Professional Question: switching to high definition technology
Frage von BenMan999: Dezember 2006
Hi!
Who the value of reading is currently facing the question of existing Beta SP or Digibeta technology to replace what high resolution and how will you be in your company that practically complete format change? Currently, calls to me, no client to HD, all the appropriate times according to the normal 16:9 PAL frame. Nevertheless, I consider, when a change is useful and which technique offers the most features.
Without its own experience, I am against DVCPro HD, because the negative experiences with DVCPro50 for many users of this format to a stimulus word has become. Against XD-Cam, I am, because I do not trust Halbzoll chips anyway and did not like Sony cameras.
I have been very many years of happy users Ikegami, so of course the Editcam HD offering, with most of it but so far in Germany no practical experience. Advantage of tapeless solution would be that you are purchasing an expensive MAZ can save, but only out-and data herschiebt. As an archive medium would be the end of DLT and secure the right solution. I must synonymous in ten years, the images still can use, as I now easily my Beta SP recording of 10 or 15 years ago can play.
The widest distribution has probably HD-Cam, but I honestly admit that I would like to avoid a total of around 120,000 EUR (plus Camera MAZ and new editing system) or if it is synonymous in the results for the half (only camera, editing system and tapeless archiving solution) goes.
Second question: Has the value of eavesdropping, perhaps by someone own tests determined how large is actually the visible difference between the continued use of existing broadcast Lenses and new expensive HD lenses is? Since opinions vary between "It is important to purchase a new lens" to "is hardly". Also yes you could save a further 20,000 EUR.
Small request: This question is directed exclusively s.Profis, so I would be extremely grateful if I have nothing in the responses of HDV needs to read.
Matthias
Antwort von awfulTHEmovie:
Hi Matthias!
I "suffer" in the moment, probably under the same "disease" as du .. synonymous with me has never been a customer asked after HD, and I fear me before, when.
I have so far only with Sonygearbeitet, synonymous am very satisfied with it. On the subject XDcamHD I can tell you more. I have some time before the small 1 / 2 inch version tried, and I can not complain ... synonymous only stop that I 2 / 3 usual bin .... the course notes already. I'm looking forward to my times Systemaustatter the new xdcamhd in my hands to hold (PDW-F350 )...!
According to a report of test creativecow magazines (very worth reading, for download on http://magazine.creativecow.net/downloads.html [issue1!]) Was a longtime VariCam - user so excited that he has purchased of one. Here's a quote:
"We shot several things s.12db just to see how well the camera and MPEG compression would handle it. Once again, we were surprised and pleased with the results. The F350 at 12dB of gain has less noise than the Varicam s.0db, and arguably even less noise than the Varicam at-3db. "
Still one thing: "Much to our surprise, we could not make this camera produce artifacts while recording s.the HQ 35 MB / s rate. The video images from this camera were stunning. And although the color was flat out of the box, we were able to tweak the settings to get what we considered very much a match to the Varicam - But s.higher resolution. The extra 400.000 pixels per CCD are clearly evident in this regard. "
Anyhow ... I will hopefully still with HD by the end of 2008 endure 2007/Mitte .... Then I will most likely switch to XDCAM ... Until then certainly with 2 / 3''. The advantages compared to a memory system for me that I have the same disc can be archived, and on the disk also as my project file can be saved, and at the airport again s.dem Project can continue to work .... At the moment, the discs cost about 30Euro ... This is actually quite favorable ;)...
The lenses can I tell you not to help. But I think if you already have a quality lens, you certainly do not remember Unteschied ...
I hope I have something you can help further.
Schöne Grüße, Robert
Antwort von Markus:
Hello Matthias,
now I get back to your question, which I have already been interested in the whole time, for their discussion, however, I needed something calm. At this time no one calls now, so I'll pick a couple of minutes undisturbed after about future plans can remember. ;-)
"Matthias" wrote:
... how will you be in your company that practically complete format change?
Probably just as I have every format change (from the main current to Hobbyfilmer/Video8 / DVCAM) have completed: Step by Step.
