Hi, here on the Slashcamseite recently came back as a report suitable for the MacBook Pro DV editing is, with the Conclusion that it is an excellent choice for mobile video production. I would like to see synonymous laptop DV editing on growth and on
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Quote:
Mac really so much better than PC?
Ko~e answer?
No..
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Long answer?
Can The Different (ver-) calculate the data occur, the Macs are faster. Remember you can only justify the cost of additional expenditure almost never.
Conclusion Pure faith issue or Asus makes good laptops, and if you have can save thousands of euros - no question - Lap of Asus buy.
MfG B. DeKid
It was in your company or in your own home comes just Mac. Note synonymous Windows would run on Mac, but that is hardly relevant.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Yes.
Antwort von abcHD:
Hey, thank you in advance for the answers. Synonymous me I could not imagine that the extra cost would be worthwhile. I simply feel that it is currently quite a Macboom "there. Clearly, the devices are certainly not bad just come to me before this very overpriced.
@ PowerMac: Would you really recommend the Asus instead of a MacBook with slightly inferior components but more than double the price zuzulegen?
mfg Chris
Antwort von Kunterbunt:
"abcHD" wrote:
@ PowerMac: Would you really recommend the Asus instead of a MacBook with slightly inferior components but more than double the price zuzulegen?
mfg Chris
Yes, he would! And with Final Cut and equipped with the knowledge of how Final Cut works, it could even be right. If you are however on a WIN-OS based program editing are calibrated: Forget it. However, I consider synonymous around for quite a while because a Macbook Pro to switch to Final Cut for example, simultaneous with (alternating) use my editor allows accustomed.
Antwort von soahC:
I do not synonymous big MAC fan Absolutely not. But you have to remember that one synonymous with the MacBook Pro, for example, Final Cut dazubekommt. There is the additional price then no longer so great
Antwort von partylogger:
"soahC" wrote:
I do not synonymous big MAC fan Absolutely not. But you have to remember that one synonymous with the MacBook Pro, for example, Final Cut dazubekommt. There is the additional price then no longer so great
This is, unfortunately, not true. Final Cut, no preference whether Pro or Express, you must always be dazugekauft.
I am in March 2007 after a long struggle after 12 years of Windows to Mac transition and do not want to miss again. Very stable and user-friendly operating system. No problems with blue screens, drivers, etc.
In short: I find Macs much better than PCs. This is but s.der coordination between operating system and hardware.
Compared to the hardware platform, type of course "normal" laptops nothing compared to a MacBook or MacBook Pro.
Since Vista operating system but an overloaded with old architectures, many users are frustrated and switch to alternatives such as Mac OS or Linux.
Antwort von Axel:
"party logger" wrote:
I find Macs much better than PCs. This is but s.der coordination between operating system and hardware.
And, in the case of FCStudio, synonymous of the software. Because nothing is stuck.
Antwort von Isekram:
I would rather have a Mac suitable name.
Apple hardware and software is of a piece (house). Therefore, everything fits as it should.
Everything else is clever marketing. Example: iPhone. Or was there ever such a hype because a manufacturer, a new mobile phone brought to the market?
Windows should be on every conceivable hardware configuration to run. From the cheapest box wrenches until Highend cream pieces. A balancing act is not always work.
With good hardware, cleanly installed Windows with good software is a PC just as good as a Mac for video editing.
However, one can exactly of the "specials" of the chest slider or greed is not just stupid shops say.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"party logger" wrote:
... am in March 2007 ... after 12 years of Windows to Mac transition and do not want to miss again. Very stable and user-friendly operating system. No problems with blue screens, drivers ... much better than PCs ...
For me it was July of 2004 after twelve years, also Windows and I have the same experiences. While it is synonymous to the Mac is not perfect, but to a Windows calculator, I would not switch back. Why synonymous? If I ever any Windows program need necessarily be so synonymous's runs on the Mac. And since the software has been mentioned: You should be more decisive for a given operating system than pure hardware comparisons. Who with the FCS package work, you can now only times on a Mac. The other system-related benefits you get will almost incidentally included.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
"Isekram" wrote:
....... Apple hardware and software is of a piece (house). ..........
AHA, which do you think? Had me the new one Hardwear Macs of Appeal will be built.
As already said, "expects" a different Mac, and the many years. Thus, / is to speed advantages, for example. rendering of 3D applications. But is of little relevance in today's world. Whether I am now with my Xeon server addressing a Mac with a PC or played almost no role. Also found in the IT field no MACs, which are designed for multimedia applications to use NOTHING ELSE.
And would not Appelbaum in the years 1996 - 2004 the market in the U.S. led, it would now no longer with the man create MACs. Meanwhile synonymous in the U.S., the train departed and PCs have the market share in the USA.
Appel's products are as pure LifeStyle products on display. So you can safely compare with SonyVaio example, more than this is a Mac that is not worth it.
One can justify the additional expenditure but not in relation to commercial exploitation. But the sector is developing too quickly.
So if you times Alienwear systems compares with a Mac will see it synonymous high-end PC systems that are synonymous with Mac s can measure.
MfG B. DeKid
Antwort von Axel:
"B. DeKid" wrote:
Appel's products are as pure LifeStyle products on display. So you can safely compare with SonyVaio example, more than this is a Mac that is not worth it.
Your outpost, which is quite synonymous with experience of Microsoft t have (which is what we are here mainly) are all a blend aufgesessen and talk for years that the pretty design synonymous would simplify their work?
"B. DeKid" wrote:
So if you times Alienwear systems compares with a Mac will see it synonymous high-end PC systems that are synonymous with Mac s can measure.
Yes, but not at the same price.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
"Axel" wrote:
..... Your outpost, which is quite synonymous with experience of Microsoft t have (which is what we are here mainly) are all a blend aufgesessen and talk for years that the pretty design synonymous would simplify their work? .. ......... Yes, but not at the same price.
Yes you do.
Bzgl. Alienwear - I would persl. for cost reasons not to buy synonymous.
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The time was preferable to the Mac are passe. I know enough from the Pros 3D / Music / advertising scene here is clear and a waiver on a Mac to watch. Whereas by Vista switched to the "normal user" class is on Mac. But the sales figures of Appeal in comparison to PCs fall.
Computerwoche deals with some of these fringe niche (although it is indeed more of a magazine with focus on IT servers, etc. involved). This could be the whole the last 10 years good track.
