| Transition to HD - consequences ...?
Question of noreflex:
Dezember 2008
Hello, dear friends video!
I am not after years of very active video filming before a dilemma:
What is currently required? So far I only knew miniDV.
At the first reading in the matter, I am on HD and AVHDC encountered.
First of all times so my question:
What would an end-installed HD Video Cam Chain from PC + software, DVD player and TV off when you entry-level HD Prices purports?
So my idea is to me an idea of the equipment and the anticipated prices to make.
When I look at an HD Cam growth and then somewhere a hardware bottleneck, then I could stay at Pal, right?
Perhaps my background first s.Erfahrungen:
I had Sony Digital8 and miniDV (SonyTRV33E) years in operation, with all camcorder after 2-3 years of errors produced and the defect is usually in the imaging drum / head was (as per workshop).
My films I've ever worked with Magix 2007 and created DVDs.
I've been using video for only about 2-4 trips per year. Nothing more.
Based on the error in the Sony cams, I wanted to have more garnicht film. But in view of the cut and has provided images of nostalgia and desire to return.
A video cam needed!
My technique:
E s.SonyTVR33 dropouts with the image unit (ie rather broken)
b) Intel Pentium from 2005 with 3 mhz, 512 mb RAM
c) about 1.4 TB of storage FP
d) Video Deluxe 2007/2008
e) per year, around 5-7 rendered video / photo shows with DVD menu, rear-backup to miniDV tape, DVD and FP
f) Denon AVR2105 amp
g) Denon 1910 DVD player
h) 2 PSP
i) TV tubes Pana TX-32 PD50D (well, almost: set!)
So, now I find no entry with Cam DV in and DV out!
I would prefer a video cam with SD memory (no drive noise, no picture heads?) Buy an AVI file (uncompressed) and edit the data on DVD and FP secure.
The encoding in the Cam is in pans and zooms are not easy to read, I ...
I would be synonymous an HD-Cam and buy the first PC to PAL down reckon, because I am normal DVDs s.der tube enough. Later, I could the original HD quality, perhaps re-edit and then HD-TV output?
Are there one or several cams, this option (recording in HD and transverieren into an mpeg2 output to standard DVD via software?) Have?
At the moment, I think that I am either a miniDV buy for around 150 -350 EUR without DVin DCR (HC-62E) or a Canon HF 100 or SonyTG3.
In the latter two but I am afraid that I have PC, software, DVD player and TV must be replaced, right?
Has someone already made this transition and can give me some answers spendier?
* * liebguck
Thank you!
Reply tillbaer:
Hi noreflex,
So I myself have three HV30 and dehr'm so happy! But if I buy today, what would then also be tapeless. I would you like to be advised Canon HF100. Then you may still have to Edius Neo as a new software for books (approx. 70, - ¬). Because you can natively with your PC does not cut AVCHD. Clear tape is good because synonymous archive and so, but in the future who would be the HF100 sure my current price-/Leistungssieger.
Greetings - Til.
Reply noreflex:
Hi noreflex,
So I myself have three HV30 and dehr'm so happy! But if I buy today, what would then also be tapeless. I would you like to be advised Canon HF100. Then you may still have to Edius Neo as a new software for books (approx. 70, - ¬). Because you can natively with your PC does not cut AVCHD. Clear tape is good because synonymous archive and so, but in the future who would be the HF100 sure my current price-/Leistungssieger.
Greetings - Til.
Thank you for your reply.
Edius've viewed. Puhh. Actually, I would reluctantly new "other" software to buy. If I upgrade to Magix, I must not relearn. Is there any way to the quasi HF100 PAL film to be or is there a simple codec, from what generates an MPEG AVCHD?
* * grübel
Reply RickyMartini:
The HF100 records in PAL on - but in 1920x1080 @ 50i! ;)
SD videos but can post at any time.
There is a transcoder of Canopus, the next HQ AVI synonymous MPEG2 HD and HDV dominated. For performance reasons, I would but better with the HQ codec, because MPEG2 in HD but a bit slow on the timeline is. The transcoder is only run when an Edius version is installed.
Reply noreflex:
Hi folks,
I did the day I read and for me (initially) found that while I still ne with the miniDV standard and wishes to live. A shift to higher quality for me is the time to cost-and labor-intensive.
Which miniDV cams would be for someone who likes to edit movies on DVD and outputs, at the moment to recommend?
I have seen the following models and not all would want to spend too much:
1) Samsung VP-D381 camcorder (worse AF, colors ...) cheap!