First there was always a new video camera and then withdrew after the editing system. When you jump of analog to digital, many end users of digital video does not play anyway. Just as it looks now synonymous with high-resolution video that is currently often still in a very normal DVDs (SD / PAL) spread. So I will still be first in a new camera and invest later in a suitable video editing system.
"Matthias" wrote:
Nevertheless, I consider, when a change is useful and which technique offers the most features.
When the bill would have been s.sinnvollsten, we usually only noted afterwards. ;-)
Since I HDV due to various features not meet, I thought initially s.einen relatively cheap entry with DVCProHD. My interest was focused on the Panasonic HVX200 with docking harddrive. P2 I considered as a storage media hardly debatable, I would be all the time just s.Wechseln of memory cards. The purchase price of the storage medium aside.
When I camcorder then those in Natura saw, I knew of nothing to me. I found him to be a hand-held camera is too big and too heavy. And to him on a tripod to make the part would not be so compact (larger units have more synonymous direct switch, which I menu functions compared to prefer). So I finally turned the camera on the shoulder - and thus a whole new price range.
The focus was now XDCAM HD, which is based on Professional Disc recording. A first view of the F350-SonyPDW and whose images I found equally impressive as the purchase price. (Originally, I had times with 10 n.gerechnet). The F330 tells me, for various reasons not to be synonymous. Alternatively, a colleague suggested to me the Panasonic AJ-HDX900, which I obviously synonymous closer installations.
A study of the specifications of XDCAM HD and DVCProHD times brought benefits for the camera, for the other times. I seemed to be the same as elsewhere in the area Kaufberatung so often asked question of the best 250 ¬-disposable camcorder: You get the features of the different devices are not together, but only in a package with other pros and cons.
As an advantage for XDCAM HD, I see the relatively long recording time of up to one hour per storage media and the optional storage on Professional Disc Panasonics AJ-HDX900 provides a conventional video tape only (!) 33 minutes, but stands in DVCProHD on which 4:2:2 is compressed. XDCAM HD s.dieser comes only with a 4:2:0-Farbsampling therefore, just as consumer HDV. The relative brightness Resolutionder but again: Sonynimmt 1440 × 1080 pixels (as HDV2 synonymous), Panasonic is limited here to 1280 × 1080, but in turn each picture individually (100 Mbit / s) and not as MPEG2 picture group ( up to 35 Mbit / s) compressed.
For the HDX900 speak remains at three 2 / 3 "image converter (Sony: 3x 1 / 2" - whether this really is a real drawback?). Panasonic is synonymous additional host species such as 720/50p, is to my knowledge but without viewfinders and without Optics offered. These two parts would be for a price that is it. The F350 would only (!) A Optics added the Viewfinder (an ordinary) is already there.
After many days and weeks of weighing I currently tend to XDCAM HD. Reason: Resolutiondes The video image is identical with HDV2 so that an input for other production companies, the only HDV use is possible. Likewise, I can extraneous material, without prior scaling in my own projects. Finally, the new camera in most areas
Antwort von r.p. television:
Tend to be very synonymous XD CAM HD. Currently have a DSR-500 and work synonymous to 90% with it. But just like waiting until you really worthwhile jobs, which call for HD. Until then, I have for small orders and to experience first privately synonymous with HD to collect a XL H1 (HDV) purchased, although still far from being a professional camera, but the but somewhat close. With the purchase of an XD CAM (no preference to which model will it be) I am so waiting will probably still be a good year, because not even sure what the HD format at the stations and other media synonymous with acceptance. Probably it will be 1080i. Because many have TV sets and receivers, which support this standard. But who can guarantee today ....? I also hope to XD CAM with variable frame rate (should be yes for tapeless record not a big problem). True slow motion would be a useful feature. That would be synonymous to me some more Euros worth. Also frightening is the very high price for an XD CAM HD Recorder. Sure you can MPEG2 files on the hard drive to archive or to the Professional Disc itself but how one carries out a customer s.HD monitor before the master? S.Flachbildschirm connect your camcorder? No elegant solution ... Maybe you can so until shortly lossless master to the Blue-Ray store. This would be synonymous to market and boost the demand for HD with the same. I will in any case the market another year watching, because a bad question can be fatal. If you want to have noticed that you have a system bogged down in the mire s.Hals has to know the other synonymous and can no longer sell. The best example are the various camcorder D series (D1, D2, D5 or how they are all awaiting.). Since the camcorder has been five years for not even a twentieth of their Neupreis sold, sometimes at Ebay.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"rp television" wrote:
I hope to XD CAM with variable frame rate ... real slow motion would be a useful feature.