And what the iPhone as now "new" can my IPAQ was a long time. As I have said it remains a good LifeStyle product. Better work it delivers but not distracting. As it should be synonymous.
MfG B. DeKid
PS Was it here synonymous to a more issue regarding the new purchase and comparative if it brings what, and since you can probably safely say that it is no longer of relevance is to use a MAC. That was 10 years ago of course different.
AND YES MACs ARE COMPARED WITH FASTER PCs - but not better because you have to use Photoshop, Premiere, etc. still itself ;-)
Antwort von Axel:
"B. DeKid" wrote:
AND YES MACs ARE COMPARED WITH FASTER PCs - but not better because you have to use Photoshop, Premiere, etc. still itself ;-)
Since we are on the topic: Microsoft expands its global dominance in the office / administrative sector from next. Apple floats currently in coal without end and is strategically clever to the Graphic Design - the port sector to miss. So we wait, how the landscape once Apple Adobe
Antwort von B.DeKid:
"Axel" wrote:
....... Apple floats currently in coal without end and is strategically clever to the Graphic Design - the port sector to miss. So we wait, how the landscape once Apple Adobe purchased. .......
Yes this may be so, but this money is to increase IPhone and IPod back to lead. Other factors are amongst the entry into the notebook niche. The Apple took a good step.
The story regarding Adobe takeover but can be sniffed critically.
Through applications, the Open Source market and more and more potential to expand, more and more companies to Linux-based solutions back. By this behavior, Apple and Adobe come naturally spot.
One of the reasons why Adobe still has not swallowed it is accordingly, the Apple s.der merger could choke. The required price Apple would have to pay and the subsequent restructuring of the Adobe products would only really make sense.
For Appel, would naturally take over of Adobe is a good concept. The products could be even more / better Apply / marketing. But that is it has been synonymous.
The market is clearly a departure of "real operating systems" which can be quite hot GUT can.
Clear Conclusion should be - open-source products and cost / energy saving work.
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But people it is actually completely no preference whether Mac or PC, whether classical or Linux operating system designer housing, or whether Gray box.
The results that count and the people in third world countries synonymous access to information and get INet.
Ich hab ja synonymous Mac and PC here and actually see the whole as a religious war like Canon vs. Nikon.
You buy what you hold can afford and is then synonymous satisfied (that is, one should try to be ;-)
MfG B. DeKid
Antwort von Bespi:
I get in the autumn of the SAE an Apple gift. I suppose times s.einen, the 1600 euro costs and an 80 GB hard drive has ........
So absolutely perfect for video editing. ;-(
I believe when you pay only for the apple name.
see ipod: the creative zen looks the same and can be made even more than the ipod, but cost only half. and that, though really creative on the market sound a lot more experience ( "Sound Blaster").
edit: some spelling mistakes
Antwort von abcHD:
Okay, I really wanted here is not that big discussion trigger ne ^ ^ Maybe I would have to say that I have the Adobe Master Collection 3 and therefore have potential advantages of Mac software I would not really relevant. I would be synonymous prepared myself to Final Cut Pro should be severely limited it really so much better than Premiere. In the articles and forums about the two are the opinions about the two editing programs, however, always so divided that we can conclude that the decision is really primarily a matter of taste with which they are working and that there exists no clear winner. And I should now decide for Asus and me Vista is slow, I still have XP Professional here, that I can install. So what I take away from the contributions is that I in any case should be careful on his PC operating system and the clever programs to install and with a little "care" he should be similar to running around like a Mac. May well be that the Mac is still slightly better or slightly worse in spite of faster hardware components running, because I of the software, however, little benefit seems to me more than twice the price but under no circumstances be justified. So now I will probably decide for the Asus. I hope some of the synonymous MacUser here can reasonably understand.
mfg Chris
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"Bespi" wrote:
... of the SAE an Apple ... one euro cost in 1600 and an 80 GB hard drive has ... so absolutely perfect for video editing ...
If you the SAE in all seriousness a MacBook Air is, it's not for DV editing is designed, you should have a change of school to think ;-) All the other Macs, either cost a lot less, or make a lot more.
"Bespi" wrote:
... in my opinion, you pay only for apple in the name ...
This view is often one hears of people who have worked with have no Mac. Once you have but you will notice that at least in the field of computers from Apple certainly more behind it than just the name. What iPod or iPhone is concerned, seh, I's, however, largely the same. But who is a technical unit under the "lifestyle" aspect buys is your own fault.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von pailes:
"B. DeKid" wrote:
AHA, which do you think? Had me the new one Hardwear Macs of Appeal will be built.
That is not, the fact is that the hard goods, the construction of Apple is normally synonymous properly of the software (ie drivers) is supported.
"B. DeKid" wrote:
As already said, "expects" a different Mac, and the many years. Thus, / is to speed advantages, for example. rendering of 3D applications.
Sorry that I have to say, but you obviously have no plan at all;) Macs than on PowerPC-based hardware, there would be maybe an argument, but since Macs synonymous in 'ne-Intel CPU's, I do not know what was "different" to be expected.
"B. DeKid" wrote:
But is of little relevance in today's world. Whether I am now with my Xeon server addressing a Mac with a PC or played almost no role. Also found in the IT field no MACs, which are designed for multimedia applications to use NOTHING ELSE.
Well you're a small Scherzkeks times. Did you know that as the Springer-Verlag completely switch to Apple? These are certainly all there ... ignorant And what is it please the "IT field". Personally, I work as a developer and know many colleagues who now swear on OSX. I wonder what in IT circles as you bum, but I can here looking at your best will not confirm. It is rather the other way around. The people buying lots of Mac hardware because they Senkel on Windows and Linux is simply no alternative.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
@ Pailer
Did you know that ...
- Telecom of UNIX to LINUX changes or - HSBC Global is considering switching to the iPhone
or
- That my latte is pretty much on what I create a system where it has installed Photoshop and my Wacom Board recognizes?
MfG B. DeKid
PS Bzgl. The "expected" RAM memory addressing http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Reviews/Mac-OS-10-4-a-k-a-Tiger-in-der-Medienproduktion.html or directly go here and look http://www.barefeats.com/imp02.html
So I am aware of what a MAC can and it has been determined 15 years. ;-)
As I've said the PC and Mac are available here. But would not buy new Mac (not again) because it's out of my eyes is not relevant any more. What others specially the Springer group is me so no preference.
