Frage von Anne Nerven:
Hi folks,
this is the - heading, but there is no more fitting for this theme, although it is only removed with - has to do.
I have two events with live images of 4 cameras and mix to a LED-wall transfer. Since I have not yet something happened, I was first on the net, after looking for info and hardware.
I came to following solution:
- 4 Channel Video Mixer "Datavideo SE500" with Composite and S-video inputs for rent
- 4 cables of the mixer to create Cams
- Connection from mixer to produce LED Wall
- Bildregiesseur placed before the mixer
And that's it!
While the connection from the mixer to the LED-wall pose no problem, but I am thinking of how I use the images of the cameras can be transferred to the mixer, without that only noise arrives. The removal of the cams (FX1 and XHA1) for SE500 is partly up to 100m. The LED wall hire me could not help as synonymous.
What should I consider?
What signals do I send the mixer? Is composite or S-video is required?
Should the cable particularly thick or shielded, I need amplifier?
Will it ever work, or I overlooked a fundamental problem?
Can I transfer via radio synonymous? A camera needs to move for interviews, etc. and as a cable interfering with all the bustle and the people.
Among the keywords "wireless connection, camera, video" there is very little info on the net, because the first 99 pages "video surveillance and security technology" deal, sell, explain. Page offers a British video-radio hardware for sale for around 4500, - EUR. Unfortunately, no useful info. I want it but anyway just stop renting and know what I have to be observed. A rental would certainly explain it to me, but I find none.
Bin for each informative contribution grateful.
Dirk
Antwort von WideScreen:
100m cable and then only the video ... I think that quality is not as great, but goes. Everything else is synonymous equal a lot more expensive.
By: Do not mix any of the images, it can image synonymous with each work mixers ....
Then you should still have 4 small monitors, the picture cameras show permanently so that the good man synonymous knows what he is now next to a picture takes. In general, one needs ne intercom to the camera with people talking about them.
What is feasible because Kohlemäßig? Without the information, you can hardly NEN advice.
Normally:
4 cameras with Triax link
Ne intercom (is it)
One of the cameras fernsteuert. Aperture, Focus, etc. ..
Picture One of the mixes.
1x SDI image mixer on base
4x monitors vorschau
1x Output
LED on the walls with SDI
1 Digital Camera with spark gap ([hd] SDI)
4 camera people
2 additional persons
3x Sachtler pumps, where the cameras are. If this is mögich ....
600 meters croak
minutiae ... ...
times as broad direction
price for everything I say you prefer not * lach *
Antwort von thos-berlin:
The company tst in Berlin, for example, offers a mobile directed camera moves and 4 for 3000, - s.Tag to.
http://tst.tv/downloads/Mietpreisliste09_lores.pdf
But here in the forum, there are some synonymous Live producers, you might respond. (Without any order of ranking).
Patrick Simon - http://www.video-simon.de
Makus Behrendt - http://www.behrendt.tv
Lutz Haller - http://www.videovisions.de
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
Oops! So, so that no misunderstanding arises:
It is not about the transfer of the Grand Prix de la Chanson, but only to a municipal-kart racing event. But the organizers of the planned live broadcast of the race and a few glances in the pitlane with interviews, etc., on said LED wall. This is according to the loan via Composite connected with the mixer.
The picture is well directed by the subject, had usBildregie in the "Big Brother" show. The show is silly, but for the people behind the scenes we all understand their craft. I think in any case :-) I have not yet spoken.
The cameras are of serving students who know the cameras are synonymous and usable images.
I wanted to rent at the crossroads in Cologne. In a brief telephone conversation was told that as a composite video signal transmission of the cams to the mixer would stretch. But no competent partner which can confirm or deny. Therefore my question hierim forum.
The cams do not have SDI, so that such a connection is not in question.
The SE500 provides a 4x on a picture as input and control of all the cams on a second control the output image.
I am primarily concerned, not to build or test to determine that there is no picture or only snow on the LED wall appears. The wall itself has a Resolutionvon 320x192 pixels, so HD & Co probably make little sense anyway.
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
@ thos-berlin
Thanks for the links, the men were not previously known to me.
Antwort von Markus_Krippner:
A complete video with your favorite Directed Data Video Mixer you find here to lend ... However, in Nuremberg:
http://www.andi-cam.de/videoregie.html
bissl ... scroll down ... the "mini-mobile Composite Video Director" isses.
