New PC - or maybe Mac?

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New PC - or maybe Mac?

Frage von Kochalo:

Oktober 2008

Hi

stand before my new PC zuzulegen NEN. Use Premiere Pro 2.0 and want of times you know what you do, perhaps you can recommend. Complete system of media market? or put together in the inet?
How about 600 euro I .... NEN mac war so I will not, right?

gruss dear and thank you

Antwort von Meggs:

On a Mac running on all cases of PP 2.0 not.

Antwort von Bespi:

hi hope it is allowed, the thread for my question similar to abuse.

I did today at the hp saturn überleg already seen him and me zuzulegen (999 euro)

Intel ® Processor Q9400 Quad Core'2
(2.66 GHz, 6 MB L2 cache, 1333 MHz FSB
NVIDIA ® GeForce "9800 GT graphics card with 1024 MB Video
RAM (DVI / VGA, DVI / HDMI) and PureVideo ® HD technology
8192 MB DDR2
vista home premium 64 bit.
a total of 1 TB HD

http://img.saturn.de/D/SA/PAS/2710SUED/D_SA_PAS_2710SUED_05.pdf

Further specifications here: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/de/de/ho/WF06b/12454-12454-3329738-214846-214846-3794173-3820564.html

My requirements would be demanding HDV cut with premiere cs3 and after effects cs3. I'd lifted my requirements as described.

my old system completely: (in autumn 2007, cost 999 Euro)

AMD Athlon 64 X2 dual core 6000 +
3 GB Ram
NVIDIA Geforce 8500 GT
vista home premium 32 bit
a total of 1 TB HD

because I can ask someone to provide information, whether as a "significant" improvement on preview and render times can be expected? otherwise would be probably not worth it switched.
as far as I know supports the 64 bit version of cs3 yes up to 4 GB of ram.

Also on ebay I have found this: cut http://search.ebay.de/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=video + + pc

are the price in the basic configuration worth?

Of course together, I am not a big fan, so I would only like the opinions on the two systems completely heard.

Thank you. lg.

Antwort von Pete21:

For 600 you get an iMac. Whether, however, for Final Cut (Premiere is not) enough, I do not know.

Antwort von masterseb:

for 600 you get no imac. for 900 you get the smallest I think (at least for apple on campus).

since bootcamp is supplied, it is synonymous windows install on a mac, so goes premiere pro.

by 600 to get is not really a highend system, finished pcs of media market are just not so great. vorallem all with vista ... but it is indeed each individual decision to stay.

Antwort von Daigoro:

"Bespi" wrote:

Further specifications here: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/de/de/ho/WF06b/12454-12454-3329738-214846-214846-3794173-3820564.html

Preconfigured systems are crap, how does that again. Even with the supposed "top" systems will be happy to save where it can. 2x500MB with 5400U/Min hard? As someone has probably deep in the box remains gekramt.
Even in the raid are likely to be slower, louder, and current-feeding is more expensive than a new 1TB Western Digital or Samsung.

And each year new NEN calculator to buy, although there may be industry, but whether it's reasonable?

Upgrade your old calculator simply. Or if not that money plays a role, let him simply upgrade.

If that was a socket AM2 + motherboard, you can NEN new AMD Quad Processor built in 4GB of RAM should be synonymous go - depending on the board synonymous to 8GB - otherwise halt a new mainboard (cost <100 euros).
Total <300 euro (and the old parts can be well on Ebay verchecken - grad of the 6000 + is still popular and should bring his money).

Another advantage: if the motherboard will not be exchanged, you need to reinstall nix synonymous and can immediately continue working as usual.

Antwort von PowerMac:

Mac! There are many advantages. Experimentation is the best way to understand this. Better than a lot of contributions.

Antwort von High_Tension:

"PowerMac" wrote:

Mac! There are many advantages.

... and just as many disadvantages. The discussion whether Mac or PC is like asking whether Christianity or Islam, the religion is better. Since there are no objective better or worse.

Antwort von PowerMac:

This is a bad comparison. What is the better car, a Lada or a BMW?

Antwort von High_Tension:

Take perhaps more BMW and Mercedes, or duck and beetles or Trabant and Wartburg ... or Marlboro and Lucky Strike, or doctors or trousers and blond and brunette, or whatever you want .... both advantages and disadvantages in the same proportion. .. it is my opinion and a decision is purely subjective weighting of the same advantages and disadvantages.

Antwort von PowerMac:

Fang is not with subjectivity to:

http://forum.slashcam.de/bericht-reportage-wie-subjektiv-darf-ein-dokumentarfilm-sein-vt65232.html?highlight=

Antwort von KlausZ:

"High_Tension" wrote:

I know what I'm talking about, if I as an ex-Windows users who do not have a talk now to keep contention: The difference is bigger than many people talk nice to try: Mac is running, stable, intuitive and is clearly more advanced OS - Windows is simply just a joke and should any of the time for reinstallation s.PC to anger and shame, be avoided.
That was just my experience and ask: Do not PC vs. new. MAC Flame.

Antwort von B.DeKid:

OT:

"PowerMac" wrote:

..... What is the better car, a Lada or a BMW?

A Lada!

---------------

I tell you again and again. 12000 ¬ with gas facilities, the customer with filthy mud tires drove to the yard, then in the sense Boss suit with clock and high-tech suitcase with PDA Battery Beamer and the Präso make. Passt yet - I find joyable - oh yes on the way home even more quickly the Orvis unpacked, in the Guideline and clothes rose a few trout gezockt ;-)

...................

MfG
B. DeKid

PS. Oh yes Season is around, well then stop Huchen ;-)

Antwort von Axel:

Says one Mac to another: "When what are you going for Halloween?"
"As a PC."

"Hey, Search," says a Spybot, 'look, what an ugly virus that s.der back door. "
"You will not believe it, Destroy: Because there is a PC."
"Clientele? To set the time? White guy is not that day is tomorrow?"
"He is crying out for candy, like all of them. I think he simulated boot camp. He limping heavily."
"Ham actor, in this Äppeln is really the worm inside."
"Just do not! Comparisons limp."

Antwort von meister hubert:

for professional music applications - mac nervt synonymous and plunges off!

So - the whole s.anfang learned as a sound engineer - always busy ctrl-s after each take up the key.
for composing bringts the advantage that since pretty much purely ram pump can, on the other hand the disadvantage that if you grade quite conventionally with the mouse does not do what far.
Other hand, you need the mouse again not already - there are these extra schnike ProTools keyboards ...

Well as I said, I was irritated by something, but I must say that I am a typical man. I will always have the other grade - I sit at home and type what I want my mac and I am sitting in the studio I want to PC ...

It's best just buy both and juxtapose - lol

Antwort von soahC:

This discussion is unnecessary annoying but anyway, since the TE so he wants to cut premiere. Consequently, he gets so a PC. Done!

I've been here 3 days is my new PC, and has included the 22 "monitor cost less than a MacBook Pro. And is pretty much any Mac s.dem until now I have worked in the shade.

And I have even dared me draufzuhauen Vista, and have absolutely zero problems! Everything is absolutely stable

And the oh-so-great OSX is not the synonymous damned holy grail! May well be that it is safer crash (I've never noticed it. Belongings Mac crash more than Windows), but that is only synonymous to that Apple absolutely NO hardware combinations to observe ...

And then of Support: 2 months ago or so, we have in the company, the new update and lo and behold Requirements: After restarting the Mac does not start anymore! Only a bescheurter blinking folder with a Fragzeichen it (somehow, he has the boot partition can not be found.) I call on the support, the type check our data and tells me that any further conversation with him will cost 43 ¬, since there is only 1 years warranty! (What always synonymous with the guarantee of a faulty update has to do) ... Hello? I thought I do not listen properly! 10000 ¬ for their Scheiss demand through its own update zerschossen and then there are 1 year warranty? Yes thanks!

I do not want to say that Mac is bad in principle, I lehene only s.weil it is totally overpriced (and I hate the design)!
You get 1000 ¬ for a PC really crass performance returns, or just a Mac ...

I have only last week a press release of Apple read. I quote: "We do not know how to get a computer built for 500 ¬, which is not a piece of garbage is ...". Perhaps because the times nachbessern

Antwort von KlausZ:

Strange, that I always meet people in forums, the problems with their Mac. I'm even switching and the clientele is suddenly a different, synonymous the relationship: Was it before 80:20 (80% angry and 20% satisfied) with Windows, it is now in OSX reversed (80% satisfied, 20% angry) - I count myself happy to OSX users and since the switch and have not regretted it. And clearly, there is synonymous OSX, what sh ... configured, which crashes, what brings people to despair. But honestly, I have such a man has not personally know (Win frustierten of users, can I give you a whole list forwared) - the ghost is only in forums rum. It's funny ...
Vista? Oh dear. Our company has the introduction phase is aborted and returned to XP. Quite big movies ...

Antwort von soahC:

Well, that is, on the one hand, it is clear that the Internet only to read of problems, just no preference which operating system. You do not ever write in any forums how great everything is working:)

And it is of course synonymous clear that you are more dissatisfied wesemtlich Win-user know, because it simply Ssteme Win 100x more than Mac. And the second point is as I said that Apple "1 hardware" and "1 OSX" there. Windows has an estimated 1,000,000 with hardware combinations cope.

But as I said, the main reason why it was not for me the question is the price. I want my money just get the best possible (and I speak of performance, not of design). And since Apple can not keep up for me

Antwort von Axel:

"KlausZ" wrote:

And clearly, there is synonymous OSX, what sh ... configured, which crashes, what brings people to despair. But honestly, I have such a man has not personally know (Win frustierten of users, can I give you a whole list forwared)

A hotel that I visit regularly, had an Internet lounge with PCs, which were mostly broken. Therefore I was delighted last year when I check in at the five flame there are new iMacs saw - too early! They were all totally vermurkst. On four of them was Windows installed, and the desktops were loud with comical program shortcut icons übersäht. When trying, with Firefox on the Internet to come, there was only the Mac OSX no insurmountable security prompt (I think it was a password dialog, because the characters were strangely cyrillic). There were all colors are completely inverted, probably some fun-skin. After five minutes appeared the face of a dragon on resentment and blocked the view, at least with a small "close" cross, which of course I pressed: Bonnnng, reboot. Five minutes later came the dragon always. The people just shook their heads about this Apple scrap.

"KlausZ" wrote:

Vista? Oh dear. Our company has the introduction phase is aborted and returned to XP. Quite big movies ...

Because we know what we have. And if you know what you have, you can synonymous to work, many do eventually. Eventually coming - drum roll - Vista Definite Edition. For OSX, there has never been so gallige problems, but, as my example above shows, if Kreti and Pleti go off, they get everything small.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Concerning price: Purchase you take a calculator with good performance.
Then you shall buy this, because my Windows is not so equipped:
- A useful photo editing capabilities with management
- A working (!) Video editing program that is different (not all mind you) format dominates
- A neat tool, with which one ruck-zuck can create appealing websites
- A neat tool, with which one ruck-zuck running (!) DVDs author can
- A powerful music software, on the one volwertiger Audiosequencer and on the other hand, is very fast results by appealing loopbasiertes work supplies, nor do gema-free.
- A tool with which you run (!) CD / DVDs can burn
- You then lay still footling 79 ¬ on it and have a powerful (and much easier to use) office suite with word processing, spreadsheet and presentation software.
So, now if I had not cleared and the Prices for the add additional software, nor to have a system that s.and s.meine valuable working load (or I have to pay for admin), the anger, I now do not with a ... then I come regularly for quite different prices, as people want me weismachen how cheap PCs with wind should be. With the purchase of a Basteldose is not enough, software, maintenance, backup, etc. The costs in running everything Money - and because Windows can not really auftrumpfen and that has nothing to do with spreading! Ask times in a media agency in accordance with 20-30 users, for example, the s.Mac work - how many admins have? I know of a firm as a trainee makes an aside. Then the company, where I've done my training with the roughly equal number s.Usern, but with Windows-based systems: 1 IT Chief, 2 full-time administrator! Ok, the IT leader is synonymous for responsible business applications (accounting, HR etc.). But the admins are PC-Support!
More I must not say ...

Antwort von Daigoro:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Ask times in a media agency in accordance with 20-30 users, for example, the s.Mac work - how many admins have?

* sigh * We have worldwide about 300,000 workstations in use.
If the TCO for Macs would be lower, that would be Macs.

All unnecessary software you aufzaehlung you, there's an excellent freeware (partly due to 'professional' level - synonymous if people still prefer 'proper professional software illegally sucking as freeware to use because s.sich .. people are just silly) synonymous for Windows (and Linux).

And no, that does not mean that Macs are bad. Who's to verrecken not with his Windows box is clear, has an alternative to the lucky and the missing, which he probably does not synonymous.

Antwort von soahC:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Okay, let's at times:)

1. Which photo management with useful editing feature has a standard MacBook?

2. Final Cut is not in his car while Mac

3. OpenOffice. Is not of MS, but it cost nothing

4. For almost every writer is at least Nero essentials here. If at least for the initial range. Nero Full costs are not synonymous the world

5. Is it not to win. Is garage tape with every Mac it?

6. Windows. You need no extra tool:). Otherwise, as I said Nero. Or DeepBurner, which is the same for free

7. OpenOffice

8. For the precious time you need to put the system into firing to hold I can only speak of me! These are approximately 1 hour and 2 hours installing everything up. The whole once ...

9. The fact that a company with 30 users, an IT leader and 2 full time admins has said absolutely nothing! Except that the company probably has too much money. I own IT system electronics technician and learned synonymous in the job worked. It is said not without reason: "If you want to do nothing then Admin. .."

EDIT: I just look on the Apple page.
A MacBook Pro 17 "will cost ¬ 1799.00. And here are the extras:

Upgrade of 2.5 to 2.6 GHz Processor: 230 ¬ (Hello? Jetz should probably absorb any light!)

Final Cut Express: 199 ¬

iWork: 79 ¬

Aperture 2: 199 ¬

Logic Express: 199 ¬

Jetz but slow to hear it? You simply can not deny that Apple is "fairly" the same "(ie, hardware) is almost 3 times as much pay!

Antwort von Axel:

"Daigoro" wrote:

All unnecessary software you aufzaehlung you, there's an excellent freeware (partly due to 'professional' level - synonymous if people still prefer 'proper professional software illegally sucking as freeware to use because s.sich .. people are just silly) synonymous for Windows (and Linux).

This is ridiculous. There is no Windows equivalent to that already integrated, fully functional software package designed intentionally by Apple so far has been slimmed down, that is still professional applications are desired. Sure you can all together eyes, clearly you get it out clearly get it out cheaply.

"Daigoro" wrote:

And no, that does not mean that Macs are bad. Who's to verrecken not with his Windows box is clear, has an alternative to the lucky and the missing, which he probably does not synonymous.

Amen. Windows convinced followers, many of whom I know and the Macs have tested or even used, have a certain mentality that is with a system for its own sake to address (eg wild aufzulesen software, and of course with the lowest test-blank) . If something does not run smoothly, rub this Gyro hands and shoot a good mood going to work. What car hobbyist, the synonymous only contempt for the only driver left.

"soahC" wrote:

8. For the precious time you need to put the system into firing to hold I can only speak of me! These are approximately 1 hour and 2 hours installing everything up. The whole once ...

That sounds like an Apple user. If you think a system set up, and when it's running, leave, then the differences between the systems does not really thread worthy monster.

Antwort von KlausZ:

@ soaC
Google came to iLife, st standard equipment on OSX, ready-to-go, ie, the Mac comes with the most popular programs and I have a lot already with iLife can do with quite interesting results, little time and effort (supplied templates, inuitive processes). For small projects ranging iMovie perfect for classical and popular image management processing extends iPhoto completely, including Aperture? What is FCE? For video editing right there FCS. You can but Aperture does not compare with iPhoto, but iPhoto with .. uh, what was it again with Windows? Paint? ;-)
It is a fallacy (and especially on Windows) that provided software to use is nothing. I have on my Mac just a few freeware tools, my Windows calculator, I had just completely after installation equipped with such tools, that he at all is what to use (and configure it cost again this time - I have to work and not rumzukonfigurieren !)

Antwort von Daigoro:

"Axel" wrote:

Only drivers like my mother? The 2 engines verheizt, because the oil they are not interested in - not synonymous after a total loss.

Amen. : P

Antwort von soahC:

I'm stupid?

http://store.apple.com/de/configure/MB766D/A?mco=MTkzOTQ0Ng

Here are all the extras but for the software. So it is not preinstalled? Or I see this wrong?

Antwort von Schleichmichel:

iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, GarageBand, etc. are already included and can be wonderful to work with.

Final Cut Express, Logic Express, Aperture and iWork are other stories. On the latter, you can safely forgo because Open Office 3 really nice smooth running (finally without X11).

Antwort von KlausZ:

"soahC" wrote:

I'm stupid?

http://store.apple.com/de/configure/MB766D/A?mco=MTkzOTQ0Ng

Here are all the extras but for the software. So it is not preinstalled? Or I see this wrong?

As noted in the above posting, I do not speak of FinalCutExpress, I do not speak of Aperture, I do not speak of Logic, etc.
Windows users need to just deal with the fact the fact that apparently "Bonus Programs" such as iPhoto, iWeb, iMovie, GarageBand, etc. are perfectly legitimate and not like Windows (Calc, Paint, Notepad, Solitaire easy ....) are just an insult.

Antwort von Daigoro:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Windows users need to just deal with the fact the fact that apparently "Bonus Programs" such as iPhoto, iWeb, iMovie, GarageBand, etc. are perfectly legitimate and not like Windows (Calc, Paint, Notepad, Solitaire easy ....) are just an insult.

As you surely know, Microsoft has been repeatedly judicially banned more software with their operating system to bundeln to their dominant position can not exploit.

As was Kartellgerichtlich between "operating system" and "application software" dissected!

If it's after MS had their way, would the home user software with the disk to the edge vollknallen so that corporate customers will be forced to do so as a "quasi standard" should be.

Because Apple does not have a dominant position, you can use their user gaengeln as they want. : P

Antwort von KlausZ:

Rarely read such a nonsense! Since coming to me almost in tears.

Antwort von Schleichmichel:

You need not install iLife.

Antwort von soahC:

So if you have with iMovie and iPhoto, then I can arrive synonymous Movie Maker and Windows Picture and Fax Viewer mention. So true ...
Let us talk now of a professional work environment or not?

Antwort von Daigoro:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Rarely read such a nonsense! Since coming to me almost in tears.

Maybe you should know what times you're talking about before you with such ridiculous comments:

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/jun/30/business/fi-16816

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/175196.html

Antwort von KlausZ:

"soahC" wrote:

So if you have with iMovie and iPhoto, then I can arrive synonymous Movie Maker and Windows Picture and Fax Viewer mention. So true ...
Let us talk now of a professional work environment or not?

We are not talking of a professional working environment (where the thread was that ???), but SUITABLE of tools. Define "useful" result is usable!
Movie Maker? Paint?
Tell me honestly, did you ever with movie maker created a movie this good in Resolutionin exported to various formats, not just YouTube or your website which has them, but possibly synonymous Deine Omi a great DVD to your 80.Geburtstag gets her childhood and movies and photos can be? Ts ..

Antwort von soahC:

Okay, then I probably misunderstood.
I thought this is about professional video editing and the like. But if just the film for Omi goes ... synonymous then you can calmly take the movie maker;)

Antwort von KlausZ:

"Daigoro" wrote:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Rarely read such a nonsense! Since coming to me almost in tears.

Maybe you should know what times you're talking about before you with such ridiculous comments:

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/jun/30/business/fi-16816

I found that with the "User gängeln" nonsensical. The fact that MS always problems with its market position has not escaped me.
Also - as the surreptitious colleague Michel has already said: You need to install iLife NOT! On Windows you can during the installation does not say you want Movie Maker does not have it. So much for Gängeln the user.

Antwort von KlausZ:

"soahC" wrote:

Okay, then I probably misunderstood.
I thought this is about professional video editing and the like. But if just the film for Omi goes ... synonymous then you can calmly take the movie maker;)

And I just doubt that you are so interested in the results nearly as possible with iLife. But I'm positive examples for a very open, so forth with the links!

Antwort von Schleichmichel:

@ Daigoro: That was already clear, but WMP did not 100% from the system, uninstall it because it is in systems - such as Internet Explorer. Therefore, Microsoft has run into trouble.

The iLife package is not part of the system. All QuickTime If you can describe as a system component.

Antwort von Daigoro:

"KlausZ" wrote:

I found that with the "User gängeln" nonsensical. The fact that MS always problems with its market position has not escaped me.

Because by definition, only Microsoft "gaengelt" if any of the plate and vollmuellen Apple customers a valuable service turns "? , p

"KlausZ" wrote:

Also - as the surreptitious colleague Michel has already said: You need to install iLife NOT! On Windows you can during the installation does not say you want Movie Maker does not have it. So much for Gängeln the user.

I now only use images or a personalized installation DVD (for unattended installation and setup complete my work environment complete with all the software I could ever need: P) for the reinstallation, of, therefore I am not 100% sure, but earlier had there was a "custom installation" Knoepple, since one could choose what is installed and what not.
One of the results of this action wave.

Quote:

@ Daigoro: That was already clear, but WMP did not 100% from the system, uninstall it because it is in systems - such as Internet Explorer. Therefore, Microsoft has run into trouble.

Yes and that is a valuable service s.Kunden? Why should we poor, incompatible foreign player, if the manufacturer of the OS, the s.besten yes it can be something mitliefert?

Antwort von KlausZ:

Well ... if your time and desire to have, to draw images, packages, to optimize Calculator - everything is so beautiful. I have no desire, no time and I can not afford to take too much in the maintenance of stuck. The calculator is a tool for me, that kindly to run to me and has more tools in the hand, with which I can get started. For data backup and security is in my Time Machine (which image?).
Is it like when I buy a car, but then subsequently Navi, radio, sport steering wheel, etc. to buy, because in the basic equipment which is not useful or even contained. And above all, always write down the settings s.Motor must, with whom he the best power / fuel consumption value, so I state for the next engine damage may relist. This is ridiculous.

Antwort von soahC:

Yes the sky Lord, I GEBS yes, I have no idea of MovieMaker :)!!!
and now I'll tell you why: For the money what a Mac costs buy my investment (in my eyes) a better PC and still have money for ne Production Suite U.S. left (for Premiere at least) ...

Antwort von KlausZ:

Yes, tu das As described above ... Who can expect is a clear advantage!

Antwort von Daigoro:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Well ... if your time and desire to have, to draw images, packages, to optimize Calculator - everything is so beautiful.

Much better. :)

Because I know how to optimize Sportlenkraeder and oil changes and so well, that I was practically sleeping in the master, pay me now even people get money, which I use other people in the area around Scheucher, 300,000 for our clients optimize s.laufen to hold. : D

(and again: if the TCO for Macs would be lower, because Macs would stand).

Antwort von Axel:

Since we are back to the cars.

We had found that Macs are not for beginners if the purchase price of her seen cheaper, but are useful because they are useful as standard equipment.

Then came the argument that this basic equipment was not professional.

This discussion is repeated, but with professional video editing software is a Mac in any case cheaper. And now I'm curious, what a funny wagon now listed to make it with MacPro and FCS record ...

Antwort von Daigoro:

ZDF uses Avid.

But the amateurs are synonymous, as we of Mrs. Heidenreich know. :)

Antwort von KlausZ:

Sure, Sportlenkräder .. I thought it's me.
TCO: One says yes, SMBs are the engine of the economy ..
http://www.pcwelt.de/index.cfm?pid=829&pk=73344
And that is going to be in the PC world?

Antwort von KlausZ:

"Daigoro" wrote:

ZDF uses Avid.

But the amateurs are synonymous, as we of Mrs. Heidenreich know. :)

I saw at the last studio tour strangely synonymous FCS jobs? Do I have probably misled.

Antwort von soahC:

Since there are probably thousands of combinations of funny, because a MacBook Pro 17 "costs with VAT satte 2500 ¬! (Have I probably prescribed above).

Final Cut Studio (FCS, but did you mean no?) Will cost another ¬ 1300.

So I prefer to buy the CS4 Production Suite, have equal or Photoshop and After Effects (!) And Encore, Soundbooth, Flash ... this and still have the 2500 from ¬ MacBook itself to me a decent laptop (a Macbook by proposes lengths!) together.

For desktop computers is the same if not even more extreme

Antwort von KlausZ:

Ordinary laptop? As there would be?

Antwort von Daigoro:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Sure, Sportlenkräder .. I thought it's me.
TCO: One says yes, SMBs are the engine of the economy ..
http://www.pcwelt.de/index.cfm?pid=829&pk=73344
And that is going to be in the PC world?

The article looks stolen from - that might even be true (gut. .. 2007 is ja schon was synonymous nu-wise). :)

Like tens of billions of times said, the Mac has its strong points - useful restriction * can make a very clear advantage.
But if there is one, you can never say a flat rate.

* (I think the Mac is not before time - if it were a car that would not Oelstandkontrolle needed more than my mother served and if the part 1000, - costs more than a 'normal' car, would it still cheaper than 2 Totalschaeden with a total value of 10.000, - Euro!)

Antwort von soahC:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Ordinary laptop? As there would be?

Only at times as fast as an example:

http://www.alternate.de/html/product/Notebooks_Intel (R) / Asus/G71V-7T043G/290118 /? Tn = HARDWARE & l1 = notebooks

Core2EXTREME Processor
4G 1333er DD3 Ram
NVIDIA GeForce Go 9700M GT
Blu-Ray drive
2x 500G hard drive

Antwort von Meggs:

"Axel" wrote:

We had found that Macs are not for beginners if the purchase price of her seen cheaper, but are useful because they are useful as standard equipment.

There are lots of PC-complete with sound systems equipment.

"Axel" wrote:

This discussion is repeated, but with professional video editing software is a Mac in any case cheaper.

Therefore it is synonymous in the professional / commercial sector in hardware and software more in PC / Windows invested. The people and the companies simply have too much money and do not know what to do with it.

Antwort von KlausZ:

"soahC" wrote:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Ordinary laptop? As there would be?

I had a regular laptop asked. Asus? Hm.

Even if I was not so much think of goods test:
http://www.apfel-24.de/2007/12/apple-laptop-testsieger-bei-stiftung-warentest/

Antwort von soahC:

Achso. Tut mir leid das ich dir Asus with only one of the world's best hardware manufacturers have recommended. Jetz wirds but really ridiculous
Also: = Intel processor (like the Mac)

So really. I can admit that Macs are not bad (hardware and software), but you can not admit that you win with cheaper systems wegkommt

Here is the title of your link:
Apple's good, but expensive

Or did you read it garnicht?

Antwort von Schleichmichel:

"Megger" wrote:

I think in most businesses, the question is not which system is used. You go to a system, and the guy there is a system. The farm buys it and then just as with Windows PCs are.

Often synonymous is the assumption that PC and Mac are incompatible, and you as the customer wants to have great compatibility. That a very Mac-compatible (or can be), is simply not enforced. And if so, then listen to the still too complicated and uncertain, that the most just say "Oh come on, Windows will run anywhere.". But as I said, the question that most do not. [/ Quote]

Antwort von PowerMac:

Check out the new MacBook times in the shop at. The chassis is made of an aluminum block. Light, very stable, a total geiles (multi-touch) touchpad. This is a nice calculator, very easy also synonymous. Comparing it out in the media market or somewhere else on the other hand, a PC laptop.

Antwort von vaio:

PowerMac wrote:
"This is a bad comparison. What is the better car, a Lada or a BMW?"

I just think about whether this is a degree of ignorance in matters of cars, or rather of computers shows. Or should we perhaps say that the comparison is nonsense. Since then I am close to ...

I had a 17 "Vaio laptop decided, because - due to a second (internal) hard drive - just more HDD space available. Especially when you are editing DV with two HDD` s just more flexible. The " External "stöpsle I then simply needs to. Otherwise, equipment and price were the MacBook Pro is absolutely comparable. And it can run stable with Vista and Edius 5 synonymous (in relation to Vista, you do not everything," according to gossip, "without even times used to have). I think we should see the individual. Since there is no better and no worse synonymous. Definitely not lump seen.

Greeting
Michael

Antwort von KlausZ:

"soahC" wrote:

The link I have read. The Mac is still more expensive than it is. Probably he is synonymous with the line a few dollars more expensive, that was my BMW synonymous and I knew it for the added value I have with driving a car, low fuel consumption and emissions, including getting a reliable engine. The pay I am happy! Is Apple the same. Or I buy me 'n 3-pack cotton T-shirts of C & A. Super Cheap, for Money's saved me like I could still buy some underpants. After half a year I can t-shirts as cleaning rags but must use and re-invest. If I had the same Schiesser for a few euros more purchased ...
You now understand the bill? ;-)

Antwort von Axel:

"KlausZ" wrote:

I had a regular laptop asked. Asus? Hm.
[...]
Even if I was not so much think of goods test:
http://www.apfel-24.de/2007/12/apple-laptop-testsieger-bei-stiftung-warentest/

Of course, this is not entirely unsuspected Page, but in any case is about a detail like the life of a battery. And that is synonymous not new: Who are all the details even cares (and is versed in accordance with and to know the hardware), all can have a professional cut entitlements sufficient space on Windows-based build for much less money than an Apple. And who does not, the time he has invested and will invest in future, because it belongs to him. And there are the ghosts, and if not accepted, the thread for a long time with No! But! Go on.

Antwort von Daigoro:

And now we read again the original question in the laptop and nothing of what very well of a 600, - Euro budget stands.
Then we come perhaps synonymous to a meaningful answer. :)

Sold one of the gentlemen's MacBook Pro for 600, - Euro? Then I will take 3! : D

Antwort von soahC:

Naja. I think I'm out. Can I be indeed Wurscht if someone's Money für nen ne apple and white paintwork bouncer wants.

But still, your comparatively lagging again enormous, because your "BMW Fuel Ender" is not your "battery-sapping Mac" ...
And where a MacBook lasts longer than a Sony Or Asus laptop, I do not synonymous.
But no preference, each of which his or

Antwort von KlausZ:

Yes right - everyone's!
I do not have a Macbook, but an iMac, to the extent that I may have to compare with the BMW, there are much more parallel than you think.
Each stop has its priorities. Some will have an organ ... s (by the spam filter will not be accepted!), When they know they have once again saved a few hundred (and are quite big), the other is no preference, the want for a Product halt soundsoviel pay and expect to hold a certain quality synonymous. About conservation value, we have not even discussed (but that is just in the bill). Sale times a 1 year old laptop, no preference whether Acer, Dell, Toshiba, etc. Since you have to stop to calculate synonymous honest and not "I'm going today in the media market and buy rifle XY). There are synonymous morning, tomorrow, next year, etc.