Was just an "ignorant" tip of me. The man comforted the Asus synonymous and therefore can not turn back is.
Antwort von Pillermännchen:
The "PICTURE" to quote, because in order to prove something with, is probably already "a paradox in itself with" how Herbert Knebel to say. You can use that at all based on Darwin's theories of readership rebut.
I own both systems WIN and Mac (PPC and Intel as synonymous) and cut only with the Mac because the FinalCut Express a nice, relatively inexpensive and professional program. Recommended.
Everything else should I do in principle with the PC, since it is hardly sensible for OS Programs (freeware) for general applications. What there is, is it expensive and / or English. The compatibility with other users, mostly Windows users, it was always a problem synonymous. And to forever quoted "intuitive handling", I say nothing more. Since grins I just tired.
If you're really nice with what video do want to buy you a little Intel Mac (the Mini may be synonymous), prepare the memory until it stops to Get FCE and then. Your old box do you use then for the usual stuff.
Both on a calculator you will only performance loss and gray hair.
Jens
Antwort von Jörg:
how beautiful, in such a precarious contribution entirely beside such a statement can be found ...
Quote:
The "PICTURE" to quote, because in order to prove something with, is probably already "a paradox in itself with" how Herbert Knebel to say. You can use that at all based on Darwin's theories of readership rebut.
if Knebel Herbert quoted, I hang smoothly ran NEN Wilfried Schmickler: people stop, stop now but just to hear ....
Antwort von raymaker:
Get a win-NB. The only advantage of Macs is the OSX, but some say that it would be convenient. Mir is no preference whether I get to the settings with 3 or with 5 clicks come. And that is super stable, is a widespread Mär. I had 6 months 9 hours s.Tag work with Macs ...
FC If you want to BUY, and the money then you get yourself a MBP. Otherwise stick to the very good Asus notebook, which I guess would be synonymous.
Antwort von blip:
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Antwort von PowerMac:
Just the fact that "Mac vs. PC" discussions always so aggressive and emotionally lost, but talks that Mac owners a different relationship to their Mac than just PC owners. The emotional bond is that it feels comfortable s.seinem work unit and defends it! I would prefer s.einem device, for that I advocate and that I myself really great. The course of this discussion speaks very clearly for the emotion of the Mac users.
Antwort von Alikali:
I was tormented with Windows 95, 98 draufgeprügelt querulous, NT and 2000, I deliberately ignored, in spite of me XP all care, updates, SP, Firewall and Antivir damned the damned box three times around the ears flown (one day to complete reconstruction, and new HD synonymous yet) and after the last crash I bought a Mac Mini, one of the first. The rödelt now for years as an office-ant diligently to himself, and can easily be ignored completely. No maintenance required. Vista refused I like most, which are dependent on reliability.
The MacMini is still, for the cut with FC (Express), since recently there are a generous sized new MacBook, the synonymous totally maintenance free and easy and the AVID ackert on XP will replace the long-term basis.
I work on both OS, Leopard and FCS 6 and XP SP3 with Adobe Production Premium CS3. On both systems you can sometimes rub the sore finger, s.unmmöglichen, incomprehensible, Bug's little to drive you to insanity, because the programs often only beat stage, before the customer gets. So no preference which progi etc. hauptsache you have plenty of RAM, er sorry, patience.
Jack
Antwort von DWUA:
@ Chris, "abcHD" you speak of a "Macboom". @ B.deKid, du of marketing strategies, how they can not be more different.
If the following post in the OT should land, then yes you can next show: Millions of households have at Aldi (Medion), Lidl, Pros ... supplies. Not only in D; synonymous in EU countries or overseas, eg Aldi Australia. Then there are the famous e-stores or direct marketers such as Dell. Quite apart thousands of online sellers. In all of these stores ever been a "Macboom" gesehen?
What does it from the authorities? Their are quite a few! From A - Z (Employment Tax on until Inch). Where does now because of a triumphant Bill Gates, B.deKid? A unique funding its monopoly position and even have perpetual rebirth in the same run large-scale special education institutions.
Who just time and desire to do so, need only to click:
In this area (the general and vocational schools) one can assume that the numbers are now obsolete still significantly in favor of Microsoft and have changed change. It has been determined and bound, as the following link.
www.hs-nb.de/2263.html
If we in higher education already landed, one wonders, how much politicians value the word is, education is the highest Good and accordingly, to be financed. What is it made with some of the technical equipment Training facilities in the "creative" sector? Since not much is disclosed. Could be so embarrassing, that more details would have a deterrent effect.
The initial question above: Mac really so much better than PC? Which Mac? What a PC? The asker has chosen Asus decided.
Our "Listing" is only a small sample of how you could begin to market strategy (Corporate philosophy?) Of Microsoft even more closely under the microscope to take. And the time is now called "mass class" what Bill Gates never disputed. Of course, there are in the (price) "upper" hardly Quality differences. And no more religious wars!
But it must be synonymous to express regret about that many institutions no longer possible, a "School Change" - as it expresses E. Bernd - action. And this not even if the technical equipment is soon as "scrap" proves.
"... In addition, versions of Windows, in all schools on commonly used as an operating system. In the BBS, the proportion at 85% .... ...Linux / Unix lies with 28% in the second I and II and with 27% of the BBS S.2. Body ... " Insofar as the "newest" old statistics of bmbf.
Which expenses makers would go bankrupt despite constant declarations in matters of "innovations" and their reliability technology venture financially something else anzupeilen than what it at Aldi next to the sausage salad to buy there. The consequences are worse than an initial purchase. Since we could write novels about what course in higher education as "off". If that is so "off" appears, has no idea, what is most publicly played out every day. What "experience" will be made because of S.der your children s.der school or university? Above all: what is learned and retained than knowledge and spread next?
Means that the system provider to know exactly what their money deserve! Should say that there are "Knebelvertäge" exists, s.die itself "Most Reverend" Unimanagement, which is otherwise regarded as "free" are hopelessly bound. Is not to say that it is not yet niches there somewhere, in which small iMacs are. The even longer "funzen" ...
;))
This time, however enough of them
Antwort von strike300xxx:
When it comes to an average laptop goes, I would advise you to the PC.
First Final Cut is not the measure of all things and comparable interface solutions can be found on the PC synonymous.
