I would like to see a camcorder up, the should have the following features:
- Harddrive - Good image stability - Good wideangle - If it: 3 sensors - If possible: DV and HD - And most importantly good Lowlight properties - Should not be too large
I have a look at the video-Active Lowlight pictures of all common Cams views and naja .....
I wanted to pick only one SonySR1, the properties are Lowlight just complains ... in SR1
Lowlight The images of the Panasonic SD1 I s.besten have fallen. Only the Panasonic is synonymous have serious drawbacks: - Problems with the movement representation - To severe noise filter - Only Achdv and no dv
My question:
I'm looking for a good cam, with which I in our disco s.Wochenende small films, which films s.Calculator can edit and to our website can present. The Cam is not necessarily HD can. Important are "only" hard drive, good Lowlight, good stability and wide-angle image.
For answers and suggestions I would be very very grateful
Thank you
Until then
Marc
Antwort von PowerMac:
And we should now take the camcorder you raussuchen of these requirements? Or did you like it to be?
Antwort von Urs:
In principle, yes ... :-)
I am more concerned with good experiences with low-light cams.
Who has good low-light experiences with a particular Cam
or perhaps the Sony SR1 in low-light display is not so bad? Test reports are so often synonymous deceptive packaging, which can not be trusted. Experiences of users are so much more meaningful. Especially here in the forum users who have clue.
Thank you
Marc
Antwort von Axel Segebrecht:
Hello. So lo and HD-lightsource can you ever so much as bend. Noise you will when filming in a disco synonymous always have (called "Gain") and unless you have a big bad light on the Cam ... .
The PD170 of Sonyhat excellent lo-light properties, small and handy, it is synonymous. harddrive würd ich you a Fire doors propose, but you should still start with tape, when a synonymous HDD recording.
A PD170 (used) with a good head light and a 80GB Fire doors are you so about cost approximately EUR 3500 (peemaldaumen).
Antwort von uffnik1:
Thanks for the quick replies.
The PD170 I do not know. Cam seems to be from the professional domain.
What I do not understand is with the hard drive. The PD170 is a mini-DV Cam. That is about the i-Link (Fire Wire) can I get a external hard-drive and connect the DV stream during shooting on the hard drive recording. ? The hard drive on the link with i-power supply of the Cam?
If it works, I find the very cool option, I imagine with the external hard-drive synonymous unwieldy but do?
The Cam's New for 3200 EURO already getting.
Thank you
Marc
Antwort von uffnik1:
Quote:
I'm looking for a good cam, with which I in our disco s.Wochenende small films, which films s.Calculator can edit and to our website can present.
tipp: you purchase in stores with a small cam or eingbautem light realtiv good (as good as it is at "cheap" is). I have years of movies on big events and clubs. That what you have before you have aimed a little over the top in your small village discographic what to film it and then only on the Internet show. hard drive? Hello! We have just angfangen to use ... and after years of film to DV. Those things are quite expensive to get just one to just pick. And if you just s.Wochenende filming with a cam eucht brings the advantages of zero. Do only poorer ...
I think it makes you all a little too easily before and I I want you so reluctant to steal your illusions, but collects first experience with a small cam and then slowly upgrade. Anything else makes you unhappy. Because I rather doubt that anyone from the audience can recognize Disco / wants to see if the 320x240 video to the Internet 250 ¬ or 3000 ¬ Camera acts.
Antwort von uffnik1:
Hello Guest,
Thank you for your statement. Of course, a cheap camera would be better and I see it as synonymous thou, that we have a little experience and need.
But I fear that a cheap Camera cheap synonymous Low-light properties.
And then it can be synonymous. If a weekend presentation looks like shit, makes no sense in a publication.
So I'm synonymous for cheap Cams open this good when lights are low. hard drive, I see as a huge advantage.
As favorable, I see a cam up to 1000 euros. Normal to 1500 and upwards to 3500 Euros
Until then
Marc
Antwort von Markus:
"Marc" wrote:
But I fear that a cheap Camera cheap synonymous Low-light properties.
Why? Have you seen time after what other videographers, the HDD cams use of Purchase keep her after she first experiences with the dubbing (or attempting dubbing) of recordings on the computer have?