Antwort von Meggs:

"Surreptitious Michel" wrote:

I think in most businesses, the question is not which system is used. You go to a system, and the guy there is a system. The farm buys it and then just as with Windows PCs are.

The days are long gone. In many companies and authorities will be synonymous in great detail by experts were discussed. Increasingly, there are no synonymous Windows PC's more rum, but not synonymous Macs, but rather (high quality) PC's with Linux.

Antwort von soahC:

Well, one has a smart designed Mac, the other renders 3x for the same money as fast ...

Antwort von KlausZ:

Reminder .. Mac OSX is a Unix operating system. I would in any case, a Linux system before an MS prefer synonymous if Linux is not yet s.die user performance of a rankommt OSX. But the gap is smaller. On Windows, it is to me as if to enlarge the gap. With one of the reasons why I got a switch could inspire ..

Antwort von KlausZ:

"soahC" wrote:

Well, I one has a smart designed Mac, the other renders 3x for the same money as fast ...

Träum just next. If you're awake again, google times after rendering tests.

Antwort von PowerMac:

"soahC" wrote:

Well, one has a smart designed Mac, the other renders 3x for the same money as fast ...

Compare an 8-core HP desktop with an 8-Core Mac Pro. Both play in the same speed league. In After Effects, they are similarly fast. What is it with price differences from? Please, tell me!

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

Compare an 8-core HP desktop with an 8-Core Mac Pro. Both play in the same speed league. In After Effects, they are similarly fast. What is it with price differences from? Please, tell me!

As they come back out of the enrolled Fanboy Knights ..
HP is just as shit and for noobs like Mac!
Build your own PCs for a fraction of the money!
Mac is nothing else like a PC!
the difference lies only in the operating system and the Utopian price tags! (Apart from the poor support and the 1 year warranty)
Even HP is too expensive but at least less like a Mac!
But who design the image and wants to come anyway appleanita not around ..
Is that why the same people who buy Bentley or Versace ..
Because you pay just 30% to 60% quality and the name and 10% of the villas Steve Jobs and his manager (Bill Gates Yes synonymous only to determine the quantity billion and its not the high prices)!
.. because I build even better with the calculator itself with hardware for 1 / 4 of the price from Geizahls and Co together!
Sure Mac just to get quick calculator like HP or other PC Screw only, it is a price question how much Apple should pay more in order to get as simple as that!

Antwort von KlausZ:

And what is your 8-core HP value in 2-3 years. Will Windows 7 / 8 or whatever it still run?
In a few years old PowerMac G4 is still a current OSX. So what do you call synonymous investment security.

Antwort von soahC:

Exactly as it is.
NEN assemble DIY brings huge price advantage. And you can coordinate its hardware.

Benchmarks do not think I grad. Gib doch mal NEN Link

Antwort von KlausZ:

Quote:

.. because I build even better with the calculator itself with hardware for 1 / 4 of the price from Geizahls and Co together!

There is no objection to that. Some people like to stop screwing around s.den boxes, others prefer to stop work and earn their money so that

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

There is no objection to that. Some people like to stop screwing around s.den boxes, others prefer to stop work and earn their money so that

Sure .. I prefer to build 30min. than 1 week so I work me the extra charge on an Apple can afford!

It's always amazing how people can use their proprietary verdeitigen!
One would be purchased with the product or you know never to question or objectively remain at such a Fanboy thread!
Good is just that I have a Mac and a PC have Vista ..
Find them both but if I shit on the money spent back me sick thinking of Apple much more!

Antwort von KlausZ:

I have a (company) laptop with Vista, an office computer with XP and an iMac with OSX. I can very well distinguish between white and whose s.durchdachtesten system and is reliable. And believe me, on the office computer do I really only Office and transfers. The Mac must be given for very different excuse ..

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

Dan is but you know a current Vista PC crashes and hangs less than a current Intel Mac! (see C'T Magazine)
Laptops are anyway for children and women .. and maybe a banker.
To correct the work worth nothing!
But a fair comparison: iMac with Vista Fujitso such a scrap!
MacBook can not synonymous with a Vista Quad HighEnd calculator compare!

Antwort von Axel:

It is synonymous words as a mindset. Times go to a video freak s.seinen PC interface and leave the space environment effects on you. It looks like Wall-E's curiosity container, a technical still life. You are expected to smooth that Megatron comes from the kitchen and asks how you want your coffee. Oh, damn, that sounds all so versnobt, but it did not mean it. Can we not all his peaceful world can?

You ask, you probably often And where is the computer?

Antwort von Daigoro:

"Axel" wrote:

And where is the computer?

http://vaio.sony.de/vaio/desktops/de/de/

Antwort von Maik:

I have an older Vaio here, with dual monitor setup (I've upgraded times).
I do so that video (Avid Media Composer), Graphic + Web
and any paperwork, emails + internet. The box is for 5 years
every day at 8 am on most evenings and at 10.
Crashes?
A hand full a year.
Everything is running and the only thing I am annoyed is Avid, Photoshop,
or flash. HDV editing is 2.4Ghz with 2 Gb RAM and liquid is possible.
Believe it not, right? Only the rendering could be faster.
I got the last 15 years s.zig different PCs and in the last
Synonymous s.MACs spent years and increasingly demanding work done.
THE advantage for Macs, I have not yet been recognized.

On the contrary, I actually wanted me finally buy a MacBook and I've
because times around. The simplest is located at ~ 1000 EUR. What I
have wanted, with some larger disk and more RAM and respect: in black (!)
cost equal to 300 EUR more.
I got me a couple hundred for a simple Netbook bought, because I
seriously never will work with laptops, in principle, I need something
only for Internet, Mail and Word ...
But I give no 1300th - EUR.

The argument with the better software for me prefers not synonymous.
I have colleagues here who come with DVD authoring contracts always
to me (to work on MAC). If not I'll have with Bock drauf
Encore or Sonic to work, can I do this with TMPGEnc (! Freeware). The DVDs
then usually in small print runs 50-250 pcs duplicated run
to 99% of all DVD Players. The scrap, the first MAC-burners
DVD-R production, which was usually only for a ton.

There's still something else?
Ahja: the calculator next to me every day to sit for hours, you can hear almost the only, if you
the neck is under the desk (OK, since I had a little bit modified).
In addition to the (approximately equal to old) G4 of a colleague
I was nervous after 30 minutes (the Calculator but now there's no longer synonymous).

For me is synonymous Time updaters.
I think times I wander through a store and see me the 'stand still'
Equipment. The Vaio here I was the 899th time - EUR tasted (all included, as
was even then still in Premiere 6.5, which I with my first
Projects have made).
His money has already earned 10 times.

M.

Antwort von KlausZ:

>> His Money has already earned 10 times.
Strange, the Mac users can however argue synonymous. Maybe I'm holding one of the many burned children in the wake of the Vista introduction last year have made the switch (that Apple has a lively get influent was everywhere to read). And since I enjoy working s.einem great device with relaxed work. Thus, each in his own way, happy.

Antwort von Daigoro:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Maybe I'm holding one of the many burned children in the wake of the Vista introduction last year have made the switch

Self-blame, because I can only say (and this is not evil meant).

The auto maker "were (except for the purchase of MS) unanimously agreed that the change is not worthwhile (and even at present, is a rather ambiguous thing - Service Pack 2 but is determined).

Antwort von meister hubert:

So apart from the price - who really needs something synonymous has no problem with the price - if mac start times would be closing and Minimization ding upper right as winndoof hinzisetzten clever man and 2 or more mouse buttons s.der could use, then there would now synonymous spontaneously for no more reason to work with windows.
or I would buy but not a mac but a pc leopard build and then slam it - done! =)

Antwort von KlausZ:

verkroch and spoke again in his building ..

Antwort von Spielkind:

may be synonymous to a two-button mouse connected. cheers!

Antwort von KlausZ:

ne or 3 with a scroll wheel ;-)

Antwort von Axel:

"meister hubert" wrote:

- If mac start times would be closing and Minimization ding upper right as winndoof hinzisetzten ...

Who uses because the traffic lights? Minimize (= sit in the dock) is apple + m, is closing apple + q. Besides: It's called Window s (plural), but where are the same open window? As thumbnails in the taskbar. Or has the Vista now changed?

"meister hubert" wrote:

... clever man and 2 or more mouse buttons s.der could use, there would now synonymous spontaneously for no more reason to work with windows.

Well, you can accept four use freely programmable. Is probably already a little while ago since the last contact?

"meister hubert" wrote:

or I would buy but not a mac but a pc leopard build and then slam it - done! =)

Can not, of course, but is still made. Even for specialists takes so long that it either as a sporting challenge is seen or from employment on grounds of Mußezeit done. If something is not functioning as required, this is the desired proof, how bad is OSX, and is also one's usual yes, with setbacks to live.

Antwort von Daigoro:

Pah .. Kinderkram .. real men need at least 9 buttons and a 2D scroll wheel!

+ + http://www.hardwareschotte.de/hardware/preise/proid_9749428/preis_MICROSOFT SideWinder X5 + ARB-00004

: D

Antwort von Axel:

What would Captain Zapp Branigan from Futurama say? "Endlich mal ne` mouse with chest hair! " In the background of the title song from Daring men in their flying crates:
"Richt'ge men as we
And the correct term wind
Fidi ja papp ... "

Antwort von meister hubert:

uh this with the mouse, I did not know the times I'm going to try tomorrow:)
Then you could start times synonymous rehearsed midi sachen manual process rather than simply the track record again Weil faster-lol -

Antwort von Meggs:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Maybe I'm holding one of the many burned children in the wake of the Vista introduction last year have made the switch (that Apple has a lively get influent was everywhere to read). And since I enjoy working s.einem great device with relaxed work.

The switch can be synonymous different:
Ordinary concerted PC hardware to buy, install XP, only the Programs and Tools, which you really need, not the calculator with all kinds of demos, games, codecs packs etc. spam. Then running a Windows PC synonymous around permanently.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Good man, if I can clarify one more thing.
I have 2 years prior to their own recording studio operated and knew exactly how I use my calculator had to configure. There was nothing with the Internet, games or whatever. A heavily Intel Core2Duo with Asus board, Matrox card and an RME Fireface audio interface. It worked, of course! But I had at least 1-2x a year just put new calculator, because out of the blue, then XP would not boot, or a blue screen came zerschossen file structures were louder and such jokes. It was just 'normal', it has thus abgefunden and I have always synonymous sacrificed the appropriate time, Meanwhile, however, could not record sessions.
When I last year bought the Mac (originally only as a box office and more for my wife than for me), I was clear after a few hours what I had actually missed. It was simply consistent, intuitive and ran the first minute of s.ohne Zick!
Btw, I have a Mac for a year need not re-up (I know not how to do it!), Nor has he refused the service. My wife is not thrilled, since I myself longer s.der box and they sit with the Office must work plane.
My XP computer, I have studio yet, but my decision is that if the next upgrade is due (probably needs 5.0 Cubase then fat resources) I am a grad MacPro out - then make synonymous the studio again working mood.

Antwort von soahC:

So I know of something nobody would describe as normal! Once thought s.einen hardware defect?

Antwort von Daigoro:

"KlausZ" wrote:

But I had at least 1-2x a year just put new calculator, because out of the blue, then XP would not boot, or a blue screen came zerschossen file structures were louder and such jokes.

Again in slowly. We have 300,000 PCs in use (in words: three hundred thousand - the thousands spartanic delegations, which may stop millions Persian).
You do not think we run around and put the 1-2 times a year on new?
The magic word called standardization and certification - Winbugs synonymous in the world. When you installed the Mac may be the 08/15 PC must make sure you do.

Antwort von PowerMac:

"Zizi" wrote:

Quote:

Compare an 8-core HP desktop with an 8-Core Mac Pro. Both play in the same speed league. In After Effects, they are similarly fast. What is it with price differences from? Please, tell me!

A collection s.Vorurteilen and loose assertions at the level of Oskar Lafontaine. The profit margin is not Apple as high as you accept. In addition, the Manager salaries synonymous not as high as you claim. They are in every other group is much higher.
Self-built calculator is not suitable for production use. For example, some certified Avid and Apple HP calculator and not a self-constructions.

Antwort von Meggs:

"KlausZ" wrote:

I am 15 years of independent software developers, make a secondary video - and audio recordings. I know synonymous, as I treat my PC's needs. The scenario of you described to me was so under Windows95. At my current main PC (XP) is to install 3 years old and he still works very well.

Antwort von KlausZ:

na dann sag ich doch mal luck and all the best for the future!

Antwort von Meggs:

"PowerMac" wrote:

Self-built calculator is not suitable for production use.

It depends very much on the know-how from the builder. The thesis that man with Selbstbau 3 / 4 of the cost savings, however, not true. In my experience, are more expensive individual components rather than finished systems.
You may, for example when an individual Arlt synonymous with PC components to assemble their choice. It saves you nothing, but a good individual work unit with guarantee from the dealer.

Antwort von derpianoman:

Sitting somewhere apple young people with substance PCs in which they stick their needles and curses saying? "Lintels aaahhbb!"
From little clue in the field, I have much, but a good buddy gave me my PC - cheap! - Assembled and s.den last crash I remember no more.
Under XP, never.
A Mac would be cool. I believe it is the same car
somehow "important", right?

LG Klaus aka "POWER PC"

Antwort von KlausZ:

"derpianoman" wrote:

...
A Mac would be cool. I believe it is the same car
somehow "important", right?
...

No, just sensible, right?

Antwort von vaio:

Daigoro wrote:
Quote: ... that the change is not worthwhile (and even at present, is a rather ambiguous thing - Service Pack 2 but is determined).

How big was the last Mac OS X Update of V 10.xxx on V 10.xxxx?
And: The next is determined ...

With Apple, it's like with Bose. Comes from land-Ami, of the shelf hardware, beautifully packaged and made for the mass, which says something "Expensive and valuable" to possess. Processing, however, "so la la" ... (Apple has done in the same price class do not benefit more). But even partially synonymous Innovativ. That you pay for them synonymous.

Everything is good ....

Have a nice and relaxing evening.

Yours sincerely,
Michael

Antwort von Quadruplex:

"vaio" wrote:

With Apple, it's like with Bose.

I like either Apple or the Apple stuff: But this comparison, they have not earned ...

Antwort von soahC:

Ich hab grade mal bischen mac store in the leisure and my Powermac viewed.
What types of smoke is really?

2x Intel Xeon Quad Processor: because I thought wow! For Apple, I would have expected for 10000 ¬!

Then directly below: 8Gb Ram cost 1320 ¬! HELLO? So much has tasted my computer, and is synonymous 8Gb of Ram! And although faster ...

Antwort von derpianoman:

"PowerMac" wrote:

This is a bad comparison. What is the better car, a Lada or a BMW?

Na, sooo bad, the Mac has not. Although just as expensive wie'n Lada, I'm appreciative! ;-)

Antwort von KlausZ:

"soahC" wrote:

The good news is: You need not to buy it! Even if you could afford it. We live so happily in a free society.

Antwort von Zizi:

So isses .. Money for the cost of which is a Macbook, I get
already have a 3GHz quad or new Intel i7
(for the Mac are still garnet)
Editing or gaming Calculator with 4GB 1600Mhz DDR3 Rams wahnsinns and graphics on Vista to run faster than any previous iMac under ¬ 10,000!
And if you look at the absolute cutting machine then builds without a fast graphics and make it a 2nd Xeon CPU!
And saves you ¬ 3000. Unfortunately!
Why Mac for the prices have not yet been reported must konkurs is simply because there are always people out there Markenverschossene for an apple 5x pay just as much so as not to have to have pear!
better or not .. People, it's really ONLY geschmackssache!
The same advantages and disadvantages of both are mutually exclusive and therefore both are equally good or shit .. Apple is holding only 2x more expensive!

Why do people on forums always bought their products
better than they really are mainly!
You can at least some doubts remain ... and Objectively

Antwort von PowerMac:

Again a poorly written and peppered contribution of allegations of "Zizi". Thou shalt not say empty things, but justified.

Antwort von KlausZ:

@ Zizi
there is quite a lot of posturing and hollow s.den-fetched claims, which - so I would be careful, because zuck ruck-man himself has the title Münchhausen missed!
there are actually reasons today for a mac to decide if it is synonymous something more expensive. as I said in my previous threads already tried to explain, do I pay the few toads like more of a (clearly!) more advanced, more stable and (achtung geschmackssache) send the operating system. that the system is stable you may be happy times in numerous comparative tests in web search (google times vs windows xp. osx). it is synonymous fact that I have a mac after years of good monetary return can sell - look at ebay, look on the used market. what do you get it today for your computer, because 2 years before you've bought? tell me! however, achieve G4s or G5s yet stately prices. this is that a mac is a brand gets, which in itself is coherent and the concept like many people. if it's by design goes, I can buy sony synonymous or others. vaio at the problem remains the OS. I need no registry, in which time with the waste accumulates, the computer will slow down for safety violations and restart when I finish my program with the security question will be harassed. These are just a few examples.
sure is much geschmackssache, but if OSX would be sooooo bad, why do you ALWAYS microdoof the features of OSX copy? obvious is not it? fact is synonymous with apple pays one's safe for desgin with (I have no problem with that), for the innovations ('m happy with this front), for the stability (yes), and a bit for the name (I have no problem because of the stands for quality and a good resale value). but who can count, is synonymous to admit - that much more expensive is not. and as I said: a bmw synonymous costs more than a golf - well why? just because it looks chic? just because the golf course, I could assemble? the list of allowed her to continue even now. of golf like the better value for money, but what if you nunmal worth more on comfort, safety, innovation sets? fer pitence gibts not. and who prefer to spend less money, spass s.basteln has and with the compromise of a less sophisticated OS can live - it fits! but it is so easy to make and maintain the mac would be just more expensive is only half true.

Antwort von soahC:

Can I now please someone explain what 8Gb Ram for a price of 1300 ¬ to justify? Approach only way! Only a minimal hint! I think we are talking here of 800 DDR2 RAM.
Can the Mac disciples not even be honest and admit that this is the outrageous price of the world eat? Or do you Apple blocked this super secret alien technology that nobody else synonymous has only rudimentary? It's ridiculous. A Ram of MAC is better than no piece of Ram GEIL or OCZ and how they are all hot ...

Antwort von pailes:

@ KlausZ:
Saving you the trouble Zizi enlighten, because if he was only half as bad reads as he writes, then he does not even rudimentary what you will;)
He compares a Macbook with a desktop PC, I mean, that says it all ... Just sit back and relax and laugh secretly, it is a great comedian type.

@ soahC:
Is it Erbsenzählerei. As often emphasized is the Mac many people worth the extra cost. If this is you is not the case: Fine. Craft your own calculator and was glad that a few hundred thou hast saved. Others enter halt 'nen few hundreds more and screws for s.der neither box nor s.Betriebssystem rum and delighted that her perfect OS with the hardware works and that there are many nice little programs that are so great because they are with love for OS X were written and were not hingeklatscht, just as in most Windows programs.
Btw. MAC stands for Media Access Control ", it is not" Macintosh "but" Macintosh ".

Antwort von schlaflos011:

RAM is where it gets different.
http://webstore.gravis.de/Detail.aspx?path=speicher_medien%2f&pid=339286

The reason why I have 2 years with a MAC Book Pro and an iMac'm happy means:

FINAL CUT STUDIO

Antwort von soahC:

A few hundred dollars?
I will now make it clear again: I personally have nothing against Mac. The OS is super stable with security, the programs are great, blablabla. But 1300 ¬ for 8Gb Ram? I have 2 weeks ¬ 200 bought for my Ram, and is the high-end! This is synonymous QUALITY! With Kühlkörpoern of metal around it. So this price I was so incredibly shocked ... :) They have really anywhere but out of touch with reality. And there is another one to say it's (price-performance and technical) for Win and Mac go over the same ...

@ wakeful: it was not for me. As a Mac owner wants to / can / should not tinker. Otherwise you could yes but again assemble themselves

Antwort von pailes:

I have no idea what Apple for RAM is required. Is synonymous totally bums me because you do not buy RAM from Apple (see the outpost). And as far as I know it all so. Just as almost nobody at that time the stupid 1-button mouse of Apple has used. Do You Mac users are from the moon? They are usually much more critical than their Windows counterparts, but unlike most Windows users know Mac users usually synonymous Windows, not just what it often is the case.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Even!
And what the RAM is concerned, synonymous here's a tip: I have the prices for RAM's subtly ignored me and bars of Kingston memory installed, für'n Appel and an egg. Where is now your problem, please? Apple has the right in his shop, what they want and at what prices they want. Maybe they have their reasons, but the reason is for you, the whole company, philosophy, product line in question?
I voted for a set of cans Holders BMW 160 ¬ paid - at first glance a insolent price for something so trivial. When I look at a colleague in his new Passat my coffee and sat in his drink holder that, I knew why it was more expensive BMW.
But synonymous here: I had the cup holders do not buy! That's why I had not synonymous as the company BMW Abzocke stand. They offer something that I can buy or leave (or when it gets to me is stupid, I can change the car brand, or?)

Antwort von soahC:

Meine Fresse, savvy as someone now please: I am in Mac NOTHING except in the pricing question!
And of course they have the right to the offer, but I do not have the right to be so out of the air-world price noted?
And your comparisons just do not agree! You always compare something expensive and something with high quality and cheap minderwetigem! However, I see something a little expensive and cheap of the same quality

Antwort von Maik:

"Pailer" wrote:

and delighted that her perfect OS with the hardware works and that there are many nice little programs that are so great because they are with love for OS X were written and were not hingeklatscht, just as in most Windows programs, the case is.

Ahja?

I have graphics in the mid-90s on a 486 with CorelDraw4
started, for years worked to V11, as I now
laboriously again with PS and Illustrator CS2 out. So unnecessary and intertwined
Corel spanning as it has since V6 creates brings Adobe's still not
out.
In the video is Final Cut Pro, Adobe Premiere always a nose ahead long been
and many uses for Premiere is not as liquid as FC, but must
I am not in my environment constantly to ensure that the hard
with my projects on it are specially formatted and ask me whether my USB stick again because zerschossenem file
station.
It is sometimes synonymous, that I, as a MAC user just with my
Data in the PC environment to work next.
And one thing is clear: Avid under MAC is just as silly as Avid s.PC.
Then you come into the studio with the great Mac-formatted disk
under his arm and the first day then goes to half, because the disk
was not recognized by courier and the back plate, reformatted
and again herbeschafft be ...

And Umlaute in HTML-mails properly send attachments or properly manage
synonymous can actually synonymous for a MAC not impossible task, or?

So there are two worlds in massive pitfalls. To argue
for MAC is all shiny and Windows doof is mistaken as
those who think sitting behind an apple is always a creative head.

M.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Sometimes Google is synonymous useful ... At that time, 5min gegoogelt and found the product MacDrive: Works fine under WinXP/2000/Vista and can easily (!) HFS-formatted disks to read, write, etc.
Some troubles do not stop to get off, because one must simply take care of themselves drum.

Antwort von Axel:

"soahC" wrote:

You always compare something expensive and something with high quality and cheap minderwetigem! However, I see something a little expensive and cheap of the same quality.

And you have ignored the repeated, you must be on RAM is not Apple related. You have nothing, as I recently read.
To save and Builder:
At what distance you treat a new calculator? Most probably after no more than five years, I cut in two. Two years is a long time, as determined in the hours that one spends in front of the calculator. Mir is already important to my computer to find appealing, optical, and reliable, he is responding, as I expect. Would I become a Sudoku fan or a mathematician, it would me more likely to push Windows.
Another point is that I think the old Macs s.Bekannte again in good conscience sell for a price, of which a PC after two years could only dream of. It is like Audi and Nissan. For me, it is clear that Audi already a higher aesthetic value, both from the design of the ride as synonymous. From a purely practical point of view of safety and of her are both a league. For the Audi, you pay substantially more. And you get much more for a used.
(In fact I drive an old Nissan, but almost only for shopping or for shooting in order of A to B to come, I take the bicycle. For practical reasons, for financial reasons, for fun, and because I must set priorities synonymous) .

Antwort von pailes:

"Maik" wrote:

Adobe software, I speak not, because this software is in essence the hills and cross-platform and does not of the specific OS X core technologies for use. I speak of the Pro Apps, the iLife applications and of many small tools such as OmniGraffle, etc. Textmate

Quote:

In the video is Final Cut Pro, Adobe Premiere always a nose ahead long been
and many uses for Premiere is not as liquid as FC, but must
I am not in my environment constantly to ensure that the hard
with my projects on it are specially formatted and ask me whether my USB stick again because zerschossenem file
station.

Fine, then format your external disk but simply with FAT32 or NTFS, you can both because of OS X from Reading & Writing (NTFS on MacFuse). The times in which one with HFS + was not far but probably should really be over. Knowing how.

Quote:

And one thing is clear: Avid under MAC is just as silly as Avid s.PC.

For Avid, I can not say much, I assume that it is subject to similar restrictions as the stuff of Adobe.

Quote:

Then you come into the studio with the great Mac-formatted disk
under his arm and the first day then goes to half, because the disk
was not recognized by courier and the back plate, reformatted
and again herbeschafft be ...

See above.

Quote:

And Umlaute in HTML-mails properly send attachments or properly manage

Sorry, but what do you have for problems? The I never had. The problem is rather on the Windows page where it is x-different sets of characters or character mappings were / are and can usually OS X is the space to interpret, one must only correctly.

Ask you prefer something on the Windows page for a shilling, is if the Windows Mail program with UTF (-8/16/32) is not clear.

Quote:

So there are two worlds in massive pitfalls. To argue
for MAC is all shiny and Windows doof is mistaken as
those who think sitting behind an apple is always a creative head.

The problems you have are problems that every computer user with any operating system can have. Each of the user is confronted with something, you must first stop is to address it.

Antwort von Maik:

"Pailer" wrote:

Quote:

So there are two worlds in massive pitfalls. To argue
for MAC is all shiny and Windows doof is mistaken as
those who think sitting behind an apple is always a creative head.

The problems you have are problems that every computer user with any operating system can have. Each of the user is confronted with something, you must first stop is to address it.

: D
That said I Sum: synonymous Macs are not as easy as ever completely happy
claims.

M.

Antwort von Maik:

Because of the Filesystemproblematik:

Fat32 is the only properly functioning possibility
For all other NTFS and HFS attempts, at least in my environment
sometimes even what went wrong (I've not yet even had
but already noticed).
With FAT32, however, is at a 2Gb file size of the raw material and final
lies in a 13Gb file ... Since then the problem starts properly.

Then in a studio, is the cutter and not a sysadmin and dare
not holy s.der cutting machine to change anything, let alone
if he had the rights to ... and then it looks fine.
I do not say that it generally does not work, but sometimes is
just the devil in the detail.
Incidentally, there are usually two sides and with just shrug the shoulders,
MAC users just like Windows freak. Time to fight you
but mostly not, because soon a solution must be her.
: D

M.

Antwort von pailes:

"Maik" wrote:

: D
That said I Sum: synonymous Macs are not as easy as ever completely happy
claims.

Yeah, I never claimed. I maintain only:

- (Still?) No. Viren-/Trojanerproblematik
- More intuitive handling (if you times it has appeared, a Windows user with the first steps do not understand)
- Cross-program consistent Feeling
- Improved system architecture (for the layperson, unfortunately, not apparent)
- Thousand small details which make the workflow and usability (eg, Cross-program Spellchecking)
- Relatively few driver problems (due to less hardware)
- Programs often lengths better than Windows counterparts (primarily my subjective feeling)

List can be extended at will.

Antwort von Jake the rake:

Quote:

- Improved system architecture (for the layperson, unfortunately, not apparent)

erklär times! Are all professionals here ...

Antwort von universl:

yes, with a better system architecture synonymous, I would have said.

Antwort von Meggs:

"soahC" wrote:

But 1300 ¬ for 8Gb Ram? I have 2 weeks ¬ 200 bought for my Ram, and is the high-end!

Where hast thou since compatriots? The Apple Store at in MacPro RAM memory 8GByte cost 2130 ¬.

Antwort von pailes:

"Jake The Rake" wrote:

Quote:

- Improved system architecture (for the layperson, unfortunately, not apparent)

erklär times! Are all professionals here ...

Haha, and how. I think this goes far beyond and also a posting in a forum like this would be a waste of time.

It is primarily a question of what Apple aware technologies in OS X has and how of these applications can benefit.
Things such as Quartz, IOKit, Core Audio, Core Video, Core Animation, etc.

I refer to a few very interesting articles / links:
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10-4.ars/1
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/mac-os-x-10-5.ars/15
http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/osx/
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/OSX_Technology_Overview/OSX_Technology_Overview.pdf

For my part, I sit 8 hours ago s.Tag a Windows box and read mainly MSDN article. And I must say, Apple, Microsoft is simply lengths ahead. Microsoft has so much man-power and still only half-baked stuff out, because one can only smile.

Have fun reading.

Antwort von Meggs:

"Pailer" wrote:

Microsoft has so much man-power and still only half-baked stuff out, because one can only smile.

For a user who is considering whether it is a Mac or a PC purchases, reduce the decision not on the operating system. It may be that Mac OSX is better in part - for most XP or Vista is good enough. But it is synonymous to the hardware and there are a huge number of sometimes very good (not made of Microsoft) Programs and tools that are not for the Mac are available. For many office is important - that comes on the Mac synonymous of Microsoft. Windows XP at least, in my view, is much more than bugfreier and ausgegorener Office.

Antwort von pailes:

"Megger" wrote:

For a user who is considering whether it is a Mac or a PC purchases, reduce the decision not on the operating system.

Because you're wrong but, for many OS X is the reason for a Mac itself. Because the OS nunmal the base. Sure, there's pretty synonymous to Windows Programs (uh, I know of one;)).

Nevertheless, in my next list many reasons enumerated above, the system architecture is only one of them. Is it clear to me that the OS alone for many is not a big factor.

Antwort von Meggs:

"Pailer" wrote:

Because you're wrong but, for many OS X is the reason for a Mac itself. Because the OS nunmal the base. Sure, there's pretty synonymous to Windows Programs (uh, I know of one;)).