Also: The Apple hardware for laptops is currently a DISASTER!
Even in recent years it has become the Apple is a huge quality problem. Is hardly a Macbook & Macbook Pro which is probably not even 1-3 times in the repair was.
That gets you as a user of course, usually with when you are so einn device has purchased. Google have a look around a bit, because you can find some: - Bad-lit 6 bit displays - Displays with loose contacts - Muhende fan - Zirbende Logic Boards - Scratchy boxes - Faulty Drives - Lots of broken Batteries
to name just a few problems to be mentioned. . .
Incidentally, I just write here of my Macbook Pro. Mine is 1 year old and has been in the repair 2x. Oh and my battery is already over. just like that.
What are the operating system, Mac OS X is beyond doubt. It is for me the best operating system out there.
Synonymous, I'm a loyal MACianer for many years, but the trouble because I over the years with my MacBook and Powerbooks had stands in stark contrast to my fellow human beings with the PC's work and just happy with their hardware.
Antwort von masterseb:
I think that just quicktime is of great advantage. it nestles in the magnificent workflow and is a great codec. alone, what with the qt player can do: cut, encode, record, Dubbers, just stückeln movies together - from 2 mach 1, control color space, resolution and aspect change in another container and save ... it would help me with my pc really missing windows codecs and does not fit together. eternal heruminstallieren.
anyway: everyone and how he believes what he is comfortable. synonymous is a question of money of course. I have my decision like many others taken against microsoft is now with the final lament.
Antwort von kölnfilmt:
So the target hardware quirks MAY NEED but do not occur! I have been over 10 years of Mac and PC parallel s.laufen! my macbook has in 1.5 years, yet not a single disorder and had run TOP. my old Apple G4 ran perfectly my current MacPro has no mackemans and purrs like a kitten .... So it has with Macs or probably just as many problems with the PC (where I am in my time certainly 25mal new PCs up and had the mac once ....). but the topic yes no mac is like McDo and Burger King, one of the other so-so ...
on average, I use both but mostly the PC, why? I know it is not exactly synonymous, perhaps because I dvschnitt 99 with the PC had started now and the handling at times to me ... it is faster is probably my mac and I note that I'm always more concerned than the macbook media center to "misuse" and thus more and more data on the mac handling.
Antwort von maniero:
It is simply a "religious question", but it is remarkable that many users will find you, of the PC to Mac have changed (including yours truly) and are satisfied, but in the other direction are hardly Newcomers ... That must have to do that Mac users really very satisfied with the reliability and performance are ...
Antwort von Meggs:
"Maniero" wrote:
It is simply a "religious question", but it is remarkable that many users will find you, of the PC to Mac have changed (including yours truly) and are satisfied, but in the other direction are hardly Newcomers ... That must have to do that Mac users really very satisfied with the reliability and performance are ...
The Macs all meet a certain quality standard, the PC's is not. Whether a low-cost PC users switch to Mac or whether it is a PC with more advanced components to buy, has the same effect: He gets a more stable system. I work with PC's main occupation. Not because I think PC's better, but because I develop computer software. XP I have never flown to the ears. In the 90zigern were the Mac's stable. Since Windows is the Windows 2000/XP platform, in my opinion, no worse or more unstable than the Mac platform.
Antwort von Zizi:
Geb ich hald synonymous nor my mustard to .. Because here again and again of Mac Fanboys claiming the OSX is stable and faster .. There are already more Ramfressende the Vista security and the s.Stabilität Leopard is even slightly ahead! The claim Now already 4 of magazines that I read in a test of the OS! Only s.Benutzerfreundlichkeit Mac is still vorraus ... Subject synonymous but the only 80 year old grannies or people who never with what PC had to do because "what you see what you go" system of Mac s.einen very child-friendly computer Vtech adapted! hehe All enrolled or Windows XP users will of course need to long for OSX to find! Achja frequently used programs such as CS3, etc. work with Vista already shcneller how much synonymous with Mac! In any case, the change to Intel Mac synonymous cons ... the stability and crash safety, the Motorola CPUs Powerful Intel no longer offer so Apple Transforms a PC with an additional Betreibsystem housing and nice ... Image is everything else-religion question .. So I am in any event, H & M rather than D & G as synonymous because the P / L agrees .. ists as synonymous with technology! Who wants an Apple is just as fun only halt its much more expensive but that need never tell you that Apple is better just because they have a brand or style verschossen are .. Probably synonymous have seen too many Hollywood movies where so since the last few years only with Apple advertised .. as you see it's effective!
Antwort von Isekram:
When reviewing the various contributions, I have the impression that the people who s.heftigsten Mac fulminate against little or no experience to have.
The other group, the system with both a good knowledge but much more objective and less emotional view.
Antwort von pailes:
"Zizi" wrote:
All enrolled or Windows XP users will of course need to long for OSX to find! Achja frequently used programs such as CS3, etc. work with Vista already shcneller how much synonymous with Mac! In any case, the change to Intel Mac synonymous cons ... the stability and crash safety, the Motorola CPUs Powerful Intel no longer offer so Apple Transforms a PC with an additional Betreibsystem housing and nice ... Image is everything else-religion question .. So I am in any event, H & M rather than D & G as synonymous because the P / L agrees .. ists as synonymous with technology
Even as an IT professional, haha. Because yes, you can only shake his head with my kindness.
"Isekram" wrote:
When reviewing the various contributions, I have the impression that the people who s.heftigsten Mac fulminate against little or no experience to have.
The other group, the system with both a good knowledge but much more objective and less emotional view.
It occurs to me that Mac users can better articulate and the grammar of the German language better control;)
Antwort von maniero:
"Zizi" wrote:
Geb ich hald synonymous nor my mustard to .. Because here again and again of Mac Fanboys claiming the OSX is stable and faster .. There are already more Ramfressende the Vista security and the s.Stabilität Leopard is even slightly ahead! The claim Now already 4 of magazines that I read in a test of the OS! Only s.Benutzerfreundlichkeit Mac is still vorraus ... Subject synonymous but the only 80 year old grannies or people who never with what PC had to do because "what you see what you go" system of Mac s.einen very child-friendly computer Vtech adapted! hehe All enrolled or Windows XP users will of course need to long for OSX to find! Achja frequently used programs such as CS3, etc. work with Vista already shcneller how much synonymous with Mac! In any case, the change to Intel Mac synonymous cons ... the stability and crash safety, the Motorola CPUs Powerful Intel no longer offer so Apple Transforms a PC with an additional Betreibsystem housing and nice ... Image is everything else-religion question .. So I am in any event, H & M rather than D & G as synonymous because the P / L agrees .. ists as synonymous with technology! Who wants an Apple is just as fun only halt its much more expensive but that need never tell you that Apple is better just because they have a brand or style verschossen are .. Probably synonymous have seen too many Hollywood movies where so since the last few years only with Apple advertised .. as you see it's effective!