Antwort von robbie:
Whether you like it or not synonymous ... if you are in clubs and discos on film, then you should still use a head light!
This has several reasons: You want no noise from the camera have ... You want pampige not a mass film, but some people / groups from the throng to highlight ... You want to have beautiful colors ... You do not want to see the disco lights steals the last nerve.
These few points clearly speak for a head light. Sure, there are arguments against synonymous, but jo ... about the times, people should think ...
And in order to HDD and tape ... you have sooo much stress that you are not even the half hour / hour did the material on the PC?
Schöne Grüße, Robbie
Antwort von uffnik1:
Quote:
if you are in clubs and discos on film, then you should still use a head light!
Please, Please, Please do not the case. The visitors go s.den you neck when you every weekend with one, synonymous only relatively weak, head light on the dance floor jumping. The nerves and zersört the atmosphäre, u
On the other goes to you some of the disco light veloren and people react in a club that is actually quite funny when a light anleuchtet ... As I said, we filmed a long time in clubs and you still really only a Lowlight Camera with good features.
Show you have a look around for a SonyVX2000, which for a club wunderebare Lowlight the properties and get even for 1100 - 1500 ¬ hard drive is certainly convenient, but for the beginning because I would really have to wait. Get better battery still thick and sensible ne pocket. Also consider whether you are not yet a protective (PortaBrace or similar) for the Cam Holst, thou wilt not know what has s.Bier, cola & Co on our sleeve was geschüttet.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello Marc,
if you really überleg HDV & AVCHD with you makes sense.
I filmed for the Internet even with HDV SonyFX 7 often in DV, because the model of a Down converting HDV to DV in the transfer, unlike the FX 1 sister model looks no better. It is simply nonsense for a 10x 10 cm wide window on the Internet in HDV to rotate, the HDV workflow is simply too high to the low HDV ahead with your web site to see.
If it should be HDV, Canon HV 20 tests, with more money SonyFX 7 or Canon XH A 1 It is not a problem after 60 minutes (10 seconds or less) the tape to change the Fire Doors synonymous true system costs money.
Robbie is absolutely right, in any case use a head light and take no model without accessory shoe (HDC SD 1).
I myself could see how many benefits a small light head ala SonyHVL 20 DW 2 with 10 / 20 Watt makes Panther Romy 75 would be very well suited synonymous, then synonymous for more than 1-2 m illumination of the 2nd DW
Because XLR (I only had trouble with TRS and RCA connections) and DVCAM Recording (clearly advantageous for use of multiple cameras at a concert by different time code variants for the cutter) and the best possible light sleep quality for the money I now movies with PD 170, with no XLR DVCAM & you should be the more favorable 2100 VX visibility take.
But what it is worth noting the two are synonymous with badly-lit rooms their limits.
I do not know whether an elevated Amateurcam not only better times, such as DV - Panasonic GS 500 or HDV Canon HV 20, right at the first attempt without the tests and experience to create attractive contribution is almost impossible.
I know not whether synonymous Essential Films Entrepreneurial practice exists, not the amateur mistakes - just out and herzoomen the wide excerpt forever - no visibility for details, no understanding for image (Western, Middle, Total etc).
When disco recordings, you must definitely go to mass and synonymous with the people "play" just the DJ console and the shot of the dancing masses to show at length is boring.
With the FX 7, VX 2100 & PD 170 may be synonymous Neuling you already remarkable afford, because their automatics are strong, there are only s.Anfang Basic settings for a decent picture to make (1 / 50 sec White Balance Tungsten etc ), Canon XH A 1 you should intensively with you and with their tax software "console" employ.
VG Jan
Antwort von Jan:
"Anonymous" wrote:
Quote:
if you are in clubs and discos on film, then you should still use a head light!
Please, Please, Please do not the case. The visitors go s.den you neck when you every weekend with one, synonymous only relatively weak, head light on the dance floor jumping. The nerves and zersört the atmosphäre, u
On the other goes to you some of the disco light veloren and people react in a club that is actually quite funny when a light anleuchtet ... As I said, we filmed a long time in clubs and you still really only a Lowlight Camera with good features.
This is very much s.wie you with the people around, believe me there are not a few women there then you really want to show and you get great pictures if you are good across.
