| Very specific question about the purchase recommendation
Question of ToGu:
April 2008
Hi folks.
After much searching (synonymous here with you) I am not absolutely conclusive if I ever ask for a recommendation should be ... because my other claims but something probably not so easily solved.
So, let's start at the front. The only meaning and purpose for a video camcorder should be in parks and their rides incorporated. For this I use since last year, a "toy", like here in the link: http://www.amazon.de/Aiptek-PDV-6800-Digitaler-Camcorders/dp/B000EBGG2Q/ref=sr_1_31?ie=UTF8&s = ce-de & qid = 1207649986 & sr = 1-31
Examples of what they "can" (cough, räusper;)) I give you here:
http://www.all-my-stuff.net/videoblog/pl/talocan_impressionen_kurz.wmv
http://www.all-my-stuff.net/videoblog/asianights/asianights2.wmv
http://www.all-my-stuff.net/videoblog/ep/bobbahn-onride.wmv
The enormous advantage: it is tiny, I can Batteries normal (which is always there in case of purchase of the case) be operated and because of the SD Card is the transfer of data in few minutes. In Onride recordings shock insensitivity is a real pros! The format is sufficient because it is just about publishing on the web goes. Disadvantage: quality (so you can see), no opt. Zoom, very easy (it wobbles too much)
If I now just a budget of around 350 ¬ and try to start (!) As a camcorder to find I always push boundaries. Much he can not even (HD and so not necessary), but the batteries hold long and never in the bands is dubbing extremely slow. HDD has the problem with the G-forces on the railways, etc.
I fear I should be in the toy respectively. But someone has a tip should have that in my case, but an alternative so he may speak ... ^ ^ I would be ready compromise, but in my search 3tägigen now I was not really a find.
Gruß,
the TOGU
PS: I obviously not a professional ... ^ ^ But I have now VideoStudio 11.5 Ulead Pros of purchased. The desire to make content more ...
Reply leonhard lierzer:
Maybe something here?
http://www.produkte.panasonic.de/product/product.asp?sStr=4 @ - @ 10 @ 21 @ 122@@@@SDR-SW20EG-R @ SD | camcorder @ & = & old-fashioned prop =
Was there somewhere a Test-/Praxisbericht with very nice pictures from skiing (google).
For the "static" shots of the trains, you should use Tripod but one - it looks too restless from (the beginning of grad Talocan).
Reply ToGu:
Thank you ... :)
Unfortunately, not whether the Battery is changeable. If after 60 minutes would be the end is absolutely not enough. Times because I'm trying to do research. But super-tip first, thank you!
To Tripod: I have, but this mini-cigarette box on the tripod is echt scheisse aus! :-D
Reply leonhard lierzer:
When the SDR-S10, it is probably the most: http://digitalvideoschnitt.de/forum/archiv/t-48892.html
S20 probably synonymous.
Well - if the shooting is good but no preference. Merits of the film is better.
Mach mal comparison shots with and without tripod, then you should be synonymous noticed that a peaceful Picture is simply more pleasant than the slight wobble -> with relatively little effort better shots.
Reply ToGu:
Jo. Have the Battery synonymous grad found, around 50 ¬ (ui ui ui).
Well, if you have a "Cam", the ne is less than one pack of cigarettes drags a reluctant Tripod with ... ^ ^ But I will just stay in the parks stay (one day) and then run Tripod synonymous with rum.
Panasonic s.der What I dislike is the ... yes, ... handling. You need to hold very funny. There are 2 videos on the Page. So, SO I have not kept Camera. But the tip is already good, this cam is about 360 ¬ for it. What lies within the framework. With the 2nd Battery but has happig! But watt nix kost 'nix iss ... ^ ^
EDIT: hm, that is the predecessor to be very power hungry. Max 60 minutes and a battery will cost around 50 ¬ ... 3-4 hours, so movies, I always per stay, what the budget but would rather blow up if I must with Erstazakkus offset. : (Och man ..