2) Canon MD110 camcorder or 215/216?
3) Panasonic NV-GS90 and GS60 and NV-GS330
4) SonyDCR HC27 (good for beginners reviewers Cam to 230EUR)
My old cam was one of Sony TRV33.
I would at the moment tend to GS90, because he with 33mm Wide Anglepunktet, relatively cheap (200 EUR) and is relatively good reviews for this price gets. However, it is synonymous of some because of disappointing quality indoor censured?
Have your experiences with the GS90 or similar models? Would your other favorites to see 200 EUR? The Pana 3CCD of WW has 44mm and is more expensive. Is it worthwhile, despite the lower WW, the 330 to take. If we look at the differences on the burned PAL DVD?
Lieben gruss
Reply tillbaer:
Hi noreflex,
I had even GS60 first two and was quite happy with it. Then I wanted to 16:9 and I've ne GS90 ordered - and was totally disappointed. The picture was in all light situations much worse and indoor was definitely not to use! I then changed to the Canon HV30 and cut with Corel 11.5 plus about proxies, because my PC (AMD 4800 +, 2GB, only onBoard graphics) for the native interface is lame too.
A mate of me has the Panasonic 230th His recordings are for a cam this price range really well. Sure I get with HDV Resolutionraus more - but if you need to decide - then try a really rather good price for a Panasonic 230/330/320 to get.
Greetings - Til.
Reply noreflex:
Thanks for your answer, Til. Helps me next time.
For HD, I have the cost of encoding and Power Calculator, etc. and read first sobering experiences. In addition, all in my environment, nor the old "normal" technology. The DVDs from vacation / sport anyone can use an HD version would be an exclusion or duplication except for HD movie a PAL film making ...
The Panasonic 3CCD with 330 seemed so synonymous as slightly more expensive alternative. But then probably with WW-converter, or?
Other opinions?
Reply Bernd E.:
... then probably with WW Converter, or ...
If you picture the lens of the GS330 is not enough, then yes - if they do, then not. Since only you know what you want, such as film, because nobody can give you a firm answer. With the GS330 are you doing in this class, but probably no mistake.
Reply beiti:
For HD, I have the cost of encoding and Power Calculator, etc. and read first sobering experiences. In addition, all in my environment, nor the old "normal" technology. The DVDs from vacation / sport anyone can use an HD version would be an exclusion or duplication except for HD movie a PAL film making ... I look for your purpose and your computer equipment Three useful approaches, if you are recording of the band to get away, but (initially) in SD-resolution editing and burn DVDs like:
s.Recording in AVCHD (eg Canon HF100), immediate conversion to a SD format and then edit as usual. This is obviously increased time required for the conversion, but you need the material is not in real time capture, because it's already on SD Card available. The original AVCHD, you can also archive to disk and perhaps later to access it.
As the SD format, you can DV-AVI or MPEG2 used synonymous. The former is better to deal with the latter will save you a detour. What ultimately is better depends on your cut of habits from.
b) recording in AVCHD, then converted into an intermediate codec and editing in full HD resolution. Subsequent conversion to SD (DVD) and additional storage of the finished film in HD quality.
Disadvantage: You have to you with a new editing program (in the best case, Edius Neo) and friends need to cut a lot of disk space.
c) Recording in MPEG2 SD (eg Canon FS100) and native cut. That would be the cost of her s.günstigsten and you would save conversions. If your Schnittüprogramm participate, you can do the MPEG2 format, even by Smart Rendering largely intact and bring 1:1 on DVD.
Disadvantage: Since the camera already in the "final format" record, you have less reserves for image quality. So if you frequently color o. Ä. machst would MiniDV quality a little better.
The problem with miniDV is stop (with the exception of the disadvantages of tape recording) that the lower price range not reasonable MiniDV camcorder gets longer.
Reply wolfgang:
There would be synonymous nor the possibility of mpeg2 HD Camera to buy - the JVC HD40 is unchanged as a good choice. But it would be better in HD but to cut - because None halt makes the cut twice. And that is mpeg2-HD content is much easier than AVCHD.
AVCHD to take, and then only to SD down conversion - so I do not know so I can not be friends. Moreover, as the AVCHD camcorder as opposed to HDV devices, not all the possibility of down conversion of HD to SD have. Would HDV then perhaps appropriate for you, when really down to be converted.
Reply beiti:
But it would be better in HD but to cut - because None halt makes the cut twice. And that is mpeg2-HD content is much easier than AVCHD. The calculator of the TO should synonymous for HDV editing too weak. In this respect, it's not a real alternative.
