Hmm, well I am now, unfortunately (as far as purchasing is concerned) is still not smarter ......:( unfortunately ....

But perhaps I may be a cam model say that AVCHD is good and a memory card ... the HDD version will I still be, as I know ... the cam is determined times fall down:)



Reply Dagmar:

Look into the current VAD - Comparison of an AVCHD cam with a HDV Cam (HS 9 vs. Pana. SonyHC 9) and synonymous latest info on the 30th AGM
What stands out: tape devices are always better off than comparable (AVCHD -) flash - the cause: they have identical optical parameters, "the advantage of tape" which means: you can edit it!



Reply marcvulkan:

hmm the "tape-advantage," I do not understand it fully.
There are now Progs that can do ... ic hdenke and in the future there will always be more who support it.

I just do not want more tapes .... and as I'm now on holiday, had lent me a Cam .. every hour I had to change the tape, it was really annoying! ...

Therefore either HDD or even a flash storage, but also more prone HDD is ...

Well then ne one knows the CAM is very good and writes to a memory which can AVCHD? ..



Reply marcvulkan:

"Anonymous" wrote:
... and as I'm now on holiday, had lent me a Cam .. every hour I had to change the tape, it was really annoying! ...


You have a sch ... Holiday ...;-) been - how many hours do you have for shooting with and how many hours do you have with "Relax" shipped?

Again to explain:
AVCHD uses MPEG 4 which means the material is much more compressed than the other solutions. That must be your editing software everything "unpack". At worst, the material must still synonymous ones.
And last but not least, you need to get in the prices of the media synonymous still a solution to your archive material.

MPEG 2, HDV tape recording can be as simple as editing DV Avi and yet you have the cassette synonymous with the same archive medium. Annoying "Neucodieren" deleted. The only "disadvantage": the material can only be in real time to bring the calculator - but that happens automatically, because you need not be present ...



Reply marcvulkan:

"Anonymous" wrote:
hmm the "tape-advantage," I do not understand it fully.


For SD cards, you can part ways in the 20 minutes to change (except komprimierst you very much, it is synonymous HD AVCHD für'n ass - or take ne 16GB card - then you are with 100 Euro)
And with hard drive, you can switch garnix. If the disk is full, have either a laptop to save it, or a 2 nd Camera.
If you are the Camera, it will allow se anyway away with high probability.

The tapes are saubillig per GB. Thanks to the low price it can even be amateur filmmakers, the tapes only once to play.
You have to be * in addition * DVD / hard synonymous backup again Matrial on the tape. I trau bands basically a longer life than the 'modern' media.
They are not as fragile as some people like to believe - if you are with your SD card to circumvent gefetzten as with a tape, you will not synonymous so much joy.



Reply marcvulkan:

Hello everybody!

Quote:

Again to explain:
AVCHD uses MPEG 4 which means the material is much more compressed than the other solutions. That must be your editing software everything "unpack". At worst, the material must still synonymous ones. [...]

MPEG 2, HDV tape recording can be as simple as editing DV Avi and yet you have the cassette synonymous with the same archive medium.

What is there to better than MPEG2 to MPEG4?
Why must MPEG4 at worst be calculated?
Why can edit MPEG2 as easily as DV?

MPEG4 is the same as MPEG2 format that not only I-frames uses. The compression method is a different (possibly better) but otherwise, all the disadvantages of MPEG4 synonymous for MPEG2!
Except, perhaps, that the program producers MPEG4 only now so slow to support.
DV is very different than MPEG2 and MPEG4. The two MPEG format are similar as one of the two to DV!


Quote:
For SD cards, you can part ways in the 20 minutes to change (except komprimierst you very much, it is synonymous HD AVCHD für'n ass - or take ne 16GB card - then you are with 100 Euro)


What do you expect the nonsense? Flash is fast cheaper, because more and more devices use flash. This will in future be cheaper next synonymous.

16GB SDHC Class 6 for a shipper Online p.64 ¬.
8GB Class 6 from 29.90 ¬
Stand 13.03.2008

Here is a quote from the documentation of the HD1000:
Full HD (1,920 x 1,080):
4GB SDHC: 42 min 44 s
8GB SDHC: 1 h 25 min

From all of 20min to change! With 8GB SDHC switch less often than with MiniDV tape.

Regards
Lars



Reply marcvulkan:

"Anonymous" wrote:

What do you expect the nonsense?


Ask me synonymous slowly.
From practical considerations seem really not much you keep.

"Anonymous" wrote:
Flash is fast cheaper, because more and more devices use flash. This will in future be cheaper next synonymous.


The cheap tickets for MP3 players and digital cameras are dramatically cheaper.
If you have not noticed this is: Flash is not Flash.

"Anonymous" wrote:
16GB SDHC Class 6 for a shipper Online p.64 ¬.
8GB Class 6 from 29.90 ¬
Stand 13.03.2008


Superpower - if the cards in your camera work, you only pay 10x as much for 60% of the time recording and 20x as much for 120%.
And then you schleppst holidays instead of 20 cartridges for 70 Euro 20 tickets for 600 euros through the area?
Neeeneee.

"Anonymous" wrote:
Here is a quote from the documentation of the HD1000:
Full HD (1,920 x 1,080):
4GB SDHC: 42 min 44 s
8GB SDHC: 1 h 25 min

12Mbps?
We had "high but faded pictures shit."