It should be synonymous dampen head light (back-slide, etc) to those not too much annoy & hide.
Yes, I can clear with VX 2100 & PD 170 the gain to 18 DB and set to work without light, but how does the picture then?
VG Jan
Antwort von robbie:
"Jan" wrote:
This is very much s.wie you with the people around, believe me there are not a few women there then you really want to show and you get great pictures if you are good across.
It should be synonymous dampen head light (back-slide, etc) to those not too much annoy & hide.
Yes, I can clear with VX 2100 & PD 170 the gain to 18 DB and set to work without light, but how does the picture then?
True, it always comes to you with s.wie people bypasses. And the light is of course synonymous a bit subdued. I use a long and successful a Anton Bauer Ultralight 2, because I have a 10 or 20W bulb inside. Of course, it happens that people do not want to be filmed. The show then as synonymous with a hand or carried them wegdrehen. Then it is for me an absolute professional honor, these people will not be without head or light to pursue it with the tele-picking. And a discreet Koplicht hurts the disco lights is not. The 1000 is better anyway and just do not stop so static ... And for longer than 10-15 seconds so you will not eh drauf ... I had the head light even with my old camera, the DSR400 in use. DAS is a really strong light Camera!
Schöne Grüße, Robbie
Antwort von uffnik1:
Hello,
first of all thank you for the first statements, now comes right into the thread ride! :-)
to Mark:
already have some threads on hard-Cams read. The biggest problem is the codec. MPEG2 is not so exhilarating be. The problem with the importing into the software should not Problem anymore. ACHDV MPEG4 is for the Internet EHH nonsense. Some people have probably synonymous with problems of data transmission speed (I think rather that it is USB 1 s.Ihrem 3 years old laptop have.
Robbie to: So if you shoot at a disco as a lamp on the Cam , then it is only once the Athmo in the ass. It is almost as you would with flash pictures. Then I see still the problem that the people who are filmed to adjust and the result does not come naturally over. The best would be a cam, which is very small, not conspicuous.
to the hard drive: I see it this way: if every week you have to do something, the idea or a hobby to work and how I know I would have no desire if I only once every week, capturing the film needs. It's much more pleasant, Cam into the USB 4 minutes rüberspielen film and the small cut and export.
guests:
I see exactly the same way. The visitors react funny with you if you have a light on the evening of the Cam versaust. The VX2000, I will look at it. Is it the VX series, no full-Pal Resolutionhat and the Resolutionhochrechnet?
to Jan: HDV, it must not be. Especially for the Internet, it is nonsense. I thought only if man has it can not hurt. For internet only computer in question. What should we torment the calculator when it eh :-) None can see Is the Canon HV20 already? the 10ner be so modest low-light properties. One knows them? How is she?
XLR So I would have liked synonymous. I have a music studio with good microphones. Would not a must. Proper experiences with 'turning a film I did not. I once cut a movie. The result was quite good, because film-cutting and Music Production have many similarities.
When I listen to my feelings, then I should be only an amateur cam growth to gain experience. (So until 1000 - 1500 euros).
The bottom line: Interesting would be the VX2000, 2100, SR1, HV20, GS500 or SD1?
- Is it true that Open Water with a SonyVX2000 was rotated? - Could a man with a SD1 and HMPI input s.PC standard DV capture in the PC?
Thank you
Marc
Antwort von Chezus:
Yes, with the open water true. With the SonyVX2000 and the PD150
So you can see that the cameras garnicht as wrong can be. I have until now never been a head light from an event used (hab die 150er). Top images. Simply Gain at 0, which is Aperture fully on, then nothing can go wrong
Antwort von Valentino:
In the movie Open Water, there is prima facie a few scenes with the camera has been made, but there is always only a few brief scenes were, the rest looks very much like film. But it is becoming the "new" Lynch Film
Antwort von Chezus:
s.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0374102/technical b) The PD 150 is so synonymous with digital camera, of demher he keeps so synonymous right when he says he turns nurnoch digitally and then a PD or VX
Antwort von Axel Segebrecht:
Marc,
Here are a few things (from my experience):
- No matter how big or small the Cam, the people _merken_ it in any case (meistends those who are very much "fun" have :-) - Even with the best "big" Cam, you'll head light not much fun. - Kopflicher like most people really do not. Whether with or Pure Frosting (* shake *). - HDV or Fire doors are for you in any case "overkill" (as I understand you)
Finally, something I heartily recommend you especially do: finger wech of Gain!