It may be that the Mac buyers so. I really thought the PC buyer. The buy their computers with the operating system not because they are Microsoft's fans. They come with the operating system functions clearly, that's enough. The synonymous probably know more than 1 good Windows program.

Antwort von MK:

It is a synonymous EFI-X Dongel and a retail version of OSX and buy the whole thing on one (out of EFI-X Manufacturer shared components built) PC.

Since then only missing the spirit of Steve Jobs ;-)

Antwort von Axel:

"MK" wrote:

The analogy of the Desperado hobbyist cemetery on the car is consistent and coherent. The spirits that I cried, somehow match days.

Antwort von MK:

"Axel" wrote:

The analogy of the Desperado hobbyist cemetery on the car is consistent and coherent. The spirits that I cried, somehow match days.

Since you obviously have no experience so, I wonder what you moved to this statement ... Conjecture?

I have both "real" Macs currently synonymous and a EFI-X system as a test platform and the exact same run as stable as our Mac Pro and is funny as yourself hardware (CPU / memory / HDD / Graphics), even a small tick faster than the Mac Pro ...

So why do the same all bad if it still has not even tested itself?

Antwort von Axel:

I apologize, I tried to be a joke.

So what is your Conclusion? Overpriced hardware, but first-class operating system?

Antwort von MK:

"Axel" wrote:

I apologize, I tried to be a joke.

So what is your Conclusion? Overpriced hardware, but first-class operating system? Or wasted effort, was expected back to Vista?

The joke was not as such be seen ;-)

Conclusion The present for us is that it is perfectly feasible the EFI-X Dongel with original OSX on a compatible PC platform only.

No Gefrickel when you install and run just as well and fast (or depending on the application synonymous least faster) than on the Mac.

In the LianLi Rackgehäuse aluminum makes the EFI-X synonymous optical system a good figure and the hum and Rappeln what some of our Mac Pros, unfortunately, every now and again so that is not synonymous.

If a large number of workstations is needed is therefore be a superior alternative. The price savings, depending on the equipment at least up to about 50%.

Antwort von Axel:

It implies but requires considerable technical understanding, or not? There are of no support from Apple and no guarantee. My - in terms of you mentioned MacPros stupid - question about Vista is because I have two people in my friends have, where OSX will run on all computers, apparently without problems. They are hobbyists who have done to themselves and the stupid Apple community to prove that they can. Both still use Windows exclusively. It came to me very, how shall I say?, Bitter, as part of this thread.

Antwort von MK:

If you know how to assemble components of a PC and can be an original OSX DVD, and the EFI-X has Dongel is actually quite simple.

There are people who are synonymous hacked OSX have to see it on a PC to install this is in fact Gefrickel and only works halblebig (eg you can not synonymous of Apple related updates, etc.).

EFI-X takes a different approach, one connects the Dongel with an internal USB header and represents the bios on the computer that of the Dongel booted. This equips the PC to the lack of EFI after (do not use Macs but EFI BIOS).

Then you can just as usual, of the original OSX DVD to install the operating system without the need to observe something. Patents of Apple are synonymous not violated because the software remains completely unmodified and EFI synonymous not an invention of Apple. Only the restriction of the terms of use that use of OSX on a Mac is allowed is still controversial.

You should only s.die list of compatible motherboards and graphics cards on the page of the EFI-X manufacturer set to be on the safe side since they explicitly have been tested for compatibility.

The EFI-X is synonymous with constant firmware updates, expanded so that synonymous constantly supported new hardware added.

On the installed system can of course use all s.Hardware what the original Mac is available.

Support of Apple, there is of course not, but it must be able to live.

We use both OSX as synonymous XP, simply because it is mutually Softare there on the other system is not available.

Antwort von universl:

@ Pailer

listen, if you have 8 hours in the msdn s.tag have read, you should perhaps leave finger of software. I program for 20 years now, every machine, every language, but I prefer your worte better systemarchtiketur times in doubt. which you can claim if you ever even read the source code and understand go.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Hmm .. for the price to have no support or even in strange system behavior to stand alone, on another (cheaper) hardware to put it to me not worth it. Yes, if I would do-and stop times would like to try, perhaps quite appealing. But I work with my box, it must do so to earn money because I can experiment for the benefit of a few toads not afford to save. It may be synonymous, so that everything is running great - now if OSX 10.6. rauskommt, I can update tomorrow - what do you do then with EFI-X? Must be first, a new hack exist. All too unprofessional in my eyes. For crafters may heaven on earth - but I am (thank God) None (more).

Antwort von MK:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Since I can experiment for the benefit of a few toads not afford to save. It may be synonymous, so that everything is running great - now if OSX 10.6. rauskommt, I can update tomorrow - what do you do then with EFI-X?

And just when to appear, perhaps even in the middle of a job on the next version upgrade is not an experiment?

Fortunately, we have enough real Mac Pro workstations at all the options open, because I'm not synonymous rely favorable Render clients on EFI-X base directly upgrade s.nächsten days (why when everything is running anyway).

Antwort von pailes:

@ universl:

Hehe, that with the 8 hours was a joke, but as a developer, I spend enough time trying to read MSDN, I think this will be any Windows developer sooner or later have to do. I do not think that you are under 20 years of any Windows / .NET / MFC / Whatever API know, right?

And yes, I have Windows kernel source code and I've already synonymous-XNU kernel source code. And I've already synonymous Windows 15 years ago with a kernel debugger disassembled. So what?
Apart from that you can synonymous basis of simple application APIs gain some idea of what runs under the hood.

There went my way, not about code quality or other. It's about the architecture with its various layers and what they have to offer. And that's synonymous assess if you are not operating droid. Look at Quartz, the IOKit or the core layer of OS X, then such s.and corresponding equivalents in Windows. It's quite simple.

Antwort von universl:

@ Pailer

na dann mal, I apologize:) I thought you mean smooth it seriously with 8 h * grins *

in the large and I give you all right, but I was restricted to the kernel. was my error. from the view of things with me wärs yes linux, but there's nothing good to cut for. -> except blender, in a really good direction <--

Antwort von pailes:

@ universl

I'll give you right in Linux, unfortunately, does not so much in terms synonymous when it would be desirable. I became synonymous wondered if I was in several open source projects once wants to, but unfortunately I really do not have enough time for something. Even though I am the development of DV editing software would be very irritating. What Linux is still lacking at the moment is * a * Media Framework and not dozens. I hope it will emerge sooner or later.

Antwort von Meggs:

"PowerMac" wrote:

In the C't the new MacBooks introduced. Between 1200 and 2250 ¬, FireWire only when Macbook Pro, no retrofittable lack FireWire PC Card or PC Card Express. Reflecting display monitor and proprietary connector with adapters for price of 29 ¬ or 99 ¬.
Conclusion: Cool design, poor display, poor facilities, high price.

Antwort von pailes:

"Megger" wrote:

Jap, no FireWire. I found this very disappointing synonymous, but Apple is holding a realistic, because, unfortunately, FireWire and Apple makes die sooner rather than later, the cut in the MacBook, because most users Macbook (not pro) probably live without FireWire. Yet pity. I buy me not synonymous, synonymous the rest when I find very attractive. Unfortunately for Apple.

Antwort von MK:

I must say that I am the design of the new Mac Books with aluminum case from a single Alublock very much synonymous and the new trackpad is very comfortable to use.

However, the viewpoint (at least for the small device) quite modest, worse than cheap TFTs with TN panel. Allegedly a feature that a ninth on the side of the screen can look, you can obviously synonymous nice talk ... therefore, unfortunately, nothing for me.

Did someone at the new Macbook Pro, the display can take a look? Differs from the normal new Macbook what the angles are?

Antwort von vaio:

Quadruplex wrote:
"I like either Apple or the Apple stuff: But this comparison, they do not deserve ..."

Oh no?
How about with these "arguments" and turning away and 1,2,3 ...
The target group is very similar - or?

PowerMac wrote:
"Check out the new MacBooks times in the shop at. The chassis is made of an aluminum block. Light, very stable, a total geiles (multi-touch) touchpad. This is a nice calculator, very easy also synonymous. Comparing it out in the media market or somewhere else on the other hand, a PC laptop. "

So I did (before about 15 months), the MacBook Pro is not nice and stable, etc., as the counterpart of SonyVaio (PC laptop).

Pailer wrote:
"Jap, no FireWire. I found this very disappointing synonymous, but Apple is holding realistic because FireWire is unfortunately dying and Apple ... "

do not believe it's here to die, or so (finally act's only one interface, which is still several years will be up to date - whether in the video - or audio editing). It is rather to's tough business, with the margins and so. Since each penny counts ...

Have a nice Sunday for all.

Greeting
Michael

Antwort von meister hubert:

I find the new MacBook really good:
they see in my opinion, good (if my synonymous favorieten still the Black 13.3 "is), seems to be verabeitet (not like the last small MacBooks) and the most important: they bring Dismal synonymous intelligent technology and performance with !
mac may be expensive, but if I am around there is so synonymous much more expensive notebooks in the 13 "range. Only the big why are so expensive I can not explain it. I read this grade on a 17" toshiba laptop that has me tinkering with flaky cost 1800 ¬.
has 4gb of ram, 2.4 GHz, 500GB SSD (yes, I need to, because I normally use for audio stuff, because you do not want in the disk recording) and ne flotte graka I at the airport as far down can screw that no more of that muck there, or the fan.
MacBook pro on the other hand, does not look so good I find. well whatever, I must say, I'm still for 6 months in Scotland and consumption as the correct workstation. then again when I'm at home here is sold and purchased a macbook, so I already own decent time data exchange between the MacPro at work, the MacPro and my laptop at home can make. this is not so good with VISTE - leopard.
until then there are probably new MacBook again eh xD yes mac brings all year hakbes something new: P I'm just still disappointed that I voted for the update of my iPod touch to pay: (vllt irgendwann wirds ja vain if I wait long enough: P

otherwise, I must again recommend who work on the Mac has not drumrum synonymous to have something at home when he synonymous home s.seinen projects to tinker with.

Antwort von PowerMac:

"vaio" wrote:

(...) So I did (before about 15 months), the MacBook Pro is not nice and stable, etc., as the counterpart of SonyVaio (PC laptop). (...)

You have before you 15 months to think something up? Toll.

Antwort von High_Tension:

I've got somewhere else in the forum reads, that the comments of Powermac directly (or similar) are, but one by his depth of knowledge will benefit from (so's at least in spirit).

I'm sorry, but all of your comments here in this thread seem to me like a child who is angry because another child whose favorite toy is poorly made.
I would be ever interested in what you actually s.einem Mac vergötterst. It seems you still here with empty rumwerfen to leave comments that do not correspond to what I have quoted above freely.

Btw is confirmed in this thread again what is already on Page 1 has been said: in the absence of a monopoly position characteristic of one or the other system, there is no objective or for the opponent. There is a purely subjective preferences, no more and no less. And that's OK as synonymous.

Antwort von PowerMac:

I'm synonymous only nine years old. I like my Mac. My dad is great as you.

Antwort von vaio:

PowerMac wrote:
"You have before you 15 months to think something up? Toll."

Well, ... I do not know how often you buy a new Mac. I have seriously weighed and then me busy. Ultimately, I have, for the mentioned reasons (see Vorpostings), for a PC laptop (Vaio) decided. Incidentally, the current 17 "MacBook Pro is still basically this ...

But, as already written, I believe that you're not a lump sum can say what is better and worse. Depends on the needs and of course the idea of each individual to individual.

I want something not here "to talk", but not synonymous "aufgeschwatzt get.

Greeting
Michael

Greeting
Michael

Antwort von High_Tension:

"PowerMac" wrote:

I'm synonymous only nine years old. I like my Mac. My dad is great as you.

But my mom is hotter than your Ääätsch * *

Antwort von Flashlight:

Concerning EFI-X is now an article in the mirror. If I read so I can not resist to say that such solutions compatibility problems are downright inevitable? All in honor of austerity measures, but the Ferrari kit was a flop synonymous ;-)

Antwort von Zizi:

geiler article .. but that by 1 / 3 cheaper system is exaggerated .. 430 ¬ a housing? for 100 ¬ gibts synonymous very good and then the PC is about 1 / 6 as a cheaper comparatively faster Mac!
Haha .. well now everyone can have legal and easy to install OSX for a fraction price of a Mac ..
As I see black for a future Mac with such a price!

Antwort von KlausZ:

Oh dear, oh dear .. what are the back for comments. Apple's pricing policy, 1 / 6 cheaper and louder as nonsense.
It keeps you from nobody, Bastel preferieren solutions. But with Apple's pears to compare but I think is very bold.
What did you do when you get me out of one tenth of the price you like such a plane stand? True - a Bastel computer. No Apple, no original. So you'll have your fun, if you times a different graphics card will fit, or even an upgrade to such a version number. From talking about resale, I now do not.
I wonder who the clientele for such solutions? Someone who likes Apple would have it but can not afford or wants? Strange, because we would rather remain in Windows, right?

Quote:

As I see black for a future Mac with such a price!

Even before 10 or 15 years, the Apple opponents black and seen the predicted early end. The last few years, Apple has s.Marktanteilen increased. Dead are living longer and quality is always stop by - for price foxes are still Lidl, Aldi and Co. Each of its style!

Antwort von MK:

"KlausZ" wrote:

So you'll have your fun, if you times a different graphics card will fit

No concern, on an EFI-X system is running everything synonymous on the original Mac, it can of course be that the housing does not vibrate as much as some original Mac Pro that we just have in the company ;-)

Antwort von KlausZ:

It reads in the article, but otherwise ....

Quote:

In addition, and it has urged that the Manufacturer: The module does not work with all motherboards. It is necessary for each Platinentyp be adjusted, which is why it is initially on the company Gigabyte Motherboards specialized. With the PC main boards of other manufacturer can EFI-X work - but it must not. A test run of SPIEGEL ONLINE with a non-officially-supported motherboard failed.

etc.
And when do you want to know me, I hit grad time a graphics card of my choice so pure and it is running? Well ...
The whole reminds me somehow s.den types with the Polo, the Mercedes dealer calls for star on the radiator mount, etc.

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

Price for foxes, there is still Lidl, Aldi and Co.

But with Apple's pears to compare but I think is very bold ...
There are other PCs as synonymous Lidl believe me!
Just some issues .. Lidl is the lowest layer of a PC!
And there is really very very nice housing to buy ..
From brushed aluminum ZBS. very small super-cooling and then such an EFI-X is pure and the Apple has a faster, quieter, cheaper, better run like a plastic Mac! For the ignorant: there is something synonymous Dealers for the ¬ 50 together with more than 1 year warranty ;-)!
The whole reminds me somehow s.den types with the Polo, a polo normal for money to buy a Mercedes!
Markenverschossene nostalgic, there are ignorant ..
not to summarize what brands are not everything in the minds of the people may then cause really the Money window s.Polo bouncer around a star thing to have!

Antwort von MK:

We operate the test system synonymous with a non-certified graphics ... what else should I write except that it works smoothly and even faster than on the Mac Pro with the same performance data?

We can now discuss much, but without it tried to have himself makes no sense, I think the board as Frickellösung dismiss.

Antwort von Axel:

As was always synonymous, finally, we are talking here of the fact that it is worth some effort, to be able to use OSX. On the intrinsic value that counts. Zizi, you have your heart s.rechten Spot! Brushed aluminum, which is strong. I recommend Finol Care ® to the surface, which I suppose synonymous for my refrigerator.

Antwort von MK:

Who knows, maybe there are times, sooner or later, Mac OS quite normal for standard PCs to buy ;-)

Antwort von PowerMac:

"Axel" wrote:

(...) Zizi, you have your heart s.rechten Spot! Brushed aluminum, which is strong. I recommend Finol Care ® to the surface, which I suppose synonymous for my refrigerator.

I shoot 'me away!

Antwort von DWUA:

Zizileinchen,
now time to pass:
There are people who have dealt with things that
now seem to be interested, already at times
more than you were in liquid form.
If your disposable to help!
There are many different boxes.
Some front and rear with a handle.
Are the most disposable Henkel?
Or you need more information?

Antwort von KrischanDO:

Moin,

after using of Atari, Mac OS of 6 to 9.1, Linux, Windows NT 4 to of XP Pro and Vista 64 business in about 18 years, I find Mac OS s.schönsten.

I have in years of intensive use and care of synonymous Win PCs for customers no benefits of a system can determine what stability and security - if a few basic rules.

As a few weeks ago to buy a computer interface decency, I had great desire to break after 6 years back to buy a Mac.
On average calculator should be: 160 GB HDD for OS, 2 x 650 GM for photo and video data, 8 GB RAM, two 24 "Monis had tuned with video-capable graphics, FireWire, card reader, 3 GHz dual core or better.

In Gates, an Apple PowerMac in this compilation, (2.8 GHz Quad had no card reader) to 3,900 euros.
When PC Screw in the vicinity (which is already 15 years and are synonymous of the supplies FH) cost as a box of decent brand parts built on request, with Vista Business 64bit, 1149th - Euro. In Vista, I have some of the gimmicks (transparent windows, etc.) off and look forward s.der handiness of handling. My 10 years old Kyocera laser printer was installed just as quickly the Websign Card Reader and the banking software.

The faith that MacOS does not call home uninvited, it should be according to the latest discoveries in the iPhone OS have folded.

I maintain a look that is it for the quality of my video is better that I understand the difference in price of 2700 euros in Arri lights, a radio link Sennheiser and Premiere Pro CS3 have made.

Regards
Christian

Antwort von Axel:

"KrischanDO" wrote:

I maintain a look that is it for the quality of my video is better that I understand the difference in price of 2700 euros in Arri lights, a radio link Sennheiser and Premiere Pro CS3 have made.

That falls under priorities. The video should not see what you've Calculator. Vista instead of XP for DV editing? Please reports of the long-term experience.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Degrees tonight and again tomorrow.
I have here in the office with a rifle to work Vista. The systems are slender and uniform (IMAGES) hold, because you want to avoid unnecessary Admin. I would therefore like to make a backup of important data, as otherwise schliesse an external USB disk s.and wait a little gossip * * Bluescreen. Ok, occurs (at least for Windows systems). So Calculator started again. But remained at startup hang. Tried with safe mode, last configuration, etc. no success. Currently, I write my mail on a replacement laptop and anxious about whether IT can save my data.
And believe me - this is not the first time I wanted ONLY a USB disk connected? Vista? For me, still a beta version! I prefer to climb on to AtariOS before I s.meinem private computers running .. (XP SP2 is ok, a Comparison with OSX would be unfair).
Bill, what do you mean this? http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,791313,00.jpg

Antwort von KrischanDO:

"Axel" wrote:

That falls under priorities.

Well, I think, only half the appearance of the work environment can already influence the outcome. But my real synonymous Fotostudio was never glamorous - because the agency has some graphic compatriots as if he lost. ;-)

As my old PowerMac with a ThinkCentre with XP have replaced (because we stop at the computer company that sells things have), I already thought: Sch ** sse, this is the ugly! But the images / films in the head and with increasing maturity ;-) look through GUIs simply round.

Quote:

Vista instead of XP for DV editing? Please reports of the long-term experience.

Vista was announced for the 8 GB, which I have wanted.
Expereience: Vista itself is stable.
PPro CS3 sometimes hangs or reports "System Resources are scarce, save and please be careful" or so. Sometimes it is synonymous with increasing hectic of jumping from clip to clip. But very rarely. Auto-save-interval to 5 minutes so ...
Photoshop CS3, Quark Xpress 6, PhotoMechanic and Bibble Pro running smoothly. Why Vista in the print menu of the printer Photomechanic select button is missing in XP Pro is there, can the people of Photomechanic synonymous not say.

If it's rappelt times, do I sign up. ;-)

Christian

Antwort von KlausZ:

Quote:

But the images / films in the head and with increasing maturity ;-) look through GUIs simply round.

That is a valid point. I have never been synonymous claimed that with a Win-system worse results. I myself, for years on XP produces sound (Cubase) and even cut. There are very good results here. You can work with Windows / produce / deliver results, no doubt. I am much more um's well being. As you describe it with your photo. Since I'm holding otherwise predisposed. With me everything must be tidy, with everything I have to find a handle, it must be ergonomic and for me it is important that it is synonymous still looks classy. My recording studio, I have extra redesigned with chic furniture, plants reingestellt. Since the conversion is not my music better (worse but not synonymous), but I just muse rumzuhängen there much longer, because the ambience is right. And so it is seen much more synonymous with usable output.
Just so I can see that with the operating system. You have to feel good, it must be fun to work with, it must be ergonomic, especially reliable, etc. I can of Vista does not say - is my subjective feeling, I can not for. Others are so happy - ok ...

Antwort von Axel:

"KrischanDO" wrote:

Quote:

Vista instead of XP for DV editing? Please reports of the long-term experience.

(...)
PPro CS3 sometimes hangs or reports "System Resources are scarce, save and please be careful" or so. Sometimes it is synonymous with increasing hectic of jumping from clip to clip. But very rarely. Auto-save-interval to 5 minutes so ...

Similarly, I have experienced when I first Intel-based Mac and had ( "spreading expenses") first tried to FinalCut UB Update (Up was also a grade of # 4 to # 5) to make later. I've endured one weeks, then I get to stupid.

I experience it also, if I work in Motion. The reason is that I do very well under the system is (see diagram). Because my calculator is not available for video "thought" is the same model at my dentist fixed on wellness to manage patient data. On MacPro owners I look with envy, but suppose to press the "Save" button after each action as a compromise in Purchase (reason: money).
I feel no envy towards their friends, the Avid and Premiere on PC hardware hochendigen systems operate, because their theoretical performance is somehow always experienced.

I have been over two years, Intel Mac, now the second, and reported for Final Cut Pro itself (and synonymous for Soundtrack and DVD Studio Pro) do not hang. Of course the calculator loses any or many benchmark race. It must be me no preference as to whether I made five or ten minutes waiting to be rendered. The important thing is that I do not need to render (Ha!) That I am with everything I do, and am immediately s.Start not have to wait until the NLE adjustments carried out (like a professorales räusper the software, not merci!). That is what I understand performance. For DV, HDV and ProRes is my small (and small, he is still synonymous!) Simply cut iger, Leopard.

These are the priorities for me. Of compromises, I can sing a song. As a luxury type, I see myself in None manner, the idea is ridiculous. If I could afford me, I would Sachtler carbon fiber and aluminum do not, just as an example. You have the right decision with Sennheiser and Arri (some savings are not paid).

Antwort von vaio:

"I have here in the office with a rifle to work Vista. The systems are slender and uniform (IMAGES) hold, because you want to avoid unnecessary Admin. I would therefore like to make a backup of important data, as otherwise schliesse an external USB disk s. and wait a little gossip * * Bluescreen. Ok, occurs (at least for Windows systems). Calculator so again. remained at startup hang. try with safe mode, last configuration, etc. not succeed ... "

Sorry, such a nonsense, I no longer read!
How about it: The error usually sits in front of the device. Perhaps it is more synonymous but s.deiner "rifle" as s.Vista ...

Greeting
Michael

Antwort von KlausZ:

Quote:

How about it: The error usually sits in front of the device.

Oh Göttchen - what have we laughed ... You can love me detail to explain what "error" would have done differently, if it is just a backup disk to connect via USB? As is customary, I like the answer in the form of a detailed tutorial opposite!
Yes not really speak for an innovative OS (hüstel * *), if the only time a user needs to read instructions, just to exclude any errors? On the Mac, I can connect everything, if he does not want, he says it to me (and why synonymous) and is not acknowledged with a system crash.

Quote:

Perhaps it is more synonymous but s.deiner "rifle" as s.Vista ...

As a reminder, it is not my rifle, but a device with standard corporate image. Dh. Calculator all have the same configuration. The rifle has a USB port, what's that? Even.

Antwort von PowerMac:

"vaio" wrote:

Well, so please. Your accusation may often agree with, here the user has done nothing wrong. It is easy to say the bug sitting in front of the device.

Antwort von vaio:

"You can love me detail to explain what" error "would be done differently ..."

Hello KlausZ,
at least not such unqualified Sch ... give of yourself.

It simply annoy the "comparisons" between Mac and the cheap calculator Lidl, Aldi or Media Markt-PC's. As if there are no high-quality (and Windows) Calculator would ... Or it must halt the professionally used HP's, etc. excuse. The cost so synonymous finally nothing. But woe is something not working, then it's obviously s.Windows ... Why try it again and again because private software on your - actually made the job - Windows PC's / laptops? Running the software on the Mac does not, or is there simply no? Ha, ha .. I've never been in any event, problems with USB accessories and my PC's, or had a laptop. Quite in contrast to Mac users, the USB-HDD 's lack of speed to avoid anyway ...

"The rifle has a USB port, what's that? Eben."

Well, what is the most da ...? Now consider once ... Even!
I know your computer is not working. Honestly, I would like to know not synonymous. Just this: The reason can be anything possible and impossible to be synonymous. Starting from the hardware malfunction until ...

Greeting
Michael

Antwort von KlausZ:

No clue about the background and then have such insinuations of themselves. Maybe you should see your own times s.die hearts and do not follow the example of a Sch ... of you to give (to say to bring your level).
HP's? Aldi cheap computer? Private software install?
Sorry if I ask directly: Are you drunk or why you can not follow my text?
If you're sober again, read the text again and try with qualified and demonstrable Answers relating to shine. Currently this is more Berlusconi level.
Btw, the answer as I could because "right" to act when connecting my USB disk is so synonymous yet? I am grateful for any hint, an operating system to operate properly ...

Antwort von vaio:

Sorry, because I must disappoint you. I assume you're also sober ...
Time very slowly, with the software and the Win-PC was not on your posting "gemünzt". But once you read all the postings by. And not just in this thread on the subject. At the level I do not want to enter next. Since you have so synonymous now "caught up" ... Perhaps it was a bit too much - ok! Nevertheless, I would stick to my opinion.

In this sense, a good night.

Greeting
Michael

Antwort von Axel:

Your talking to each other. Cheap computers and office PCs, you really should not include an office calculator reflects the understanding and sensitivity of his stupid users, it would be an office-synonymous Mac sometime iron. And that reports of high-end editing systems, which often depend, also based on user errors, the computer expert does not happen: Do we believe it.

You can s.einem Mac simply less wrong because he has the better operating system. The problems of Mac users here in the forum are mostly minutiae. Too comfortable, look in the manual, in most cases.

Antwort von vaio:

Hi Axel!
No, we do not talk to each other. I have only allowed me to Märchenstunde of KlausZ, with his connection problem with Vista PC and USB-HDD, even react to it. Time seriously: Do you really a PC problem with the connection of USB hard disks, which in the operation of Windows Vista is? So, I am not in any event. If a BS so abschmiert (blue screen etc.), as of KlausZ described, then we can of any defective hardware out - when's it ever has worked. But of a "beta version" for Windows Vista to speak, that is the biggest baloney I recently read.
And another thing: The Mac OS is not stable yet fast or else ... Only the users do not differ completely irrelevant of a Windows user. While some only their computer and (be-), are the other often busy, "her system" a little faster, better and perfect to make. There is absolutely no reason awakened a need - because who wants to offer services, etc. ... The sources lie in this so-called "specialist" to be installed with CD's or "hints" to the tune of the registry, etc. ... Then the thing with the games - of course, in the form of back-to-install CD / DVD 's and the uninstall routines. The course is constantly repeated. Install, uninstall ... Then office software, photo software, video editing and software, and, Other .. No, less is clearly more! If you go to the dubious tune renounces, not all naslang software installed / uninstalled (eg games), then there is not synonymous with Windows problems.

Greeting
Michael

Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Often, the Apple Mac Pro PC as a model for stability in DV editing awards. Of course, the true synonymous because Edelkomponenten selected at a price very proud to be marketed.

If you choose to build a Windows-based PCs also Edelkomponenten that there is comparable to the same amount of money, then you get to also have a stable system for DV editing.

Quality / Stability = price!

For Windows OS:
I am working on my studio PC with W-XP SP3 practical problems. With Windows Vista Home Premium on my new laptop I have now but surprisingly good experience can collect, even in AVCHD editing. What is so often in forums and magazines have been reported to be negative, belongs in my own practical experience is now probably the past!

Antwort von KrischanDO:

Kinnen why discussions about operating systems must always be poor and religious Eifereien style degenerate?

Have you ever experienced that electrician at the construction site each anpissen because of a one-KNIPEX pliers and the other a will of steel used?
Or professional cameramen, because one and the other Ikegami Sonybenutzt?

Regards
Christian

Antwort von Flashlight:

So when I look at the opinion of the public view, for example, in forums and especially the trade, which clearly speaks for each OS-X.
The InformationWeek I have always felt very credible, as far seem synonymous

Antwort von PowerMac:

"vaio" wrote:

(...) Not all naslang software installed / uninstalled (eg games), then there is not synonymous with Windows problems. (...)

Can you make s.Mac as you like. Install, uninstall (Programs in the trash pull). Power from nothing. When Windows does not. One point for the Mac.

Antwort von soahC:

My God, this is one of the most ridiculous thread I know! It strikes me as extreme as before, the Mac disciples here absolutely ZERO idea of Windows and the Windows-trailer no idea of OSX!
Time on the USB disks problem: a blue screen when Windows is about 99% a Hardwaredefkt! Then comes the argument most often: "But otherwise everything is so synonymous ...". But you must remember that hardware is not always the same must be completely off. It may be synonymous only have a defect, which not everything works 100%. And then of course that a diagnostic error in Windows is much harder than the Mac, just because of the millions of hardware combinations out there. Thus one can accept or not. I personally see it as a benefit to me from the vast amounts of hardware for me to choose right. But that must all know ourselves ...

And on the theme "Windows can not properly uninstall." This is synonymous again as a statement of ignorance, which only can occur. So I had never problems. Each program has an uninstall routine. Everything is provided, will be deleted. Program data, user data, registry entries ...
So if any of programs "residue" left over, it has absolutely nothing to do with Windows, but only with the program! There is also the same problems as the Mac. I only last a program s.Mac "uninstalled" and there is some s.Logs remained.

So each of the Mac will be doing and with Windows, it is the same. But it just incredibly annoying and if any man with half-truths, rumors and with not much idea veruscht "to be" operating system to defend. This is s.Lächerlichkeit hard to beat!

Antwort von Spielkind:

Jack then I once synonymous here ^ ^
So .. I use both windows for many years privately, the mac has recently (3monate) on the work.
one front: both has its advantages but disadvantages, of course, synonymous.

with the pc, I always drove very well, because I am well familiar synonymous, I could present problems occurring solve.
by mac, I am very excited, no persuasive useless, everything is so simple as possible and (in so far as I can judge the time) super stable. a perfect device to be able to work without worries.