In addition to the mixer, there are still synonymous equal 1 and a JPG card reader with it. 3x 8 "TFT Preview & Program for the highly folded. The cameras are with specific multi-cores and breakout boxes connected. Intercom, tally and power of the cameras are also with the multi-core. Breakoutboxen This can be any handheld-camera or with large screws mills in the rear-mount SonyV place (where the usually thick Li-Ion Battery sits).
It's all Pre. Current pure, multi-core tuned ... and plays instantly.
(... so I know everything because I have this thing at the time to build it Andicam)
markus ... :-)
Antwort von Johannes:
Where I would have remembered more for the cable length. You will certainly use BNC cables or? I should get to know about every 50 meters using an amplifier. So I would still regard this look.
Intercom is a fine thing, but can be synonymous cost a bunch of money.
We were often small radios with intercom function, this cost item for 2 devices around 30 euros, is synonymous with Thomann.
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
@ Markus_krippner:
That is exactly what I want. And seems synonymous to funzen.
However - as with us - it cost the mixer at the intersection 30EUR per day. That means that I have 3 8-panel displays and the multi-core 250EUR per day would have to pay. Actually, I'm not so'n bird of a Porsche on steel rims with hubcap purchases, because I for a few Alufelgen'm too stingy - but adjusts the balance is not here.
And Nuremberg is about 500km far away!
Thanks anyway,
Dirk
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
@ John:
The range is so synonymous my concern. Since, however, only 1 camera more than 50m from the mixer is removed, should a single amplifier, the budget of the organizers not explode.
On the subject of communication:
Moreover, I am right at the end of thought. Not to be the director yell! :-) Besides racing there anyway with all the radios around, as can the camera men, possibly synonymous one in the hand press. And there is so much not to include. It has every cam its leg and holds it when the crazies with their lawnmowers come served, past and rattle away again.
I want the whole really is not to be taken lightly, but it is everything in this event is very relaxed - as long as everything funzt. So, if not brain dead, the cam operated, all happy and have fun.
And I must always keep in mind that the LED wall organizer for a pure cost point is, of which he is not as yet know whether it is supported by advertising blocks and SMS greetings on the wall refinanced. So I can at best will simply not a team order and say, "power times."
Antwort von Markus_Krippner:
On the subject to signal loss at long distances, I can reassure you. 100m RG59 (= "the green standard BNC") should be synonymous for your application without any strengthening work.
On the subject of communication: There should be something with headphones for the camera men. Synonymous And remember that when you approve nem ne radio will always have to press button to talk. I hope you have ne free hand for when you incidentally nor Directing staff.
On the subject of "too expensive". The extra cost to his single device you not only pay for 3 TFT's and the scores, but synonymous for 4 Camera power supplies, complete with intercom Tally, the built in player, and above all ensure that everything is very compact already Pre, and " Plug and Play "is. Also, I'm going to (among us), nor reveal that the price for industrial customers is ;-)
500km to Nuremberg lass I apply as an argument ;-)
... markus :-)
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
From deep within my heart I give you quite. For that I just unpack the kit and the cams s.die Breakoutbox? must, immediately everything is wired together and thus weak, and errors are reduced to a minimum, it really is not too expensive.
Other way around: the organizer has 2 cable drums with green BNC cable in the camp and the event lasts 3 days. These are already 750EUR extra cost. The Tally (or is it the Tally or Tally), so the red "Caution" light, we need not, as a cameraman at the same time, each race on the tape recording and, therefore, eh always pursued what is happening. The image director has no real direction to work, but must decide what he Cam times on the wall sends. I think the white is still not ... :-)
Mainly the camera images can be transferred. The rest is almost irrelevant.
Antwort von thos-berlin:
Well, the tally could abstain, but a voice connection (at least by the director to the camera people) is quite helpful, However, the director may then prevent the cameraman just wants to swing back when he was "on air" is. That is not to with a headphone amplifier and a "mini-sound mixing" realize.
Antwort von faridrich:
Hi Anne,
So I did something pretty similar synonymous made as du War in the Summer Biathlon Ruhpolding. So with the 100m, the BNC is without problems. If the cable is not damaged somehow or somewhere s.Male broken because you have no problems.