If the party is good, the people and the super drauf Atmo light not too dark klapps good. And with the Porta Brace is especially in clubs a priceless insurance!
(Also) My tip: Purchase your ne used PD150 or VX2000 with head light.
Lg, Axel.
Antwort von uffnik1:
HDV and disco recordings, perhaps from the hand-filmed seem to me incompatible .... this is just scrap! gruß cj
Antwort von Axel Segebrecht:
"Anonymous" wrote:
HDV and disco recordings, perhaps from the hand-filmed seem to me incompatible .... this is just scrap! gruß cj
'Christian nabend :-)
Marc has determined s.das Tripod / Monopod thought .. and otherwise there's still "opto-electronic image stabilizers' * g
^ joke
Antwort von Max.3:
hi axel, yes it will be (with the tripod on the dance floor) ... I would perhaps advise on a gs500 because in the head with disco lighting and a pd150/vx2000 is quite striking and not everyone's thing ... Incidentally, one can these cameras so synonymous times borrow. happy easter christian
Antwort von Max.3:
Okay you have me,
would be to refrain from hard drive and on mini-DV transfer. If all of hard drive recommended, which probably has its justification.
A Tripod I imagine in a disco quite difficult before. There is nevertheless a "Spring - mass system, where you attach the Cam and journeys with camera can do?
How are the low-light features of the GS500? The technical data read is very good (to wide).
I think with a GS500, I can only try once and you later by a VX2100 or a 170ger replace.
Thank you very much
Marc Marc
Antwort von Max.3:
I have the GS400 and often make low light shots in Disney parks (Dark Ride) ... Unfortunately, the GS400 is not as low light tingling ... The GS500 is not as stripped down version of the 400 and there will be similar.
buddy of my sony FX1 has ne .. which is really great in low light .. But what more synonymous
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
I had written to the HDV is nonsense, so even with FX 7 in DV rotated.
For real disco lights you see with 0 DB even with a PD 170 almost nothing, even at a party it may go.
Yes GS 500 comes with is not, but for about 800 ¬ definitely a recommendation, I have begun synonymous with her. GS 400 was better equipped (Color Bars & Zebra, etc), but has a worse Lowlightbild.
HV 20, I had the Canon roadshow in hand, in America they are already there, there's very promising Reports - synonymous in this forum already linked.
HV 10 is yes, we say very carefully mixed in light sleep (own experience), the new HV 20 has but as with Canon SLRs microlens for each diode gifts now get what the sleep quality of light, despite the same sensor and signal processor has improved significantly. You can see the CMOS will always be better.
Yes the Panasonic HDC SD 1 has me incredibly excited when Lowlight, extremely low noise, which has been in the class not previously seen. I think anyway, even at the highest data rate no preference whether it be Sony, Panasonic or Canon soon AVCHD MPEG-4 is simply not ready. Once you move the cameras, and even cautious, there are streaks and use a drag. This looks to me for HDV better, no preference which model.
And hard drive SonySR 190 & 290, Panasonic SDR H 250, JVC MG 505 & 575?
Let it rather with hard drive, if your scope remains, depending on the use Etat GS 500, VX 2100 or PD 170 when the new Camera & currently is.
VG Jan
Antwort von fNs:
Hello
yes it is really a shame with the SD1. The low-light properties are really the hammer and unfortunately you can not absorb IR. Let's see SD3 so what, is already in Japan to have.
Will I probably get the GS500. The Low-Lights are not the hammer but I have about me as soon as the hard-Cams are mature, can I get a cheap cam again sell (Less loss).
Thank you again for the many and good suggestions.
Until then
Marc
Antwort von islaender:
Have watched the whole time :-) synonymous ne Cam I'm looking for the ideal would be for disco recordings. After all the hints, I wanted me to watch VX2000 (buy) .. However, I find the Page to None for sale. there are not more? is the successor of the 2100?