I still stay home with the pc, as I pointed (of course a matter of habit) Tevez and coping well. it's the little things I miss the mac (michh corrected if wrong): no reasonable form to simply minimizing windows, no simple solution like an uninstall program to uninstall and of course still a problem, too little compatibility. there are simply many more programs and tools for Windows as for the osx and I am often in lively about it, if I search for something, but as a windows-only version.

Conclusion: s.mac am glad to be able to work, but privately, it remains just a pc. in a few years (if not entirely new microsoft developed), there will be security but with a Mac are. less is often more. seems to me of the apple in the design, as well as in the operation to be carried etc and I like that;)

Antwort von Axel:

"Spielkind" wrote:

... not a viable form in order to minimize windows just ...

This differs functionally little of Windows is just elegant. The XP taskbar is a dock for the poor, but this lookalike. Apple + m (or the "yellow" button of light) = minimize window icon in the Dock. Programs can be synonymous with apple + h to hide, you will not even be close, because in addition Programs open slow down the calculator is not enough. Sign that the program is open, is an arrow (Tiger) or a white "LED" on the program in the Dock (Leopard). Each program, whether in the Dock or in Vollfenster includes man with apple + q (or the "red" of the light).
OSX remembers when closing the configuration, size and position of the program and preview window, the most unobtrusive kind, offering a custom adjustment.
It reluctant longtime Window, but it is extremely useful to many programs in the Dock to have (in accordance with small icons that can only (> System Preferences Dock) In the sliding increases. Leaving the program and to put the calculator into hibernation instead of him runterzufahren completely, you are literally one click with s.Start (which is the Calculator awakened: System Settings). And here we are only on the standard desktop, uses "Spaces", you can (for example) with a button click or a page in a completely different work environment change. useless gimmick? Oh, it's just how you want!

"Spielkind" wrote:

... no simple solution like an uninstall program to uninstall ...

For a large, complex program like, say, the Adobe Photoshop suite, which is different but not at all. There are so many in the installation folder, that there is a need Uninstall. And in such a case, there is synonymous One> Programs> GSP> Setup> Uninstall. For all the small tools you should read the readme. In 90% percent of all cases, the uninstall is that the program "Program" with a right click on the trash transported. The remaining ten percent must have a "Preferences" folder in addition away. Do not, incidentally, because a corpse register leaves me no sleep, and ausbremsen they do not synonymous. Based on your question: If you is not simple enough?

"Spielkind" wrote:

... and of course still a problem, too little compatibility. there are simply many more programs and tools for Windows as for the osx and I am often in lively about it, if I search for something, but only as a windows version.)

There are nearly all Windows Tools Mac counterparts. Either of here here

Antwort von Spielkind:

ok thanks! that comes with the minimize me probably because Final Cut Express impractical, because there (at least not yet found) is not the whole program can be minimized, but the only one timeline, the canvas, etc.

As I said: I am enthusiastic about the mac, but I have not found 100% pure.

btw: synonymous thank for the links;)

Antwort von Quadruplex:

"soahC" wrote:

So if any of programs "residue" left over, it has absolutely nothing to do with Windows, but only with the program!

This helps the average user, but not synonymous. Fact is: In Windows, it is much more difficult to establish a program to completely remove. Who's easier to make, use a program like

Antwort von Axel:

"Spielkind" wrote:

Well, then just "h" instead of "m". And try, just "h" (ide) instead of "q" (uit) to press. And instead of> Finder> apple> off (or simply press ctrl + alt + apple + eject = eject button for CDs, etc., all at the same time) rather> Finder> apple> Sleep (or alt + apple + eject button), unless you're a few days s.Calculator. Another method (under> System Preferences> Energy Saver), the idle state is achieved, briefly on the Power button to press.

Antwort von Spielkind:

Thank you for the valuable tips! Such stories make the work much more pleasant s.mac;)

Antwort von vaio:

PowerMac wrote:
"Can you make s.Mac as you like. Install, uninstall (Programs in the trash pull). Power from nothing. If Windows does not. One point for the Mac."

Dear PowerMac, I'm talking here of users, every scrap on their Windows PC raufziehen. But the fact is synonymous Mac users due to a significantly lower offer software, much less tempted in their system "Verschlimmbessern".

Axel wrote:
"There is almost all Windows Tools Mac counterparts ...."

Certainly. So on a Mac tool at least ten comparable Windows-based tool ...

No video dear friends, I do not want to talk about what OS is better or worse. Therefore it (me) do not go. I like not only when people of any unqualified verdicts against Windows - Vista in particular - come. I have in the Windows world, since everything through WfW 3.11. Always related to the Video Editing - finally I was exactly why the GSE equipment exchanged against the PC. Windows Vista is the best and most stable Windows OS, which ever existed (synonymous compared with XP sp2 / 3). This Mac OS for years partly in another league, I would not doubt (for example, was synonymous OS2 had already advanced). But it is precisely of a Windows user, which the PC for video editing using, I expect just a little more knowledge in terms of dealing with the PC and no silly sayings.

Greeting
Michael

Antwort von PowerMac:

"vaio" wrote:

(...) But the fact is synonymous Mac users due to a significantly lower offer software, much less tempted in their system "Verschlimmbessern". (...)

This is not a fact. The only fact is that it is for Mac OS Programs are quantitatively less. The result is not to say that Mac users synonymous less "into temptation," said their system Verschlimmbessern. This is a classical fallacy, scientific methodology: zero points.

Antwort von PowerMac:

A similar counter-example:

There are more diseases to humans, as for dogs. But not yet, therefore, die percentage of more people than dogs.

Antwort von vaio:

PowerMac wrote:
"... quantitatively less Programs ..."

Do you know about the difference between quality and quantity?

Antwort von PowerMac:

No, please explain it to me.

Antwort von vaio:

The scientists PowerMac: Please do not come with your statistics. Furthermore, differ most (!) Mac users quite significantly from Windows users, regarding the use of computers. I know "Page two" credible to me!

A nice weekend ...

Antwort von PowerMac:

"vaio" wrote:

(...) I know "Page two" credible to me! (...).

I think you like. Only you the ability not to be fundamental statements whose veracity is highly debatable (and the synonymous nor methodologically are easy to attack).

Antwort von vaio:

As you unfortunately have to be someone else looking for. I am going with my two children go to a birthday party. But I am convinced that you know to help themselves. The Internet is sooo many ...

Antwort von vaio:

"I think you like. Only enables you not to basic statements whose veracity is highly debatable ..."

That you see it ... It's easy!

And the "controversy": Beweiss times the opposite. You seem so much time. No. Auträge?

Thus, it is necessary now. My wife and kids waiting ...

Greeting
Michael

Antwort von PowerMac:

Of the more often you tell your family to say you have better to do, the less I can take you seriously. I have not synonymous, with you to discuss next. Some of your statements are simply unfounded and based on erroneous conclusions logically. On the other hand you can not defend synonymous.

Antwort von PowerMac:

"vaio" wrote:

(...) Beweiss times the opposite. (...)

Anyone who claims something, it must be justified and thus occupy. Your form was next top of me already logically refuted. The remainder of your your epistemological belief ( "evidence me the opposite") are quite naive and mainly encountered in children. It enables you not to understand, own and maintain the critic to refute responsibility aufzuhalsen.

Antwort von Axel:

@ Spielkind: Send me an e-mail address s.meine linked with a wish list of Windows tools that you missed for Mac (s.besten with a short description of what they do). I can give you the download links to the best programs to send back.

Antwort von vaio:

Dear PowerMac!

"The only fact is that it is for Mac OS Programs are quantitatively less. The result is not to say that Mac users synonymous less" come into temptation, "Verschlimmbessern their system."

That's your opinion. I have another.

"Anyone who claims something, it must be justified and thus occupy. Your form was next top of me already logically refuted. "

Refuted?
Reminder: You have your (!) Opinion based on a "counter example" well founded.

"There are more diseases to humans, as for dogs. But not yet, therefore, die percentage of people more than dogs. "

By the way: So much amateurism in this context, it is already highly questionable. That is my opinion. Now consider why even ask. Or just let it ...
Despite all this just to explain things according to ignorant of examples, because they do not have the ability, otherwise in one or two sentences to explain.

I want my next statement but does not deepen ...

"I did not synonymous, with you to discuss next. Some of your statements are simply unfounded and based on erroneous conclusions logically. On the other hand you can not defend synonymous. "

That was your chance!

Instead, but 6min. Later the following:

"... The remainder of your your epistemological belief ( "evidence me the opposite") are quite naive and mainly encountered in children. It enables you not to understand, own and maintain the critic to refute aufzuhalsen responsibility. "

Please go, I would say the expression, at least s.die fresh air.

Greeting
Michael

PS: You're not anyone here, of points ( "This is a classic fallacy, scientific methodology: nil points") or abilities, etc. ( "Only you the ability not to be fundamental statements") license. You can here, just like any other synonymous, your (!) Kund do believe. Not more but not less synonymous. Thank you!

Antwort von KlausZ:

Dear Vaio,
Up next, you have once again placed under (and I assume that my thread with the crash because the USB disk was the reason) that Windows users simply spam their computer. That may be, given the diversity s.verfügbaren Programs perfectly correct. But unfortunately, I must repeat myself well and can tell you that my company laptop is not meant to be, private software to install and "try". So, if you do not know the backgrounds, please let this unqualified comments, ok? I can again mention that my laptop with a corporate image that in 1000 another Lappis installed, working. Btw, I work at a software manufacturer and had previously developed (yes, under x386 and Windows) and therefore I am not just a technical misunderstanding on the subject matter. You do not here stories rhyme together, how something can happen. I think I've clearly describe what I have done? (An attentive reading is probably a gift synonymous)
Meanwhile I got my T60 back again. IT could not find hardware error (please read again: NO and hardware), they have my data backed up, which I now have a renewed Anstöpseln the backup disk and saves me a return to the standard image on it is played. The calculator now works again - 2 days I could work with the loan. And then you come and talk such nonsense so. Thus, I know what I think of your statements to be. PowerMac synonymous As mentioned, I am missing in your reasoning a little more understandable and logical, reasoned statements and not just any Vermutugen, allegations or insinuations. In this respect would be nice if you put the thread through a bit more carefully or it could be quite the same.
Beautiful evening with the children.
Klaus.

Antwort von PowerMac:

"vaio" in our dispute is not about me it is my opinion. It is a question of what constitutes a true statement that can be recognized. It is not about opinions! It is logically correct inferences, assertions that are justified with arguments and, again, not to opinions expressed in this dispute.

PS: Just because you are proverbs or folk wisdom such as "despite all this just to explain things according to ignorant of examples, because they do not have the ability, otherwise in one or two sentences to explain." zitierst, they do not have veracity.

Antwort von Mac4ever1950:

"soahC" wrote:

Bad if you always say the same must. That is simply not true. The Prices for RAM from the Apple Store will _jedem_ of "normal" Apple dealer is several undercut. The upgrade will cost definitely _not_ more than the PC. Google time for "dsp-memory", or you watch any of BTO-Aufrüstoptionen dealers.

Antwort von Mac4ever1950:

"Megger" wrote:

proprietary monitor connector with adapters for the price of 29 ¬ or 99 ¬.

The monitor port is nothing proprietary, but still a relatively new standard. The suspect referenz Dell 2709W display him as well, Apple is once again quite forward-looking. The 99 ¬ adapter needed only for high-DUAL DVI connections (30 "), 29 ¬ for the DVI is used to get over, if the adapter then one day, may anyway omit.

Antwort von Mac4ever1950:

"meister hubert" wrote:

mac when times would begin his closing and Minimization ding upper right as winndoof hinzisetzten clever man and 2 or more mouse buttons s.der could use, there would now synonymous spontaneously for no more reason to work with windows.

See below: Click on the Picture to see full size.

Antwort von pailes:

"meister hubert" wrote:

mac ... when times would begin his closing and Minimization ding upper right as winndoof hinzisetzten ..., then there would now synonymous spontaneously for no more reason to work with windows.

Well look this is a really good reason to OS X. I think I am falling from the chair ... BTW: respect, I wonder how in such a short article so many spelling mistakes can bring.

Antwort von Pianist:

"KrischanDO" wrote:

Or professional cameramen, because one and the other Ikegami Sonybenutzt?

But that is in any case! :-)

Matthias

Antwort von joey23:

What a silly thread, it always discuss the same groups:

1. Windows users are satisfied. Your calculator is running. The rest are not interested. If someone wants to use something else, he should do. If already have a reason.

2. PC users that their PC as a religion, see, Mac is of fundamental shit, eh too expensive, unstable, Minimization-Bobbel are on the wrong page, just like the desktop icons. This is another, possibly better system might, blasphemy is the same, and therefore needs its own system until spoilage defended. You do not want accessed, that you yourself may not be the best might have. Mac have seen a few, let alone actually served.

3. Switcher. Come mostly from the first group, and try on different grounds just a Mac. A little more money out is okay, if this the quality is right. You typically use OSX, access times wenns otherwise goes to the play is certainly better Windows via Boot Camp back. No problem. They utilize the advantages of both systems, know the game together. You know the pros. and disadvantages of Windows, have for years so gearbetet, and with the Mac are now fully satisfied. They are the main target of the second group. Finally, they are traitors, defectors, serve the enemy. Because consider this course, however, with reasonable arguments. Mostly. The more the second group is irrelevant, the more likely it is someone here ravish and defended the Mac with the same nonsensical arguments.

4. MacUser has always and ever. Are you interested in mostly just not for Windows. By Job and private environment, they come but synonymous with PCs in contact, but more often frustrating, because the Mac just are accustomed, and they Umstädnliche thinking that Win users are accustomed to and defend, in their head get hard inside.

So, that's it. And each of these 4 groups can be here in this thread correctly identifizeiren. Conclusions from. And now the second group will probably go right, because they feel caught:)

Joey
(Switcher from group 1 know I know both sides.)

Antwort von Pianist:

"joey23" wrote:

So, that's it.

No.. There is a fifth group. These are those who have always been two systems in parallel with work and with two platforms are satisfied.

Matthias

Antwort von KlausZ:

I oute me synonymous as "Switcher from Group 1", although I was around 15 years, ever MacOS 7.1 was forced in the studio, because everything on the field and I was Mac compatibility for Mac had to go. I was not really convinced. And so I moved a few years later ...
The OSX of today has evolved but powerful, so it is now a mature OS really represents. At home and in the company I work synonymous with Windows and that is why I would like a verdict. And then when I get presents, I had no idea and am a DAU or whatever, then I ask myself what those about me to know in order to draw such conclusions? I know what I've s.Windows, white synonymous but what I've s.OSX. And after a year of OSX, I can definitely say: The Apple OS is far more advanced than XP / Vista. I stress' definitely '! It starts with little things in (times to burn a CD, a letter or email of connecting peripherals) and listen to the entire user interface, system stability. Security. Under Windows already does this - somehow. But under OSX it just runs a lot smoother. I used a lot of time invested to create a Windows system to optimally configure (and thus safer and more stable to do), then the whole tuning measures, etc. OSX is simply superfluous. Addiction times after XP tuner and then OSX tuner. This speaks in itself. An OSX is simply a "Ready-To-Go" system that informs a lot of time for the important things and saves it to me this was worth every penny.
I really could list many examples where the OSX just has the nose ahead. Sure, not everything is gold, there are synonymous things that disturb me s.OSX. But these are relative terms, far less than under Windows. This makes holding the difference.

Btw, there is a 6th Group - the Switcher of Group 4 to Group 1 Admittedly somewhat rare (why ???), but still exists. Who outet itself?

Antwort von Zizi:

I find it amusing but always recovered as Apple users always Comparison Aldi XP PC to do ..
For the rear seats: XP is old .. very old!
It compares s.synonymous no Panda with Vista?
Vista is what stability is concerned OSX Now even slightly ahead!
(Source C'P Magazine)
But Benutzerfürhung (just for noobs) you can deny that Apple really nothing .. is clearly better than Windows!
What bothers me is s.Apple stop the utopian and pricing
ignorant self-rail!
But let's see if this is not with the EFI-X and what it still comes as changes!

Antwort von vaio:

@ KlausZ
"Up next, you have once again placed under (and I assume that my thread with the crash because the USB disk was the reason )..."

KlausZ Hello!
No, that was not on you or on your thread-related. I can simply no longer hear how unstable Windows (specifically Vista) is and how great toll on the other hand, Mac OS is running ... Facts: I am using Vista for about 1 ¼ year. This is the laptop for several hours s.Tag (sometimes synonymous days and night). A little office, Internet and even more obviously to the graphics / video and editing. It has been the calculator, I do not want to exaggerate, maybe two, three (!) Times "hang" or the like. But I know by relatives / acquaintances synonymous Mac OS. It is definitely not stable or something similar.

"(An attentive reading is probably synonymous a gift)"

Exactly, see:

"Up next, you have once again placed under (and I assume that my thread with the crash because the USB disk was the reason )..."

That is an insinuation of yours. The next is nothing to add.

"How PowerMac synonymous mentioned, I am missing in your reasoning a little more understandable and logical, reasoned statements and not just any Vermutugen, allegations or insinuations ..."

Please do it once and now going on here.

"I have here in the office with a rifle to work Vista. The systems are slender and uniform (IMAGES) hold, because you want to avoid unnecessary Admin. I would therefore like to make a backup of important data, as otherwise schliesse an external USB disk s.and wait a little gossip * * Bluescreen. Ok, occurs (at least for Windows systems )..."

or:

"... Meanwhile, I got my T60 back again. IT could not find hardware error (please read again: NO and Hardware )..."

If you do not respect your reasoning a little more understandable and logical, reasoned statements and not just any suspicions, allegations or insinuations come, I would stick to my statement. Here again I really dislike.

The error often sits in front of the device!

Or do you want me here really weismachen that Windows Vista when connecting a USB HDD with the principle of news crashes you mentioned?

No, your mere word choice ( "Vista-gun") makes me come to the realization that every other word just pure (time-) would be wasted.

@ PowerMac
"It is logically correct inferences, assertions that are justified with arguments and, again, not to opinions expressed in this dispute."

PowerMac Hello!
Controversy? No, as thou comest to ...?
This is me very far. You can not follow my logic and I your. It is very simple. Maybe you're simply too intelligent for me ...
In this sense. Have a nice Sunday.

Greeting
Michael

Antwort von PowerMac:

"vaio" wrote:

(...) You can not follow my logic and I your. (...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent

Antwort von Axel:

The Highlander's motto "There can be only one" reluctant one. That is why there is any system synonymous with people who challenge and counter s.einem system bosseln. For many are the words of Pope sacrosanct, for no other reasons.
Windows has made of the competition with OSX more benefits than they would ever admit. Without the challenge of an alternative, more on the result than to work out routines oriented design, would be privately used computers today, not as obviously and popular. Here are the operating systems course, still quite s.Anfang. If the mouse is the ultimate interface of human motor and virtual command? Does one need a keyboard? Should the user the OS or a program logically understood to klarzukommen or the calculator is not much more the associative thinking of his master to understand, to give it a solution?

All the nickel used in such hervorgekitzelt thread should be in the context of an entertaining, fun game to be seen. Some is childish and reminds s.den emulation of role-playing in primary school pupils: "I am now immortal." Hey, why not, it is a legitimate request. There will be a long afternoon in the garden where is: "But you do not, there can be only one. Arrrgh!"

Meet a PC and a Mac in the garden. Ask the PC: "And what do our children?"
"Disputes once again."

Antwort von KlausZ:

@ Vaio
- Do you know OSX and have worked so long? Yes / No? I work with both systems every day, as I may judge me and allow my experience.
- If you disturb the word choice and it calms you. I call my iMac OSX synonymous plane ...

Quote:

Facts: I am using Vista for about 1 ¼ year. This is the laptop for several hours s.Tag (sometimes synonymous days and night). A little office, Internet and even more obviously to the graphics / video and editing. It has been the calculator, I do not want to exaggerate, maybe two, three (!) Times "hang" or the like. But I know by relatives / acquaintances synonymous Mac OS. It is definitely not stable or something similar.

Aha .. and now when I say that with me under the same conditions my OSX-plane 0-times hang? It is so, I do not know how to make a cold start OSX:-O It seems that Windows users are probably considered to accept that the halt s.and s.rumzickt Calculator. I have not nunmal under OSX, that was the first thing I noticed is. Or must I now am a happy user to see, one of the 10% satisfied OSX user counts? And I do DV editing, photo editing and now even Audiosequencing. So not only trivial stuff such as burning, office, surfing, etc.

Quote:

The error often sits in front of the device!

Nice that you know better than our IT - specialists, perhaps you should there times you apply? With clairvoyant abilities and the Blitzgabe, fault locate and assess user you're certainly very much in demand.
But Mr. White yes Vaio decision. Therefore, I'll need your support. And this is serious, the next backup is determined! Please describe to me here in a few sentences (tutorial is synonymous ok), what I need to have a USB adapter and plate so that the calculator does not hang ( "The error is sitting in front of the system" - because I have apparently but what have done wrong?). Ok? Thank you!

Antwort von Zizi:

Only the way:
Workers with a lot of MacBook (FC Pro, CS3) and it's already occurred öffters the synonymous colleagues and I, 2-3x weekly trailers, or even reset must!
Incidentally, there are always technical problems so that the "cheap" Mac support call must be yes after a year to guarantee themselves remuneration is!
Batteries Deffekt
- Display shows no light more
boots-no more, etc. etc.
From 20 units last 7 have such similar problems like this!
Recently I forgot save dan was 3 hours labor Pfutsch!
Because you really should get damages .. in order to avoid buying something (s) you actually have a Mac!
But since the synonymous switched to Intel Mac seems synonymous nothing else than an ordinary PC with 1000 ¬ housing .. times when one of the other Steurung aside!

Antwort von vaio:

@ KlausZ
@ PowerMac
"Do you know OSX and have worked so long? Yes / No? "

Yes, and I know (not just OS X)!

"Ah .. and now when I say that with me under the same conditions my OSX-plane 0-times hang? "

What now, has it or has it not?
Same conditions?
How can you just write the same conditions of time when your Mac so much better conditions brings ... The can with USB accessories, of Firewire 400 and 800 quite apart. Oh, Firewire? There was something. I prefer to let it ...

"Nice to know you better than our IT specialists ..."

Pure distraction. Where is your argument now, a little more understandable and logical, reasoned statements and not just any suspicions, allegations or insinuations?
Instead, nothing new. Just Bla, bla ...

Sorry, I will be here and those of your "PowerMac" written "statements" will no longer respond. I am simply too stupid. Regardless of everything is already said on this subject, or has been written.

Greeting
Michael

Antwort von Chezus:

Is really funny how da 2 fronts angiften always have.

from my point of view:
I work every day with both systems and I haaassse Windows. I hate it abysmal. I do not want to be more harsh with this system work, it is a horror! However, it can not be avoided.

And the fact is that Mac is more stable.
Yes, it dies out and starting again, or hang on Programs. The last time that my MacPro is really abgekackt was early 2008 (no joke!) And I work in parallel with After Effects, Photoshop, Final Cut and several smaller programs.

Safari is open in the background, occasionally running iTunes, Skype, etc. and everything alongside it runs and runs and runs. I had it cut to a PC on the same type together. No chance. Always has something gezickt, he is constantly crashed ....

Sure, there are ways and means how to configure a PC, that he runs around, but I want to employ me with something?

NO, I will definitely not work with something, I want to part with the work! The MacPro I daheim highlights the Installed Programs s.einem afternoon and have begun to work. Of course, synonymous gabs here a few problems, but they were easy to remove.

What I'm saying is: I want to work with the part and it does not constantly have to rebuild.

@ Zizi

if you after 3 hours do not work in between times to press ctrl + s (pronounced zwischenspeicherst) and you're simply just blame myself.

They do not even need the computer to time that the data are gone, as synonymous extends a program crash.
As I said, blame yourself.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Vaio: Nice try to rauszureden.
However - relating to "accountability" which is still open: Where is now the Instructions? Or did you forget's. I will help again, how do I connect a backup disk (USB2, 250GB, 2.5 ") s.den IBM T60 with Vista OS on?
Please explain it to me.

Antwort von universl:

as some have already noticed, I am an old linux supporters and scheiß yes on mac osx and windows, but I must admit that I cut for a Windows XP computer (in addition to 2 Xeon servers) did. since 5 years and he has never crashed or anything like that. maybe I'm so saugut or the computer's afraid of me that I made him turn on the window (which I've already done).

no, in earnest: 80% of the problem already sitting in front of computer.

my opinions on operating systems:

windows xp / vista:
----------------------

+ S.software everything you need there.
+ Plug and play really works

- By the wide spread attack extremely vulnerable
- Danger of destruction by klickibunti-user
- User handling is scheiße

linux:
--------

+ Super stable
+ Sophisticated user handling
- Learning curve for unexperienced users is very high
- Especially in the editing area is desert available

mac os x:
-------------

+ Is relatively stable
- But only on certain hardware
+ Software almost everything
- Up to a really good office package (even msoffice aufm mac is shit, because not 100% compatible)
- Threats of the outside are often ignored
+ Hardware / software with a few exceptions well matched.
- Danger of destruction by klickibunti-user

Nochwas btw:
I have recently been 2 Xeon server (rack-mountable) with windows to the cut, which I have on the dell homepage to configure itself and then installed. the speed is no osx calculator to get the same price. and Xeon server of dell, I have now for several years, as business customers, and because I bet with all that with the service and the hardware of dell apple can not keep up. but this is a private person anyway uninteresting.

but everyone should take what he wants. I'm happy with the variety, but promotes the development and innovation.

Antwort von PowerMac:

"vaio" wrote:

(...) Sorry, I will be here and those of your "PowerMac" written "statements" will no longer respond. I am simply too stupid. (...)

Loser!

Antwort von B.DeKid:

* A brief truce - Thank you *

http://forum.slashcam.de/viewtopic.php?p=320582#320582

As times please go look thanks to the OLPC XO1 Donations Action starts today s.17.11.

At times it was thought, that is synonymous no preference whether Mac or PC note ;-)

MfG
B. DeKid

Ps
I've been using for so little yellow sticky note.
Times I had found these quite good as well as Pc monitors s.Mac hold.
- Did I already practically --

Feuer Frei *, where *

Antwort von Meggs:

In the new C't p.33
The new MacBooks (Pro) crash when with RAM of other manufacturers will be upgraded. The only known solution: Apple's expensive memory modules.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Och ... Any normal person knows that the C't anything but subjective, what Macs are concerned. The C't is a better chip or computer screen - the focus on mainstream.
Or should we now have the PC articles from the Macwelt together looking for?

Antwort von Meggs:

Well maybe you're on it. If anything negative about Apple is written, the source defame immediately, without having to address the facts. So ne note for you is probably heresy, right?
The C't is with the neutral safety computer magazines in Germany. As will be synonymous positives and negatives about Macs via Windows / Microsoft reported.
C't has in 90zigern SoftRam unmasked as a fake - all other journals praised each other copy of the placebo.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Some examples use nothing. "Neutral" is matter of opinion. I always had the feeling that things Mac in no real connoisseurs the topics / research.
"Here Horst - is dat da new MacBook. Teste dat times and write an article -" Why me? " - "Rainer has kee time, the need to disassemble Vaio -" Och, I must always try to Macs, the net can someone anners do? " - "Nothing there, now you know the boxes better. Yes Did the last time already this EiMac tested" ...

Antwort von soahC:

But a change-Ram is now no great rocket science. Either he will proceed or not. And now synonymous not only a Ram tested. There are no great liberties in interpretation. Only running or not running.
And let's face it, this is now so surprising for Mac?

Antwort von Pillermännchen:

I am a connoisseur.
And I do not check it, I use it ..... two of them anyway.

Therefore, I will submit one of them.
And while, with whom I no longer cut, but only the things do, the sooner the cans have made. So virtually everything else.
But then again a sensible box into the house.

Hab mich synonymous of the Mac-prophets deceived.
Schneiden yes ..... but every day so have to work? Never again.

Jens

Antwort von bjoerni:

"universl" wrote:

- Up to a really good office package (even msoffice aufm mac is shit, because not 100% compatible)

Opposition: You as a Linux user determines know OpenOffice. Since version 3 really chic for the Mac, absolutely usable as office package!

Antwort von pailes:

"Piller males" wrote:

I am a connoisseur.

Well that's nice.

"Piller males" wrote:

Hab mich synonymous of the Mac-prophets deceived.
Schneiden yes ..... but every day so have to work? Never again.

Where is because the problem? I sit every day, forced s.einer Windows box each evening and am glad when I can again s.meinen Mac.

Antwort von Meggs:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Some examples use nothing. "Neutral" is matter of opinion.

That's true. I read about 20 years since the C't. During this time, my opinion formed. To enumerate all the examples I lack the time. What operating systems are concerned: the reporting on Windows and then competing products such as OS2, Linux and Mac OS synonymous was often very critical of Windows and Microsoft.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Well, times change ...

Antwort von Meggs:

The operating systems and their advantage over other synonymous.

Antwort von KlausZ:

And what is the advantage in your opinion?

Antwort von Meggs:

Linux
I would actually s.liebsten. Unfortunately, lack of software and drivers, especially in the multimedia sector is often not used.
Windows and OSX
do not give each other a lot. For Windows software more variety, cheaper, more scrap>>> more crash. Mac software less diversity, more expensive, less viruses>>> less crash.

Hardware
A Mac is a stylish PC with certified hardware that runs on OSX.

Conclusion: a high-quality Windows-based PC software is selected with a Mac in no.

Antwort von immanuelkant:

The theme of 1000 is here already "discussed", without which it will be better.
Mac fan's (and the Apple Church anyway) recommend Mac, Linux penguins and the rest of the PC ... synonymous or what ever.

There are, I believe, at least not all-important hard facts of one or the other system.

Nobody should be without any real reason or risk the adventure of a better operating system change, because by the change in the operating logic of a new training period is required, and depending on the talent synonymous frustration are inevitable stages - no preference in which direction it goes.

PCs and Macs are good work animals and provide basically the same. The rest is a matter of taste ( "factual" vs. ". Stylisch") and of the purse!

Oh yes, ... then there is still synonymous in that ounce of irrationality, which is always in the acquisitions game: one is buying an economical diesel car, the next a modern hybrid car again and another great one 8-cylinder with 300 hp and juicy consumption (despite last rising gasoline prices). One swears by Skoda, the others on the Mercedes and Toyota on Next. That is what life is. Be tolerant!