The understanding with is actually quite synonymous. Maybe you have small radios. With something that goes quite well, then you can possibly save the tally by the mixer says: Camera 1, Camera 2, etc.
He can give you tips and synonymous then the cameras conduct by radio as he needs it.
Should you have any questions just post.
Regards
Faridrich
Antwort von newsart:
I recommend you a solution with the SONY Anycast as a mixer. This is then either in SD / HD 4:3 or 16:9. We use either EX1 or JVC cameras with HDSDI or, if cheaper to be on camera trains rebuilt Z1 cameras. Here, the components of the signal Z1 Camera s.der in SDI and then changed with electricity, Tally, sound and intercom via a cable sent. Monitors can be in the Anycast save. The proposed technique with about 1600 euros for 4 trains, complete with camera tripods, intercom, rear camera operation etc. beech. The most expensive seems to be the LED's Wall. Through the SDI route is 100 meters no problem.
Antwort von WideScreen:
In terms of the money to spend, it is too expensive Newsart. There is no money there. And with the LED wall with 320x192 (sowas gibts?) Is signal loss and sowas eh no preference. CVBS signal ranges. Cheaper mixers and go.
Thought initially it is not correct event. :)
Antwort von thos-berlin:
That's because really "Familienkeis". How big is because such an LED wall? What else is used?
Each case should be filed with the resolution then no threat exists. Simply remove the "green BNC cable" and ready for use. Then perhaps synonymous Intercom unimportant, with a Kommunikationsmöglicheit with the mobile camera (interviews) would be very helpful.
Possibly. BNC-RCA necessary - to get favorable at Reichelt Elektronik.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... This is really because "Familienkeis". How big is because such an LED wall? ... The amazingly low Resolutionhat me synonymous rather s.eine LED wall in iPod format can think of - until I started with Google such walls to sizes of 8 x 4,80 meters (!) Found. Since, the family probably somewhat greater.
Antwort von WideScreen:
WHAT? With a Resolutionvon 320x190? Oh man. Since bulbs are safely inside as pixels. * rofl *
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
Hhmmm .... because you may only request, if the equipment is highly professional demands are met or there is a minimum value of xtausend euros, or xtausend viewers? Times remains on the carpet, guys. I just wanted to know if my choice of equipment or funzt problems. Nothing more. That there are better solutions, I know synonymous. That is what we do not.
And Mr. Super Profi "widescreen": If you like the program name is not, right? Because your posting to my question to you rather than narrow-minded and farsighted will go smoothly s.Thema over. Your only disqualifying you can ridicule you also save money. People like you, I have a series of in the recording studio: the wish Neumann Mics and Focusrite pre-amps, but on whether your CD in Europe or worldwide will come, "Nope, only 's demo." So, Schuster stay in your bars! The wall alone will cost - including scaffolding, transport, construction and supervision by the rental company - is already around 6000, -. In addition, the fees of 5-6 characters, the 3 days for the transfer of care. If the NO Money for you, then I will be synonymous.
Again, it's just an additional cost to the organizers, a little treat for the audience (by the way, 40,000 family s.den 3 days), which neither admission nor 1Cent have to pay more for their beer and sausages. Since it is legitimate, just a cheap solution to the demands of the audience satisfied. And meets the wall - it was at the soccer European Championship 2008 30.000 spectators in front of the thing and cheered only when a door fell. The ball was thus clearly recognized - without HD, SDI, or Schlagmichtot Triax, but with a popel satellite receiver, as the lender said.
The standard moreover Resolutionist:
Size: 6.4 x 3,84 m
Resolution: 320x192 real, virtual 640x384
Pixel Pitch: 20mm real, virtual 10mm
Who better wall for the same or less money in the basement, may like to email. As I said: I am in charge of any helpful info appreciated. However, I believe that this report is None ...
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
@ Faridrich:
Thanks for the assistance offered. We have radios with intercom function, are thus able to communicate. Maybe we care more synonymous headsets for the camera men.
Since you seem to already have practical experience, and also without a budget the other side of Good and Evil:
What equipment have you chosen and what have you missed or disrupted, which you in planning is not thought. I am afraid I do the whole story through 100 but in practice will still find that I do not take into account several things. How was it for you?