The PDW-F350 has a variable frame rate of at least 1 B / s to 60 B / s and a rather handsome slow motion (as well as Time Lapse). I remember s.einen Beispielclip with sled dogs running in slow motion, which looked very good.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von awfulTHEmovie:
"Mark" wrote:
At the risk that I am back days and weeks with search and could spend offs: What reasons speak in accordance with the previously mentioned aspects for Editcam HD?
I can tell you unfortunately do not know whether what the Editcam HD speaks, as I nor you can say whether what is generally for the concept Editcam speaks. I know of only one, since several years with a Editcam 2 (totally without problems) works, it is someone who not only makes movies, but even synonymous Ikegami cameras sold. And a Editcam HD is just as yet nowhere in Germany.
What I exactly but you can say: That I boundless confidence Ikegami cameras have. Because of me you can not otherwise synonymous ask, because I work this year, exactly half my life with Ikegami cameras: With 17 years I have regularly with an HC-230 (remote and Betacam SP Recorder BVW-35 and BVW -50) rotated, with 20 regularly with an HC-300 and docked BVV-5, with 23 Finally I have my HC-390 and a docked BVV-5 and bought himself so worked up today, and now I will be 34 soon . Me, the Ikegami cameras not once abandoned, is not synonymous under peculiar conditions.
To be valid until today: Who is free in his decision is, buys Ikegami. Therefore, these cameras for free producers and cameramen as a high spread. They just make the best pictures are s.robustesten, and every cameraman, I know, if he himself synonymous with Sony (or even Panasonic) must rotate enthuses of Ikegami. These cameras are just across the industry unantasbar good reputation, so you have to say, it rotates with Ikegami, no other issues to worry about.
Specifically for Editcam: A Ikegami camera with two chips, a B4 lens mount and a hard disks or hard disk recording in the Avid DNxHD format already sounds very tempting, if it is a concept for long-term archiving of data ausdenkt. But I have no idea how much the list price of EUR 44,000 is negotiable, because I always only verhandele specifically, if I actually want to buy.
The B4-Mount synonymous, it would allow me, my Canon Lens J15ax8B4IRS (with dual-extender) re. This is a broadcast-quality optics, when I would be interested in, whether it with the higher resolution comes clear. Because otherwise would be for an HD-Optics yes again around 20,000 EUR is due.
Matthias
Antwort von r.p. television:
@ bernd: Thanks for the hint. Be an old PDF document. Because of the variable is framerate explicitly for slow motion and Time lapse nothing there. Just hope there is then an intermediate thing between 350 and 330, because I really do not need HD-SDI output, the price at the camera but a role play ....
Antwort von r.p. television:
Oh, and because of Optics: Have already several of isolated problems with optics ELDERLY broadcast heard (what one sees among older, I can now synonymous but not define). The real problem was not about the basic measurement and compensation of the optics, but that the optics älterenen not yet sufficient for a 16:9 scanning were optimized. In the SD area, this deficiency can not be visible. Although they show only minimal vignetting, but with HD enhanced chromatic aberrations in the horizon edge up to light, radial Randunschärfen, but even in the outer fifth picture can go. The extent to which these newer SD-optics relates somehow None really knows, because it simply and easily test and s.Erfahrung goods missing. Do this two distribution of people (probably, therefore, have exchanged several optics) is one without it but even to have seen.
Antwort von PowerMac:
I do not know what speaks against the HDX900. DVCProHD on tape is pretty good.