Anyone can do whatever he wants, but please no senseless war faith!

Antwort von KlausZ:

Faith is something other than obvious.
May I introduce:
Windows Vista
Apple OSX
If one with C'T and Heise comes, let me specify synonymous Wikipedia:-P
Here, please look at the chapter "Safety", "criticism", "Techn weaknesses' etc. compare. Perhaps due to falls.
The development history is worth reading, but the shake of the head begins already with the set of ... "There are six different versions of Windows Vista."

Antwort von immanuelkant:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Faith is something other than obvious. ..

It's nice that you like the Mac has revealed! That should be happy to remain synonymous (Amen).
But why this missonarische zeal towards people who have no problem?

Saves you but your energy for the struggle for world peace and the preservation of nature! :-))

Antwort von Meggs:

"KlausZ" wrote:

The development history is worth reading, but the shake of the head begins already with the set of ... "There are six different versions of Windows Vista."

I know, diversity scare Mac users. Whether it is operating system versions, hardware choice, mouse buttons, or what software is always synonymous. But how Imanuel Kant, his nickname rightly bears already expressed: You have this diversity does not use. Just ignore them.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Diversity is probably the most flattering word for it. How about with overload? Features that nobody needs? Unnecessary functions which the user rather a burden, because value. Speaking of value: What can Vista, OSX can not do what? I hear?

Antwort von Meggs:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Speaking of value: What can Vista, OSX can not do what? I hear?

You through its very existence to bring incandescence.

Antwort von Flashlight:

"KlausZ" wrote:

What can Vista, OSX can not do what? I hear?

BSOD and more. !

SCNR ;-)

Antwort von Meggs:

"Flash Light" wrote:

BSOD and more. !
SCNR ;-)

Since you are mistaken. This function is funny since XP is no longer (with me). Since then the PC freezes just - have abgeschaut of Apple.

Antwort von Flashlight:

Sun and now ne Runde pity.

Antwort von soahC:

I know you should not do, but I will answer now with two counter-questions:
1. What can Vista OSX can not do what?
2. Which brings unnecessary features with Vista?

Antwort von Flashlight:

"soahC" wrote:

I know you should not do, but I will answer now with two counter-questions:
1. What can Vista OSX can not do what?
2. Which brings unnecessary features with Vista?

1. That was never the issue here, it was not a discussion of the functions that would be synonymous with stupid.
2. That you really want to know? It seems to me you know your Vista is not good enough. Ok, here are a few examples:
Internet Printing Client
Games
Windows Fax and Scan
Windows teamwork
Windows DFS Replizierungsdienst
Indexing Service
Remote Differential Compression
Component for Tablet PC
Windows Vista Ultimate Extras
Microsoft. NET Framwork 3.0
and many more. Why are there umpteen Tuning-Programs for Windows and OSX for a few? No, that has nothing with the spread to be done.
But we leave the ... really is a nonsensical discussion. There is every system in his desire to stay and be happy. I'm there, its synonymous. Passt scho.

Antwort von Meggs:

Vista with all predecessors have, for example, are completely unnecessary and even harmful character, several years old (in extreme cases several decades old) without Neuübersetzung Programs faultless run. This forces the Windows developers, new versions of their software with new features and improvements rauszubringen if they do not want to starve.
OSX has this character is not stupid, and thus manufacturers of emulation software work and bread, as well as Apple and other Mac software developers the opportunity, through an adjustment to the new platform to earn money without ever new functionalities of the fingers to suck must.
But synonymous because Microsoft now has something of Apple abgeschaut. Fortunately, Vista is not as backward compatible as its predecessor.

Antwort von Bespi:

hab on the sae today received my plichtmacbook (which we did not get a gift, but have to pay yourself.)

it is the old white macbook. new price would be about 950 Euro (for us was the price as I have said already in the course fee.)

for 950 Euro, I got:

1 GB Ram
120 GB hard drive with just 5400 rpm (100 GB usable).
2 USB Connections (gehts still ridiculous.)
a 13 inch display with mini miserable quality (according to Apple's high-gloss)
with Mac OS X in my opinion, very tedious and ill-structured operating system, that in the workflow with other computers with big disadvantages brings.

for 950 Euro I get for Windows:

3-4 GB of Ram
up to 600 GB hard drive
larger display
4 USB Connections
accessories such as mouse .....

Then you get to hear now: "A Mac makes a much better feeling than a working Windows." This is just me that the Macs of the lecturers in the SAE in Photoshop in a short time have already crashed several times .....

Then it should be said that I like to synonymous Final Cut can do. In my opinion, Premiere Pro is at least an equivalent program. Finally, note that the new MacBooks no longer have a Firewire.

My Conclusion: Love Macfans: verarscht you calm yourself next ;-)

Antwort von jogol:

End Mach, O Lord, make an end!

Antwort von mann:

One very important aspect has not been as yet not mentioned:

Windows is now time, aesthetically speaking, just ugly, not extremely ugly, so that it could be well again, no, just average, ugly, somehow arschig-ugly, like Bill Gates in the rest yourself

MacOS has that certain something, no, not like Steve Jobs, but maybe ... like Madonna - yes MADONNA !!!!!!

Antwort von Bespi:

"Mann" wrote:

gesmackssache complete. I like vista better.

Antwort von PowerMac:

"Bespi" wrote:

(...) For 950 Euro, I got: (...)

Since I can only tell you that you were probably too stupid, a Macbook for 870 euros to buy. But at SAE "student" does not surprise me ...

Antwort von KlausZ:

Quote:

My Conclusion: Love Macfans: verarscht you calm yourself next ;-)

Some can and it will not understand and that is why it is that this discourse until the Big Day in circles.
Who all this only on the reduced price, you may be happy to Aldi and Co run and there is always the cheapest here. And if his demands, super synonymous. But anyone who claims that people who like to spend a bit more for a certain amount s.Qualität, an innovative and user operating system, an investment with much better resale value, etc. etc. (and these are the facts nunmal) would be crazy to be holding their cans, price crusher, Skodas, C & A business shirts, etc. for sale. Is everything lergitim! Brand awareness has not always what your thoughts with snobbery to do, quality has its price. Be glad that you've made great bargains and to work with you - with the VW Beetle can I synonymous driving, with the BMW 5 Series, it is a different drive and the car do I still synonymous years later torn from the hand. How easy is this

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

Completely your opinion!
Komme synonymous from the SAE (Vienna) .. and what my classmates and teachers with
Macs trailers and Technical problems had / have is just a joke!
No Vista PC, I am ever so abgestürtzt, but my MacBook of the SAE has at least 20x in a year and the Apple gates where no SAE students only get 1 year warranty, they are sort of Vollidiot!
Reason enough to never work on a Mac!
As long as not s.frühere periods where stability was linked to 1A are the same as a scrap Fujitso cheap laptop with an operating system for women and children ..
Incidentally the cost even 50% more like Windows Calculator!
Full fürn ass the whole ...
But with Mac, it's like with religion .. Users have a look s.einer "sect" is connected Defend her white box
as its equivalent of all! (and a SAE is like Sunday church, where new disciples are being bred and convert)
Sorry to Say: But since Intel Mac installed, they are nothing more than a cheap PC scrap in a beautiful cabinet with maybe a fine and look nice ideas!
Nothing more ..
People who think it is stable (Intel Macs happened)
People who think it is much better
Do not simply tau and are ignorant as foundations or other physical Muslims monkeys!
My opinion!

Quote:

with the VW Beetle can I synonymous driving, with the BMW 5 Series, it is a different drive and the car do I still synonymous years later torn from the hand. How easy is this

And listen at times Lidl Send PCs with Macs to compare!
There are synonymous other PC manufacturer in the price a one Macs
PC bullion and 5 quads construction, may ask the price!
And incidentally, a new BMW 5 Series has the largest value loss in the history of BMW! ¬ 10,000 per year loss of value -> Steigent!
Apple is no longer so .. the market is simply too strong and Intel Macs completely shitty!

Antwort von KlausZ:

Yes, yes ... SAE student ;-)

Quote:

People who think it is stable (Intel Macs happened)
People who think it is much better
Do not simply tau and are ignorant as foundations or other physical Muslims monkeys!

Oh, there's have given us!

Antwort von PowerMac:

"Zizi" wrote:

(...) The same scrap Fujitso like a cheap laptop with an operating system for women and children ..
Incidentally the cost even 50% more like Windows Calculator!
Full fürn ass the whole ...
(...) Largest PC scrap in a beautiful cabinet with maybe a fine and look nice ideas!
Nothing more ..
Anyone who claims otherwise has no clue!
My opinion! (...)
Intel Macs fully shitty! (...)
Do not simply tau and are ignorant as foundations or other physical Muslims monkeys! (...)

Dufte still an extraordinarily educated young man from the SAE-corner! With your well-groomed manners and your subtle linguistic expression you have very aptly to the point: Macintosh computers are only for women and children. Thus, we are then indeed synonymous agree that women are inferior people. The largest scrap and for women. Did you right! Anyone who says otherwise has no idea selbstredlich. I find the way, as synonymous s.solchen ignorant fundamentalist Muslims should be the same animal as s.Affen out. Unworthy of life just because I say.

Antwort von Zizi:

Well this is not a forum or spelling?
And have you understood everything .. yes synonymous
But outet your name as you clearly Fanboy ..
if you have me on my analphapetischen
allegations against the partial evidence can I stop the mouth!
Otherwise Heirate your Mac and be happy until the end of thy days .... Woman and children included!

Antwort von KlausZ:

For me is a clear quality, even if an OS of women and children can be used. Goodwill recognized.

Antwort von Zizi:

If yes here as in the Gaza Strip for bar stool!

Antwort von jogol:

Zizi writes;

Quote:

an operating system for women and children

If as Final Cut Pro CS4 and it is running, I will have synonymous ...

Quote:

Incidentally the cost even 50% more like Windows Calculator!

The Windows Calculator synonymous cost 50% more? As what?

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

The Windows Calculator synonymous cost 50% more? As what?

Come on .. I know that Apple can build fine Calculator!
I know the OSX synonymous with fine handling is ..
But that does not justify the increases by at least 50% higher at extra charge
Modern Vista PCs and the cheap hardware installed the Mac!
But all you can say whatever you want .. I've really enough
abfackelnde are surviving, and broken Macs seen dan or guarantee services to misserable .. I am with my homemade PC better served!
In essence, each themselves to know whether his prestige is soo important to
send an overpriced white plastic box few years of his own must!
Moreover, after 4 years anyway in the tip over the garbage when you look at the views of Intel entwikling!
Each year 2-3x faster CPUs .. there may be synonymous with his Mac
Apparent value of resistance is no longer synonymous match if the demands increase every day!
See AVCHD, etc. CS4
As I said the stable Motorolla CPUs old G4s etc. Gone!
Mac is nothing else more like a PC!
Oh yes, I only hope that this e-fix (see here:
http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/spielzeug/0,1518,589443,00.html)
Prevails .. times'm curious how the Mac Fanboys then re-evaluate buying Mac!
Then really knew what a well-configured PC with 1500 ¬ fine cabinet of a 4'000 ¬ Mac differs except prestige?)

Antwort von Flashlight:

Go back to LOS, not withdraw 500, DM-a ...
At least s.jetzt begins at the Loop. EF-X, etc., everything was tuned schonmal, 2 pages or so. A pity that there are now grad to be boring.

Antwort von Axel:

"Flash Light" wrote:

A pity that there are now grad to be boring.

Zizi us of the linked article could be synonymous, but a nice final word form (I try I just imagine what the welcome sound of the editor Calculator probably makes when you turn):

Quote:

The fight is almost as old as the PC itself who on a normal computer-based Microsoft has often look with envy at colleagues schnieken Apple computers - and compensated for his need for a better system with prejudice. Macs? Nothing for real guys! Smoothly functioning normally, how boring. Can or should you not unscrew it and tinker. Individual adjustments as in the PC: impossible. Or at least unnecessary.

Antwort von Zizi:

According to Spiegel synonymous:

Quote:

Such a Mac-PC is a real bargain. A rough with the test system would be comparable MacPro Apple Store around 2200 euros. The test system, however, would be for around 1350 Euro to get

And in his mirror a 430 ¬ Ex enclosure with this PC?
Is it full of shitty corrupt no pig thing I know buys
such an expensive housing except Fahd Ibn Abd Al-Aziz and the Schnösel would rather buy a Mac!
So with of quality housing for 100 ¬ so to speak, you get a slightly faster PC with OSX instead of around 1200 ¬ to 2200 ¬ according to mirror!
This warranty with more volume and scope for upgrades ..
Moreover, this part then the full benefits of a Mac and PC for 1000 ¬ less!
Why should one then buy a Mac?
Please, logical answer ..

Antwort von PowerMac:

8-core Xeon?

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

8-core Xeon?

So please ... traps more reasons you do not?
2x Quad is doch Ridiculous ..
And just in the CPU area is known as PC users many more advantages!
especially if you always want to have the latest ..
What's up with the new i7 or DDR3?
The Mac users remain synonymous reserved?
Have just read in the 1Quartal already on an 8 Core
Should give the CPU more efficiently dan Works and Power finished!
Achja only temporarily for PC .. of Mac stood meanwhile synonymous nix!
And do not forget AMD .. which is no bad synonymous CPUs are built with the new merger from Arabia!

Antwort von jogol:

Zizi says:

Quote:

Why should one then buy a Mac?

Ich hab noch NEN G5 Quad, has 4 years ago so by 3 Millerand tasted.
At that time would have a comparable Windows Calculator at least as much or more gekostet.Die MacPro 8Core of today do you get it for 2500 beeping. Show me where I like performance for 50% less in the world can kriege.Diese hatred cap Actions
are really annoying, I am a bread-free permanent artists and these tirades about arrogance and what I still do not meet the Punkt.Als would have on painters s.die brush heads kriegen.Das is really stupid!

Antwort von Jake the rake:

8core Xeon is synonymous for Windows construction. (hab own ws with XP64)

But what I really wanted to say:

Since speaks well of pure envy in some (Zizi)

The idea is pure nonsense. For the content / Work is still the head of the crate responsible. For some people it's a Mac better for others vice versa.

Personally, I can with both equally well, except that I am on mac keyboard shortcuts for some more fingers dislocate must: D

But finger ready as I'm making nothing from me ...

Antwort von jogol:

Jake the Rake writes:

Quote:

8core Xeon is synonymous for Windows construction. (hab own ws with XP64)

Without Arg in the heart of what it cost?

Antwort von soahC:

Short time on unnecessary features:
I think I find in my work at least a dozen people, the remote support (+) functions and especially Tablet PC as anything else would describe as unnecessary!
And "Scan and Fax" is the image viewer in stinknormale Win. So true ... sort of unnecessarily!

Antwort von KlausZ:

Yes, it is unnecessary, that pretty much all available for Vista Cleanup exactly these functions disabled or uninstalled. How does that fit together because that?
In any case it is anything but logical. Speaking logically, interesting anecdote of a Mac user - but it is no less true! ;-)

Antwort von KlausZ:

another ...

Antwort von Pillermännchen:

404ERR

Antwort von Meggs:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Speaking logically, interesting anecdote of a Mac user - but it is no less true! ;-)

So slow in this thread the way Mac users clear. Your definition of important and necessary, logical and illogical. Actually quite simple: Everything that the Mac can and does is important and logical, everything else unimportant and illogical.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Oje. Church ... There was but one idea.
Religion is the opium of people's. The cause of many wars. Here in the Forum will be at least nonviolent discussed. And it was not one of those threads have anything to anyone. So use your cans, annoys you with Windows rum. Is everything ok. I understand that there was a certain amount s.Masochismus not wish to take leave. This is a civil right;)

Antwort von KlausZ:

"Megger" wrote:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Speaking logically, interesting anecdote of a Mac user - but it is no less true! ;-)

Also here we turn again in a circle. It seems to me you have not the discussion of early s.verfolgt? Then please take the time to. Did not feel like every time before a few pages to them.

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

It is equally ignorant nunmal with Fanboys!
These guys probably run around with Apple Tattoo
and come in front like a Religious irrer believes his
"Party" was the best!
But I have a message for all the Apple Fanboys:
Many people simply have no buck to the White
Products!
This is just the Apple
Much-much, much too expensive
In almost all primary schools will be taught with Windows
-not very common and is kompatiebel
Mac itself precisely the sort of company is as ignorant
his followers .. otherwise they would have much broader vertrehten!
The mere track the Mac leaves me sick ..
This is sort of like the camcorders Sonybei only much worse! And since the PCs of the CPUs construction, they are no longer a Fujitso Apple but more scrap in the wedding dress!
Oh and I just e-sga Fix .. thus can be used for a fraction price of a Mac faster Mac spells with more freedom on the hardware! But it has still not an Apple Ritter then explained what the advantage of a Mac is if my PC is Efix?

Antwort von Axel:

That here again the USB stick as an example, it is not surprising. Already in OS9 (OSX since about 2001) and were removable disk drives currently used as icons on the desktop (the term "finder" speaks for itself, it does not mean "Searcher" or "Explorer"), and immediately with one mouse click, available.

Is this a time lead of three or four seconds? No, because this linkage lahmarschige procedure continues until the program into it.

And simplified processes are not only what kind of icon clicking. With Automator, anyone without prior knowledge of programming, all the OSX features customizable so that their routine work again with one click, synonymous as a batch, are done. This replaces a lot of applications for the installation of programs and program designs inconsistent with Chen and functions (which, depending on the configuration of the computer, or just do not synonymous).

Reports of versaute Macs come exclusively of the shift, which always try a simple process for Windows-type complicated.

Antwort von Meggs:

Yet what of the first anecdotes.
Error 691 is a concrete confirmation of the modem. The modem was the DSL provider is reached, but the login is denied.
The rather clear message of Windows with reference to the causes of the Mac-user completely confused, he has at his PC and the cable connections to the error sought.
The spartan message of Mac OS, that the connection has failed the same user immediately brought out that the DSL provider must be to blame, which is then synonymous true.
Super logical - really. This reminds me of nothing more.

Antwort von Meggs:

"Axel" wrote:

Reports of versaute Macs come exclusively of the shift, which always try a simple process for Windows-type complicated.

Inveterate Mac user, there are simply Undemanding.
My neighbor is satisfied Userin Mac (OS9). They wondered why a Windows user so refusing, the operating system up if it is totally dirty. Be said that the Mac is totally easy to make them an average of 1 time per month. Easy Recovery CD inside and off you go - the rest makes the Mac. When I asked why they each month Mac OS reinstall she said, the Mac say it after power, that they do.

Antwort von Pillermännchen:

Aua

Antwort von pailes:

"Megger" wrote:

... My neighbor is satisfied Userin Mac (OS9) ..

Well then you should with a good example for her and of OS X to tell. Because if we start of OS 9 to speak, then we can just start of of DOS or Windows 95/98 or ME to speak. OS 9 is obsolete for many years and has no meaning in this context.

Antwort von Meggs:

"Pailer" wrote:

Well then you should with a good example for her and of OS X to tell.

She knows of OSX - but it is too expensive, because they not only have to buy the operating system, but a new Mac, as well as new application software.
Once she knows synonymous as Windows (it always comes over to me, if what they must do what on their Mac will not work, something like e-mails with attachment, etc.), it meant their next computer would probably have a PC.

Antwort von Zizi:

then her next PC from Switzerland in order Efix or tinkering and finished is a faster, better, secure future, Upgradeable, much, much cheaper, and also flexible MAC PC where Vista or Windows 7 synonymous still can play it!
Then you can type on the Mac seem kram .. s and has a real PC to the children and women still synonymous serve you!
And the Mac can weiterlästern disciples like shit Efix is because it is not original and they liebr pay ¬ 1000 more for an apple Shining
in the final is nothing else!

Antwort von soahC:

How ridiculous anecdotes but these 2 are! The only thing the show is that the user either absolutely zero idea of win or have their contributions simply willfully misspell.
To No.1: What helps now more than when my OS says "The connection is no longer" or if I make a detailed explanation INCLUDING ERROR CODE outputs. hello? How can I complain because about something? When Mac is perhaps not necessary, because the user ja eh just "turn on and go" but win connoisseurs can with such a message may help themselves.

And No. 2: This is simply wrong! My calculator loads USB hardware 1 faster than my MacBook, which is given by a maximum of 1 second act. 2. appear in any Windows 5 different bubbles, but just one. This shows the 5 fewer reports described in about 5 seconds. One wonders how he could ever read. That may be very foolish, but the user but it is no disadvantage. Sun, or further you go. AT LEAST since Windows 2000 appears when you plug of USB hardware, CDs, DVDs ... a dialog box with options to do what you want. Yes, among other things synonymous USB stick open!

So really, just those posts, it is the impression that it is only with empty blabla Fanboys act ...

Antwort von pailes:

"Zizi" wrote:

... lots of scrap ...

Kleiner, I would say you just look in the mirror because you're exactly the same as the fanatical preacher, which you constantly mention here, only on the other.
I have never been synonymous an "Apple Fanboy" seen as the side so much garbage writes that he is rudimentary with you could measure. After all, seem to be the Mac users of the German Language to be powerful.

Maybe you're only synonymous but a damn good troll. Then I fully reingetappt;)

Antwort von PowerMac:

"Zizi" wrote:

A great tip, the neighbor should tinker with their PC itself.

Antwort von Meggs:

"PowerMac" wrote:

A great tip, the neighbor should tinker with their PC itself.

The design would be well-intended - is the art teacher.

Antwort von pailes:

"Megger" wrote:

The design would be well-intended - is the art teacher.

When it is finished, then you can still tinker with their mobile, their microwave tinker and if they need a car, then they can tinker synonymous. If necessary synonymous me fall even more things, in the event that it is boring.

Antwort von Meggs:

I will forwared times.

Antwort von KlausZ:

If somebody is just crazy and his views as gospel represents, I can understand that the term "Fanboy" to use. But here are now more than enough arguments and evidence has been ascended, that there are good reasons, a particular operating system präferrieren. The distraction with "Fanboy" is probably more of one's own ignorance distracted. I like to take counter-arguments. price may be one, but why for some of the price plays no role and they like a little more to invest in quality should probably have been sufficiently addressed.

Quote:

Very great movie! EF-X: Is and remains ne Bastel solution. Those who argue that the neighbor is an EF-X install and configure appropriate calculator, has probably not really the purpose of this discussion noticed. This is a level as the high school boards! Wahrrscheinlich come soon, the proposals in the car kit to buy. Is so much cheaper and it has much more possibilities. True, but it is definitely not everyone's thing, ok?

Antwort von immanuelkant:

these infertile discussion in which it can give no winner takes here are still on! Man, what ideologues but as always grow again!

Power but finally once again on a thread:
>> Which camcorder is better: Sonyvs. Canon <<

;-)

Antwort von KlausZ:

"Megger" wrote:

Mails with attachment only comes with OSX 10.7. - Ie the 2010th Previously, however, still 4 service packs and 37 security updates announced (which falls on?)
Your neighbor should probably better to introduce the course in the VHS Computer for unsuspecting "visit. There is definitely no ide of debt and its operating system that they would be happier with Windows s.Wunder limits. What example would it without your help that? Aha ...

Antwort von Meggs:

"KlausZ" wrote:

What example would it without your help that?

I must confess I was not able synonymous to their mail box with the annex to send. They send their mail with the Web of GMX - when selecting attachments of nothing happens in this computer. Go to my PC with IE and Firefox problems.

Antwort von KlausZ:

"Megger" wrote:

"KlausZ" wrote:

What example would it without your help that?

The Web of GMX is on IE / FF optimized under Safari synonymous, I have problems. Definitely not the fault of the OS.
Then the neighbor times out, that Firefox synonymous runs beautifully on OSX.

Antwort von pailes:

"KlausZ" wrote:

The Web of GMX is on IE / FF optimized under Safari synonymous, I have problems. Definitely not the fault of the OS.
Then the neighbor times out, that Firefox synonymous runs beautifully on OSX.

Saving you the trouble, as already mentioned next, his neighbor used OS 9 (!). Since there is only outdated browser. If I Windows 98 with Netscape Communicator or IE 4.0, then I can not synonymous complain that most pages will not work properly.

Antwort von Meggs:

"Pailer" wrote:

Correct. The subtle difference: For Win98 and a 10-year-old PC can easily install a current browser, same with Mac.

Antwort von KlausZ:

So, so ...:

Quote:

Firefox 3 does not work on Windows 98 This is because it requires some operating system features that are not present in Windows 9x

IE7 runs on Win98, that's true. But there is of course right around! Say, did you ever IE7 run on Win98? Do you know what you talking about? Mannoroth man ...

Antwort von pailes:

"Megger" wrote:

Correct. The subtle difference: For Win98 and a 10-year-old PC can easily install a current browser, same with Mac.

This is because the ugly Microsoft Win32 API has been for decades and maintains compatibility to ensure that we have long had to abandon. Apple at least dares to make a cut, so that a legacy system can die and they concentrate on well to do what is current. What do you think is going s.Legacy Windows technology with rumschleift itself, which is really poor. Your friends can OSX 10.2 or 10.3 on your Mac, then they get even halfway synonymous current browser for that. It's simple.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Above all, I wonder grad: Who in the world, please have the interest on a Win98 OS one to want to install IE7? Please say it to me.

Antwort von Meggs:

"Pailer" wrote:

Your friends can OSX 10.2 or 10.3 on your Mac, then they get even halfway synonymous current browser for that. It's simple.

Worthwhile in this case not because it synonymous Office and Photoshop would have to buy new.

Antwort von Meggs:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Above all, I wonder grad: Who in the world, please have the interest on a Win98 OS one to want to install IE7? Please say it to me.

Perhaps a Firefox synonymous, which is good anyway and runs on older PC's wonderful.

Antwort von Spielkind:

office - NeoOffice, it's free - openoffice, free
photoshop - if it works so seriously and they should be able to anyway buy a aktulle version, otherwise it seems synonymous gimp, etc. rich, free

Antwort von Meggs:

"Pailer" wrote:

Maybe. In all cases, you can a 10 year old PC without investment nor easy to surf and to write letters using a formerly much more expensive 10 years old Mac does not - at least not without major investment. As far as relating to maintenance, future safety, etc..

Antwort von Meggs:

"Spielkind" wrote:

photoshop - if it works so seriously and they should be able to anyway buy a aktulle version, otherwise it seems synonymous gimp, etc. rich, free

Do you have ne idea what Photoshop was 10 years ago was already?

Antwort von pailes:

"Megger" wrote:

This is wrong, I said yes, you need only install a more current OS, in an emergency, there's even Linux for PowerPC. And I doubt that you have a 10 year old PC with Win98 easily use it for surfing, the sites are now much too "Bloated" and Flash does the rest. Just to remember, 10 years ago was a Pentium II with 400Mhz and 64mb "State Of The Art", so come on now you no longer green branch.

Apart from this, it is really quite stupid to believe that one and the same computer for 10 years unchanged can use with this rapid development. That must simply accept, if you look at those technologies into. And I would now like to hear any comparisons limping, computers are nunmal in the development of a special case. Moore's Law can greet.

Also you can use your old Mac guaranteed profitable s.den man than bring an old PC. Because it is so often still have to pay money that one of the cards is removed.

Antwort von Meggs:

"Pailer" wrote:

Also you can use your old Mac guaranteed profitable s.den man than bring an old PC. Because it is so often still have to pay money that one of the cards is removed.

May well be that there are people who are ready for a box of like my neighbor to pay more than roughly the same for my old PC with Athlon 1.2 Ghz and 512 MB Ram, in contrast to their still surfing and letter writing is good.
That says something about but rather the mentality of potential Mac buyers, as the real value of the computer.

Antwort von Axel:

"Megger" wrote:

In all cases, you can a 10 year old PC without investment nor easy to surf and to write letters using a formerly much more expensive 10 years old Mac does not - at least not without major investment. As far as relating to maintenance, future safety, etc..

The iMac "Indigo", coincidentally of 1998, I sold two years ago for ¬ 200 sounds a lot, but that was the offer of a friend, and I had no guilty conscience. It runs on OSX, he surfs and can write letters. He is still beautiful, the design is already "vintage", but a classic. Sure, no Bluetooth, DVD Burner and synonymous no Wi-Fi built (although I think it would have been possible). I think in terms of functionality and value of preserving old calculator should be both confessions rather not compare.

For "since Windows 2000": Eben. Windows lagging what usability is concerned, always years behind.

Antwort von Meggs:

"Axel" wrote:

The iMac "Indigo", coincidentally of 1998, I sold two years ago for ¬ 200 sounds a lot, but that was the offer of a friend, and I had no guilty conscience.

Do you remember how much your iMac "Indigo" in 1998 has cost?

Antwort von soahC:

So if this "because of 2000" s.mich goes: I've said since at least 2000, because I have Win98 skipped.

BTW: The first USB memory device was launched in April 1999 for a patent. Even as the wahnisnn always hang time afterwards ...
The Mac is of no holodeck there?

Antwort von Meggs:

"soahC" wrote:

BTW: The first USB memory device was launched in April 1999 for a patent. Even as the wahnisnn always hang time afterwards ...

I have looked at Christmas 1999, a Still Image Printer and my first digital camera with USB connection purchased. Operating system was Windows 98 SE. That had USB support. The older Win98 (not SE) of house had no USB support, but could of the MS site and downloaded free of charge to be installed.

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

EFix builds PCs synonymous MacUser together for which no
skills for self-build have!
The bottom line is still miles better and cheaper as a
original Mac!
Anyone who claims to be me a good reason to say why you still should buy an original?

Antwort von Jake the rake:

"jogol" wrote:

Jake the Rake writes:

Quote:

8core Xeon is synonymous for Windows construction. (hab own ws with XP64)

Without Arg in the heart of what it cost?

What then (about 1 year ago) about 2.5 thousand ¬ spent. 2x Xeon DP E5420 2.5 GHz Quad, Temptest Tyan i5400 (16 times 800 Ram slots, up to Ram 128Gig; hab zZ. 8 inside), a fast and a few large hard disks. All in a nice Chenbrolink Chenbro
Ultimately it is for me no preference on which system I'm working. At work, I work 50/50 on Pc or mac, and PCs are more and more;'m sound engineer)

The reason for the above was the volume;) She is just like a halbsolaut MP (with the assembled fans of me, which I certainly synonymous in the MP would have been able to exchange ...) and since my apartment is quite small and no place for a server room (and studio) is ... Also, I was curious about something new (64bit win) ...