Greeting
Dirk
Antwort von newsart:
Just to not be misunderstood: SDI transmission and One-solution (Triax) is not a question of resolution, but the operational safety and working conditions (cable makers / pitfalls / picture dropouts). And precisely because of the enormous cost of an LED wall and the high personnel costs should not end when s.falschen ingest save. It is indeed not thousands, but few hundet euros.
And s.einer reasonable synonymous intercom, I would not save. Finally, go karts do not silent through the area, as does the spark of fun ...
Moreover, I hardly know an order in which multiple cameras and a live Directing in use where the customer does not wish to record. For documentation reasons, or perhaps to the event next year with sponsors to advertise. And then there is a decent recording quality.
And the many "resolution fetishists" saying: Have you thought about times the distance of a LED-wall with 6-meter diagonal image made? Then synonymous clear why the great works with lower resolutions. Look but you times a bus stop poster (City Light) from the vicinity of ...
Antwort von thos-berlin:
Hhmmm .... because you may only request, if the equipment is highly professional demands are met or there is a minimum value of xtausend euros, or xtausend viewers? Certainly not. It swarms of amateurs, both here as synonymous of professionals and all sorts of intermediate stages. I belong to the first category, but studio experience - that is "somewhere in between", but on the Amateuraseite.
If the theme "Live Mix" and "large projection arises here, is obviously more of an issue of the pros, then with your experience and the associated equipment experience - especially when it comes to great distances goes.
Some amateurs have in their club, their church or their theater already live mixes, but then certainly not on an LED wall and not with cable lengths up to 100m.
I know that man with a 50-100m RG59 on a small screen or a good picture can get. Signal, however, was a professional unit and the display was not on an approximately 6 x 4 m LED.
Whether the dm output with an amateur camera synonymous works, I personally have not tried. But if your entity the green cable already, then try it a try. Look at the picture with a short cable times s.Television s.and then just switch the cable between roles.
As far as I know, just the top of me called Lutz Haller productions already synonymous with long lines synonymous with RG59 and easy multi-core cables relisiert, not with SDI and not with Triax. Write him an email and ask him. He was very active early, probably less now, otherwise he would have certainly been reported.
Antwort von Markus_Krippner:
Och ... as long as you do not "Premiere Bundesliga" takes as a reference, one synonymous with house funds (FBAS everything, small 4Kanal video mixers) very much, as long as s.Werk are no dilettantes.
I personally in his capacity 4Kanal mixer, however, prefer to only use 3 cameras, and the 4th channel with zb nem downkonvertierten VGA computer output evidence. This can be prepared in advance recordings (movies, graphics) to make .... the logo of the sponsor show times ... bissl advertising that the coal comes back here ... and if you could fit is still the outcome of the kart Race tabular display. There are several such events live every now and again 5 minutes, which just happens GARNIX ... and since you should then you have prepared.
markus ... :-)
Antwort von WideScreen:
Perhaps you should simply write that you have no coal. I can not smell. And if you all already know what you ask then? I have legetlich told you 4 monitors for the 4 Kamears should have and not every type with each image mixer can work.
But your personal attacks on people seem probably more frustration s.Job to be. Know Tonleute synonymous so frustrated, do not worry. :)
Antwort von Markus_Krippner:
Oh yes: If you are you ashamed, the boys of the LED-wall just a CVBS signal popel offer: The Datavideo SE500 can be synonymous in the menu to output YUV switch. Qualitatively, however, should in your case which will only marginally.
markus ... :-)
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
@ Mark Krippner
I personally in his capacity 4Kanal mixer, however, prefer to only use 3 cameras, and the 4th channel with zb nem downkonvertierten VGA computer output evidence. This is what we have just been discussed with the organizer. The guys just do not want advertising, but also an SMS service set up the SMS greeting on the wall to be transferred. Advertising should always breaks in the recorded per DVD, which sent SMS on PC but are shown in the web browser. I also have a channel
to use then, as the greetings of course, with shortest latency to the wall and consequently to appear synonymous to Live Picture must be mixed. As the work in practice, I must still clarify.
Because apparently possible, with the simple composite signal to be able to work, do I now have a larger mixer search as 3 cameras because of the route are too little. We want to be as good as any meters in the picture may have.