Antwort von awfulTHEmovie:
"PowerMac" wrote:
I do not know what speaks against the HDX900. DVCProHD on tape is pretty good.
Recently, I have some footage of this camera view and must say that it really does not look bad. However, such a solution requires in addition to the course after a Camera MAZ s.Schnittplatz, which then again the same as the cost camcorder. Somehow I could not so much so that friends, the Camera as a player to use.
Also would be to clarify what B lens mount the mill, because there is only "bayonet." And finally, are very many people through the problems with DVCPro DVCPro50 and annoyed, so it is doubtful whether one in the industry so that a good level, if something is synonymous companies or broadcasters s.andere there. And by the way: I find even the small cassette annoying because you can label as bad. They are not so extremely small as mini-DV or DAT, but lower than Beta.
Matthias
Antwort von Markus:
"Bernd E." wrote:
I remember s.einen Beispielclip with sled dogs running in slow motion ...
I have two of the slow SonyF350 seen: A woman runs s.Strand -> looked good (I only have the picture ;-) respected and an illuminated carousel -> did not look good wg. Interlace problems. But I do nothing about the genesis of those slow motion pictures learned remains just an impression.
"Matthias" wrote:
But I have no idea how much the list price of EUR 44,000 is negotiable ...
Certainly not far enough. 44 n.ist not the price range in which I currently buy Camera wanted / could.
"rp television" wrote:
The extent to which these newer SD-optics concerns ...
I guess hard times, for the Camera and so synonymous formats for which the respective determined Optics and was in use. 16:9, there is not a new HD.
Antwort von awfulTHEmovie:
"Mark" wrote:
I guess hard times, for the Camera and so synonymous formats for which the respective determined Optics and was in use. 16:9, there is not a new HD.
No, the problem is not s.breiten Picture. With normal 16:9 Lenses easily and clearly it shortens the focal synonymous not this happens only when a non-switchable switchable Camera Lens s.eine expands and then turns into 4:3 in this case there is a certain loss s.Weitwinkeligkeit.
The problem really lies in the physical Resolutiondes lens system. Supposedly a normal broadcast Lens not sufficiently high optical Resolutionliefern to the full HD resolution One-camera use. And as I wonder just how the effects in practice and how the difference doll fails.
Matthias
Antwort von Markus:
"Matthias" wrote:
Supposedly a normal broadcast Lens not sufficiently high optical Resolutionliefern to the full HD resolution One-camera use.
Let's see if this is still someone with personal experience comments. A dealer would have more interest, the more expensive HD-Optics to sell, rather than that an existing SD-Optics continue.
Antwort von r.p. television:
I've obviously already optics meant that synonymous for 16:9 were suitable, but not for HD. The errors of me just came on in HD. But it seemed to reinforce the impression that the extra chip area sampled in real 16:9 not as optimal as were illuminated at 4:3. When did it stop SD None noticed .... Ultimately, it is then of course so that the physical Resolutionder SD Optics is not enough. It probably relates mainly to the periphery. Did this information, but of two independent sales people. The extent to which they told me this information with the intent verklickert have to give me maybe a more expensive HD Lens anzudrehen is obviously speculative, but imagine ;-(
Antwort von Jürgen F:
Hello Matthias
... "Without your own experience, I am against DVCPro HD, because the negative experiences with DVCPro50 for many users of this format to a stimulus word has become."
Sorry, who said because such a nonsense?
Viele Grüße Jürgen F
Antwort von awfulTHEmovie:
"Jürgen F" wrote:
Sorry, who said because such a nonsense?
Since when can you or MDR synonymous in ARD Berlin Studio ask. I do not know anyone who does not prefer to work with Digibeta.
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
Beyond a certain degree it is esoteric. I prefer working with DVCPRO50. The editing is so fast. Digibeta is a lot more expensive, but less fit m. M., in the "computerized" TV world.