As I said: For me, the head of the VOR was the Music! PowerMac would ensure equal success if there were really only Windows on the world ... (as an example: D)

Antwort von KlausZ:

"Zizi" wrote:

...
The bottom line is still miles better and cheaper as a
original Mac!
Anyone who claims to be me a good reason to say why you still should buy an original?

Sorry that I am now just a decent "talker!" rausrutscht. That you've earned. Why?
- Define "miles better" - please provide a plausible argument and is not hot air as the previous postings
- Why you should buy an original ... the lass, I now just stay. You kapierst apparently not. I have no desire synonymous, nor a tutorial for zero Checker here should know. Would you just look at the past postings CAREFULLY read, then you would not be here repeated umpteen times your spirit free question. Google is probably more patient (Tip for search: 'Why Mac ")
If you are the German Language is not powerful, I can at least understand that you have difficulty reading. Then I would obviously apologize!

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

Sorry that I am now just a decent "talker!" rausrutscht. That you've earned. Why?
- Define "miles better" - please provide a plausible argument and is not hot air as the previous postings --
- Why you should buy an original, let me now just to stay. You kapierst apparently not. I have no desire synonymous, nor a tutorial for zero Checker here should know. Would you just look at the past postings CAREFULLY read, then you would not be here repeated umpteen times your spirit free question. Google is probably more patient (Tip for search: 'Why Mac ")
If you are the German Language is not powerful, I can at least understand that you have difficulty reading. Then I would obviously apologize!

As you are so clever kärlchen're me, you could still answer this question ..
because according to your statements I'm probably too Blöd Google!
So: What makes the original 2500 ¬ Mac better than a 1500 ¬ good Configured Efix PC?
Apart from the Super 1 years Apple warranty ..
And please no sarcastic or runtermachenden respond more ..
if you ever in this unpleasant (especially for Mac Fanboys)
Question wollt!

Antwort von Jan:

Beautiful, if you so much to say - grin ...

Antwort von Pillermännchen:

Yes,
Synonymous Nutella tastes good!

Antwort von pailes:

"Megger" wrote:

You seem not to understand what I want. If you have a 1.2 GHz Athlon with 512 MB of RAM, then the guarantee is not 10 years old. If your friends has an equivalent Mac (G4> = 400 Mhz) then it can be so synonymous guarantees current websites ansurfen ". You need only a current OS. Even if they have a Mac, the schwachbrüstiger is what you can do. The fact that your friends no longer with the Mac can do what is so easy with their own inability to do so.

If you are an incompetent computer users with a Win95-wert rifle, which is incapable of a more current OS / Browser current install, then you would give the same result if you from a friend a functioning Mac would see. You would think, "Oh is just great as a Mac, everything works perfectly, my next computer a Mac.

"Megger" wrote:

That says something about but rather the mentality of potential Mac buyers, as the real value of the computer.

But plays no role at all what the reason is. If I get something more money, then gives me the reason Pieps completely.

Antwort von Jake the rake:

"Zizi" wrote:

So: What makes the original 2500 ¬ Mac better than a 1500 ¬ good Configured Efix PC?

What makes the box 'miles better' was the question?

And why tear your virtual foot in this matter so far as to? It seems to me you are the only true "Fanboy" of something in this forum ...

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

What makes the box 'miles better' was the question?

1. More warranty
2. 50% cheaper with the same performance!
3. with the same hardware slightly more powerful, according to Spiegel
4. Future-proof because it is easy to CPU, RAM, disks can be exchanged
5. one is not bound s.Apple products
6. I can think of softer / stronger fan construction (leave)
7. Has all the advantages of a PC and Macs
8. better graphics cards
9. more options what video cards are concerned
10. Much much much much more s.Hard selection and software and freeware
11. Oh and Linux
So what makes the Mac kasten really better?

Antwort von Pillermännchen:

The .....?

zum Bild

Antwort von Bespi:

"Bespi" wrote:

as an addendum a few disadvantages of the MacBook:

no card reader (as I then closed my digital camera, when I on the 2 inputs usb mouse and printer already have?)
no ps / 2 input
no HDMI or SVideo connection.
the list could be next to continue.

In my opinion, the mac Book Netbook, a Netbook, which costs 1000 euro * haha *.

Antwort von Quadruplex:

"Piller males" wrote:

The .....?

Geil!

Antwort von pailes:

"Bespi" wrote:

no card reader (as I then closed my digital camera, when I on the 2 inputs usb mouse and printer already have?)

Ohja, I slow my printer always synonymous with me around. I well understand the argument. Top! What ever of a USB hub, you heard?

"Bespi" wrote:

no ps / 2 input

The argument I understand super. An unnecessary legacy PC interface should necessarily be part of a Macbook. Where is the parallel port or serial port? Hopefully Apple will read with, I have so many peripherals from the 80s and 90s, I would like to s.meinen Mac.

"Bespi" wrote:

no HDMI

Yes why not. Tolle idee. Maybe need it but most people tend not to.

"Bespi" wrote:

SVideo connection.

For S-Video out adapter there.

"Bespi" wrote:

the list could be next to continue.

Jojo, if you have a eierlegende Wollmichsau, then the Macbook is certainly nothing for you, well recognized Sherlock. But it forces you yes None to buy it. Frag doch mal Zizi, who is looking for members in his funny Hater Club.

"Bespi" wrote:

In my opinion, the mac Book Netbook, a Netbook, which costs 1000 euro * haha *.

God you're funny. Have rarely laughed so let me guess, you're the class clown?

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

You forgot to say that it is sometimes difficult both USB
Places occupied because they are so close together .. So my USB stick and adjust to external disk bsp. not be purely!
Or the plastic parts of the front edge s.der break when many students simply. (after 3 months)
Furthermore, in my last course of 8 students in full because either the screen at once was black, 3 vonn Dennen Battery was broken when he booted me OSX is not more .. 120 ¬ + Data Recovery Warranty obviously not what I have done!
and finally to actually have people always hang or abstürtze and overheating problems!
Great Netbook because Apple builds .. well at least they have DVD drive (no burner) and an illuminated apple s.der back .. which justifies at least the 700 ¬ extra charge for a EEPC!

Antwort von Bespi:

"Pailer" wrote:

"Bespi" wrote:

no card reader (as I then closed my digital camera, when I on the 2 inputs usb mouse and printer already have?)

Ohja, I slow my printer always synonymous with me around. I well understand the argument. Top! What ever of a USB hub, you heard?

"Bespi" wrote:

no ps / 2 input

"Bespi" wrote:

no HDMI

Yes why not. Tolle idee. Maybe need it but most people tend not to.

"Bespi" wrote:

SVideo connection.

For S-Video out adapter there.

"Bespi" wrote:

the list could be next to continue.

"Bespi" wrote:

In my opinion, the mac Book Netbook, a Netbook, which costs 1000 euro * haha *.

God you're funny. Have rarely laughed so let me guess, you're the class clown?

adapters, adapter, adapters.

"eh so no one needs."

a witty response. gratulation to this posting.

and this adapter to get so sure of apple gift.

So if someone is the clown, then du

Thou hast but rather, to my last paragraph, one need not laugh, but cry, because it is indeed the truth.

so for me the issue here is finished.

Antwort von Zizi:

Just as it is .. irgedwie everything is possible!
You can get an HDMI adapter synonymous yourself.
or usb adapter or DVI or Firewire, or a PCIe graphics adapter cards or to buy a chic like Macbook Air / Pro to 3000 ¬
because Apple eh soo good vehicle builds the prices are totally justified!
They have around 1000 ¬ adapter and you have almost the equipment of a normal EEPC! haha
An imac, iPhone, iPod, iTV and ischeiß and iusw ... and it is ¬ 20,000 off for a bit of electronics I observed in the competition at least equally good but not so stylish to get half!
And 2015 in the garbage can throw because AVCHD 2 and 3D movies are no longer on the beschi .. Quads run!

Antwort von pailes:

"Zizi" wrote:

... blablabla ...

Come back when you've learned correct German sentences to formulate. This is so similar as if I would try a somersault to teach a turtle => a waste of time.

Antwort von pailes:

"Bespi" wrote:

... adapters, adapter, adapters.

"eh so no one needs."

a witty response. gratulation to this posting.

and these adapters so sure you will get a gift of apple ...

If you have only one and one could count, then would you realize that you with your needs is simply not in the audience for the Macbook lying.

Apple tries as simple and easy solutions to present, without a lot of the gadgets and stuff most users do not need. A unit of hardware and software. If so nice if you have special requests, then you simply buy a different notebook and Mecker not rum, that the Macbook your feature requests are not met.

"Bespi" wrote:

So if someone is the clown, then du

Do not cry ... You haelen that.

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

Apple tries as simple and easy solutions to present, without a lot of the gadgets and stuff most users do not need. A unit of hardware and software. If so nice if you have special requests, then you simply buy a different notebook and Mecker not rum, that the Macbook your feature requests are not met.

Da geb ich dir quite .. beautiful expression!
But that does not change the cheap overpriced Apple product is easy!
And incidentally, just because we have a camcorder forum are:
There has been so synonymous None other hand, what if a camera accessory shoe,
Viewfinder, focus ring, etc, although this has 90% of users do not use them anyway .. Despite all the moaning when a camera it has not!
HDMI, DVI, many USB ports, card reader, etc. you can always do ..
Even ignorant Mac users!

Antwort von Isekram:

I'm a Mac "disciples of the early days" of my Mac already excited. Is nice to work and arouses the interest of my visitors and friends. (Looks nice stop off)

However, I have a business notebook synonymous with XP on it.
Works .. - But that's enough for a simple notebook with XP!

It need not be beautiful and not the attention of others or even arouse envy. It should just work, and it does.

However, I treat both the same boxes, no Schnickschnacksachen or tinkering. Just for using what the are there.

Some things can be the one with ease, some with the other.

The rest is just marketing and vanity of the people.

Antwort von KlausZ:

"Dug" wrote:

As you are so clever kärlchen're me, you could still answer this question ..
because according to your statements I'm probably too Blöd Google!

Why should I give you answer a question if you not even to my questions? Am I your lackey?
And if you really are stupid to Google, I probably lowered to a level where I never wanted to land.
Please see it as done - I'm sure you can understand that.

Btw, Kärlchen coming of Karl or how? Must I do not feel.

Antwort von Zizi:

You need me only 1st Point to say what an original Mac better
itself is a well-configured PC efix!
But since you apparently can not, you try to derogate from the subject and for me to sow ..
but no preference .. it is difficult or garned possible to answer this question because a Efix PC is better at everything like a MAC!
The 10 points I probably need not enumerate?
At least I'm not so stupid and buy me a Mac ® if I the same better, faster and inexpensive and can have better service with the guarantee and without the frills I s.Apple overpriced adapter hardware bound scrap bin!

Antwort von Pillermännchen:

Sodele,

"Pailer" wrote:

Apple tries as simple and easy solutions to present, without a lot of the gadgets and stuff most users do not need. A unit of hardware and software.

I just had my pretty wife of angenervten here (company) from a half-hour phone support, because you save a document (. doc), of which she received the university has s.unserer MacMini-Daddelkiste home could not be opened. It always pops just another window in which this had been advertised, any program to buy.
We then found out that only the "Works" (on the PPC Mini is still in the delivery was on my Intel Mac, which I use for cutting, it is no longer synonymous included) should start so that the document to double click to open.
On Windows, I need me so what no head. That is because cars. And if something is not clear, I'm under Win the right mouse button and get a choice, which I can directly select synonymous.

The same happens synonymous, incidentally, if I have a. Vlc video to open. Without previous program startup of VLC gives me the OS would not even an indication as to why the video does not start.

And I like VLC as a permanent medium integrate with Safari, you can not even the boys of MacUser answer.

And why I use the 1,200 pages of the manual FCE with the Windows computer on my print Pixma5300 had, because no Mac drivers for printing on both sides of my computer keeps knows the Deibele.

These are just three small examples of the supposed "intuitive handling in everyday life.
Not dramatically, but it annoying and time consuming.
Synonymous and I have absolutely no desire to employ me.
When cutting, it is what else, the cutting machine tool, for me, and I go with him (except for updating) never communicate to the Internet and not synonymous with it.
What the Mac as organized with FCE, it makes it good.

But never would I recommend a Mac person, the only thing needed for Allerwelts tasks.
The person who will always be problems s.der interface with the other, in the vast majority of Windows users have used.
For us this means the alternative to the Aldi-PC in the future no longer Mac, but Dell or HP workstation.

Now go and live in peace.

Antwort von Chezus:

"But that does not change the cheap overpriced Apple product is easy"

Zizi sorry, but then you probably have absolutely no idea.
20,000 euros? In what world you live then?
Do you buy at the pharmacy around the corner from your hardware or whatever?
Schön blöd, but each his own!

Well no preference, you get what Apple for its money, ready made. I have until now been about 10 people are convinced to buy an Apple (whether it is the MacBook, an iMac or a MacPro), because he only me on the shoulder and Windows has compatriots suffering war.Keiner has regretted it ever . Everyone speaks the same arguments.

As I said, it is his PC so that it runs hinbiegen ... And again: Do I want to employ me? NO I will not! I want to part with the shit work and not rumbasteln.

A very nice side effect is just that the parts of the outside of the inside just how damn good looking.
Mir makes it fun to work with OSX, it is a pleasure for the eye, even at work. And the little gimmicks look not only beautiful, they help synonymous with the work.

And, with the operating system is its Unix core stable and much Virenunempfindlicher. It is a great deal further than any Winbugs versions.

Apple only makes bad as you want, who has the money to make it into an Apple to invest will be having fun, no preference whether with Office applications, music, graphics or film editing.

I deserve no money so, s.meinem own work rumzuschrauben device and configure it, I make my money with a functioning work unit.

Oh yes, selling your time Winbugs Laptop (NP 1200 euros) after one year (possibly in the state of 1a is) you still get a maximum of 500 euros for
Selling a broken Macbook (NP 1000 Euros) on the thy geschüttet coffee and did you get for 450 euros more (no joke)

Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Zizi" wrote:

... The 10 points I think I need not enumerate more !?...

No, it would not synonymous true.

"Zizi" wrote:

... At least I'm not so stupid and buy me a Mac ® if I the same better, faster and inexpensive and can have better service with the guarantee and without which I s.Apple Schnickschnak adapter, hardware, am bound ...

If you are using this phrase as a signature take over, save you the bother him every few minutes to type.

Antwort von Chezus:

These are 3 little mistakes that you've listed. No computer in the world is perfect. Nobody says das

Only there are dozens of errors in Windows that garnicht longer mentioned, since they are already so commonplace and it is always and always so rumschlägt. One sees them on almost, because she is accustomed.

Counter-example to your printer driver:

PC
SonyEricsson Mobile: enclosed CD, install drivers ... Phone is not recognized. Everything down again, installed again ... same
Other computer ... same. Exact instructions after installed, it will and will not work.

Mac bought some time later, SonyEricsson (without any drivers to install) connected via USB, phone recognized immediately Syncs contacts.

This is not an exaggeration but ran so Exactly hair.

That has me umgehaun. And no preference which devices I've previously infected, they ran smoothly and without downtime.
Only the Aldi scanner has gezickt.

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

Well no preference, you get what Apple for its money, ready made.

Yes because you have 100% right .. only hold half of the competition!

@ Piller male: Absolutely right!
Mac certainly has its advantages .. but the fact the Mac just a few prestige tainted Fanboys and artists (which would be 7% or so) is the big disadvantage ..
To all Fanboys: Apple is not perfect and stürtzt genausooft s.wie a PC with Vista! Incidentally there are still lots of problems Compatible with the remaining 90% of computer users ..
That is probably the most basic is a luxury not to buy boxes!
I do not know why all these brand so nice to talk ..
If after the Macys had the computer would be flawless in everything!
Times change .. the calculator synonymous!
We write the year 2009 and since Macs are not intended to
cleaving more better like a good PC Win!

Antwort von domain:

Meinerseel in a conservative market share of approximately 10% worldwide, we need the apple is regarded as something special and can only speak reverently of him.
He was the first personal computers at all (PC) and has over time become iconic.
Bin begeistert of him when I see how my friends and my daughter from the Still Image & Graphics field work so successfully.

He is in my view, nothing special any more (it was certainly one of them), but the historical flair of exclusivity it is liable for all times.
I like that happy, so I drive Porsche synonymous, although a car is pretty stupid, purely vernunftmäßig considered ..

Antwort von Zizi:

If over 90% with wheel drive ..
How many of you would then proceed with joystick to Protest?
True: 7% -> the Macys!
The issue here is not what is better (which is covered in the Mac is not) but simply to the width of the users!
Funny it's just times when a Macy's in the situation with a normal steering wheel to drive and then do not even know how to get to the left!
Perhaps wär ja joystick better or safer .. but the car world has just wheels .. Calculator and the world just 2 mouse buttons and a
AltGr button etc etc!
Apple should build normal PC and in this area for further
take care .. because some things are s.Macs really great!
But as early as 20-30 years since these seem ignorant self!
Sucks!
Mainly everything else ... in order not to be compared!
Since users have provided no advantage with 2 systems to fight ...
ausgemärzt should be like the HD-DVD!

Antwort von KlausZ:

Quote:

We write the year 2009 and since Macs are determined to avoid more divisive better as a good PC Win!

Jo, is clear. Vista makes it against us. We look forward to 2009 times!

Quote:

To all Fanboys: Apple is not perfect and stürtzt genausooft s.wie a PC with Vista! Incidentally there are still lots of problems Compatible with the remaining 90% of computer users ..
That is probably the most basic is a luxury not to buy boxes!
I do not know why all these brand so nice to talk ..

The expert speaks ... How about

Antwort von pailes:

"Piller males" wrote:

Sodele,
I just had my pretty wife of angenervten here (company) from a half-hour phone support, because you save a document (. doc), of which she received the university has s.unserer MacMini-Daddelkiste home could not be opened. It always pops just another window in which this had been advertised, any program to buy. We then found out that only the "Works" (on the PPC Mini is still in the delivery was on my Intel Mac, which I use for cutting, it is no longer synonymous included) should start so that the document to double click to open.
On Windows, I need me so what no head. That is because cars. And if something is not clear, I'm under Win the right mouse button and get a choice, which I can directly select synonymous.

Sodele,

1. TextEdit (free) can. Doc open
2. OpenOffice (free) can. Doc open
3. Pages can. Doc open
4. Office can. Doc open
(List arbitrarily expand)

The Programs are synonymous, incidentally via the right mouse button ( "Open with") the choice appears to be, I'm going to make a screenshot, so you believe me?

Quote:

The same happens synonymous, incidentally, if I have a. Vlc video to open. Without previous program startup of VLC gives me the OS would not even an indication as to why the video does not start.

1. The suffix. Vlc I have in my life have not yet seen. What should it be? A container format VLC? Haha ...
2. Not true, I do a program and if there is a certain file extension can open, then OS X gives me this program is synonymous to, when I'm not a single time. Because OS X is much smarter than Windows.
3. Under Windows Programs are linked via installer in the registry with a file extension. As a professional it is. Toll!

Quote:

And I like VLC as a permanent medium integrate with Safari, you can not even the boys of MacUser answer.

VLC as a plugin in Safari? Something like I believe there is not ... Why not use Quicktime? Quicktime can with the right codecs on the Mac to play almost all file formats.

Quote:

And why I use the 1,200 pages of the manual FCE with the Windows computer on my print Pixma5300 had, because no Mac drivers for printing on both sides of my computer keeps knows the Deibele.

God in heaven. OS X can not be "out-of-the-box" every printer support. But you turn s.den Manufacturer.

Quote:

These are just three small examples of the supposed "intuitive handling in everyday life.
Not dramatically, but it annoying and time consuming.

Fein, and now I'll be 30 small examples where all the Windows Registry of stupid moves? Is it not a problem. No computer system is perfect. I only feel you have no plan of OS X and when you do not understand, or with your Windows-dominated brain can not understand, then the system is a car's fault.

Quote:

But never would I recommend a Mac person, the only thing needed for Allerwelts tasks.

I did. And now?

Antwort von Pillermännchen:

You've lost

Antwort von KlausZ:

I print the thread tonight and brings out our IT support. Even as an MS-suffering supporters are quite sure you have fun. By Eingeschleime I have a few sessions HotFix good. Under Windows, an essential advantage! :-P

Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Zizi" wrote:

... If more than 90% with wheel drive .. How many of you would then proceed with joystick to Protest? True: 7% -> the Macys ... Macy times when a situation comes in with a normal steering wheel to drive and then do not even know how to get to the left ...

Under an excess s.Durchblick suffered logic or even your previous posts have not, but gradually becomes your ideology, but something terrible crusade adventurous, you can find not? Funnily enough, Mercedes-Benz experimented incidentally actually with joysticks instead of steering wheel, but this is again a mark which is only for people with too much money is ;-)

Antwort von pailes:

"Piller males" wrote:

You've lost

Would you not me because it mentioned that I had not noticed ;-)

Antwort von Pillermännchen:

Oh ... one more thing:

"Pailer" wrote:

1. The suffix. Vlc I have in my life have not yet seen. What should it be? A container format VLC? Haha ...

I said of course. Flv for VLC
Is synonymous but surely you have noticed.

So a bright mind.

Antwort von pailes:

"Piller males" wrote:

Oh ... one more thing:

I said of course. Flv for VLC
Is synonymous but surely you have noticed.

So a bright mind.

I can even you a serious answer to it. The VLC-Preferences does not contain an entry. Flv file format. If you want it, this is a bug in VLC.
You can play this file. To do this you need only one. Flv files in the Finder, select, then press Cmd + I and then "Open with ... other things, the program". Then you just yet "View All Programs" option and you can select VLC synonymous. Then you can change this globally for. Flv select.

Antwort von domain:

What stimulates you always so on the Mac and in such a negative way?
Only the design is iconic and from the finest brushed aluminum and therefore outstanding, ussynonymous also the idea behind a flat screen with vollzustopfen electronics, which then only requires a keyboard, that's absolutely terrific.
Synonymous And when I see how naive some childish things when driving over it with the mouse so out of nothing herauspringen, so that's brilliant cross and fully corresponds to our human need, more is not easy ..

So aside: we all have ever so fully and unanimously elected as the sole remaining market dwarfed, yet still existing competitors of Gates and keep in the best interest.
It could not be worse things happen than when Apple to its already attractive addition to stores now concentrate and would reduce.
We do not want a monopoly.

Antwort von Meggs:

"Pailer" wrote:

You do not understand what it is. The Mac has a market value of 75 ¬. You do not want to OpenOffice, but with her familiar MS Office continues to work. The new operating system along with Office and what they would otherwise have come new to a few hundred dollars. With the Mac, as he is, without further investment, surfing is not possible. When I about 8 years old PC already. It makes this old Athlon on the things on your Mac does not work!
I did 8 years ago bought Office 2000 times. For me there is not the slightest occasion, on a recent Office update. It runs fine, synonymous to Vista. The functionality extends far from me.

Antwort von pailes:

"Megger" wrote:

Soso, and then your calculator came with Vista and 512mb of RAM? Ie this is the starting configuration, then you've purchased and you are not next to the calculator to invest? We compare apples with pears here, you do with your calculator, you can, without further investment nothing more, I say this is already (if the hardware is not hopelessly out of date). If they have no alternative free software to use, then they stop unlucky.

Apple has released OS consider a change of lying down, so Microsoft never would have succeeded, and virtually all users have accepted and are changed. There were many years in several ways synonymous old software re (dual boot, Classic VM). The old system is dead and that is good. For you this may sound like a disadvantage, but in truth it was a great decision of the Mac world could only benefit.

Apparently we just have different ideas / expectations. I buy me every 2-3 years a new box and you want your calculator in 8 years, still can use. That was you gegönnt.

Achso that still reminds me what a. Only in this way for comparison. I have an iMac DV at home of March 2000 with 400 Mhz G3. Work on it:
1. Mac OS X 10.3
2. Mac OS 9
3. PowerPC Linux (Ubuntu)

That means I could still order a lot of current things to do, if I wanted. So you see, with an old Mac can still be very useful things to do.

Antwort von Meggs:

"Pailer" wrote:

The fact that your friends no longer with the Mac can do what is so easy with their own inability to do so.

The presents are not so stupid to. It cuts at me more often with Premiere 2.0 (obviously not on the Athlon). There are untalented users. An Apple dealer came to the conclusion in her case was a new computer has the current best solution, because of a medieval old Mac OS to buy, not worth.
I'm the same view.

Antwort von Meggs:

[quote = "Pailer"] [
soso, and then your computer came with vista and 512mb of RAM? [/ quote]

Tells you, I have several calculator. Athlon was said at times Win 98 SE, since XP is now running. The memory I have time for a few euros upgraded. Did my neighbor with their Mac for a few euros more synonymous already.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Vista install in 2 minutes!
I have always underestimated the OS, but my sincere apologies:

Antwort von KlausZ:

Also beautiful. In a nutshell:

But the best is here. Beautifully felt on the tooth:

Antwort von Meggs:

Why there is plenty of advertising of Apple, which really does nothing other than Windows by Kakau to draw?
If Microsoft really so completely would also like this advertising propagated, then Apple would be long the market leader.
Comparative advertising has been in Germany until a few years not allowed. If Apple truly superior technology, then Apple would be in advertising their own merits rather highlight than the rest compete to make a bad product.
I'm really not a Microsoft fan. But something seems to have no need.

Antwort von KlausZ:

>> Why there is plenty of advertising of Apple, which really does nothing other than Windows by Kakau to draw?

Well, because I would really worry about it. Because in fact, yes it would be Microsoft, the greater the marketing budget for such actions have? Sure, they are probably not necessary, but we know that the last few months (after the introduction of Vista) Apple a large inflow has been received. Why MS does not mind? Are apparently otherwise occupied. About

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

Are apparently otherwise occupied. Some therefore

This advertisement is something of cheap!
Other hard to make is really the main character, the
mans themselves can not be better!
Well if things go well it needs no advertisement ..
M $ monopoly would obviously really bad .. But to me about another solution like Apple prefer!

Quote:

after the introduction of Vista) Apple a large inflow has been received.

I believe this is not s.Vista .. but s.die anti-Vista propaganda and the luxurious design of the Apple!
That's why people buy Apple .. because in the Saturn, etc. always
soo a big hype about the noble things done and unsuspecting
My customers really solving all PC problems are with the white box .. What is a 0815 so the customer expects Prices .. But perception is totally wrong!
And of course, the marketing of Apple that they really do not bad!

Antwort von Meggs:

Just the clips I think.
Microsoft makes quite a lot of advertising. The advertising on its completely different level, which is not limited to, a competing product to do poorly.
I think both have their advertising strategies with success. The classic Windows user you must forward the facts, identify real benefits. The classic Mac users, it is when this man with his slapstick Elite strengthens consciousness. Statements such as "A Mac is simply better" or "Only a Mac is a Mac" totally rich to the classic Mac users to convince.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Poorly researched and again s.Thema over.
Consider, for example, are the clips in Youtube, which neither of MS nor Apple have been made. There is simply prevailing opinions. And so much Mac disciples are not that all would be responsible.
Because we hold times must be realistic and acknowledge. With the "Fanboy" leg to swing is easy. The only question is who is the true Fanboy!

Antwort von Meggs:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Poorly researched and again s.Thema over.
Consider, for example, are the clips in Youtube, which neither of MS nor Apple have been made.

The compliment I can give back. I spoke and thought of advertising as the getamac advertising. This is of Apple.

Antwort von Meggs:

I take my time and Conclusion jack me then for ne now from:
For classic surfing and office work, one Mitel class PC with Vista or XP just fine.
For DV editing, graphics, sound and other demanding tasks you need a computer with high-quality software. Both exist in the PC and Mac storage warehouse. In the PC-bearing, it is possible slightly cheaper.
I use PC's, because professionally I am dependent on Windows, because I'm used to Windows, and because I am on the look out for money. But I can easily live with, if others decide for Mac. Would I perhaps synonymous, when I used Mac would be more professionally with Mac's would have to be done, and would have more money left over.
What bothers me is black and white painting, which suggests a Mac would be a Windows PC to house high above the basket and even cheaper. That is simply not true.

Antwort von Quadruplex:

"Megger" wrote:

What bothers me is black and white painting, which suggests a Mac would be a Windows PC to house high above the basket and even cheaper. That is simply not true.

A voice of reason ... The apple-Winbugs disciples and Anabaptists are you stoned together :-)

Antwort von Axel:

The last ten pages of this thread, under the heading hardware no longer lost. They would be better off under ideological, even better at psychology. Private Student Zizi has not unduly offended with his "Fanboy", because on the level at which this endlessly to each other is disputed, it is only to the delimitation of both systems. The fundamental decision Apples, in their advertising strategy (see here, in a 24-year-old spot) at this point to focus, the self-understanding of the Group as well characterized for its customers. We Mac users are designed to condition, as inferior to Windows. Of course, most of us professionally (synonymous) with PCs to do and see us again and again confirmed. For myself, for my sake Fanboy, is that, especially the operating system is better, but synonymous with a shabby-Transe Efix I would be reluctant friends. I am looking for everything I have around me, synonymous according to aesthetic aspects, starting with the kettle. A calculator is designed for a long time an object, which you gegenübersitzt, and if you can not understand that design plays a role, there's nothing more to say.

BTW Macs are currently not white (Fanboy season color is aluminum).

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

I take my time and Conclusion jack me then for ne now from:
For classic surfing and office work, one Mitel class PC with Vista or XP just fine.
For DV editing, graphics, sound and other demanding tasks you need a computer with high-quality software. Both exist in the PC and Mac storage warehouse. In the PC-bearing, it is perhaps a bit cheaper.
I use PC's, because professionally I am dependent on Windows, because I'm used to Windows, and because I am on the look out for money. But I can easily live with, if others decide for Mac. Would I perhaps synonymous, when I used Mac would be more professionally with Mac's would have to be done, and would have more money left over.
What bothers me is black and white painting, which suggests a Mac would be a Windows PC to house high above the basket and even cheaper. That is simply not true.

This is nothing to add!

Antwort von KlausZ:

Who has claimed that the Mac would be cheaper? (Sources please)
Instead of illustrating allegations, it would be much more serious and credible a certain accountability to disclose.
Under current rules of the game, I could just say: Eggs are square, they only appear around us. This time it's so ...
?