Reply marcvulkan:

I do not know what you always want.
Of course there are good cameras, which are then synonymous but more than 1-2T ¬.
But for the average user is not required

What is the difference between cheap SD cards of the expensive in the Funktionialität?
Who says that everything on holiday tens SD cards is stored?

We have no more tape and the cards already on holiday _wiederverwenden_!

There are storage with hard drive or portable compiler.
If the times to be annoying but will take hold more cards. The there's für'n soon Appel and'n egg.

For archiving, the SD cards are not suitable and not synonymous thought.
But you have to record not voluminous (replacement) cassettes with rumschleppen. This has advantages. The switch is synonymous not so much time.

Also, you can then the SD cards that you have at last took leave, again used.

Regards
Lars



Reply marcvulkan:

Quote:

12Mbps?
We had "high but faded pictures shit."


Would you



Reply marcvulkan:

Instead of bulky 20 cassettes (ca. Zigarretten rod and weighs almost nothing), then storage solution, or lug a laptop (the synonymous nochmal extra cost) ... sorry, but this still has nothing with 'practical solution' to do.



Reply baerfot:

"Anonymous" wrote:
Quote:

12Mbps?
We had "high but faded pictures shit."


Would you



Reply baerfot:

Hi guys here is Alex-zoom,

I'm doing well the benefits of SD flash memory and / or detected.
The HDD in the Cam will no longer be ..
But as I have seen net gitbs still so many good models with this feature ..

Has anyone of you really Erfahrugnen made with a model that makes good pictures

Lars Sorry if I now no longer on your Sanyo detail. But I'm not convinced it of the right ...

Gruß Alex-zoom



Reply segler:

Cam Wleche should it be now?



Reply segler:

Hallo jungs natürlic and wafer .. Mädelsss

At the moment I still do not Kaufebntscheidung taken, but in 1 1 / 2 weeks must iches .. I will make it so .. look at what Media Markt & CO Istre to have .. and what the price is ok, or my wallet permits .. whether HD-HDD or miniDV is really slow to me .. no preference I need a decision .. and I'm totally confused ...
what I should do now: (

Alex dannGruß to-zoom

PS will you say but what it has become now! promised



Reply edgar:

In the time you could have been the proud owner of a
http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/ Canon HV20.html
be familiar with them and yourself, before being really "seriously" (which still takes better pictures than a few minor technical differences).

:)

Tripod Please do not forget - no one wants the most beautiful day of his life in 'Blair Witch shaky Optics' enjoy. :)



Reply edgar:

yes yes you have right somehow ... sorry:) ..

but synonymous tape / band, I want no more zurückgreiffen .... synonymous-cut when it is technically still the "best" is ...
AVCHD is now but a lot of support and is synonymous Abode
(with Premiere) wolh can not resist ...

or what do you think?

ok then be a good cam with SSD If already give? or



Reply wolfgang:

So if you have Adobe CS3 do - then you are absolutely wrong ideas. The fighting is not at all - but simply and easily import any AVCHD files. If there is not supported. From the mouse.

There are relatively expensive addition of MainConcept plug-ins, or additional codecs such as Cineform of - but the version 1920x1080er ensure the holding times there cost $ 999. There are synonymous people who do conversions on Avisynth - or if it is Panasonic AVCHD devices, there are the free converter to DVC PRO HD (but apparently only for the Panasonic).

And the preview performance of AVCHD 1920x1080 with overclocked Q6600 is just as possible times - when hard cuts. But they filter it, which goes on in the knee. Because I would rather test patterns provide times, and times on your PC to play.

The new 1920 AVCHD devices, which are interesting, seem to SonySR11/SR12, or synonymous, the Canon HF10. Who wants to cut a lot, perhaps with the Canon HV30 coming in around 1000 euros price range but better care.



Reply Franz Peter:

Hi Wolfgang,

only the HV30 has now once again miniDV times, and I will simply no longer rumfliegen tapes have.

Gibts from your point of view with a comparable Cam HDD or SD?
hmm being synonymous with hard drive, unfortunately, not the yellow of egg is vulnerable because ... .. and then when full but with the stuff ...

Wolfgang you have a recommendation?



Reply wolfgang:

"Anonymous" wrote:

... and I will simply no longer tapes rumfliegen have.



Well then do not throw it through the area ....
:)

Perhaps the upcoming JVC HD6 thee what, if because of the mpeg2 processing to be - hard drive. Perhaps synonymous the Canon HF10 or SonySR11/12, if AVCHD is.

More precise, I can recommend but difficult as there are of these devices only first video in the network model, a few initial tests.

And whether one likes or not tapes, HDV, it's still easier to edit. Who AVCHD with his "luck" probiert, should of course do so - after he warned the current Editierproblemen has been ...



Reply alex-zoom:

Hi Wolfgang,

I have now decided. If a SR11 watch me today ... and had my .. (synonymous when it now a little "Risikio was / is) for
the SR12 decided .. and ordered ... Vegas is synonymous with the same here.

Next week they should be there Cam.
Will report back then times like my experience or my assessment is.

Wolfgang and all the others .. Thanks again for your comments and opinions.

Be faithful to the forum and especially my experience, no preference whether good or bad with the cam to post here.

Viele Grüße Alex-zoom

PS I have the SR12 is not at an online dealer ordered, OK was just a few euros more expensive, but I did like 2 years full warranty on it ... and not only guarantee, as many unfortunately only shop there.

































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