I can say now synonymous, the IMX is much cooler ... One must distinguish between a technical format and a camera head. Any synonymous, the DVCAM has 2 / 3 "chips and Signal Processing of 790er Digibeta and the Picture looks despite moderate DVCAM recording pretty good.
Antwort von Jan:
"PowerMac" wrote:
Any synonymous, the DVCAM has 2 / 3 "chips and Signal Processing of 790er Digibeta and the Picture looks despite moderate DVCAM recording pretty good.
Well the new 400 P & DSR 450 WSP?
VG Jan
Antwort von robbie:
yes, the 450er who I ... I must say the picture quality is, for DVCAM, echt der hammer! I always come to me stupid to the sender in the DVCAM-band must, but in the finished production can remember (on normal TVs ...) really absolutely no difference to 970er (IMX) ...
Yesterday I had the chance times the 350er xdcamhd to test the material and then synonymous on different devices to be ... I must say, not bad, I'm surprised synonymous .. I like slow motion, I must say ... practical, especially that I can see results immediately ... he plays auto synonymous already in "normal" speed from !.... 32Mbit/sec ... this frightens me a little from hd ... :(... But it was no problem! No artifacts or dropouts, even when the camera is extremely fast moving ... and for example, a passing truck in drive with about 50, to an extreme reißschwenk ... no artefacts ... the 1 / 3''are perhaps a little getting used to, man must be content to play around length less depth of field to get ....
well, as I said (as a guest, above), one-two of years I will still wait ...
beautiful day! robert
Antwort von MichaSpr:
"PowerMac" wrote:
Beyond a certain degree it is esoteric. I prefer working with DVCPRO50. The editing is so fast. Digibeta is a lot more expensive, but less fit m. M., in the "computerized" TV world.
There could be but all gray, blue, yellow and green tape on the same machine and play, that's a very fine thing. DVCPro50 island is always a solution and by mechanical fragility of many users failed.
But I will certainly DVCPro HD in mind.
Matthias
Antwort von camworks:
"Anonymous" wrote:
DVCPro50 island is always a solution and by mechanical fragility of many users failed.
the mechanical susceptibility (I guess you think the tapes) falls in DVCPRO HD so away, so far, the argument for me no more. archive can be found on dlt or perhaps later on BluRay / hddvd. But this should have exact details of how long the disks hold the data. If this is as dvd and cd, then it would in the worst case after 5 years since the first reading. not exactly ideal for archiving ...
Incidentally, s.die professionals: meldet euch doch mal at www.hot-eb.de now! We look forward to each new user, so a little more life into the coming bude :-)
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"camworks" wrote:
the mechanical susceptibility (I guess you think the tapes) falls in DVCPRO HD yes away
Why this? DVCProHD can use the same tapes as DVCPro and DVCPro50. Or do you think s.den special case P2?
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von MichaSpr:
"camworks" wrote:
Incidentally, s.die professionals: meldet euch doch mal at www.hot-eb.de now! We look forward to each new user, so a little more life into the coming bude :-)
I have occasionally come reingeschaut and only up to a certain point, namely the choice of three different forums, but not next. Are there any posts in it already? Also that you always need to scroll down because the "head" up as much area set aside, is not very reader-friendly.
Matthias
Antwort von MichaSpr:
"camworks" wrote:
Incidentally, s.die professionals: meldet euch doch mal at www.hot-eb.de now! We look forward to each new user, so a little more life into the coming bude :-)
da schau ich ja eh s.and to pure, aba da is halt grad so little going on: '(
Antwort von camworks:
"Bernd E." wrote:
"camworks" wrote:
the mechanical susceptibility (I guess you think the tapes) falls in DVCPRO HD yes away
Why this? DVCProHD can use the same tapes as DVCPro and DVCPro50. Or do you think s.den special case P2?
Gruß Bernd E.
yes, I think. tape work for eb in my opinion not as good. there will always be hectic around if you have files directly, you need not only to capture. zb can easily create NEN server and of the editorial / synonymous average over large distances suck.