Antwort von soahC:

Then please finally tu ... draussen

Antwort von Chezus:

can I not resist:
Comment of Zizi "PC World has 2 mouse buttons ..."

did you actually in the last years times operated a Mac?
I know not synonymous if I'm totally stupid, but my Mighty Mouse here even has 4 buttons and a scroll wheel that scrolls in all directions.

And my Macbook touchpad, I can operate with multiple fingers, do the "right-mouse button" click with 2 fingers, leaves with 3 fingers around, etc. etc.
Sowas is now standard!

Can your laptop synonymous?

Beautiful evening!

Antwort von Pillermännchen:

"Chezus" wrote:

can I not resist:
Comment of Zizi "PC World has 2 mouse buttons ..."

Sowas is now standard!

Really?
Is this now synonymous with the Mac?

Has lasted so pretty.
When we get our first mini, it was only a one-button mouse (!!!)- here.
Fellow, what have I in relation Macforum beatings when I asked her if I use the wretched thing was clever not to share, so I went back as smooth as s.Medion could edit my pictures.

With much Treibermurkserei I then installed a Logitech, it was when synonymous only halfway decent (keyword pointer acceleration)

Why but with the photos s.Mac then it went wrong and why I now s.neuen edit Medion Notebook,

You learn that here in the next amount of ......... me, by the advertising.

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

PC World has 2 mouse buttons ...

That was meant ironically .. is already clear to me that you Now Apple mouse with 5 buttons and synonymous fast CPUs are almost identical as synonymous gets on PC!
Oh my has 8 buttons and 2 wheels and it cost less than half of
the shitty Apple Bluetooth mouse with the wheel!
But no preference .. I know Apple is better and more beautiful!

Quote:

Why but with the photos s.Mac then it went wrong and why I now s.neuen edit Medion Notebook,

You learn that here in the next amount of ......... me, by the advertising.

That was cool .. hopefully not the disabled Apple advertising where the fat with the glasses "Windows" Plays?

Antwort von Gysenberg:

"Chezus" wrote:

And my Macbook touchpad, I can operate with multiple fingers, do the "right-mouse button" click with 2 fingers, leaves with 3 fingers around, etc. etc.
Sowas is now standard!

Can your laptop synonymous?

I'm not asking, but happy to answer: This is my second laptop that can do more uswusw an EEEPC, which costs 370 Euro.

The cost of your Macbook synonymous?

--------------
BTW: If I had to choose today, I would decide on a Mac. But the switch with the appropriate licenses for all programs, training time - I can not afford.

Antwort von PowerMac:

"Zizi" wrote:

(...) That was meant ironically .. (...)

That irony SAE students know, surprise me know.

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

That irony SAE students know, surprise me know.

Well, the SAE is a corrupt Apple synonymous school!
Because only idiots can get out!

Antwort von KlausZ:

Quote:

When we get our first mini, it was only a one-button mouse (!!!)- here.

If one's not yet noticed, the Mac is not just another calculator, it's a different philosophy synonymous. Who says that he rises of Windows to Mac and to find a Windows, which has confused halt the track. Maybe you have to stop for a Mac synonymous ripe. For some here Proleter certainly not the right! And (hopefully!) Far too expensive! :-P

Antwort von KlausZ:

"Zizi" wrote:

Well, the SAE is a corrupt Apple synonymous school!
Because only idiots can get out!

Why so aggressive, Mr. Zize? How quickly the Contenance lose?
Ran the Windows is not stable today, or what?

Antwort von soahC:

So if you have a Mac for a certain maturity consumption, then I finally made your last post that:
s.Diese maturity is not very high may be
or b, you do not have Mac

Antwort von KlausZ:

Yes, finally you just a bit (perhaps associated with the same muscle).
Since you're still too small for to understand it ;-)

Antwort von soahC:

And once more the argument of the arguments lots ...
without the slightest clue of my person

Antwort von KlausZ:

LOL .. You, you do not know and it will certainly not synonymous, right? :-P

Antwort von immanuelkant:

Times can an admin close this pointless thread ???!!!

Antwort von KlausZ:

Now that's finally back goes next? :-O

_____________________________________
Scooters / model / Lenkdrachen

Antwort von Pillermännchen:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Quote:

When we get our first mini, it was only a one-button mouse (!!!)- here.

If one's not yet noticed, the Mac is not just another calculator, it's a different philosophy synonymous.

Jaaaaaaaaaa,
as a designer sits somewhere s.Strand of Malibu, an exclusive Macbook on the beach mahogany table, looks at the photos of Heidi Klum of undressed and tried to whistle sufferings s.seiner pulling, using the completed layout Eintastenmau s, virtually the promotional items to our Heidi to Drappier to which afterwards a nice promotional poster for a French perfume lotions Chen Machart draus will.

Did you look at the so-presented with "philosophy"? Yes?

I'll tell you something:
Photo editing with Eintastenmaus is like a classical piano with mittens.
Since I am Steve Jobs and his thought processes are not transparent schnurz. The thing is an aberration.

And yet what I give to you with:

Quote:

For some Proleter here

Who mentally so cramped lives in the basement, needs more than one Mac as an accession assistance to rauszukommen since.
Learning first with any calculator, no preference whatsoever, clever work.
Then you would with your statements here is certainly not as embarrassing as a flat male outing.

Slowly, I understand why Mark here has thrown in the towel.

Antwort von soahC:

Well, so if you have any statements about me or hit my age, you must already know me.
Although, if I ichs are fairly consider all of your other statements so synonymous only plucked out of the air.

Antwort von KlausZ:

"Pullermännchen" wrote:

Who mentally so cramped lives in the basement, needs more than one Mac as an accession assistance to rauszukommen since.

The compliment I give back and are happy with justification (which is in the majority here is obviously in short supply).
Than

Antwort von KlausZ:

"soahC" wrote:

Well, so if you have any statements about me or hit my age, you must already know me.
Although, if I ichs are fairly consider all of your other statements so synonymous only plucked out of the air.

I can again emphasize. Your age, I am pretty no preference, your person anyway. So what should the crude Anmacher?
Then überleg times nicely next - perhaps helps's.

Antwort von soahC:

"KlausZ" wrote:

Yes, finally you just a bit (perhaps associated with the same muscle).
Since you're still too small for to understand it ;-)

"KlausZ" wrote:

"soahC" wrote:

Well, so if you have any statements about me or hit my age, you must already know me.
Although, if I ichs are fairly consider all of your other statements so synonymous only plucked out of the air.

I can again emphasize. Your age, I am pretty no preference, your person anyway. So what should the crude Anmacher?
Then überleg times nicely next - perhaps helps's.

What can we say ...

Antwort von KlausZ:

At best nothing ... then directed the synonymous less damage, does not it?

Antwort von soahC:

Probably yes. You know yes, the smarter and so ...

Antwort von KlausZ:

That would be nice so you can shorten, smarter! ;-)

Antwort von Chezus:

Before once again Mac users to Windows users insult, or vice versa: times remains factual.

Also: Photo editing with a "one-button mouse"
I've never tried because I am now with a 4 button mouse s.Apple've worked.
Why in the past rumschnurksen?
That with the one-button mouse depends Apple probably long after, is apparently all a dark point in Apple's history it seems to me.

The dark point in Windows, namely Vista, but is present and is still laaaaaaaaaaaange come. And there is not just about a mouse but a complete operating system! If that does not run smoothly, then the mouse of my keys are from 500 ... it brings nothing!

And that man with old Macs and new software, etc. has problems but not interested. I wanted to last week with Photoshop on an XP calculator with 700Mhz edit. That has drawn ....
laaaaangsaaaam, the program has crashed 3 times when I as a Tiff and Jpeg wanted to spend and Other ..
I'm not complaining, I knew that yes it is an old calculator!

With something you have to expect!

A because it is beautiful, enduring, I of course to the facts:
OS X is better compared to the Windows operating system
Windows is not better than OS X
OS X is better
Why? Try it out!
It is better

better

more ....

The discussion leads to nothing, but it somehow makes fun;)
I know that I've legally, and finally I am working since the switch synonymous viiel relaxed!

Another small example of the "carefree work"
Windows Calculator wireless setup: I've verschissen weeks, so it all works correctly. My brother is ITler and helped ensure that it runs decently. There has been synonymous someday work. Eventually I was permanently on the network.

Macbook purchased wireless key entered in it.
Network printer (IP entered) works! Had no drivers for download!

If Windows is so much better at, then why does it always and always such circumstances. If it is so great, why does every one because there are soooo many problems?

God, I am glad that I'm converted!

Antwort von immanuelkant:

People, this issue is an infinite loop and completely pointless.

The recent article here again provoked the Windows users and, despite the initial assertion that the issue seriously want to close, anti-Windows and contains tendentious nonsense.

Concluded with this thread! Tolerated or you want your operating system to wage war?

Antwort von mann:

yes WAR WAR WAR!
get something going.

perhaps virtually? who knows a good fighting game? However, there is the problem: be it on Mac or Winbugs run ...

Antwort von Quadruplex:

"Mann" wrote:

However, there is the problem: be it on Mac or Winbugs run ...

Linux selbstverfreilich - that's for apples and cans :-)

Antwort von mann:

"Quadruplex" wrote:

"Mann" wrote:

However, there is the problem: be it on Mac or Winbugs run ...

Linux selbstverfreilich - that's for apples and cans :-)

OH YEAH YEAH
WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN WITH LINUX

windows is crap and
apple is out because linux is better, oh yeah

Antwort von Quadruplex:

make fun of Apple & Steve Jobs
Steve Mops (den kleinen Extrascherz nehm ich mir raus:-)
- das ist schon geil...

"Und dann küss ich meinen Freund, Bill Gates, auf Eurem Geldhaufen" :-)

Antwort von Isekram:

I think the best is yet s.Windows
that it invented
now synonymous to work with them.

Basically, I have nothing against Windows,
in any event, nothing was helping.

Antwort von Zizi:

Well so much work over 3 billion people!
I think it is reason enough to be able to!
As mentioned earlier:
If 95% of the world with the steering wheel car, the joystick driver Blöd come in everyday!
So Windows is the better operating system ..
synonymous if Joystich maybe in the invention of the first cars
better or safer Steurung a vehicle would have been!
But it is usually priced by what is attractive ..
and if you want a handling with one system can not synonymous, it is more complicated!
Although OSX in terms of handling, especially for
Noobs would be better!
But if I ZBS. my child buy OSX / teach it
no later than at school or at his friends in the "chalk" when
ums gaming, file, program, etc. etc. is knowledge!

Antwort von Meggs:

"Isekram" wrote:

I think the best is yet s.Windows
that it invented
now synonymous to work with them.

That is not said. Who knows what kind of computer in MS-boss floors to run?
MSN movies for example are not included in Windows Media format. Since running the Adobe Flash Player.

Antwort von Quadruplex:

Macs are the only working tool in the center of the eclipse (no - not the ZDF ...)

http://www.heise.de/ix/Axel-Springer-Verlag-stellt-komplett-auf-Apple-Calculator-um--/news/meldung/110435

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

Macs are the only working tool in the center of the eclipse (no - not the ZDF ...)

http://www.heise.de/ix/Axel-Springer-Verlag-stellt-komplett-auf-Apple-Calculator-um--/news/meldung/110435

Springer AG, which can allegedly afford!
The old Axel Springer has probably taken an Apple Fanboy the
he apparently has good zugeredet .. he has probably
0 ahnung them!
The newspaper's publisher prints only confirm to me
the presumption!
Perhaps wars yes a "scoundrel" of here!
If he thinks all IT problems with the billions to have solved Deal
he has cut ..
Worse landlord does not .. synonymous but not much better!
switched to the cost of billions that his manager with ¬ 2000 paper "Netbook" rumlaufen can!
Well Apple will enjoy!
Perhaps there is indeed a great synonymous Corrupt rail behind it .. ?
Who knows ...

Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Zizi" wrote:

... so that works well over 3 billion people ...

Interesting numbers! From whatever source it comes?

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

Interesting numbers! From whatever source it comes?

4 billion users worldwide .. I doubt the times gently
all have a Mac at home?
It was the Axel Springer is now synonymous an Apple Fanboy and equips
next to his sch .. Publisher synonymous yet half the world with the expensive
White out?

Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Zizi" wrote:

... The old Axel Springer has probably taken an Apple Fanboy who apparently has good zugeredet .. he himself has probably 0 ahnung them ...

Leg's not depends on yourself with every posting ridiculous to do ;-) The "old Axel Springer" 1985 is dead.

"Zizi" wrote:

... Who knows ...

A really good question! Your contributions only answer the opposite question of who does not know ...

Antwort von pailes:

"Bernd E." wrote:

"Zizi" wrote:

... The old Axel Springer has probably taken an Apple Fanboy who apparently has good zugeredet .. he himself has probably 0 ahnung them ...

Leg's not depends on yourself with every posting ridiculous to do ;-) The "old Axel Springer" 1985 is dead.

You just made my day. I have such a fun ... Unbelievable ;-)

Antwort von Axel:

The Simpsons have been class. The best is the Mp3 player dummy "MyPhony" (to specify before classmates), then the $ 49 cost.

All true. How pathetic, in the hyped products of a company to make Kotau. All this must not degenerate into slobbering fanaticism, it would be nice if the thread in question here would be conciliatory.

Is there actually status reports from the picture? Breeds are better informed about the education of the people think with the big cats?

Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Zizi" wrote:

... 4 billion users worldwide ...

Well, this is a breathtaking expansion - currently there were three billion. But now seriously: There are currently almost exactly one billion computers in the world. S.jedem three people that work (and so almost half the world is sitting in front of the calculator), I believe to be unrealistic.

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

3 billion people are online!
over 4 billion people have ever worked with a calculator!
and 90% of which will not swim in the wealth as we are currently experiencing in Europe!
So which 99% have no Mac!
Mac is anyway s.reiche philistine philistine, or would like to be stupid for Windows! not personally take ;-)
Because what normally paid with 1300 ¬ income will have several months for a save if the laptop not even a real DVD Burner or USB for ~ 2000 ¬ gets (eg Macbook Air)!
The same can be synonymous with an EEPC 300 ¬ for it!

Antwort von Axel:

"Zizi" wrote:

Mac is anyway s.reiche philistine philistine, or would like to be stupid for Windows! not personally take ;-)

Would my visitors from a private school never occur.

Antwort von n4pster:

What about self-assemble with PC?
I know myself now with zero from Mac OS, and have no idea whether the structure requires a maximum amount s.Adressierbarem memory.

But for 600 Öcken get NEN schnieke Q8200 with 8gig Ram and Windows XP to 64 bit: o
Der is in 30 minutes zusammengebastelt and Tadüsel da is your Power PC workstation:]

Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Zizi" wrote:

... 3 billion people are online ...

Not every assertion is true with an exclamation point behind it. Indeed there are almost 1.5 billion:
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm

"Zizi" wrote:

... Mac is anyway s.reiche philistine philistine, or would like to be stupid for Windows! not personally take ;-)...

Already okay! This is something I take personally as much as I have this whole debate with their "arguments" seriously ...

Antwort von PowerMac:

"Zizi" wrote:

(...) 3 billion people are online!
over 4 billion people have ever worked with a calculator! (...)

Who said that?

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

Just as it is .. but the Mac users prefer to deal with iTunes, as they ZBS. the things on their Ipod or get her white box at Slashcam forums verdeitigen as with Rechnerbau to employ ..
For me, it is almost the hobby zusammenschrauberei .. and my opinion is easier as the entire iTunes Kack!
And incidentally, I get 1200 ¬ for a calculator to run faster and more stable as any Mac 3000 ¬!
Oh and bold games so I can still synonymous!

Antwort von n4pster:

"Zizi" wrote:

Well I know many (including myself) are not so on the Schrauberei stand. The whole kleingefummel can be a little on your nerves. However, I have no possibility for a man with something as common sense and basic computer knowledge (which is (a / e) motherboard / power supply / graphics card / CPU / memory / hard drive) do anything wrong. And even the layman will never need more than 1 hour, it has just about 30% (!!!) in Comparison to the retail price for the same PC can be spent and still synonymous secure just concerted brand components have to be installed (there are not to date is ---> gamestar.de has a very helpful hardware forum). Prior to the friends you can specify "I've even completely built." Windows setup is straightforward and takes such a new PC is not more than 30 minutes. This means it is often "wait 5 minutes" and you can get a beer schonmal head ^ ^. So little effort, so much langliebigeren PC and still synonymous masse to save money ... because one should ever make the effort!

For ¬ 1200 bekommmt you have an absolute power workstation with 8GB Ram, 2 (!) Quad and 4 disks in raid 0 +1 (faster and fail-safe), because in comparison to the PC gaming no 350 ¬ for a high end graphics card hinblättern must (in the main gaming PC).
I can not imagine that a Mac here for 3000 somehow much more (if any more) of power can bring, and if they can so the 1,800 difference for a CAD graphics card on its head;>

Antwort von Zizi:

stupid question so s.rande ..
What benefits me a Quatro or FireGL card in a cut calculator?
These are actually for 3D Calculator software or architects, etc.?

Antwort von PowerMac:

Wrong. You can still learn a lot s.der SAE.

Antwort von jogol:

If a calculator has, with the everything you want to make feasible, there's
but no reason other than aufzuregen, the other hardware, operating systems, software that does not own the entspricht.Das is Opels absurd.Die against Gulf. In "Gulliver's Travels" (1726) of Jonathan Swift, there is the strife between the Trackmesan (with the heels), the Slackmesan (with the low paragraphs) and the Blefescus whether the egg wide s.der Page, or s.spitzen must be added at the end of the war virtually führt.Mit other words, everything old Käse.Wie says Karl Marx: Each according to his abilities, each according to his needs.

in this sense
Greeting
jogol

Antwort von MK:

"n4pster" wrote:

For ¬ 1200 bekommmt you have an absolute power workstation with 8GB Ram, 2 (!) Quad and 4 disks in raid 0 +1

1200 for an 8-core system with the key data is synonymous in the PC area somewhat utopian .... the "cheap" UP 4-core Xeons, you can not for two on one board operate ... this requires at least the more expensive variants of DP-and since you get only the slow cheap.

Unless you convinced me that the opposite and post here a compilation times for EUR 1200 for the above-mentioned basic data has and where not only Xeon CPUs with 2 GHz clocked are ...

Antwort von Zizi:

Well what happened to me yet what it chooses to do against a Mac Speaks:
I have my 140 ¬ with quad 3.4 GHz in a silent system with less than 50 degrees s.laufen + ATi 4870 and a 2TB disks with SSDs as an extremely fast system "plate", and 8GB Ram 1066 for less than 1000 ¬!
They have an enclosure where every Mac looks as if he would Kik!
What would happen to me the same performance on a Mac cost?
2-3000 ¬ Probably, if it even exists?
And incidentally, there are so synonymous Dealers for the 40 ¬ cleanly who assemble to stupid or too lazy for this is!
Achja with 4 year warranty instead of one from Apple!

Since the question is if you are a current PC now tinkers with Intel Core i7 and DDR3 like shit because Apple runs on the other hand?
This would then like a bug against a Ferrari on the highway only when the computers are the twisted Prices! (exaggerated words)

Antwort von PowerMac:

Start your Cave Zizi!

Antwort von Flashlight:

"Zizi" wrote:

...
Quad -140 ¬
-for under 1000 ¬
-2-3000 ¬
¬ 40-for clean assembly
Incidentally, I get 1200 ¬ for a Calculator
-as every Mac 3000 ¬
real-USB for ~ 2000 ¬
EEPC-for 300 ¬
...

Ok, that you just about cheap, we have now understood. What you up but at this time still did not understand and I think because of problems of understanding, language difficulties or other handicaps will not understand is the fact that cheap alone can not stop there is. You're for me the typical buyer discount - for you are probably Monday and Thursday (partially synonymous Wednesday) the real holidays! Because there's the bargain offers at Aldi & Co.
What you'll never understand is that there are people who quite like to spend more money in order to enjoy some options, which Aldi & Co can not offer. But I explain it yourself not in detail, because it has already been posted dozens of times, you have understood it but still do not, otherwise you would not constantly running in the loop and perform your calculations, in principle, anyone interested - except of course, like-minded bargain hunters. That is synonymous everything ok and this target must be synonymous type.
But with your strange numerical examples (and it is a wrong grotte-4 billion people are online?) Yes we know now, what kind of sausage you are. At least provide entertainment for you in this thread. Professionalism is quite sure what else.
Screw you like your low-power-mega-killer Apple Calculator together, take the saved money and maybe visit a couple of VHS courses (SAE I can not recommend this case!) And be happy.
Because of such people like you, I would be alone on principle prepared to spend more coal to me of such a puppet to differ:-P

Antwort von Zizi:

Oh God .. Lidl and Aldi PCs are the biggest Vollschrott s.Markt!
But the comparative Lidl is always of Mac Fanboys like to mention because they lower layer of the PC form!
Perhaps this is because the intrinsic values of a Macs are the same as the Lidl box .. just stop with expensive white "wedding dress" and the operating system for adults!
If I were ¬ 1500 for a high-high-end box will output I find more than enough!
Since I must not lie down twice less power and more prestige to get!
But your arguments are against real class!
This proves only that you can not oppose the superior hardware selection of a much cheaper PC Lidl invades and a PC to compare with home-tightened only my presumption that you ahnung 0 of Rechenrn have "!
Oh I mention synonymous always happy with the e-Fix ..
what I dan growth to any Mac user auszulachen!

Antwort von Flashlight:

What I think of - the question "What is innovation?"
Why is Apple so successful with its products and why MS always lags behind? Tell me please, what Microsoft really milestones on the market? Apple was at least always has risks and innovations to the market to miss, which subsequently guided many have - the most recent example is the iPhone. Although there are many who hate (envy?) And the iphone is anything but cheap - it is currently the most advanced mobile phone (and more than that), there is. Meanwhile, the term "iphone-hunter" or "iphone killer" shaped. What does that tell us? What is Vista's user-oriented, is probably not even worth discussion. Let's go a little further back, it gave the ipod and itunes, a huge success. Even if it was not a bargain (watch here, Zizi!). The iMac, an all-in-One Desktop Calculator - not less successful. I need not enumerate here (google helps next), but Apple has always been state-of-the-art, always front and M $ limps until this day afterwards - it is obviously much easier and cheaper to copy existing things and service should be and "own innovation" to sell itself as the pioneering role. Here I must synonymous times on the example of the automobile industry rely example BMW: BMW would for many years as "elektronik-prone", elitist, too expensive etc. stamped (there are parallels to Apple?), But what many forget. BMW would not step innovations (not always synonymous mature 100%) on the market to throw, we would still on Active Steering, Adaptive Headlights, High beam assistant, telematics services renounce. Of course you need not be all that (expensive everything Money)! Formerly synonymous but there is no head restraints and harnesses needed. And for these innovations, I am happy with my extra Obulus happy with this front, whether from Apple's now or BMW is. I ask not that you must understand that - but is simply a plausible answer.

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

Why is Apple so successful with its products

Successful .. ?
The small shift s.Künstlern brand and love you call success?
Since missing a little bit s.die 93% of M $ "monopoly"!

Quote:

iphone anything but cheap - it is currently the most advanced mobile

Yes that's true .. but it is just like the computers ZBS:
Samsung copied and sets out many functions without the
self / rail program for less money!
Other
1. The Omnia has MMS
2. Copy / Paste
3. One can thus use as a modem via Bluetooth or USB on a laptop surfing etc.
4. iphone has no Bluetooth support (except for headset)
5. much better video / still image functions
6. Flash Support
7. improved GPS function
8. much more free software
9. cheaper
10. expandable with memory cards! (Omnia total of up to 48GB aufstockbar) Iphone only max. 16GB!
11.schnellere Hardware

And yes, the iphone has a small advantage: it is better to operate with fingers!
whether all the other points to cover, I doubt!
Himself had had the Iphone .. and it made me angry every time this scheiß itunes to use and so jealous of Omnia users to look all the freeware and Cracks moved or just music or videos without any problems (itunes) on their mobile phone load!

Antwort von Flashlight:

"Zizi" wrote:

My 1000 ¬ PC is synonymous fast, stable as any Medion kak!

Interested but not really. You is faster, bigger and Billich - we know that now everyone!

"Zizi" wrote:

Oh I mention synonymous always happy with the e-Fix ..
what I dan growth to any Mac user auszulachen!

Since I am quite sure! ;-)

Quote:

But your arguments are against real class!
This proves only that you can not oppose the superior hardware selection of a much cheaper PC mind!

Nee, I find nothing more. I Will not synonymous. Lies you look at the manure through your postings, maybe you will fall synonymous to what? On your (understandable) argument, I have waited long enough. Since nothing comes and nothing is synonymous come.
Go back into your building, time for hibernation ...

Antwort von pailes:

I am pleading for user blacklists in this forum. Who agrees with me?

Antwort von Alan Smithee:

"Zizi" wrote:

Quote:

Why is Apple so successful with its products

Successful .. ?
The small shift s.Künstlern brand and love you call success?
Since missing a little bit s.die 93% of M $ "monopoly"!

If you have more cash than Microsoft has, the I would not just as "not successful" means.

Antwort von Alan Smithee:

"Pailer" wrote:

I am pleading for user blacklists in this forum. Who agrees with me?

Why?
Zizis thought but have high entertainment value. :-)

Antwort von pailes:

"Alan Smithee" wrote:

"Pailer" wrote:

I am pleading for user blacklists in this forum. Who agrees with me?

Why?
Zizis thought but have high entertainment value. :-)

Initially I found it amusing synonymous, but he is obviously not able to read and understand, he only repeated mantra-like his stupid arguments. In this respect, he begins s.zu nerves.

Antwort von Axel:

"Zizi" wrote:

Himself had had the Iphone .. and it made me angry every time this scheiß itunes to use and so jealous of Omnia users to look all the freeware and Cracks moved or just music or videos without any problems (itunes) on their mobile phone load!

More and more crystallized the portrait Zizis than the IceAge harmful Nagers "Scrat", this hyperactive animal with the Graves' eyes. Only that instead of acorns spackige ringtones and mp3s en masse (the sense of context suggests that it is "exchange" is) will be hoarded. That brings me back to my theory that the typical window has different requirements than I do. I hesitate to say it is simply quantity vs.. Quality, but in which direction it goes. The Thieving joy, something for nothing ergattert to have, and the stealthy pride in one's own Bauernschläue, and the breath smells even after all the peanut flips, whose consumption of Tauschbörsianer property has gemehrt.

This is an invitation to the carriage returns, we are here at Itchy & Scratchy ;-)))

Antwort von Chezus:

which I can only agree.

Zizi, ungut for nix, but you will understand our views do not seem to be.
That you look at your money is ok. The synonymous tu I just stop differently than you

in terms of iPhone: my concern is not about to have a cell phone, the 1000 features dominate, which I will never use.
at the beginning was so loudly criticized, the iPhone can not send MMS. Is schnurz me, but I can send pictures via email.

All Gedo with this ringtone, own ringtones tinker, etc. I'm not interested in the bean.

I am concerned with the handling, and there is absolutely NO cell phone to keep pace at the moment. I have many Tested! The iPhone still fascinates me today (I did it since the first hour).

And quite incidentally, it is more robust than any mobile I ever had.
So I am synonymous with my other Apple devices. The handling can with nothing in the Microsoft world compare.

Do you understand? I do not want to cheap cheap cheap. If I am, then about a device to get better, not cheaper.
There is a small but subtle difference.

And I habs schonmal mentioned: I earn my money is not so, s.Computern rumzuschrauben, I work with a functioning device.

My brother has his money with "PC-bolts-and-up" deserves, and has eventually stopped because he had enough. Now he produces music and designed web pages, on a MacPro.

Previous: high-end PC with all kinds of components that are exchanged every month, because what was new. Meanwhile, he has the Pro almost 1 years and the only thing he has constructed, was the memory and hard disks.

He is happy with it! He's got the year before, far more for computer hardware to the box to be kept updated as to the MacPro. When MP he must not.

Comparison to a known, which has a Quad Core with 16GB Ram and what do I know my MacPro runs with (yet) 9GB Ram a bit faster, because hardware and software work together better.

No matter that we had everything here already. Seh it, there's this and that. Listening to us cheap scheiß aufschwatzen want to. While you use your PC zusammenbaust, I cut a couple of videos, Earn Money while and buy me a new MacBook Pro.

;-)

Antwort von KlausZ:

Quote:

Do you understand? I do not want to cheap cheap cheap. ...

No, it will not understand. We are now safely back with some austerity calculations bored with the world of rational, he is not so;)

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

So I am synonymous with my other Apple devices. The handling can with nothing in the Microsoft world compare

That's right!
But as I said .. MMS is just a small part to the iphone can not!
That's why I moved to the Omnia!
From the handling with the fingers can of course no other mobile phone and simply keep up with innovative! but that is just as important to me as you write the MMS!
I prefer instead to eat a great Navi, full Office package,
easy transfer of music and videos, Bluetooth, Camera Schnapschuß perfect for a mobile phone vertammt is good, no memory problems anymore, (my 8GB iphone s.ersten days was already full)! my omnia has now fully 32GB!, Copy / Paste! and last but not least the great Apple Battery not holding a day! (Omnia 2x as long) that was my main reason!
Well least is a huge hype about the thing what the resell made easier!
Sure the iphone has a lot of great things on camp ... Apple typically only hold things in turn, bear the entire packet!
With the Omnia, I better come!
Although tauert it much longer to deal with it .. but in the end I have a lot more useful things!
If one anyway and just teleport SMSen willl he needs none of the two anyway!
But here, of course, know almost all .. since there are apparently many, both phones have long had?
The same applies of course for a 1500 ¬ EFIX PC and Mac 3000 ¬!
Of course everyone knows Efix Mac younger and memorized in order to be poorly hoarse ..
The mirror HP Reported probably only corrupt Sch ... ?
A better bargain for a Mac wär ja total scheiße ..

Antwort von Axel:

"Zizi" wrote:

The mirror HP Reported probably only corrupt Sch ... ?
A better bargain for a Mac wär ja total scheiße ..

These scornful exclamations I hear some of Martin Semmelrogge. Experiments still me a Picture of Zizi to make. Scrat is talking of course not (although Otto), so Martin Semmelrogge. I believe he was Trevor, the common rat from Peter Jackson's Meet The Feebles this
Perhaps a better fit but synonymous "Fly-in-the-sky", the fly, the libel of living here s.ihrem Favorite:
zum Bild

Antwort von PowerMac:

I break away. Just like Zizi thus fits into the SAE? There's flies everywhere, of course.