Moreover, as the AVCHD camcorder as opposed to HDV devices, not all the possibility of down conversion of HD to SD have. Would HDV then perhaps appropriate for you, when really down to be converted. The software should Runterkonvertieren even on an older calculator is not much longer than the real-time playback of HDV.
Reply wolfgang:
Yes, a P4 3 GHz is pretty much the lower end, where you can still cut HDV. Have yourself a Zeilang made with Vegas - but makes only limited fun.
But AVCHD is an HD format synonymous, and of which I just as of HDV to SD back. As would be better in a new PC to invest in the foreseeable future.
Reply Preludegreen:
Ich hab mal relating to HD - MiniDV ne question.
Pana Gibts of an HD camcorder to MiniDV tape recording?
I was now in his shop and the seller then has sworn that of an HD Panasonic MiniDV Camera, has it in a hurry but can not be found. Somehow I like the band technology!
Greeting
Reply beiti:
Ich hab mal relating to HD - MiniDV ne question.
Pana Gibts of an HD camcorder to MiniDV tape recording? This is called then no MiniDV (synonymous when it's the same cartridge), but HDV. And no, Panasonic has never built HDV cams.
I was now in his shop and the seller then has sworn that of an HD Panasonic MiniDV Camera gives Well, the old theme of "specialist" ... ;)
Reply HZJ:
We have in 2007 a complete change, of the Canon XM1 in a much smaller Canon HV20 (with tape, because tape next memory is the cheapest, at least a few more years. Above all, the HV20 all synonymous old DV tapes to read and play , one for us with important compatibility.)
Furthermore, the HDV format is not quite as sophisticated in the editing.
Unfortunately, the manual handling of small Canon not well resolved. But that applies to all HD Cams to 2000 ¬
The calculator had to be renewed synonymous to HDV useful to be able to process. We have a 24 "Imac purchased and are in every respect so much happier than before with Windows. (Apple Calculator available at Apple as a refurbished with full warranty much cheaper.)
For backup, we have some external hard disks, for films with 2x1TB WD, connected via FW800, so it is synonymous for editing of videos with multiple tracks last.
The Imac was our first PC, which really only the camera had to be plugged in and everything ran.
The image quality in HD is significantly better. This is mainly due to when old recordings with new DV HDV shooting on the HD TV or in the projection compares.
The software does a lot with the included iMovie, I have Final Cut Express 4 nachgekauft.
For the future I hope for a rapid development of video functionality in the D-SLR cameras, or in the micro 4 / 3 area. Until then, the HV20 (HV30 successor) is a viable solution.
Bernhard
Reply noreflex:
Thank you s.alle!
The thoughts of beiti the torments which I suspend my brain ...
I have a video of yesterday TRV33 seen on DVD. The quality totally enough for me, because I have a normal TV Pal did.
HDV If I buy, I need to Cam (700 EUR) or PC (700 EUR), HD-TV (1,000 EUR) and Software (100 EUR). And maybe have a Blue Ray player, or how it plays edited HDV videos of the family?
So for 2-4 videos a year a little more effort, right?
Now have about 30 cassettes (20 miniDV, 10 Digi8) in the cabinet, and about a dozen different video DVDs since about 2002 ...
I have a way with miniDV hinbekommen ... Crap!
But I still beiti substantive input to the times where mystery. Even the mpeg2 cut would be a consideration ...
Do you except the Pana 330 miniDV still others in the Recommendation?
Reply beiti:
HDV If I buy, I need to Cam (700 EUR) or PC (700 EUR), HD-TV (1,000 EUR) and Software (100 EUR). And maybe have a Blue Ray player, or how it plays edited HDV videos of the family? Well, now is not about driving times.
Whether you need a new PC depends on what you're going Bearbeitungsweg. HD editing on Intermediate Codec on your PC will function safely (if you are perhaps a little RAM can be upgraded - 512 MB is not much, and 2 GB of memory now costs "almost nothing").
Intermediate If you take, it is synonymous no preference whether the HDV or AVCHD camcorder uses. Then you can at the same AVCHD, because yes you want the tape away.
Regardless of which you can choose whether you s.in the beginning of HD, or cut before the cut in SD want to convert (for HDV directly from the Cam, AVCHD with the software).
Eventually, you'll always have a new PC purchase. And until then, there is, as I said, synonymous with your hardware processing capabilities.