Antwort von camworks:
"Anonymous" wrote:
"camworks" wrote:
Incidentally, s.die professionals: meldet euch doch mal at www.hot-eb.de now! We look forward to each new user, so a little more life into the coming bude :-)
da schau ich ja eh s.and to pure, aba da is halt grad so little going on: '(
yes, if everyone just looks and writes None what is the synonymous any longer so. this (camera-) discussion would have been just as there can lead synonymous. ;-)
Antwort von camworks:
"Anonymous" wrote:
"camworks" wrote:
Incidentally, s.die professionals: meldet euch doch mal at www.hot-eb.de now! We look forward to each new user, so a little more life into the coming bude :-)
I have occasionally come reingeschaut and only up to a certain point, namely the choice of three different forums, but not next. Are there any posts in it already? Also that you always need to scroll down because the "head" up as much area set aside, is not very reader-friendly.
Matthias
So, there's no question foreninger or - under foreninger contributions and there are several synonymous drin. But you absolutely must register by the operator manual and free running. the board operator wants only professionals have there (in the sense of cameramen, assistants, technicians, etc., not a hobby movies - there are already enough forums).
Antwort von Jürgen F:
"Anonymous" wrote:
"Jürgen F" wrote:
Sorry, who said because such a nonsense?
Since when can you or MDR synonymous in ARD Berlin Studio ask. I do not know anyone who does not prefer to work with Digibeta.
Matthias
Hello Matthias, maybe you have forgotten all the user in 'Europe's biggest TV-prison! " , And the MDR, and the SWR, and at Radio Bremen ... .. Other, and to ask me. The DVCPRO format is not an island solution. Solo Cup WM2006 has shown how widespread the format in the world. But how can you see with a question about the future of HD format in the forum here quickly degenerate and your real question remains on the line. You write - you're a pro, not like Sony XDCAM Cameras (HD)-HDCAM is too expensive, did DVC PRO HD with no experience and with a liebäugelst IKEGAMI. Then there is only one choice: EDITCAM HD with its own codec. A pity that there is only this codec and gives no further - that is, an "island solution". Then you need another AVID Nitris to post the material. Thus, everyone in the industry with the providers and formats its own experiences. We had one of 1992-2002 IKEGAMI HLV55 because I could never ending stories about the reliability of telling - perhaps a Monday device. Since 2002, we shoot and edit DVC PRO 25/50-4: 3 / 16: 9 - without any problems. Since we rotate one years requirement for HD Cam and HD DCVPRO, just as the customer have - or would like further. With the best experience. However, one can say: there is not the "eierlegendewollmilchsau". Nocht not. But with the next step in the IT-video world, if MXF files are compatible and interchangeable. The desire for a camcorder format for SD and HD for 720/25p/50p and 1080/50i and 1080/25p - perhaps even with variable Framrate - should soon come true. Of course, the investment, the customer must pay synonymous. If I say that? However, the times of the analog tape material are soon gone. We will work hard to get used SD cards, BR discs and DLT tapes to archive. These are currently still the biggest problems. Not the size but the archive. (Ps Also BetaSP tapes should be after 10 years umkopieren.)
The thing with the old lenses for the HD format is quite simple: Let your 15x8 Fuji Optics but on a HD projector for testing with the relevant supplier / distributor for a few euro check, then you shall see that the lenses from the 90s for years, only 4:3 chips were designed. To the question: now with HD convert? Quite easy to answer. If you work in the current News-EB ect, then yes to 16:9, HD, but much later. If you work for agencies, industry, advertising, documentaries, then immediately HD, because for every job in SD annoys you in 3 years that they have not been rotated in HD. Matthias, you can now make your decision.
Viele Grüße Jürgen F.
Antwort von MichaSpr:
Much is there, unfortunately, have not stop going on - maybe because this forum can not even read it without having to be registered?
Antwort von camworks:
which has its base, because it is synonymous with no anxious times the truth about a production company can be written. public would be directly from the post times rechtsanwalt get.
Antwort von MichaSpr:
And you think that this warning before any protection? Only because that is where a guest can not read? Since I had my doubts.