Such a comment is looking really unqualified his peers .....
Antwort von B.DeKid:
If Mac something geiles wants, then you should take a out a tabletop.
I / We are here in terms of mobile solutions to almost all transition tabletops.
Since then VLC, Winamp 2.80, MS Office, Corel and Adobe CS on it and the thing works. The advantage of Pleasure already synonymous to the Wacom features to access can not be denied.
Here times the speed of a clip Drawn We here after a wet night had made merry in the morning to 4h ;-).
Quite nice. Unfortunately, the people already on his Amiga with Deluxe Paint with 64 colors without any graphics tablet only done with the mouse. This does not require Photoshop.
..... Quite nice. Unfortunately, the people already on his Amiga with Deluxe Paint with 64 colors without any graphics tablet only done with the mouse. This does not require Photoshop.
Examples:
Thank you.
But I thought that was synonymous with coal and a cave wall, p
Amiga was synonymous geil then, I'll give you quite ;-)
And look for MPB gibts ja eg. that the synonymous Bamboo Design würd ja synonymous moderately fit. zum Bild
MfG B. DeKid
Mac could be the whole yes iDraw call and then the price doubled.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Since the apples are gone of Motorola (or since Motorola is no longer competitive with Intel is) is now no longer so much of its earlier charm left. 10 years ago, I have so nem apple as HeimPC nachgesabbert (G3 .. especially the G4) - Unrivaled good - now ...
Bit design (for the SonyPCs looks better), some other concept (with the various AddOns synonymous in the Windows world is to have), few Programs, which could not exist under Windows.
Eventually, NEN Lidl PC or even what zusammengeschustertes (so you do not particularly know) with a properly configured system to compare fit neither the Mac nor the PC world and have garnicht in Comparison of the two really.
Antwort von idolum:
I can only speak of me, but for me there is no way back into the Redmond camp.
I've long considered finally on the Mac platform to another. After an internship in the Macs were set up and more and more PC components abrauchten, I decided, to buy an iMac.
As I did a lot in advance with the Mac and the Mac OS X has had, I noticed the change very easily. And the greatest joy, has once again synonymous Adobe Premiere on the Mac platform fetched. Since I am still a student there is the Student Edition s.and also of course, I have my PC synonymous with the Production Suite worked.
The Mac OS X operating system is just great class. The workflow is simple spitze all Apps are more or less equal to use, the GUI is nice neutral gray held by Time Machine, Expose, Quick Look, etc, pp can work much faster and the stability is synonymous with praise. No Comparison to XP.
I am planning soon synonymous yet to purchase a MacBook, which then for Pleasure for capturing and processing speed will be used.
The price may be a Mac in the first moment, somewhat expensive occur, but there is-as indeed has often written-a perfectly matched system between hardware and software. The foundation of Mac OS X, Windows is simply decades ahead. And with Snow Leopard is still ahead of the next build. Moreover Quicktime X is probably much more efficient.
But ultimately everyone must decide what he should buy now. In any event, I now get a crisis when I sit s.einem Windows PC needs. There is simply no meaningful Biedienfunktionen. And of the haphazard Optics I speak even less.
Have a look these videos s.and go into a shop and let you perform the Macs. Also coming soon new MacBooks (Pro), which are then UpToDate.
Genau so isses Daigoro! What is passing for an Intel Mac otherwise the same as with a PC equipped .. nothing up on the case! Same graphics card, CPU, RAM, power supplies, all the same .. but the motherboard is synonymous of Foxcon only a small difference with the ordinary man with Foxcon MBs can not install OSX! I knew up to and the excessive prices like one major difference compared to a MAC? The only advantages of the Mac I know are: Chic design, well thought out helpful ideas, Windows installable, processing Disadvantages: 30-50% more expensive on the same computing power of competition, unsuitable for games, poor support, compatibility problems with standard software, In Europe, not very common (6%), only 1 year warranty, upgradeable hard;
Antwort von Daigoro:
"Zizi" wrote:
What is passing for an Intel Mac otherwise the same as with a PC equipped ..
The operating system is of course different (but running with some small hacks synonymous to non-Macs: P much to the annoyance of Apple), but if I was of "a stable foundation in comparison to Windows (95?)" And the poor usability of ' default 'XP read, I am glad that it is Apple.
Since then people have their 'out of box' system and my big brother, small soft forces me not to switch to Linux because it is the last "customizing" options for the protection of the DAU completely expanding.
Antwort von idolum:
"Zizi" wrote:
. but the motherboard is synonymous of Foxcon only a small difference with the ordinary man with Foxcon MBs can not install OSX!
Wrong. The hardware design of Apple's. Production is-like all other manufacturers in the Far East.
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I knew up to and the excessive prices like one major difference compared to a MAC?
Mac OS X. The operating system.
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30-50% more expensive on the same computing power of competition,
What competition? Dell, Lenovo? No.. In sum, the nothing. At Dell, the notebooks, for example, cheaper, but the workstations much expensive than a Mac Pro. And with the lowest aka Aldi manufacturers, Apple does not compete.
[code: 1:6 da2c85f28] unsuitable for games [/ code: 1:6 da2c85f28]
That is nonsense. While there are far fewer games for the Mac, but they are there. In addition to natively install Windows.