Interestingly, I still think that someone told me today, at the Barcelona Olympics in 1992 were synonymous only composite cables have been used. Now, says a lot, but when it is actually true, but am on the safe Page :-)
and if you could fit is still the outcome of the kart racing tabular display. Since we are still not unanimous. I suggested that the results, and especially the current levels during the race, like last year, separately on the electronic display boards to show, because during the race no pig durchblickt, who is now the front is moving. That is at 20 drivers a shambles mess. In the last Renndrittel distribute the karts on the entire route (at least 800m around the town hall), there is no electronic support order no longer to recognize. However würdeich happy for winning honors small animations preparing to live in between the pictures and be dazzled as visual support with hisses-wiper-washed and Tschinderassa Bumm as the logos of the first 5 teams (mainly companies) to fly on the wall, while the facilitator they calls. Well, let's see ...
Thanks for the suggestions :-)
Dirk
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
@ Widescreen:
Perhaps you should simply write that you have no coal. I can not smell. This statement reveals not only a certain amount of arrogance, it shows clearly that you can not read: It is not MY money. But that's why I do not spend longer than necessary.
And my question was never synonymous: How can I make? but: Is that with composite? Nothing more.
I have legetlich told you 4 monitors for the 4 Kamears should have and not every type with each image mixer can work. Achso, I thought you had written:
In terms of the money to spend, it is too expensive Newsart. There is no money there. And with the LED wall with 320x192 (sowas gibts?) Is signal loss and sowas eh no preference. CVBS signal ranges. Cheaper mixers and go.
Thought initially it is not correct event. :) WHAT? With a Resolutionvon 320x190? Oh man. Since bulbs are safely inside as pixels. * rofl * Since I am probably verguckt. Excuse me.
But your personal attacks on people seem probably more frustration s.Job to be. Know Tonleute synonymous so frustrated, do not worry. :) When you get not only the most Tonleute frustration. But I am happy to quote times myself to you to keep in mind what YOU - in spite of YOUR answers - regarded as an attack:
And Mr. Super Profi "widescreen": If you like the program name is not, right? Because your posting to my question to you rather than narrow-minded and farsighted will go smoothly s.Thema over. Your only disqualifying you can ridicule you also save money. People like you, I have a series of in the recording studio: the wish Neumann Mics and Focusrite pre-amps, but on whether your CD in Europe or worldwide will come, "Nope, only 's demo." So, Schuster stay in your bars! The wall alone will cost - including scaffolding, transport, construction and supervision by the rental company - is already around 6000, -. In addition, the fees of 5-6 characters, the 3 days for the transfer of care. If the NO Money for you, then I will be synonymous. Sun, and now I must return to my "Selbsthilfegruppe poor, frustrated Tonleute".
Shit life ...
Antwort von newsart:
... but otherwise you have no worries - both - or?
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
@ Thos-berlin
Whether the dm output with an amateur camera synonymous works, I personally have not tried. But if your entity the green cable already, then try it a try. Look at the picture with a short cable times s.Television s.and then just switch the cable between roles. Will I be next week. Still have the organizer said. Bin schon gespannt. I will probably always the mixer before ever borrow to Cams, a notebook and a LED-wall replacement? To the scenario just go through dry times.
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
@ Newsart
Am poor and frustrated. Is that not?
:-)
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
@ Newsart:
What is much more important and ichDir still wanted to write:
Moreover, I hardly know an order in which multiple cameras and a live Directing in use where the customer does not wish to record. For documentation reasons, or perhaps to the event next year with sponsors to advertise. And then there is a decent recording quality. The races are held during the transfer to Mini DV recorded. We want, finally, the crazy crashes bundled can see on DVD.
Antwort von thos-berlin:
If a 4-channel mixer is not enough, however two and take the cascade. Then you can give two atavideo sources mix 500 7 (; EinenKnan yes, you need to connect it to the pre-.
The true 8-channel mixer are priced and technically deutlichaufwändiger. Often, the only Synched mixed signals.
The Panasonic MX70 can be used in de mode FBAS Although 8 sources unsynchrone mix, but unfortunately it is for the choice of channels 5-8 to press two buttons ....
Antwort von WideScreen:
Shit life ... :)
Antwort von Markus_Krippner:
A relatively favorable 8Kanal video mixer (with built in TBC's) is this one:
http://www.ediroleurope.com/product_overview.php?productID=4059138&country=DE
Do not know, obs already exist somewhere in the rental ... der is still relatively new s.Markt.
Schön is the same NEN has VGA input with built .... then you save the VGA-down converter, but if you have this thing with the computer want to do.