Reply leonhard lierzer:
So the S20 is available at computer mix already s.325. The S10 maybe even cheaper.
http://www.mix-computer.de/html/product/detail.html?artNo=MC% 23A71
Battery of any third party (not the very cheapest of Ebay, but 'B' owner - or Haenle Vivanco) p.20 Euro - Originalzubehoer of the Panasonic does not have to be.
Is synonymous nor upright cameras SD memory cards (eg Xacti), but whether the bildqualitaetsmaessig now with the Panasonic can keep up, I do not know.
Reply leonhard lierzer:
The S10 has s.250 euros (EP Netshop zb):
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=SDR S10 + & btnG = Search & meta =
Reply ToGu:
Then, I still have the problem that conclusion after an hour is with electricity. In just a link to the owner was angry because you only can load the Cam and the 2 hours.
I'm not sure if I can reduce it. In the park there are a lot of filming, as I said: so 3-4 hours is normal!
Do I have time to think over it ...
Reply leonhard lierzer:
With a battery you will be in such a compact device is not always to 4 hours of recording time.
You need to change one way or the other - that is equal to more than an extra battery and Scheduling synonymous perhaps more than a 2GB memory card (50 minutes in good quality?).
If it is anything but an accessory type - batteries, external charger, solar cells (!), SD cards and not necessarily all 'original Panasonic' be (except the included wine Battery I have almost nothing of Canon and still no problems) .
Reply ToGu:
Did this 4 x 2 Gig SD cards that I could take immediately. Clear that I do not 4 hours s.Stück / Battery've ... ;) But I can with my current toys as 90 minutes with 2 Batteries (AA) or create Batteries. Ie switch once, or max. 2 times. And the costs are lower.
If we now simply times 3 Extra Batteries + Charger dazurechnet you are already in a price class where it determines what is better, or?
Reply leonhard lierzer:
If we now simply times 3 Extra Batteries + Charger dazurechnet you are already in a price class where it determines what is better, or?
For you synonymous again 3 batteries (or a large - and with 'big' I am "weighs more than the entire compact camera" long) and a Zusatzladegeraet need ..
That the "toy" with 2 batteries 90min Cheap is synonymous anymore because it "toy" is (no optical zoom, small display, etc.)
Reply ToGu:
I know .... why was the question whether it is calculated for an alternative to wonder ... ^ ^
The waterproof housing is there for the Panasonic the first major plus point. Damn, I think I have to save more. Hard to believe, 350 ¬ times were just under 700 DM! But I thought to get something. I überleg me yet, but I'm totally convinced yet.
Nevertheless, many thanks for all the tips and links! I will everything still pursue next and rethink!
Reply leonhard lierzer:
Hard to believe, to Digital8 times you have less than 2000, - DM garnicht need to start what to look for:)
Reply ToGu:
: D na, das ist ja schon ne while ago ... ^ ^
Nee, thought that it is synonymous times cheaper. There are what, but the reviews are very low. So, the bottom, I am - not because I wanted to ne other brand "change" ... ;)
For more than ¬ 400, the Panasonic, but only 2 advantages. The image of the better (not bigger, but better) and the housing. (edit: oops, 3 advantages: the zoom ^ ^) And I do not know whether that is enough to loose too many Euros do.
And the shy MiniDV I actually still play on because that takes so long. I'm not used to stop it ... ;)
Reply leonhard lierzer:
So slowly I understand the question no longer.
Either you want a better camera (which makes the words "only" better pictures - what else should be making? Better coffee - there are more, but not so obvious improvements to the "toys" - a better setting, better autofocus, better screen, better optics), or you're happy with what you have - then you need to buy new synonymous nix.