Antwort von raymaker:
"Icelandic" wrote:
Have watched the whole time :-) synonymous ne Cam I'm looking for the ideal would be for disco recordings. After all the hints, I wanted me to watch VX2000 (buy) .. However, I find the Page to None for sale. there are not more? is the successor of the 2100?
Then read the thread. This is synonymous for you. 2100 is the successor. But VX2100 material s.zahlende clients sell? Forget it.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"raymaker" wrote:
... VX2100 material s.zahlende clients sell? Forget it ...
So categorically can not tell the truth, because there is already plenty of counter examples exist. Not everyone can or wants a 2 / 3 "-inch broadcast camcorder use, of course, better results, and then - more so for the purpose described - with a VX2100/PD170 synonymous still very well served, as long as he does not HD requires.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von islaender:
I have all day s.lesen (and how it seems to me it is probably synonymous few days to complete) ..
times but simply asked. to 4000 when I would spend ¬. what about Cam because your opinion s.besten suitable for night shots (without additional light) Nightshotmäßig?
Antwort von raymaker:
It would be the VX2100. The real lowlight-EX1 would be the equivalent - but the stomps the VX2100 in all categories in the ground, but unfortunately it cost 6k.
The VX you get for around 1.5K
Antwort von islaender:
and what is with these PM150 and pm170 on the often synonymous is written (see the rest neither amazon nor Idealo. there are other websites where you can buy something s.besten?)
erstmal dei thanks for speedy reply. Respect s.den operator of the Page. echt sehr gut gemacht! :-)
Antwort von robbie:
"Icelandic" wrote:
and what is with these PM150 and pm170 on the often synonymous is written (see the rest neither amazon nor Idealo. there are other websites where you can buy something s.besten?
the devices are profiting. the retailer's profit when, in the normal case has no onlineshop.
little input: if you have a roller or a road roller want to buy, then you go to opel dealers around the corner and ask him where he dinger hidden in the showroom, because you can not find?
Antwort von islaender:
Accordingly, the other devices in the Onlineshop to run are no professional equipment?
Can I as a good friend * Dealers?
(Good advice and good price performance ratio)
Antwort von robbie:
those who are good.
they have even an online shop;)
http://www.mpec-gmbh.de/enter.php
Antwort von islaender:
grazias :-)
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"Icelandic" wrote:
... what is with these PM150 and pm170 ... find ... neither amazon nor Idealo ...
Maybe you'll find something more, if you're looking for the correct name PD150 or PD170 looking ;-) The PD150 is based on the VX2000, incidentally, is no longer available - the current PD170 based on the VX2100. The differences between the two generations, however, are quite marginal.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"Icelandic" wrote:
... if I have to spend would be 4000 ¬. what about Cam ... s.besten suitable for night shots (without additional light) Nightshotmäßig? ...
If you - With "nightshotmäßig" good Lowlightfähigkeiten and do not expect these green-grieselnden embarrassment solutions from Einsteigercamcordern, - HD and can forgo - With a used unit might live, For example, would be synonymous, the JVC GY-DV5000 in question better than the VX2100, full shoulder design and now even with a usable Optics easy for far below 4000 euros to get.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von robbie:
"Bernd E." wrote:
If you - With "nightshotmäßig" good Lowlightfähigkeiten and do not expect these green-grieselnden embarrassment solutions from Einsteigercamcordern, - HD and can forgo - With a used unit might live, For example, would be synonymous, the JVC GY-DV5000 in question better than the VX2100, full shoulder design and now even with a usable Optics easy for far below 4000 euros to get.
they can choose the same old night-vision devices from Bundeswehr stocks to buy and rear stick a webcam on it. this is still cheaper and even brighter ...
sorry, but I understand the tips s.den colleagues simply do not. where to stay because the instructions on head light and co? since when is no longer NIGHTSHOT deuced?
Antwort von Jan:
If the application really only for web video is for, and there is no screen content, then goes 576i PAL.
For many operators, it is too expensive anyway the whole screen with their contributions to be happy (much volume costs halt the provider) and one must note synonymous, which networks the user at home - the clips look like. There are still many 1000 and inferior DSL connection users.
VG Jan
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"robbie" wrote:
... old ... night vision devices behind a webcam ... this is still cheaper and even brighter ...
Maybe, but my typing was done under the assumption that a usable image quality is desired.
