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Question of oink-oink:
Februar 2009
Hello forum members!
Since I am almost the whole night in your forum've spent, I am now but at times you must be logged in and say, nice and competent forum you have here! =)
Now to my question / advice I need.
I have been about 3 years, owner of a JVC GR-DVX400EG, but this is slowly becoming "boring" and I need something new, is my JVC MiniDV and I think it is better of when I first say that I would remain loyal to this format , eigtl wanted to change HDD but after tonight I drüber much've read here, I am but then mind.
The thing is, for my new "Project" I would like the long-ne Cam can, because I like to use as Snorricam want, but practically on the back of the torso, because I so badly tape itself can change, or whether seh the Battery is empty, the question is whether it is not something other than MiniDV eligible COULD! The is mainly only used for hobby and this is paintball and airsoft, and it just with 0.5x Wide Angle Converter, because I did the video in retrospect still synonymous bit will edit, I think everything falls apart from the MiniDV Choice .... or what do you? What I still would be important would be a ne LineIn for external optics, ie ne helmet camera or just something you hire s.den barrel of the weapon mounted kannn, and thus in the backpack can also ... my question about whether I for my Claims Accessory shoe and MicIn would need, because I even can not be assessed. The flat is only 90% for this type of recording is required, and to 10% then he goes on vacation with times at home or on film. It is synonymous abe played much in houses and therefore I think is the aperture number synonymous not to be ignored, I'm possessive eienr DSLR but I know now in the segment is no longer made.
My budget is 350-400 euros Max.
Thanks in advance Hannes gruß
Reply Shiranai:
... because I did the video in retrospect still synonymous bit will edit, I think everything falls apart from the MiniDV Choice .... or what do you?
Why? SD Card Camcorder to take into MPEG2. This format is actually quite good and will handle any editing of program support. Above all, the user can avoid the cumbersome and slow Rüberspielen on the PC.
I would you for your hobby actually more likely to recommend a card camcorders, as this because of the solid components is less vulnerable to shocks react. (As you already have correctly identified, for example a hard disk camcorder totally unsuitable for your application, because the cam quite often synonymous times can fall, what hard drive is fatal).
Reply oink-oink:
thank you ever ... well, tonight was night NEN thread here in the forums read that HDD and DVD camcorder yes but no more with the quality of MiniDV able, envisaged that initially, I had this Cam:
http://www.chip.de/artikel/Vergleichstest-kompakte--4_32170383.html
Hat zwar keinen Schuh, aber sie hat in vielen Zeitungen and Magazinen schon gut abgeschnitten and liegt sehr gut im budget, with einer aufnahmezeit of 5-6 Stunden bei hoher Qualität war sie eigtl meiner Meinung ne relativ Gute wahl...aber ich bin mir halt nich sicher...and wie verhält sich das Thema wenn ich die Videos beider Cams mische beim schneiden, also of meinem JVC MiniDv camcorder and einem "nicht MiniDV " camcorder. UNd Mpeg2 soll da doch eher nich so dolle sein oder irre mich da??
der Thread,der meine Meinung geändert hat war dieser hier:
http://www.slashcam.de/info/-bis-500----- MiniDV or DVD - 159325.html
And well, when Chip.de was synonymous not just "buying" the times I've viewed closer ...
Yes dear Würd synonymous with what storage media are, instead of a cassette, even for the 90 minutes of recording time ...
But what's as good in the budget for the "memory camcorders"
I'm schconmal extent, which is EIGTL. only sony, Canon and Panasonic should be ... drum wollt ich mal ne opinion about the JVC hear.
thank you in advance ... gruß hannes
edit: ich seh grad, the thread I've posted is of 2006 xD xD
Reply Shiranai:
On-chip I ever würd not give too much.
In fact, the JVC but no worse, so he is in the upper midfield.
With a hard drive may be a case or a severe shock, but in the worst case of the write / read the disk unusable scratch.
How would it be with the Canon FS10/FS11 or FS100? This Flash-based tests are available in many places at first.
The digital quality of the DV rankommen not I find a rumor. Both put on different encoding methods and DV is ultimately something less lossy - what the normal user I think I normally do not is noticeable.
From a DVD, I would advise you but synonymous. Too many disadvantages and DVD Cams None today buys more.
Reply oink-oink:
I broke my last night ever viewed these models especially the FS 10 and FS 100 are exactly to my taste!