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poor support, compatibility problems with standard software,
Support? Why is it bad? And what do you mean with compatibility problems with current software? There are for the Mac the same, or alternative software for almost everything. And the Mac is out of house with a lot more files. [/ Quote]
Antwort von Zizi:
1.What I know is s.Foxcon Mac motherboard by a chip in the PC motherboard is missing the OSX makes it possible u install? 2.A good Mac alone because of lack of drivers and hardware resources not Gamen! That it is I do not deny but which gamers will have to buy an Apple? .. 3.Support is very bad .. next to the One-year warranty, there are extremely expensive repair parts prices! In my FH of 20 MacBooks are already 8 Deffekt returns gegeanngen et al. Battery Deffekt, screen stays black, boot problems, overheating etc etc.. because when the warranty expires cost is probably more like a new PC! 4. I am a competitive well-built and configured by the PC vendor or self-construction! 5.Lidl PCs have the same indoor equipment like a Mac only 4 times as cheap and with low-cost housing / software the way ... 6. my motto to the outside Apple hui innen Pfui! is always funny but this is because so many feel as if their mother or girlfriend would .. Is just a bad mark halt the P / L has what many do not understand Fanboys want! Whether they are good or bad but is rather s.den User and its requirements!
As far as I'm still interested in burning. From what formats you talk to on the Mac is not readable, Zizi?
Antwort von Meggs:
Strange that this topic of the adrenaline level of some people increases, and in return as far as tolerance decreases. Both platforms have their pros and cons. For the one makes a PC more sense for the other a Mac. Based on the sales figures we see that for the vast majority of users a PC makes more sense. Therefore, Mac users but not necessarily stupid or elitist, they simply belong to the smaller group of people for whom a Mac obviously makes more sense. There are many journals. For me C't is still the most competent German computer magazine. They have last year
Antwort von der henne:
Zizi savvy the difference simply does not work. With a Lada I come just as well after B of A, such as with an S-Class. Why there's actually people who today is an S-class to buy, if it does Lada but synonymous? The difference is the "how"! I had twelve years earlier, only Windows PCs, now I have two Macs and the very fast (!) Spotlight search warrants the extra cost on a Windows box. From konstistenter GUI drag'n'drop and fully functioning quite silent. Those who do not know, you should just keep the door. Maybe the PC hardware is cheaper and the same in the Mac is installed, but the "total composition" Aldi PC and Windows still stinks even against NEN Mac Mini with Leopard from. Also: The whole "The Macs are overpriced mercilessly" sauce is too often forgotten that synonymous software costs money. Windows XP can be out-of-the-box, yet not even play DVDs. And not just brilliant and useful photo management software like iPhoto synonymous costs money. But Windows users often forget that, because this is the software so often copied by neighbors ...
Antwort von B.DeKid:
"Megger" wrote:
Strange that this topic of the adrenaline level of some people increases, and in return as far as tolerance decreases. ...... Using the sales figures we see that for the vast majority of users a PC makes more sense. ....... For me C't is still the most competent German computer magazine. ........
- Jupp I seh so synonymous
- This is probably because the ordinary consumer is not the money to spend for a Mac / justify / wants.
- If you like the C `t like it then Get a computer times week - CW is more emphasis on IT management and server applications, but I can only recommend.
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@ Ichdrehdurch
Now here with "ichdrehdurch" apply to gasoline into a fire to tip, or its "face" to the true testament of a very high "value" of the opinion.
As should be the "host" application might be reintroduced.
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Incidentally .... the time has now young für nen Asus decided.
MfG B. DeKid
Antwort von Zizi:
How to read to Mac external NTSC disks? I constantly nochn and some people with common problems of data .. be it for videos, programs, etc. or simple USB sticks. EXE goes anyway, etc. etc. ... It is simply the laborious appleanita its own rail and drives Security 0 s.die industry adapts! Mainly it is all original bought .. (See the camcorders Sonybei only shclimmer) Whether it is for hardware or software .. therefore, they are hardly synonymous spread! In no normal Macbook you can find a DVI or VGA connection with all this mini DVI scheiß! Furthermore, only 2 are usually very poorly mounted USB slots available where a 250 ¬ EEPC more aufweißt! And last but not least, I find the operating noise vorallem at "lower" Macs at all clean! Moreover, the Rehcner still extremely hot! Such simple software tools like Speedfan, Messenger, SUPER, IsoBuster, etc. make Mac synonymous always problems and there are some where you garnicht with Windows runs just common! Of course you can find for Mac synonymous for anything but either a solution or erschwehrt hardly Kompatiebel! For me at any rate is a non-PC + ultra synonymous because my whole circle so that works .. just for another Mac. If the coal has to be happy to make first!
Antwort von idolum:
"Zizi" wrote:
How to read to Mac external NTSC disks? I constantly nochn and some people with common problems of data .. be it for videos, programs, etc. or simple USB sticks. EXE goes anyway, etc. etc. ... It is simply the laborious appleanita its own rail and drives Security 0 s.die industry adapts! Mainly it is all original bought .. (See the camcorders Sonybei only shclimmer) Whether it is for hardware or software .. therefore, they are hardly synonymous spread! In no normal Macbook you can find a DVI or VGA connection with all this mini DVI scheiß! Furthermore, only 2 are usually very poorly mounted USB slots available where a 250 ¬ EEPC more aufweißt! And last but not least, I find the operating noise vorallem at "lower" Macs at all clean! Moreover, the Rehcner still extremely hot! Such simple software tools like Speedfan, Messenger, SUPER, IsoBuster, etc. make Mac synonymous always problems and there are some where you garnicht with Windows runs just common! Of course you can find for Mac synonymous for anything but either a solution or erschwehrt hardly Kompatiebel! For me at any rate is a non-PC + ultra synonymous because my whole circle so that works .. just for another Mac. If the coal has to be happy to make first!
I think with this comment has now finally geouted Zizi. Had me synonymous after all these contributions wondered if it would mean. Zizi, have fun with your PC and stay in your limited view. The world outside is just evil anyway.
Antwort von der henne:
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How to read to Mac external NTSC disks?
How about with:
Antwort von idolum:
"the hen" wrote:
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How to read to Mac external NTSC disks?
How about with:
Antwort von Meggs:
"B. DeKid" wrote:
- This is probably because the ordinary consumer is not the money to spend for a Mac / justify / wants.
That is not always a question of money.
Antwort von Zizi:
NTFS .. Sry exactly! Nevertheless, when the program to pay back what PC is usually free .... I no preference, I'm with my Vista PC fully satisfied! Have fewer crashes and hangs like with my MacBook .. G times was much better! Well in any case I buy private no more Mac .. I am at work too stressful and expensive with all the problems around to fight! If the entire Weld PCs from Apple instead of stocks would be no man so upset over it .. it's just the way the PC here has a monopoly and Apple users, which simplifies the whole is not necessarily with their own rail!