A decent brand LCD TV does not need more than 500 euros (except that the purchase of an HD camcorder in no way equal to the purchase of a new television forces - every HD camcorder has SD output synonymous). Yes, you can synonymous 1000 or 5000 Euros for a television output. But then please do not jammer and rum tu as if your new camcorder you are forced. ;)
With software for 100 euros you could get. To play, you can in the case of the HDV camcorder take (if it is HDV - in for), in the case of AVCHD, I would present to an independent HD media player such as WD-TV rates (almost 100 euro).
Or you burn your movies on DVD next, as long as you always searched for a new television. (HD is down in most cases still a little sharper than the material from an ordinary MiniDV-Cam.) The main thing you have archivierst the HD material and can see it in a few years, then use. You have to really not buy everything at once.
Reply noreflex:
Beiti Thank you!
I appreciate your effort! Unfortunately I do not understand everything immediately. Document your work out technical Chain times (read, understand) and then me again ... Report
In any case, it is for someone who is only with miniDV know, first a lot of new stuff, which must be understood.
To note that any HDV Cam is synonymous SD: SD is then PAL resolution?
So if I understand it, can I with a HDV camcorder into an AVI PAL output, right?
Can I synonymous Full-HD recording and editing for my Full-HD material than PAL-AVI output? Then I would have the material with which I can handle and the originals that I synonymous in 3 years could be re-edit, if lust arises ...
What would be your HDV Cam Tip?
What to draw? (FP, SD Card, miniDV-tape, DVD)
Lieben Gruss and sorry if it has not hit me .... makes
Reply beiti:
Lieben Gruss and sorry if it has not hit me .... makes Take some time just to see you in the matter is available. If you then again this thread durchliest here, it may click. ;)
Helpful for the beginning, for example, the DV-Slashcam Glossary:
http://www.slashcam.de/multi/Glossar/index.html
A little more detail, the Wikipedia article:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Definition_Video
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avchd
Reply noreflex:
Take some time just to see you in the matter is available. If you then again this thread durchliest here, it may click. ;)
Dear Beiti, since I'm back! ;-))
Homework - yet nix savvy. well, not everything!
So maybe times after tick:
Times I go out of the HV30.
1) Can I use old tapes (miniDV) to play (TV) on PC and output as avi?
2) If I were with HV30 movies - can I use the film of the Cam to the PC as SD Avi spend? Then I would have HD on tape, a normal PAL Avi to cut and it could be cut back in SD on a different tape issue? Would geil.
3) Can I use HD-synonymous film as mpeg2 to get the calculator? (saves again render)
4) I cut my previously Avi files in 4:3, because the cam so it offers. As would be with the HV30? My TV is 16:9. Does the HV30 16:9 avi files into SD?
EDIT:
5) Do I need prior to the recording to decide if I want SD? So I can not only HD video and then export SD ...
Edit2: http://forum.slashcam.de/sd-with-hv30-in-hdv-aufnehmen-and-konvertieren-oder-oder-nativ-dv-vt66666.html?highlight=hv30
s.Ende here was the recommendation in HD and edit in HD ... (see below).
My answer would be:
1) yes
2) yes
3) yes
4) yes
5) yes
I checked that right?
I can think of ne more question: Can I use with my lame Calculator on detours (stopgap as freeware ... it's just about to try) HD cut and spend (on cam)? If yes, please briefly describe times. I would make a 1 minute short film and dubbing and cut me on FullHDTv view. Maybe I invest it faster than I thought?
Lieben Gruss s.die patient helpers! ;-)
Reply beiti:
Times I go out of the HV30.
1) Can I use old tapes (miniDV) to play (TV) on PC and output as avi? Yes. You can like DV tapes of a DV camcorder in order to play via Firewire and send s.den calculator.
2) If I were with HV30 movies - can I use the film of the Cam to the PC as SD Avi spend? Then I would have HD on tape, a normal PAL Avi to cut and it could be cut back in SD on a different tape issue? Would geil. Yes, it is.
3) Can I use HD-synonymous film as mpeg2 to get the calculator? (saves again render) Yes, this is the normal procedure for HDV editing, and works very similar to the import of IR. Most editing programs now dominate the native HDV editing. (That is the great advantage over AVCHD, making the usually still does not work.)
4) I cut my previously Avi files in 4:3, because the cam so it offers. As would be with the HV30? My TV is 16:9. Does the HV30 16:9 avi files into SD? Of course.
Can I use with my lame Calculator on detours HD cut and spend (on cam)? How lame is not your calculator. For HDV editing, it could even rich. Maybe you need a little upgrading RAM (512 MB is very little), but it is cheap.
If you want to test the cut, can you HIER
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