Would like to have other thoughts on the two hearing devices (FS 10 FS 100) and was eigtl. the biggest difference between them?
but thanks for the tip and the Enlightenment in terms of quality of the recording mediums!
Again something smarter.
Then prefer the Canons of the above before I JVC straddling?
grüße hannes
Reply Shiranai:
There are only differences in the internal memory. The FS10 has 8 GB and the FS11 16 GB s.Bord. Technically, all 3 I think the same.
So I would be the Canon JVC vorziehn.
Reply Jan:
And new models are synonymous already s.Markt ....
VG
Jan
Reply oink-oink:
hmpf .... the Canon have no filter thread .... which means falling flat, as with the most important point is because of the wide-angle converter.
Is it to hire a similarly good device that you could recommend me? but many thanks again.
Reply Kabelträger:
Look at times
Reply oink-oink:
You searched the thread but closely or?
Look up a budget .... and there are unfortunately keien 2300 Euro verplant ....
Please for more models, so the Canon models are sometimes not shown at least the ... Magazine wlche can because then I do recommend me something smart.
Except someone still had one or two devices I mentioned in the Choice with pure could buy, thanks.
gruß hannes
Reply Jan:
I think the MG 330 & 331 is a good choice in the classroom, especially for large film. The problem "hard drive" is synonymous in my discretion to poorly made. I have to give me trouble, to find a customer, A - in which a defective hard drive, or B-movie film of the normal level could not absorb.
Then, however, but means "hurry", as the 2008 330 for much longer on the market, as the successor to MG 630 already on the market.
MG 630 but well costs 150 ¬ more, but you get a bigger hard drive, and only small improvements.
Synonymous JVC has a new main processor, JVC noted, however, that more of the processor for lower power consumption is less for greatly improved picture quality.
MG 645 is but the first 576i PAL Camera with HDMI Output! Sensation - whether this cable the 720x576er Resolutionam HD TV shows will be better - we will see.
At Panasonic, we must await the winner of Video Active (H 40) there is not much longer - the new H 80 is already in the stores.
Whether the 70X optical zoom with a small 1 / 8 "sensor tolerated - that the tests show.
First Sonybringt synonymous with flash memory for cameras out of the 576i PAL market - SX 20 (with 4GB built-in memory) - Tests are not so many ...
VG
Jan
Reply Jan:
According to Consumer magazines I would not ask this forum because it will be "hate speech" is. One you have mentioned, another well-known magazines, I just.
VG
Jan
Reply oink-oink:
OK, but then the JVC, thank you and all other ... werd dann mal NEN test in the field to write ^ ^
grüße hannes
Reply Shiranai:
I think the MG 330 & 331 is a good choice in the classroom, especially for large film. The problem "hard drive" is synonymous in my discretion to poorly made. I have to give me trouble, to find a customer, A - in which a defective hard drive, or B-movie film of the normal level could not absorb.
Yes for normal shooting is a hard drive is certainly not bad, in the case of OINK-OINK (shooting paintball and airsoft) must, however, you have to think over it. I think the danger that the Cam or fall times because of his story is taken is very high. And if you're unlucky, the hard drive and then over the recordings, too.
Reply oink-oink:
Shiranai Hey, your concerns are not ill, as you say, the Cam is eigtl 99% used for airsoft, paintball, I just with hingeschrieben, if no one was with the hobby / word "Airsoft" can begin, and to 1% would times they go on holiday with.
The cam is synonymous not s.der hand operated but as Snorricam:
for image
=) Just not quite sone krasse Cam, as in the example picture, and not as an exaggerated Rig. Rig itself is still built designs are already there and is planning, but at the back of our Snorricam (about 50-70cm) filmed, so synonymous the wide converter that I can be closer s.den body with the camcorder and not so much survived from the rig to the rear above did, because I play at times synonymous am in houses.
gruß hannes
Reply Jan:
If a camera of any kind gets dropped - it goes to 90% not broke? (Except for the Panasonic SW 20 & 21)
VG
Jan
Reply Cam0309:
I get up in front of the problem and I feel just as with the wide angle. Think it is very important. I was present at SATURN and got my Kodak V705 kept apart and the various images on the display and comparison was appalled by the low Wide Angled. At 23 mm was not a match with the Kodak but synonymous with 39 mm Kodak was my better. The FS100 I was not tingling, slurred Picture in pans, the Kodak was again better. But perhaps it's yes or s.Monitor? Only the SonySR75E was better, however, synonymous with bad wide. But this has at least one of the threads and Sonyist synonymous not so expensive. Now I think about this or the new SR77E to buy.