The 6000 ¬ PC is a great example ... costs because the software is probably more like the hardware! Build as a part of yourself and you get to by almost half!
Antwort von Meggs:
A computer and a computer specifically for DV editing, does not only consist of the hardware and the operating system, but synonymous from the application software, so the NLE and many tools. Why there were only Adobe CS2 for the PC? Not because a Mac is suitable for worse. The sales opportunities for a Windows program are much higher than the sales opportunities for a Mac program. The programming effort is the same. The porting effort of an existing PC program for Mac OS is enormous. The parallel product care also requires almost double the effort. That is why there are more PC's Choice s.guten tools, and much less effective or freeware programs for the Mac.
Antwort von universl:
The discussion is completely wrong. It is the means of his choice, in other words price / performance ratio and / or preferred software.
I see there is not much difference between Windows / OSX. One like the others. The both are running perfectly, I doubt, because no development would be needed. Both Windows and OSX have Macken synonymous, and both are not too little. But that is in graphical operating systems always so.
I could now synonymous argue that the big tools only with Linux substructure work (Flame, etc.), but who cares? My operating system of choice would be Linux, but nothing helps, since there was nothing I would need.
- Apple has the advantage / disadvantage on selected hardware to run. Apple is synonymous hardware vendor, everything s.Software serves only to hardware for sale. Is not synonymous with bad, is their right, and the addition (software) is really good.
- Runs on any Windows PC Platform, is an advantage which makes it almost everywhere and the disadvantage is that it will hold much more to be considered there. Provides masses s.Software more than OSX.
- Linux is much more stable than the two above-mentioned operating system, but requires considerably more knowledge and DV editing in the (semi) professional area is not really possible.
I take account of times and Solaris UNIX and VMS not.
One must carefully select what content you s.Hardware / performance and software wants / needs. Then there is his decision. Everything else is populism.
Antwort von Meggs:
"Zizi" wrote:
The 6000 ¬ PC is a great example ... costs because the software is probably more like the hardware! Build as a part of yourself and you get to by almost half!
That is now the re-award in itself, think logically drüber after.
Cheaper is already at Selberbau. True cheap but only if you are using cheaper components. And then he will be exactly synonymous worse.
Antwort von Zizi:
what do you mean with cheap / bad component? Whether you now have a graphics card with the same chip from another manufacturer (ASUS, Leadtek, etc.) but is totally buy no preference .. synonymous the cheapest has the same performance as the most expensive! This is synonymous with chipsets and CPUs! Whether you have a 2 Ghz AMD or Intel installed no preference is synonymous .. counts in the end and the performance does not depend on the Manufacturer s.sondern of the core voltage and power etc. I voted for ~ 800 ¬ 3GHz with a Q6000 running an ATI 4870 Dream Mainboard P45, 8GB 1066 Rams and housing as well as a super power which is barely audible .. Mac takes a similar performance far beyond the ¬ 3000 I know what you do not even no increase over clock if you can And now a Mac out of home buying or 3GHz clocked by the OCen to bring the remains totally the same! In any event, save for a home-builders for the same performance as s.Mac well over 50%! unstable and run when you know which states do not!
Antwort von Axel:
"Megger" wrote:
"Zizi" wrote:
The 6000 ¬ PC is a great example ... costs because the software is probably more like the hardware! Build as a part of yourself and you get to by almost half!
That is now the re-award in itself, think logically drüber after.
Cheaper is already at Selberbau. True cheap but only if you are using cheaper components. And then he will be exactly synonymous worse.
Two of my friends are passionate inventors who complete their PCs from individual components assemble themselves, and which is well below that price to stay. My respect to them is virtually limitless. But it will all know what I mean when I write: you do not get much sleep, they can not be discouraged, they find no peace of mind because they do not synonymous search. I endorse the Each to Its Conclusion on.
One of them wurmte carelessness my Mac so that it is OSX on all its computers - apparently flawless - was running, only to then demonstratively not to use. Such people, this world does not deserve because I can only confess my unexperienced and an invitation to dinner afterwards send. Love & Peace.
Antwort von MK:
Well, the hardware or processing on the Mac is not necessarily better (as I think with horror s.das occasionally annoying vibrating casing my MacPro).
Or buy it all synonymous for upgrading the expensive hard disks or memory modules directly from Apple? So consequently we should then already be ...
I use both systems are synonymous, just because I am so on the Mac can do things on your Windows PC does not go the other way and the same.
Ultimately, it is so since the Intel Macs, the software is what really makes a difference, and sometimes synonymous design (which is synonymous here, both from Apple as synonymous in the PC area some crap there).
In this context, I am curious as synonymous times are solutions such as EFI-X will beat you with those modifications without OSX on an Intel PC can install.
Antwort von Isekram:
I must say it again because it is increasingly clear:
When reviewing the various contributions, I have the impression that the people who s.heftigsten and Mac fulminate against trivial little or no experience to have.
The other group, the two systems with well-informed but more objective and less emotional view.
And there is the MacUser you would be accused of apple s.Ihren emotionally tied.
It is probably the serenity you have when you know the right thing to do.
I ask for many more confirmations of this theory. ;-)
Antwort von shodushitanaka:
Mac or PC is definitely always a long, hot debate worth, but in spite of mutual advantages and disadvantages; Both platforms are obviously very, very mature and is important s.Ende but the finished film. But there is always something nicer, faster, more efficient, compatible, ..... Your decadent Duff, O))
Gruss
Antwort von MK:
The question is whether one with the people are so obstinate and by heated discussions regarding the For and cons of one or the other system in such a rage can bring into this industry at all stores to make;)
Antwort von pailes:
"universl" wrote:
- Linux is much more stable than the two above-mentioned operating system ...
Can you prove your assertion? If not, I now claim a lump sum (and I have my experience as synonymous with Linux), that this is not true. A poorly programmed driver pulls the Linux kernel just like the down under Windows and OSX is the case. Why should the Linux kernel inherently more stable than Windows or OSX? Just because it is Open Source? Especially as was Darwin and XNU (OSX substructure of) a long time synonymous Open Source.
"universl" wrote:
I take account of times and Solaris UNIX and VMS not.
Only in this way for more information: UNIX operating system but is not a specification or a standard such as POSIX. OSX Leopard is fully UNIX certified. Linux is (btw.) IMO neither officially nor POSIX UNIX certified.