Reply ToGu:
Maybe I was wrong last words ... ;)
If I take the Panasonic (for more than 400 ¬ incl accessories), I have the same resolution, but a better picture and finally times optical zoom. That is clear. But I wonder whether that alone is worth 400 ¬? I think that's still good money and no wonder, therefore next in order to save the difference but seriously fails.
I went really believe that there is more! My "toy" (he he he), I included its 1 gig card only cost 99 ¬. Except for the quality could be better and the lack of zoom but it is very close s.der Panasonic. That bothers me a little for so much money.
Do not misunderstand, but I've just a feeling what I should be saving a significant push forward. My budget is probably too low.
Reply leonhard lierzer:
I went really believe that there is more!
* * More what?
Except for the quality could be better and the lack of zoom but it is very close s.der Panasonic. That bothers me a little for so much money.
What does "very close"? Ne ¬ 100,000 television studio camera is synonymous "very close" s.ner Aiptek, if the sole criterion "makes moving images" is.
Do not misunderstand, but I've just a feeling what I should be saving a significant push forward. My budget is probably too low.
Thrust in what direction?
Reply ToGu:
Well, for ¬ 400 I get no s.Resolution Pros. It is identical.
Even at very cheap Cams is up to 40x zoom in it (ok, is very much!)
And Thrust: eg micro input (which tend to have more expensive), better batteries and sowas halt.
Unfortunately, these cams tend not to specialize in flash memory, but MiniDV. What supposedly so will expire in the next 2-3 years. That is why I am saving more and then maybe but buy flash based cams. I do not like it synonymous with the sensitivity of the bands is when I ride on the trains. And Flash will always be cheaper, so I thought that these synonymous Cams "there is more", but apparently you take that much money. I had already viewed MiniDV others who can do much more than the Panasonic in this example. Thought can be guided.
Before I come to a shock-resistant housing would pick me as an acceptable NightView function better as ... .. but not in the price range for the cams with Flash memory in it. That is what I mean by that I do not see so much improvement. For me, 400 ¬ much money, and I stop when I feel on Flash that I want to stay with this sum is not so good weiterkomme.
And I'm really grateful for the tips and so! :) Only ¬ 400 are synonymous stop a lot of coal which it is considered out.
EDIT: something I call thrust! (sorry that it is a * * würg ebay link)
http://cgi.ebay.de/Panasonic-HDC-SD9-EG-S-24GB-SDHC-Tasche-SD-9-Full-HD_W0QQitemZ140221851074QQihZ004QQcategoryZ155693QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
For 400 ¬ is more properly (!) "Push" ... ;) Hab grad unfortunately no other comparison, but because I see the difference to the little Panasonic clearly.
Reply leonhard lierzer:
Well, for ¬ 400 I get no s.Resolution Pros. It is identical.
Ne SD synonymous television camera has the same resolution. It changes nothing but the fact that they are a 'better' picture making.
If you are looking for toys, similar to the 'bad' but moving images of higher resolution makes: Aiptek Pocket DV Z300 HD
Even at very cheap Cams is up to 40x zoom in it (ok, is very much!)
A completely pointless feature. The 'why pointless' is synonymous in the forum here somewhere.
And Thrust: eg micro input (which tend to have more expensive),
An acceptable Micro synonymous its kost 100 euro. If you have 30 euros s.Zubehoer too much, as high as the chances are you to purchase something? (and is almost as big as the compact cameras:)
Better Batteries and sowas halt.
The Batteries are better - which is not means that the longer they hold out. The electricity is synonymous higher.
I do not like it synonymous with the sensitivity of the bands is when I ride on the trains.
I do not synonymous - I would not at risk synonymous. Above all, I do not know whether you to roller coaster operators do with his half-kilo unsecured Camera lets ride.
I had already viewed MiniDV others who can do much more than the Panasonic in this example. Thought can be guided.
So the $ 200 JVC aus'm Pros maximum prospectus has more useless features such as 40x zoom.
For more useful features to get more can not put value on compactness.