Antwort von camworks:
no idea, I am not the admin. of us, the users during the transition so well founded.
Antwort von MichaSpr:
"camworks" wrote:
no idea, I am not the admin. of us, the users during the transition so well founded.
I've just logged on and there was then no further requests an hour later released, I could theoretically be any. More than my (anonymous GMX-) mail address and my username does not know of me.
But I'm still not convinced whether there is enough traffic form. The forums are too confusing and you really must click after every first down scroll up because so many "head" is. And as the name suggests, is there in the few existing posts to the concerns and needs of daily news work, that is exactly what I have ten years ago have quit.
In other words, I feel like there angenervt like here if synonymous for other reasons. Here, because of the questions and all layperson Cheap technology, Jammerei there because of the low fees ...
Well, but in an ideal forum for me, I probably would only talk with myself ... :-)
Matthias
Antwort von camworks:
could be. ;-) I did too much with the head area now criticizes. there is now a banner zwischengerutscht (so it will be even higher). hmpf.
Antwort von Jan:
There are synonymous other professionals on a daily basis for good work, I had already written the very few of them here or preference which is no forum there. But you must say it is your profession Eber, then you should actually be synonymous professionals!
Successful crews have enough work, and only very few have time for such a forum, at least I was allowed to know.
Yes I heard in Berlin looks very bad, here in Munich and surrounding area but the situation is better, at least according to the camera men I know.
The majority of those studying in such a forum synonymous nothing more - are much as a next Internet - angel adequate professional users here.
If such a forum, then it is up to a small exchange of experience with the device or small ne shoptalk. So many, but since you will not find it.
Yes, the annoying Amateur & Semi halt synonymous questions need be answered, therefore, synonymous or grade Slashcam therefore lives.
I agree with you but you Matthias for some better posts Outline action might it can not be: 1 Betacam SP issue, including 300 ¬ Camera, including Edius or AVID, which is 50 ¬ including Micro, a division - before posting forum in 1st Amateur, 2 and 3rd Semi Pro - would require a fundamental order.
VG Jan
Antwort von MichaSpr:
"Jan" wrote:
Successful crews have enough work, and only very few have time for such a forum, at least I was allowed to know.
For me it is yet again, I do so only complete film, so I am not every day outdoors on, but cut much synonymous inside, acquire, or make texte accounting, and since then in between you can already write something. My way of working is easy on the nerves and makes more profit left over, so that one has more leisure. Very pleasant.
Matthias
Antwort von MichaSpr:
@ Jan Once a favorable, even controversial opinions. You're right when you say that full-time professionals in their spare time to unlikely before the goggle-box, in order to purchase or to tips Life advice to complete. Since then have no desire to do so. (After a production, for example, "The first 100 days of Minister "in front, behind, beside this there ennen, - always the" Angler " must be careful of, not into its Micro Picture to hang -- in tow, are constantly under stress to get the best images to make the box, whose optics, the Batteries to check ... in the certainty that of one (1) shooting in 45 minutes contribution, if any, is 1-2 minutes left?) Of which can not be helped, unless you know them personally and then good.
The difference between interesting and uninteresting "Posts" for a course you can see the left in blue letters in light blue box. Should really informative enough.
@ Matthias
Nice that you have a pleasant working atmosphere searched. We always thought that the liberal stances under more stress than the public service (see example above) "employees"!
Only a small note on your main thread: A simple (old model) cost approximately 45 000 (housing), one of the Approximately twice the optics. Without else. Brand and model are not specified, because it is in the price - klasse barely large variations regarding the quality difference. Any preferences when handling. (In any case, neither the sender nor TV-end consumers of interest.)
Why zuvoreilender obedience to the industry? And their advertising. If even TVSendeanstalten wait? (have).
Power but your customers credibly true that we always have to Is hypes, on which no reasonable person jumps, if you do not know where and how they end.
What "new", OffTopic, anyone? For those who have not read: Hybrid disc of Warner. "Total HD disc," According to the New York Times, next Tuesday in Las Vegas (CES) are presented. Source: www.heute.de> computer.