BTW: HDD will probably not last forever synonymous on the market. The future is SD. It is so synonymous soon a new format type p.64 GB. However, the with the dropping, I see not so critical. Most camera models should probably primarily Optics s.der damage.
Reply Jan:
Do today's new flash memory JVC MS 120 and the harddrive will receive 630 MG.
There are very few changes like a second record button s.LCD. And the camera is now on auto, if the LCD is opened (of course, synonymous - if the LCD is closed).
Export button for immediate transfer to a media player (I Tunes) zb I Pod is synonymous new.
The MG 630 has a small synonymous Led lighting, which at the request synonymous car - which was a light at the predecessor MG 330 & 331 still not there.
The rest I have already described above.
HDD cameras will no longer give Canon has no more (2009), JVC in 2-3 years no longer synonymous.
Even well-known companies such as Verbatim now have 32 GB SDHC cards for up to 89 ¬ presented - as is clear - early = Flashmemory future.
Yes, many companies are about 40 mm wide, some even at 44 mm. There are few consumer like Panasonic in the area are 36 mm. Has always been a problem.
VG
Jan
Reply Cam0309:
Hi Jan,
the two cameras but are brand new. But intent lenses, there is not, right? JVC synonymous silent about the battery life from. So I can see at present no alternative to the Sony. Where synonymous priced at the same level as the JVC MG630.
Again on the hard drive. Whether these devices in two years yet there is no preference, because you do not like cards, printers and other consumer goods replenishment needs.
Reply oink-oink:
And the camera is now on auto, if the LCD is opened (of course, synonymous - if the LCD is closed).
Quite a bad feature, in my opinion.
I am someone who has the Cam synonymous for example when it has skateboarding and with or just fishauge weitwinkel filming, and shooting when I leave the monitor is always synonymous with ...
So synonymous with the airsoft, if I as the Cam Snorricam use, Willich, that the cam behind me closed without open display films, because it can always pass the ball s.der ne abprallt wall and the display schrottet, the balls have no God so much violence as a ball at paintball, but I think the display would still get broken when I see the Optics but rather gelassen.da nothing would happen.
regards
Reply Jan:
The new JVC MS 120 has with a second SDHC card slot synonymous of good ideas.
@ Cam0309 - they are from the previous year
GL V 0730 (0.7 x) and GL AT 30 (1.4 x) or with third with 30.5, he tapped.
The 2008 JVC cameras were so good about 1h on (flash memory) and 45 min (hard drive). Since the MS 120 and the 630er a new CPU have built, since one could expect an improvement. JVC speaks of almost 1 / 3 less power consumption so s.Ende = higher battery life - thanks to the new Gigabrid Premium. I had no time yet to check.
Good SonySR the 35 was 2008, mostly sold PAL HDD Camera in Germany, so many tests (eg active video), she was picture but did not praise - it's become Letzter behind MG 330 / 331 H Panasonic and 40th
I am synonymous still not sure if the new SR 37 is better because s.ihr synonymous only small changes were made.
The new Flash memory SonySX 20, you do not appreciate, Sony had in the area have not yet produced Camera.
Well, at least it has Sonyeinen 4 GB of internal memory built.
Without the internal memory would have the camera may be difficult to fight - because their Memory Stick Pro Duo is not exactly cheap.
From the Sony camp synonymous heard that Sony no longer too long only a Memory Stick Pro Duo slot should have - too many customers migrate from now. Sony SD card is no longer impossible.
A Sony Video Camera with SD card, there is already - the DVF 9 XL - Sony is on the Eastern bloc clone was certainly not pleased.
@ OINK-OINK - yes true, I think it could not turn off (I must again go through the menu).
Well, many newcomers will find the A & Ausschalter not, therefore, JVC has so decided. There are not only stop demanding whole film .... LCD on and Losfilmen
VG
Jan
Reply Jan:
JVC has nevertheless an Off switch and you can then open the Camera LCD synonymous with making out. Since they no longer viewfinders, it is the case with LCD and aufklappen auto "to" not stupid.
VG
Jan
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