Your original post after the judging was over so that is what you like now 'in better' looking for.
Before I come to a shock-resistant housing would pick me as an acceptable NightView function better as ... .. but not in the price range for the cams with Flash memory in it.
Confuse you as "Night View" (this noisy green and black images in all more than 2 meters distance) with the Discovery Channel Infrared images of the Lion mating? The Discovery Channel used IR spotlights probably more than your average Manchester Stadium has floodlights. :)
"Night View" is pretty meaningless, unless you are standing on the "Voyeur look" - "One Night in Paris" and so.
Good, unverrauschte shots in low light are synonymous rather a rarity in the consumer realm heritage (among 'several thousand euros).
That is what I mean by that I do not see so much improvement. For me, 400 ¬ much money, and I stop when I feel on Flash that I want to stay with this sum is not so good weiterkomme.
Of course much is 400 Euro Money - but what improvements except for "better pictures" are you expecting then?
The points that you've cost yourself aufgezaehlst either weight / size or features are absolutely useless - of genuine "improvements" little track.
Reply leonhard lierzer:
HDC-SD9-EC
For 400 ¬ is more properly (!) "Push" ... ;) Hab grad unfortunately no other comparison, but because I see the difference to the little Panasonic clearly.
Sure, if you want to spend 800 euros (and their battery is synonymous not more than 90 minutes hold: D - and making coffee, it can not synonymous).
That is not synonymous but Kamer 350 Euro more ...
Reply leonhard lierzer:
And if you say a few euros more drauflegst, someday you will come here to:
http://www.slashcam.de/news/single/Panasonic-AG-HPX500-First-Look-6350.html
This may still not make coffee, but the pictures are good.
Reply ToGu:
So, the size is no preference! When I was with accessories Tripod and pull through the area, it is then synonymous wurscht. And clearly, on every train I take it not with! That tells you quite common sense. When the time is flying .. s.weia! The basement is used for.
Ok, so the battery does not really improve? But this is crap! Well, then I must live so.
So, as synonymous or NightView always call the manufacturer. But perhaps this is a the rel. darkness with acceptable way. I know, NO can do really. But there are certainly synonymous since the cams totally fail. The need not to get closer Choice ... ^ ^
And no, not a toy more .. :)
The input with the MIC was an example of what I 'more inside' understand ... ;) Because no value put on it. Wenns it is ok, but not buying the argument isses.
Only a pity that the demo videos were not in the original order of the Panasonic is better to judge.
Oh yes, no prospect Pros ...^^ so far, I have at Amazon durchgeschaut times since because it is synonymous reviews. Unfortunately not too many (usable) while, mainly because of battery life. Apparently filming all only 5 minutes per week and then put the cam away.
Reply ToGu:
And if you say a few euros more drauflegst, someday you will come here to:
http://www.slashcam.de/news/single/Panasonic-AG-HPX500-First-Look-6350.html
This may still not make coffee, but the pictures are good.
lol
nee, iss clear .... ;)
This includes talent synonymous ... ^ ^ Definitely nothing for my father's son!
Reply leonhard lierzer:
So, the size is no preference! When I was with accessories Tripod and pull through the area, it is then synonymous wurscht. And clearly, on every train I take it not with! That tells you quite common sense. When the time is flying .. s.weia! The basement is used for.
Ok, so the battery does not really improve? But this is crap! Well, then I must live so.
So, as synonymous or NightView always call the manufacturer. But perhaps this is a the rel. darkness with acceptable way. I know, NO can do really. But there are certainly synonymous since the cams totally fail. The need not to get closer Choice ... ^ ^
And no, not a toy more .. :)
The input with the MIC was an example of what I 'more inside' understand ... ;) Because no value put on it. Wenns it is ok, but not buying the argument isses.
Only a pity that the demo videos were not in the original order of the Panasonic is better to judge.