Dear Matthias, with your decision support application via the Internet will You (not just here) to be left alone. At your place, we would s.Profis contact and the nerves;)
Antwort von DWUA:
Dear Jan, dear Matthias. Apologies, once again not been logged. So here afterwards.
Antwort von Jan:
The questions of the right 250 ¬ camcorder (I'll give to actually participate as a meaningful issue-free) are synonymous, but fairly well frequented.
I come from the holding camp amateur, that's why I post there often. Work but now mostly with the semi Class (FX 7 & PD 170), sometime maybe times with a professional camera 20000 ¬. If you have a transmitter is employed, you probably do not forcibly s.einer Betacam or HD Cam gone ...
VG Jan
Antwort von Markus:
Hey, this is indeed true discussion! Apparently there are still some who are of higher quality with technology. :-)
"camworks" wrote:
tape work for eb in my opinion not as good. there will always be hectic around if you have files directly, you need not only to capture. zb can easily create NEN server and of the editorial / synonymous average over large distances suck.
My dealer was just as beneficial for XDCAM HD to what I think but for eyewash. Who forbids me because, not to already DVCAM capture, the files on the server and set if necessary "of somewhere" retrieve? The file size for HD is not so small ...
"Jürgen F." wrote:
However, the times of the analog tape material are soon ...
The days of analog tape material are already gone. ;-) And to digital tape material, I have no principled aversion. After all, the tape storage over many decades of sophisticated techniques.
Antwort von Jürgen F.:
Hi Markus,
... None prevents you from DVCAM material to the plate to save it. Only does it when dubbed in 1:1 mode instead. So no native materials such as XDCAM or P2 via Firewire or USB. But as I tell nothing new. In the current business - EB and News - is the access to files ... is no longer away to think. Also in HD productions can quickly spot or in the hotel offers an evening Grobschnitt or on the test laptop Watch and judge.
"... The days of analog tape are numbered," I have a user with Matthias on the way, since he is still with beta turns and on the lookout for an HD investments is (or was). I think the forum has the Matthias properly and helped materially to the decision. Or?
Regards, Jürgen F.
Antwort von Markus:
"Jürgen F." wrote:
I think the forum has the Matthias properly and helped materially to the decision. Or?
Definitely. ;-)
I think it's always good synonymous, different opinions and viewpoints to be heard / read, because in such a price range may be only a few make any misjudgment. Since you should still need better sleep. * * chrrr
Antwort von MichaSpr:
"Jürgen F." wrote:
I think the forum has the Matthias properly and helped materially to the decision. Or?
Exactly. I remain still a few years at Beta SP ... :-)
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
If you have your material s.den husband bringest ...
Antwort von MichaSpr:
"PowerMac" wrote:
If you have your material s.den husband bringest ...
Sure, that's the great thing: My Client are interested in little technical background. Where it is enough if the movies are nice and they liked them. In the case of public tenders is usually synonymous Beta SP or Digibeta called s.HD nobody thinks there. So, at first everything fine. And yet if someone asks, I must also see to it that the same volume is so large that the investment is immediately calculated.
Matthias
Antwort von DWUA:
Hello, PM,
Good luck in the new year!
We want without cynicism / sarcasm a good-night story Recommend: From the year 2001! "The syndrome ... DV and Beta SP (1)"
www.slashcam.de> Articles / Reports ....
Is it beautiful, right?
Good night!
Antwort von PowerMac:
Okay, how about with the HPX2100? 2 / 3. "Fairly light-sensitive. Spree Free Super Gain. DVCProHD with 100MBit on P2 cards and alternative HD recorder. 25/24/60/30 switchable. 720p/1080i.
An HD-WW there is practical. I guess a whole under 60,000 euros.
Antwort von Markus:
"PowerMac" wrote:
... HPX2100? 2 / 3 "...
Maybe I should at Christmas 2007 and wish all the time to announce ... otherwise the Bescherung again a disappointment as 2006! And since I had only a small desired XDCAM HD. ;-)