Antwort von Zizi:

zum Bild

without words ..

Antwort von Schleichmichel:

"Chezus" wrote:

That with the one-button mouse depends Apple probably long after, is apparently all a dark point in Apple's history it seems to me.

A second mouse button, I have in all the years of never missing. A Mac-user to drill synonymous not like a Windows user with the non-mouse hand in the Mähse, but places it on the keyboard (with !ç, ctrl, alt, #)! Then you can quickly synonymous short commands. Additional mouse buttons would be redundant.

Antwort von Isekram:

My Mac mouse (Mighty) but already has 3 buttons, nee, are actually 4 keys ...

Of which I use only two.

Who really uses all four?

--

Otherwise, I find it cool how often this (tail) Comparison PC / Mac will be fought.

That shows just nice that so many PC users to work with Mac to find arguments to why they (still) do not have one.

I have both and find both good.

Antwort von Schleichmichel:

Okay ... for Exposé are okay ...

Antwort von Axel:

Thank you, Zizi. Now I can sleep better. I thought not, of course, seriously, that you look like an alien.

Antwort von Zizi:

http://www.computerbase.de/news/wirtschaft/recht_gesetz/2008/dezember/apple-werbung_apple/

Antwort von Chezus:

Unbelievable!
Now you have me convinced! I sold all my equipment where it is an apple.

With something I can not live

;-)

Antwort von Flashlight:

"Zizi" wrote:

http://www.computerbase.de/news/wirtschaft/recht_gesetz/2008/dezember/apple-werbung_apple/

Damn - I feel so verarscht of Apple. Out with the stuff and finally bought a PC.
The other Steve (Ballmer) is already not a sow's mendacious.

Antwort von Zizi:

That was earlier on .. because in this thread about
the great Mac gerdet was advertising!
Could you link to any open .. For a Mac are such things
garned often self-evident, even with the garned Safari :-)!
But I've already noticed that here on Slashcam
Apple rumtoben loud people!
Alone at the tests never seen something else as Macs?
By intention or Apple Slachcam paid for it?
In any case, I stop now before I flap my be hanged ..
is already in the third Reich as here!
only brown instead of white ..

Antwort von shodushitanaka:

"Zizi" wrote:

... as in the third kingdom here!

It smells like a ..... PETITION!

Antwort von Flashlight:

Ah, let him. We know that it is of Zizi, the cute little small forum comes Wicht. This is in order.

Antwort von B.DeKid:

"Zizi" wrote:

......
Alone at the tests never seen something else as Macs?
..... Third Reich here ...

Ok see times Zizi

A Mac is with a console to compare. (Sony Xbox Nintendo)

Why?

Because Softwear used for this "console" is, properly start / run will be.

So if you are working with this console, you can and will rely on his opposite, with the same console works, his material can open and edit.

Although I am a supporter of synonymous PC group, but think your campaign leads to nothing here.

I think the synonymous Comparison with the "console" you should now be clear why it should be just one forum chen (graphics or 3D is the most synonymous so) users increasingly the 'Mac' trust.

Thus, the halt and the synonymous ok so.

........................

nee nee you, not 3 Empire - Web 2.0 is here, the 3.0 comes after 2.5, but as always, first as a beta

MfG
B. DeKid

Antwort von deti:

Equal first: I am a Linux user, but working synonymous with Windows and MacOS.

I find it a Mac looks great - if the processing has not Apple let rags. However, the handling of a Mac gewöhnungsbeürftig strong because:

- The keyboard is quite different. There are some keys such as "insert" not at all. Special characters are only partly about unpleasant combinations to reach (eg \ is shift-alt 7).

- The applications can only be operated efficiently, if you have a lot of keyboard shortcuts knows. There is hardly a unified schema and many shortcuts are poorly documented.

- The window manager is terribly old-fashioned: The menu of the active window is always above and when many windows are open, you have orientation problems in which the menu is currently working on (which is always top left).

- The menu-and window bars are always present, making valuable space is lost (for example, can never with the browser in fullscreen mode). There are very few applications that are a real full-screen mode (eg Media Player).

- There is no middle and right mouse button and this brings one to despair, when one with copy & paste in terminal works. Thankfully know the new MacBooks to their trackpad is a gesture for the right mouse button. The middle is still missing and you get it only by connecting an external mouse.

Such a MacOS is Unix - it even feels a bit like Linux, but the concepts are under Linux and KDE are now better implemented. For experienced Windows users is to switch on MacOS very schmerzbehaftet and it does in the first months of absolutely no fun to be a lot of stuff to memorize.

Looking at the reputation of the Mac calculator and the extra cost for the hardware, so trust is probably not too many users say it with the Mac not cope.

I'd just cut for the video set to Windows - there's in every price class hardware and software for Choice and not just one product of a Manufacturer. Furthermore, a PC is still lots of other tasks. Who occasionally a Mac-feeling to have, can still install a Linux parallel ;-)

So much of one, it needs to know (typed on a MacBook)

Deti

Antwort von pailes:

"deti" wrote:

Equal first: I am a Linux user, but working synonymous with Windows and MacOS.

Good, then you can choose to see strange times: MacOS, there is no more, it is if the Mac OS X operating system and the family is called OS X. Under MacOS is the "old" and the classic operating system is dead

Quote:

- The keyboard is quite different. There are some keys such as "insert" not at all. Special characters are only partly about unpleasant combinations to reach (eg \ is shift-alt 7).

The keyboard may be different, but it is not so bad. And the key mapping is much more logical, for example, all variants Dash /, \, | on the same button (= 7) they can through the various modifier keys reach. Just because you're accustomed to something else, it's still a long way that it is inefficient.

Quote:

- The applications can only be operated efficiently, if you have a lot of keyboard shortcuts knows. There is hardly a unified schema and many shortcuts are poorly documented.

LOL? The keyboard shortcuts are different between Mac applications 100x more consistent than, for example, in Windows or KDE / GNOME where each programmer / manufacturer has his own ideas. You see, you did not really plan, or did you simply not long enough apart.

Quote:

- The window manager is terribly old-fashioned: The menu of the active window is always above and when many windows are open, you have orientation problems in which the menu is currently working on (which is always top left).

Pure habit thing. The menu above has to have some advantages synonymous from usability perspective. Bothers me it's not the only problem is that people who are not used to want to stop their old schedule back. Well, tough luck. OS X is not Windows halt synonymous and non-KDE and GNOME (and KDE for only the Windows paradigm copied).

"deti" wrote:

- The menu-and window bars are always present, making valuable space is lost (for example, can never with the browser in fullscreen mode). There are very few applications that are a real full-screen mode (eg Media Player).

If it makes sense for a program, then it may be appropriate for a full-screen mode to implement. I think for most programs you need full-screen mode and I do not think that is the way most users. These are very special requirements and Apple do not want a system like Linux in which the tiniest detail is configurable.

Quote:

- There is no middle and right mouse button and this brings one to despair, when one with copy & paste in terminal works.

This statement is wrong, it should read "the MacBooks only have one mouse button. But as you've correctly identified, there are exactly the gestures and in an emergency an external mouse. Two keys are sufficient for normal everyday use completely, it is usually even with only one mouse button. This can be seen on the touch pad with two fingers to scroll vertically and horizontally.

Btw. if you copy and paste into a terminal, then what are you doing wrong;)

Quote:

Thankfully know the new MacBooks to their trackpad is a gesture for the right mouse button. The middle is still missing and you get it only by connecting an external mouse.

As often repeated wish Apple will present simple solutions. If you want a notebook mouse with 5 buttons and Parallel / Serial / SCSI ports will need to simply not Macbook.

Quote:

Such a MacOS is Unix - it even feels a bit like Linux, but the concepts are under Linux and KDE are now better implemented. For experienced Windows users i

Antwort von Flashlight:

404ERR

Antwort von deti:

... I had the presumption that the issue may boil again, if one brings into play Linux ;-)

Of course this is all a matter of taste and objectively each flavor has its own advantages and disadvantages. If you just get the disadvantages of the advantages of a case against another, then the consideration is therefore highly subjective.

Except for the amusement serve such discussions are likely to be nothing - next in the "Huh?" Thread.

Deti

Antwort von Spielkind:

But this amusement is super, just makes next! xD

Antwort von Bespi:

"deti" wrote:

I agree with you in all respects. I feel it as well.

Antwort von strike300xxx:

I advise synonymous to the Windows PC.

(And I'm a Mac user)

Antwort von pailes:

"strike300xxx" wrote:

I advise synonymous to the Windows PC.

(And I'm a Mac user)

In any case, did you really convincing arguments.

Antwort von Zizi:

I advise synonymous to the Windows PC.
(And I was a Mac user)

@ Dati: just as it is!

Antwort von pailes:

@ wizi: We know this already.

Antwort von Kino:

@ Kochalo (remember, this is the author of the opening contribution)

Was your initial question answered to the satisfaction?

Antwort von KlausZ:

"Zizi" wrote:

I advise synonymous to the Windows PC.
(And I was a Mac user)

@ Dati: just as it is!

For that time you were a Mac user, you know damn little about it. I refer to your posts in this thread. Then more likely to stand in the showcase forum, what?

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

For that time you were a Mac user, you know damn little about it. I refer to your posts in this thread. Then more likely to stand in the showcase forum, what?

Not showcase but storeroom!
In any case, I ~ 1 hour daily forced white because of the SAE
with this device (Finul Cut)!
Because Windows is prohibited without da shit!
If there is no Mac can / should make the garnicht!
As already mentioned .. SAE is the church of Apple!
They all convert to OSX and will be of great verfächter
Mac world as synonymous happen here in mass!
At the start economically equal upon a MacBook like a
Monastery of the Bible!
If one is with a Vaio in the classroom comes
economic man bullied and called a idiot ..
Oh .. and not just because: it is you ever noticed in the
90% of all Hollywood movies only evil villains' Lidl 'and PCs have
good fine gehübschte Macs ..
That is probably the largest commercial brainwashing so that people like you have foundation on white leaves music!

Antwort von KlausZ:

Och Göttchen. Da würd ich gleich escape from the SAE - has 2 advantages:
- You will learn what else can possibly and clever with your Windows boxes work ...
- You save a bunch of money and can remain true to your motto (bargains).
With the money saved s.besten a high-end PC with octa-or Hexa-core CPU and 16GB of RAM to buy, the hisses s.wie neighbor's guinea pig!
Then you can give the Deppert Apple disciples of the SAE quite laugh. Stop! EF-X is still missing, so it must of course still on the synonymous Calculator gebastelt be.
Then you can be happy but, my dear Schnulli.

Antwort von B.DeKid:

What 's the SAE? , - Times so I can laugh over it ;-)

Antwort von DWUA:

Gude,
to laugh, there's (not only) for you - to fit the day and
for example, the following thread:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPdOW0kh4z4

From Santa Claus (this time as "Frühchen") synonymous cordial greetings
s.die Slashcam editors.

;)))

Antwort von Axel:

"B. DeKid" wrote:

What 's the SAE? , - Times so I can laugh over it ;-)

Link. Private school students on their standards of public media institutions like to say something derogatory sound - whether rightly or wrongly, I can not judge. In any case, the recording conditions have a much smaller obstacle (apart of the fee, which costs Klaus Zizi in the post above asking).

This
For Bavarian Ge Polt ere up (a nice phrase from my time in Munich, I have noticed: War aane g'fotzt that `dv'reckst!) Two spells in the Rhenish Slang:

It is the world no worse suffering than what man himself andeit.

and

Wat the in'n sin Uhl is the ongern sin Nachtigall.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Quote:

This seems to be Zizis blog.

Delicious! The course explains EVERYTHING!

Antwort von pailes:

"Zizi" wrote:

If one is with a Vaio in the classroom comes
economic man bullied and called a idiot ..

I knew it. Zizi was times of Mac users are bullied. That explains so much. I'm now really tired of the good. So: Do not download, but have compassion.

I'm sorry for you Zizi. If we will take proper times of geknuddelt me. But your spelling mistakes, I forgive you still can not.

Antwort von KlausZ:

perhaps we should start a petition "A little love for Zizi".

If I am I but in his blog at

Quote:

.. My whole free time is almost entirely in Computerbastlerein at all, and what with multimedia or technology has to do ...

would be a girlfriend maybe better? The arms:-O

Antwort von Zizi:

Fanboys are the re-united ..

Quote:

knew it. Zizi was times of Mac users are bullied.

No. I have no Vaio laptop .. but only a MacBook.
And the fact that in the SAE as much as Apple Spinner rumlaufen here
I am so rarely in the SAE None probably would bully me.
Be the synonymous in this thread to continue ..

Quote:

would be a girlfriend maybe better? The arms

Girlfriend I've already inevitable ..

Antwort von PowerMac:

"Zizi" wrote:

(...) I am so rarely in the SAE None probably would bully me. (...)

Good Money! The fact that so many Macs s.der SAE, is really a reason to studying them.

Antwort von Zizi:

Yes, the sit provides the basic ¬ 16,000 sat in the sand!
I can certainly afford .. if I am not even for the Money
will afford a Mac!

Antwort von B.DeKid:

Thanks Axel

Antwort von Axel:

For students and Macs: I think I know what Zizi said. From the Media / Film / Camera - Students are to me the most enjoyable without Mac. Apple earned by their joviality ( "Do you ever experience FinalCut? Do not unnecessarily difficult"), that they are behind her back all of "Kotzbrocken" to "ass violin" called during the Windows underdogs to scrap their brotherly share.

I have often wondered how the so-editing programs are. It seems premiere (of course on PC) and Final Cut Pro are among the students about equally. Avid is probably as a quasi-standard in the curriculum. My question what the advantage of Avid was (we look at the spread in prisons outside), was of people who need to know it, it says: In the Monitor window is the time code displayed in the video, if desired. APP and Final Cut Pro would have the time code only render. Uh?

Seems such an If-I-can-make-it-there-I-make-it-anywhere history. Man exerziert so synonymous nor linear editing. It is as every secretary should be present at the first practice of a mechanical typewriter, new type, if they are prescribed. And the right way of dealing with Tipp-Ex. The braids are old.

EDIT: Another spell in Baden dialect, of a very good fit to the thread: Des kannscht zuscheise.

Antwort von robbie:

Recently saw-cut statement from a presenter s.einer School:
"I declare unto you the basics of Final Cut."

Student: "Here s.der college use but 95% of the students first!"

Speaker: "That I do not think so. Maybe I buy it to me once. I declare Final Cut anyway. You have to hold myself under the same functions in Search Premiere."

Super.

Anyway, as a Windows user in a Mac world (design?), One will probably mocked.
Tute still functioning. What s.Ende rauskommt, has not Apple and Windows do not synonymous stamp.

Antwort von universl:

The usability of Windows / Mac OS X, but in truth the same. I've boxed and long enough times to say: We could spend hours debating whether the tougher and better strike a right hook is (because of Mike Tyson preferred) or a left hook (because of Joe Frazier preferred). If I do it when opponent is KO, and the result is the same.

I personally like the apple does not synonymous. If one s.der fiscal policy of Apple (which are the same as the A. .... of MS). And the fact that I synonymous as a software developer working on and what a better development environment like Visual Studio 2008 does not exist. And I say this as a Linux user.

Open Office with MS Office is not to compare what the functions and interaction concerns.

And I personally wenns finds funny is due to a shitty "operating" system. Given the differences between the PC-User/Windows but not of the PC-Usern/MacOSX. Somehow interchangeable. Am I glad that we live in a democracy and your followers of the mono-culture have nothing to say.

Antwort von Axel:

It is true, the finished film bears no stamp. The reasons for such a "disturbing" thread should probably lie elsewhere. What is the Macianern accused, insulted Fanboys to be true probably not be reversed. Or? Microsoft is a company which binds emotionally?

No, not the company or its products. Children who are too early to deal with computers learn to socialize is worse. They learn early on that people are less reliable, the input supplies is not the most desired output.

Is it excessive to say that his PC has some emotional attachment? That the daily, intimate interaction with the usual operating any coins left behind? Not so strong and not as deeply rooted as to the mother, but still so strong that you feel personally attacked? To some extent as a "son of a bitch"?

If so, then it is high time to end this thread and a therapy to begin. There should be a cessation program for the Apple iDoc for Windows shrink as one of a thousand programs from Wühltisch. Otherwise it is us as a famous Muttersöhnchen, said: "Blood! Blood! Mother! All full of blood!"

Antwort von universl:

Yes, it is absolutely no preference which tool to be successful. And if I have the worst under the sun for use when helping me, then it's okay. Is my decision that I need anyone to represent.

What purely objectively noticed is the inability of Apple users that its tool is just a tool among many, the same problems as other tool synonymous. Therefore, the accusation of elitist posturing.

What still stands out objectively, which is then some (or more) of other users from the Windows world only by mention of Apple so angepisst feels that it almost comes to World War II. Hence the accusation of obstinate Windows Boys.

I suppose synonymous Linux user from the non-elitist affectation, since I myself tend to do so.

Proposal but I seriously before, makes you a venue to drink a few beers, learn to know you personally and you will see, if not much more in common than divide exists. But this is only wishful thinking of me.

Antwort von Chezus:

Schade ... I thought we will create another 20 pages to the record to sustain bissl;)

Antwort von KlausZ:

Unfortunately, Zizi back into his building disappeared, too cold out there has become ...

(I share a "Sorry" against a "Luckily" ;-)

Antwort von Zizi:

Well main thing you do in the cold!

Antwort von vaio:

"Well you do it mainly in the cold!"

Hi Zizi!

Probably he is not as comfortable as du mal I appreciate that you s.deinem (self-) Calculator one or the other can turn off fan (obviously in the running) and so the waste heat to heat can use ...

Greeting
Michael

Antwort von Isekram:

PC fans are just jealous because they do not have Apple computers so fits nicely into your living room.

And just when Apple makes the visit then big eyes, what you've got a Mac? Booar, looks great.

A PC of HP or Dell, etc. interested because no oxygen.

Antwort von vaio:

"... And just when Apple makes the visit then big eyes, what you've got a Mac? Booar, looks great ..."

Yes exactly! Likewise, if the visit Vaio PC looks.
If I get a Bluray in my laptop insert ... Because you should first of all the eyes!

Greeting
Michael

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

PC fans are just jealous because they do not have Apple computers so fits nicely into your living room.

Yes in the living room, I want to cut video, gaming, and work ...
real users have to a private room ..
But if I have an Apple the additional cost of this money into a
PC enclosures invest, I get a special preparation of
Woods and gold of Versace ...

Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Chezus" wrote:

... I thought we will create another 20 pages ...

No worry, your wish will come true ;-)

Antwort von Chezus:

But I knew that the bees come out again if you want to nest in their stings;)

But it's so easy for ...

Antwort von B.DeKid:

My visit when he goes into the cellar, and NEN hochholt wine - then synonymous always ask what the Komische refrigerators are.

To my then my little server farm;-P

MfG
B. DeKid

On this we get 20 pages full.

Antwort von Isekram:

"Bernd E." wrote:

"Chezus" wrote:

... I thought we will create another 20 pages ...

No worry, your wish will come true ;-)

... I am sure ;-)

Antwort von Axel:

Guests in the cellar to send wine to get, well that's the fine art Do you have at least one television in the kitchen, so when they peel onions and the dish have a little entertainment?

Antwort von B.DeKid:

:-P Nee no TV in the kitchen. Indeed, the most with ;-)

And who wants to drink wine must stop in the basement, so I do not drink (almost never) alcohol, since they can be happy the wine because I did.

MfG
B. DeKid

Antwort von Bespi:

"Isekram" wrote:

there speaks a true experte yes. if the type in how you go next to kundenfang make appleanita probably in 100 years, yet coal.

No one is interested in a pc, but 90% use it? that you must still explain to me synonymous.

Antwort von jogol:

Bespi asks:

Quote:

No one is interested in a pc, but 90% use it? that you must still explain to me synonymous.

Is doch ganz geil einfach.Weil Stinginess ist.Wir expensive cheap hassen.Wir want.
Zizi says:

Quote:

Real users "need" for a room, who wants to live in a Bastelbude.
Your "special design" is a "Gelsenkirchen Baroque 'nightmare.

Antwort von Chezus:

"No one is interested in a pc, but 90% use it? that you have yet to explain to me synonymous"

Would not you like synonymous of Benzi (or oil) want to get away?

Ich würd synonymous completely happy coming off of Windows, only have they increased so Windows catapults that one occasionally stumbles over it ...

My brand new MacBook Pro with 4GB RAM comes tomorrow, incidentally. Herrlich!

I know I'm probably a angeberischer, richer Schnösel;)
(or someone who really can work and even of what the tax will .....)

Good night, and you do not hit the heads of business!

Antwort von Isekram:

"Bespi" wrote:

No fear, I can afford it to me yes.

While you, and your peers, next with Winbugs rummurksen need.

That is the best s.Windoof!

The toll it must be to live next.

Antwort von Isekram:

"Zizi" wrote:

Exactly!

So Winbugs users!

First, the hobby and then play as work.

Other way around could you afford an Apple synonymous.

Antwort von Zizi:

Yes? .. and Mac users are employed and Kik drive a BMW 5 Series with a 3,000 ¬ Powermac do check email .. and to finally go broke or what?
But the fine so you generalize .. dan is therefore 95% of the computer world and the unemployed gambler in your eyes?

Antwort von Kino:

Ah, chief Visite!

Antwort von B.DeKid:

"Isekram" wrote:

......

No fear, I can afford it to me yes.

While you, and your peers, next with Winbugs rummurksen need.

......

Rarely so laughed: - /

I want you to see if you like me, (and I'm only 30 and is not a Ltd Company) 7 people create systems need to stand up, which then anyway win of their projects based servers can render.
This is not purely economic history.
Some of my PCs have built-nichmal GraKas but run with GraKa onBoard (which need ne tips ne GraKa because?)

Un like it looks on our desks, I better tell synonymous nich ;-) As a müllt with all figures, the other has given dozens of pins and sketches hang, one of the hats always fully clean and tidy - there would be a MAC course for optical reasons worthwhile. But otherwise the fact is Latte, because the customer so it is no preference, and a MAC-plus I can hardly calculate ;-)

.....

I can only try to say.

At MAC we know 100% that everything is working and all the material is synonymous around the world can edit.

Antwort von KlausZ:

Yes, top trumps band leader has Zizi's halt drauf - the white B'scheid! Does the whole scene, working with different systems, the SAE (collection of unemployed electronics hobbyist), on the whole world!
I think that the postings have really Untehaltungswert - so what's Winter hole. Speaking of winter hole ... Zizi, why are you not in your building? You will still freeze:-O

Antwort von Isekram:

@ B. DeKid

Even if I just empty slogans loslasseum plate and the entertainment value of this thread, I would like to raise one thing clear:

I do not have a Windows user called stupid!

Winbugs is an expression for the unreliability of the system is not for the user.

Antwort von Axel:

Caution! Cyber-bullying begins, to be legally relevant (Google). A reply such as the straight of Isekram should KlausZ synonymous ever cope basket. And Zizi saves on his Omnia s.besten the number of a lawyer, he explains, if he is bullied, or maybe even mobbt, because if the synonymous term "Fanboy" is not necessarily to be offensive, it is clear from the context on the intention closed by the author. It is synonymous the persistence of bullying. When prayer wheel-like repetition of the same is Unflats of Internet stalking be considered, and this is even punishable by law!

Has it been an Apple user ready?

Antwort von Kino:

I understand the whole fuss is not. Although I hereby as a "Fanboy" (not the first time) oute, initially the contributions of our SAE disciple rather with the shake of the head noted. I have now a very different view of his contributions obtained, they can even entertain.

Here I imagine the following scenario:

This thread is the snack bar and grill Eppendorfer Zizi enters this regularly with "Mahlzeit!" To give us his view of things and the rest of the world to explain. It always goes a keyword (eg Apple, Mac, OSX, etc.) by a declaration of wanting to never tire traction trigger. Not forgotten is the mention of their own ( "World")-PC.

Add me to loosen up every second sentence with "sog'n mo!" and a signature is: "Shut up, I 'evening."

That's quite nice, huh?

Zizi ask more of it - you are my Vista titanium.

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

At MAC we know 100% that everything is working and all the material is synonymous around the world can edit.

So ein scheiß I have never heard!
Will you actually us / me know to make the 95% of all worldwide Windows users Mac format / open files without any problems can circumvent or vice versa?
There is no problems between the Mac and the Mac and have just a few! (5%, not 100)
I have problems every day of my Mac files on a PC to bring .. alone NTFS etc.
@ Axel / KlausZ: peso devaluation is probably your specialty?
I would welcome it with the childish scheiß or stop you in another forum to make one.
It is always annoying and slow beautiful sayings regarding the cheap SAE, etc.

Antwort von motionmanager:

was until recently premiere fan

to ex 1 I book my mac pro purchased since s.anfang premiere XDCAM EX did not support

the first 2 months I am much more annoyed until I s.die characteristics of the mach was accustomed

Now I have to say: cut in HD s.mac per book is perfect!

Of course it is synonymous for everything have a workflow can be found - it takes just s.anfang is laborious and

All in all, I say from the belly out of the mac radio by 30% better for what I need him - so much is he synonymous more :-)

lg chris

Antwort von Axel:

"Zizi" wrote:

Quote:

At MAC we know 100% that everything is working and all the material is synonymous around the world can edit.

If it is likely that I have on both systems must work, I get these things under control, there is no real problem, maybe for you. More generally, the question of compatibility is an issue of the starting point. I work mainly / solely with Windows, it could me the OSX compatibility to be no preference - and vice versa. I myself am likely to decide, for practical reasons to change, but that I did not express enthusiasm for the one or the other system, let alone that I think the greater spread of a car with the same set of higher quality.

My experience with DV and HDV are the way: A Mac is much more willing the foreign material s.als reverse. Eventually, someone who runs?

"Zizi" wrote:

@ Axel / KlausZ: peso devaluation is probably your specialty?

Are mirror synonymous with the achievements that you verabscheust? They are 95% of all human uses, and these are generally happy to be at least of those other optical distinction.

"Zizi" wrote:

... I would welcome it with the childish scheiß or stop you in another forum to make one.
It is always annoying and slow beautiful sayings regarding the cheap SAE, etc.

It is simply inconceivable to me that your contributions are constructive Ernst drafted. I shall take it as constructive aher on Unernst and react accordingly. Nothing is directed against you personally, I wish you all a friendly läs What loves to tease out.

Antwort von Bespi:

"KlausZ" wrote:

@ KlausZ:

1: "collection of unemployed electronics hobbyist," Are you in your second career by chance such a pain on Saturday afternoon Comedian Sat 1?
2. I hope you're not one of those who own the sae have visited, but failed in the first semester are. such people, the sae is the bad reputation thanks. but well, I must admit, synonymous to me and my colleagues like some structures s.der not sae. but we shall see, maybe I come in five years with my master back (to the sae themea was not publicly aneerkannt.)

so I hope I have now expressed without someone to cyber bully.

Antwort von Beatfabrikant:

"motion manager wrote:

What are you using for Programs for the HD editing?

Antwort von KlausZ:

"Bespi" wrote:

1: "collection of unemployed electronics hobbyist," Are you in your second career by chance such a pain on Saturday afternoon Comedian Sat 1?

Continue rates.

"Bespi" wrote:

2. I hope you're not one of those who own the sae have visited, but failed in the first semester are. such people, the sae is the bad reputation thanks. but well, I must admit, synonymous to me and my colleagues like some structures s.der not sae. but we shall see, maybe I come in five years with my master back (to the sae themea was not publicly aneerkannt.)

God forbid .. Although I come from the industry, but with the SAE, I have nothing to do. Allow me here only a ruling, because the reputation of the SAE yes in relevant circles already known. And we are honest, SAE graduates are not just hands Ringed wanted, that has been his reason. Because synonymous changes a state recognized diploma blablup nothing! Anyway I am amazed that the SAE uses on Macs, according to the cry would be a more suitable Vollaustattung s.DOSen.
Eyes on a career in sach ich da nur.

"Sissi" wrote:

@ Axel / KlausZ: peso devaluation is probably your specialty?

So I picked his chance. The did you quite early playful. I trust me more now is not whether you with the number are still available?

Antwort von domain:

The provocative s.der entire infinite history is pretty much in the question s.sich reasons:

"A new PC - or maybe Mac?"

This felt all times anyway entrenched supporters hypermotiviert a "Abdriftenwollenden" before-absolute hell to try to rescue sinking.
Even the normally cool times PM has flag and otherwise entirely uncommon sentiments shown is synonymous only one man.
Meinerseel, we are back in the Stone Age and their Urinstinkten landed, such as: proven to always think and suspicious of all strangers .....

Antwort von DWUA:

@ Slashcam

Are you ( "heidi, rob, rudi, thomas", etc.) of the editorial staff actually
Forum for your deaf and dumb?
There would be from 3 to excuses:
You're sideline as a "profiler" act.
You want to's Book of Records as to quantity instead of quality.
Ye are of the financial crisis Buffeted so that for each of their
Posting as such are grateful.

RSVP

Ps
Halloooo to-awake-en!

;)))

Antwort von Zizi:

Quote:

such a fool ..
this is how you hold on with the Mac thing ..
everything you know or have not made bad!
Just because you come from the industry and of any Mac said spinners can get: SAE is shit, you have still a long way
the experience to do it yourself!
SAE is in my opinion not worth their money!
And the support and 50% of teachers (Vienna) synonymous grotte bad!
But if one really sets into persuasive and fanatically every day reinstrebert the SAE is not a bad choice especially if you quickly become a bachelor or master will come along and work it!
and the statement that people do not necessarily SAE Ringed desperately wanted to be, you need to do to me synonymous times you explain how these sources ..
So the thing I know, all under the Dipom (s.gute get jobs!
at least in Austria ..

Antwort von PowerMac:

I can not prove empirically (from the truth of empirical statements apart), individual qualitative votes but I know. The SAE graduates have come under, they are good workers for EB, editing and motion design. With much animation and compositing may know. But what I would adjust synonymous. But as a director or cameraman? Less. This is synonymous s.der orientation, more animation than the movie. More TV than film.
The directors, scriptwriters and cameramen, which more naturally with the "scenic film" have to do come next mainly of the state film schools. From s.gibt are synonymous and great short films of the SAE. More than elsewhere, one can say SAE 'is what you make of it. "

Antwort von Beatfabrikant:

Fanboys fanboys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come for you .... fanboys fanboys ...... ultralol ^ ^

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