Oh yes, no prospect Pros ...^^ so far, I have at Amazon durchgeschaut times since because it is synonymous reviews. Unfortunately not too many (usable) while, mainly because of battery life.
Juhuu .. endlich mal cleartext!
Ne overview you'll find - at least in times to find out what it is all about and what's in your price range (street price is often lower):
http://www.videoaktiv.de//images/bestenliste/bestenliste.pdf
For 350 moderate HD, you will not find much.
If you liked enough films, around 800 to invest, it's even more interesting.
Apparently filming all only 5 minutes per week and then put the cam away.
That is the way.
But if not as the compactness criterion is, you have more choice in Batteries. More than good lithium-ion (or for professional use - lead Guertel: D) does not stop so easily. The longer the battery will keep up so it is larger in the standard case.
Have little googling, what it is or if you are a model for've decided to examine the availability of Batteries.
Reply ToGu:
The list I know, the pdf synonymous with the tips. Only if you are not much (or no) plan, you can ask yes times.
But I think I must stay on Flash because I do not comment on the bands have so far (for my needs)
I look just next ... ;)
EDIT: that they must be compact, I have never claimed ... ;) That it is only with my toys as a benefit would be seen. ^ ^
Reply Dr. Walter Gesierich:
Did you ever have a helmet camera for?
With us in the video has a motorcycle club for very little money-a great combination together, a thumb-thick helmet camera that he s.seinen motorcycle helmet pappt, Käbelchen to a very small Sony camcorder in your pocket, which in this case he used as a recording recorder. So he did this with relatively weitwinkligen Fest Lens Camera (with roller coasters is mandatory anyway), incredibly good films done. If you want, I ask him precisely from.
With sowas synonymous allowed you to record in railways, where I with my 1 kg-SONY-Camera no longer allowed (Silver Star at Europa-Park).
So, neck and leg fracture
Reply ToGu:
I know only that the cams from a part of, without a connection somewhere. Found this to be bulky. Also, information would be really great. :) Is not quite what I'm looking, but then I would like it to me. Possibly. can be synonymous, or take in addition (to the price comes in). So, if you have info for me: happy!
EDIT: here sowas kenn ich
http://cgi.ebay.de/Oregon-Scientific-Action-Cam-ATC-2000-Helmkamera-NEU_W0QQitemZ300213436461QQihZ020QQcategoryZ114063QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Reply Dr. Walter Gesierich:
I will order the info on the care and Helmkamera-/Recorderkombination here represent. In any case, less than half as big as on the link of you (but can of course record, but according to Test no particularly good pictures while the camera of my colleagues travel delivers movie quality).
I've got a lot of hours in the park EUROPE filmed, I am always flat, as amazingly good and reasonably quiet, the recording act, even the very hard things. I make it with the 8-year-old 3-chip mini-DV Sony TRV 900 (1 kg), 0.5 x Wide Anglevon HAMA from the expensive series on it, and of course, absolutely optical Image Stabilization.
I shutter to everything (monitor), grab the camera with both hands, half size, so I sprung the shock and can intercept targets without Viewfinder by watching. Forward, backward, sideways the side seat when he screams ... If you do this a few times, you get good clips and it takes you the fear ....
Only in the heaviest roller coaster, the Silver Star, I can not take it.
So see you soon and screaming ..
Reply ToGu:
again thank you .... :)
Possibly. I take the camcorder with a good plus. Let's see, just wait for the info. I think I have always deeper into the pockets.
And clearly, Silver Star and so are extremely (Black Mamba synonymous and the old, rough rides) and a risk for all times because if the cam goes flying. The devil will come out so no videos are synonymous, I think. Beautiful but someone here knows the subject. Therefore I ask here is synonymous after a long battery life, I think you'll know how much substance is synonymous to a park ... and gives no preference whether EP or "only" the PHL .... always there to film something, and if it is only parades or shows you can record (Asia Nights, for example, 19:00 to 23:00 clock!)
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