If you have nowhere to get würd ichs synonymous thos so as to make it advises: 2 mixer cascade.
markus ... :-)
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
@ Thos-berlin and Markus_Krippner
Thanks for the hints. The EDIROL-Page reports in error but I found a "EDIROL V8" at google. I think this is the Mark of the recommended 8-channel mixer. The sounds due to the VGA inputs more interesting than the Panasonic MX70 and these TBCs.
In this context:
According to information from the Web, you need to synchronize different video signals, so as not to generate as coloring. Based on the 4-cam transmission means but WHAT?
Without Sync do I transfer different colors / color per channel? Or the Picture flickers when changing channels? Jerky something? What actually happens?
Simplified example:
CAM1 shows karts in the first corner - then change to
CAM2: Karts on straight and in Kurve2 - change to
CAM3: Karts on the way to Kurve3 - change to
Cam4, etc.
What will we see when the signals are not synchronously? Returns a CAM2 timeshifting Picture, so are the karts actually 1m next as it transmits the Camera? Or put differently: When the winning kart in the reality of the target line while the LED wall, before that, it shows? I can not make it rhyme. Unfortunately explain the wikipedia articles relating to "TBC" the history and technique of the same. Maybe somebody has one for a live transmission of a relevant example.
Antwort von Eastside:
The standard moreover Resolutionist:
Size: 6.4 x 3,84 m
Resolution: 320x192 real, virtual 640x384
Pixel Pitch: 20mm real, virtual 10mm
Who better wall for the same or less money in the basement, may like to email. As I said: I am in charge of any helpful info appreciated. However, I believe that this report is None ... What is the video wall because for 3 days cost?
Antwort von deti:
What will we see when the signals are not synchronously? Traditionally, cameras by an external genlock signal synchronized. This signal represents the common timing for the image production, so that each camera exactly the same date a new Picture extradite. This allows analog signals are easier to mix, resulting in earlier times was essential.
Since it is possible to half-or full in a so-called Field or frame buffer cache, it is no longer imperative various image sources external to synchronize. These frame buffers are often synonymous as the "Time Base Corrector" aka. TBC, because the readout of the storage tank with a new (proper) time basis and is done while the synchronization pulses of the video re-created.
Now if you look different, non-synchronous video signals into a mixer sends puffernden, you're switching or mixing, depending on the synchronization difference up to a full frame later on. This increases the latency in the worst case to 1/25s, ie 40ms. That should be for your application verschmerzbar his.
For many large-scale events with video wall, however, take a time difference of more than half a second true. This is rarely the mixer's fault, but rather the feeder of the signal to the video walls. They are increasingly being called "IP codec uses the signal as a MPEG2 / H.264 data stream via a conventional network connection. This will, unfortunately, very high latencies.
Deti
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
@ Eastside:
Complete, inkl.Transport, scaffold, On-u. Reduction and rental assistance by about 6000,-EUR
Antwort von Eastside:
The first is a good price for a 25m ² video wall
Kommt drauf s.was course synonymous for a manufacturer it is.
Which rental company rents you want?
Then I can look for what they have objections.
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
@ Deti:
Thank you very much. A quick question:
Emergence of the latencies between the cams, or are basically all the pictures later on? Would eg CAM1 in real time and CAM2 40ms latency compared CAM1 have CAM3 turn 40ms compared CAM2, etc.? Then when you switch would Cam4 of CAM1 to a displacement of 120ms, or 3 frames arise. The 40ms will not interfere when all cameras have this latency. If this but on every screen changes emerge, it would have made stupid.
Antwort von deti:
The mixer used in the rule its own time base and all input signals are a maximum of around 1 frame shifted. This is the largest expected latency s.Output a full offset to the input signal.
Deti
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
@ Eastside:
The organizers rented the wall near the town of Siegen. Victories, the wall for the football World Cup + EM purchased and rented it now. In addition, the transport and building and the scaffold. This will be of a private company that is synonymous to complete. Service takes over. You get the wall without the frame. If a contract between the city and the company. There was a WE-package and at the same time for two projects (July + August) why hire this Course could be negotiated.
While I was at several meetings in the process but have not seen the contract. I am here on the statement of the organizer.
Antwort von Anne Nerven:
@ Deti
Beautiful. Thus one can live.
Thank you.