Antwort von JerryTrumpet:
... It is interesting to observe and partly synonymous funny what goes off, but really for a lot of pros switching to Apple system, I have not found, because I'm long on whether I'll venture this step (the costs are not necessarily irrelevant) ...
Greeting Jerry
Antwort von idolum:
A switch eh makes sense only if a hardware or / and Neueinkauf of software is needed.
Antwort von pailes:
"JerryTrumpet" wrote:
... It is interesting to observe and partly synonymous funny what goes off, but really for a lot of pros switching to Apple system, I have not found, because I'm long on whether I'll venture this step (the costs are not necessarily irrelevant) ...
I would say because you are looking for better times another forum;) Or you just ask people directly whether they interview you look at the benefits of OSX can demonstrate (eg workflow Technically, usability, etc.). There is so much s.OSX what's really technically very advanced stage, where Windows still miles behind, but you can not do in a few words, it must be synonymous times * live * experienced. And these are not just empty words, because what is really truth, synonymous if some people do not want to accept.
The important thing here is: OSX is not Windows and OSX can not operate like Windows. One should be open to new things and people do not cling s.Windows paradigms, you will be synonymous identify where the benefits lie. But synonymous OSX has a lot of problems and it's not stop there.
Antwort von Isekram:
People I have to say you see it all too seriously ...
He is running since 2003! That you can really see how MacUser ticking.
If we are still a bit of effort could be sort of synonymous.
Give you hard. !
Antwort von Daigoro:
"Pailer" wrote:
A poorly programmed driver pulls the Linux kernel just like the down under Windows and OSX is the case.
.. UNIX operating system but is not a specification or a standard such as POSIX. OSX Leopard is fully UNIX certified. Linux is (btw.) IMO neither officially nor POSIX UNIX certified.
Only the files and if I remember correctly - that is already ne Zeuch ago and now I've only documented the course easy to collect bonus points: - Linux has no drivers, but 'demons' (uiuiui) - And of course, Unix is an operating system (have been), as UNICS than opponent (?) And witty puns scientist (ha ha) to Multics at Bell Labs was developed. The remainder came Klump behind. "Windows" is so synonymous seen no operating system (already garnicht * a *), but a brand.
Nix it changes everything, which makes it schnurzpiep no preference is what you buy. Today more than ever (as I said before .. 10 years ... maybe 5th ..)
Antwort von universl:
@ Pailer
The Linux kernel is more stable, I need you and will not show, I know it is easy (after 26 years in all programming languages and systems).
What Unix is concerned, take care of you look around and read the story times to find out what Unix is originally a multi-user operating system. In this sense I mean it is synonymous. And certainly no different.
@ Daigoro
But there are drivers for Linux are included in the kernel. And there's the story with GPL, etc. Because userspace Pailer not know exactly what he is writing.
Antwort von pailes:
"Daigoro" wrote:
Only the files and if I remember correctly - that is already ne Zeuch ago and now I've only documented the course easy to collect bonus points: - Linux has no drivers, but 'demons' (uiuiui) - And of course, Unix is an operating system (have been), as UNICS than opponent (?) And witty puns scientist (ha ha) to Multics at Bell Labs was developed. The remainder came Klump behind. "Windows" is so synonymous seen no operating system (already garnicht * a *), but a brand.
I know what Unix is, but UNIX and Unix are two different terms and who do not believe me it is like to read Wikipedia. And yes Linux has drivers.
Antwort von pailes:
"universl" wrote:
@ Pailer
The Linux kernel is more stable, I need you and will not show, I know it is easy (after 26 years in all programming languages and systems).
What Unix is concerned, take care of you look around and read the story times to find out what Unix is originally a multi-user operating system. In this sense I mean it is synonymous. And certainly no different.
I know the story really more than good. So did the Post writes. And again, I'm talking of the "UNIX" specification (UNIX deliberately written in capital letters, not "Unix"). And I know myself fairly well synonymous with Unix system architectures from btw.
"universl" wrote:
@ Daigoro
But there are drivers for Linux are included in the kernel. And there's the story with GPL, etc. Because userspace Pailer not know exactly what he is writing.
I know very well what I am talking about;) ... Just ask and learn;)
Antwort von Daigoro:
"Pailer" wrote:
I know what Unix is, but UNIX and Unix are two different terms and who do not believe me it is like to read Wikipedia. And yes Linux has drivers.
Strange, even in the Doofpedia says: UNIX [ju: njks] is a multi-user operating system.
"In the literature it is usually used to refer to Unix unix systems .." "normally" again then it means something like: no pig except the author uses the case.
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But there are drivers for Linux are included in the kernel.
True .. D (a) the services were Emon, not the drivers. The course was on Monday morning - as you can of his students but does not expect to be s.der Uni. : P
Antwort von pailes:
"Daigoro" wrote:
"Pailer" wrote:
I know what Unix is, but UNIX and Unix are two different terms and who do not believe me it is like to read Wikipedia. And yes Linux has drivers.
Strange, even in the Doofpedia says: UNIX [ju: njks] is a multi-user operating system.
"In the literature it is usually used to refer to Unix unix systems .." "normally" again then it means something like: no pig except the author uses the case.
http://www.unix.org/what_is_unix.html
In terms of Leopard: http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/unix.html
Antwort von Daigoro:
"Pailer" wrote:
http://www.unix.org/what_is_unix.html
Yes, you may have read. What you mean is called 'The Single UNIX Specification. UNIX is and remains the operating system. 'Since it began to escape from AT & T's Bell Laboratories in the early 1970's, the success of the UNIX operating system has led to many different versions'.
What we are distracted from the issue of smooth, but still dahinplätschern idle.
Antwort von Jörg:
Did not a lot of times the members alleged that the contributions would s.Qualität increase, if only, if only so finally a registration requirement would be introduced?
Antwort von pailes:
"Daigoro" wrote:
Yes, you may have read. What you mean is called 'The Single UNIX Specification. UNIX is and remains the operating system. 'Since it began to escape from AT & T's Bell Laboratories in the early 1970's, the success of the UNIX operating system has led to many different versions'.
Jaja was the earlier times, perhaps so, but nowadays there is not a "UNIX" operating system anymore. There are too many variations from the original Unix developed and therefore are referred to with UNIX (R) today, the specification, because there are many operating systems are those of the corresponding Spec. Oh well. Sei's drum, we can probably discuss endlessly, like the other theme synonymous;)
