These forums here are certainly very grateful for those who employ hobby with video, but can someone tell me whether it is a forum somewhere, which is exclusively s.Profis apply and where significant traffic is synonymous? I've found some, but there is very little going on, so every few weeks times a single posting. It does not so much going on as here, but I'm looking for really a forum, where terms such as DV, HDV or Firewire not occur. Previously saddest experience: In a forum, which is "a forum for film-makers' calls for months is the only entry:" HDV Camera to let "...
In the forum of the National Association Camera is more about collective agreements and employment law issues, much is going on but since not synonymous.
Matthias
Antwort von Markus:
Hello Matthias,
Slashcam when you're not so wrong, but the basic sound of the "Which camcorder to 300 ¬" questions you need to stop accepting.
Or do you think, pros never turn on DV / HDV and never transfer their data via firewire? ;-)
Antwort von PowerMac:
filmerforum.de regie.de / forum finalcutpro.de / Final Cut Pro user forum aviduser.de hackermovies.de (vsFilmstudenten in the forum) hot-eb.de (EB people)
Antwort von rtzbild:
Aloha,
depends on what he seeks. Here are professionals, decision makers and Hauptberufler available, what looks "guest" then?
A job? An internship? Used equipment? Directions? Square Cut Training?
Olli
Antwort von Eva Maier:
The fact that "professional" forums little is happening is certainly largely due to the fact that there are pro's are. There is no rumgefummelt s.Systen or VOB files with dubious experiments. Slashcam is the forum for everyone, especially at Christmas or holiday time again when it's new cameras there.
/ Eve
Antwort von BenMan999:
"rtzbild" wrote:
Here are professionals, decision makers and Hauptberufler available, what looks "guest" then?
I am particularly far-reaching investment decisions. I think about for years, when the right time for a shift of Beta SP has come. This involves a judicious combination of quality and efficiency. From the principle of operational security is her only s.sich HD Cam, because all small cassette formats for the serious long-term use are inadequate.
Other hand, you have just added a new MAZ acquire what the cost of 40,000 EUR to 80,000 EUR doubled. Consequently, systems such as hard disks XD-Cam or the Ikegami Editcam interesting, but most of which has not only sold in Germany. Furthermore, the question comes into play, whether existing broadcast Lenses should continue to use or how big the difference with HD lenses actually fails.
One hand, my Client is not very loud after newer technology, but I fear that soon there out of pure ignorance of the buyers will occur, that people with high-resolution technology to stay ahead, although not all the usual applications of HD technology is required. But it sounds just as wonderfully modern ...
High-resolution, but new technology should be, at least a starting material to which the ordinary man in the PAL system in either 4:3 or 16:9 display, provided that when you rotate it respects the right and left the area clear. If today I anamorphic 16:9 in turn would, I would have no way of recording a standard for television news to give. The recordings must be for all applications of Imagefilm Tagesschau to work.
Such discussions, I can not with people, who deserve s.Verkauf new devices, and the other people in my environment are all synonymous with Beta SP, which is especially when playing with a DVW-A500 looks excellent. I currently have just no idea what is better: Not as long as possible with the old technology to remain to guard against a possible misjudgment to protect, or will shortly seriously wondering about it, perhaps for 2006, a depreciation of form, then in 2007 to invest not in five or ten years to be annoyed that it "was" too late changed certain things and is not in high Resolutionim archive.
Matthias
Antwort von BenMan999:
Honestly ... when it comes to such decisions and investments are concerned, I would not be in a "professional forum" the eyes & ears open. In this case I would be the info of the user komen treated with caution, nothing you can say who is behind the Pseudoym and whether dieserwelche synonymous really know and experience is so.
This was quite different, I shall start ... but the muestest yes you know. There seems to be yes here is certainly no longer a hobby alongside the action.
Antwort von Markus:
"Matthias" wrote:
Consequently, systems such as hard disks XD-Cam or the Ikegami Editcam interesting ...
Interesting topic, not least because I am currently also with HD formats and the associated investment deal. My favorites are currently DVCProHD and XDCAM HD.
Run it out so a discussion and see what happens? ;-)
Antwort von BenMan999:
"Anonymous" wrote:
This was quite different, I shall start ... but the muestest yes you know.
Of course, but even insiders do not dare forecast. The fact is that it will no uniform standard such as Beta SP or Digibeta anymore, but that the split is very far.
Matthias
Antwort von wolfgang:
I think you are going to question perhaps of the Fasch to Page. In the center of the Reinvestitionsfrage should take a clearer assessment is whether your customers actually in the upcoming HD technology provide a benefit, and therefore whether they actually will be ready, either to pay more, or at least if you make the orders to leave. Or - invers asked - what happens if you do not make the investment? What sales volume will you actually lost - Sogut you can appreciate?
Then synonymous nor the question of interest, whether one with the new technology, perhaps synonymous other customers could, as the existing ones. Where the additional revenues could come to justify reinvestment?
Or you need to invest strongly as a replacement investment because the existing equipment is already totally over?
If the answer seems more likely that you soberly considered in the foreseeable future, relatively few customers will lose, then I would tend, as an investment rather defer times.
The technology is moving so fast in general, especially in this area has been relatively strong price erosion, or for the same price more and more power. Too early is synonymous inverts a danger.
If you look at the investment does not want to move, or more precisely the foundation want, it would certainly be interesting times anyway, the economics of investment more closely - and a small business plan in a sense synonymous financial modeling to make. What is actually needed cash needs? What is the expected payback time, the internal rate or even an appropriate valuation based on free cash flow?
From vorgezognene depreciation little personally, I think, unless you can get them with the accountants and tax advisers to vote, and at least to the tax applicable to tax effects. But with investments not yet made? I would want to check with experts. What is more important, that is the form of financing for the investment - the cost of credit so you can sell steuermindernd, as well as depreciation.
Last but not least, I would always be something to think about options? What if the investment is a flop? I think that from? I ir or ruin the economy of the transaction? No idea what the turnover of your company.
And one option is always synonymous, the investment to be able to move - which has a value per se should be synonymous ask how long the Implementerung really need the investment - less if you durchplant this perfectly, but then a certain time period in the leaves are Schreibtischlade.
Lieben Gruß of a video with amateur amateur forum - the financial gain but rather a moderate way.
Antwort von BenMan999:
"Mark" wrote:
"Matthias" wrote:
Consequently, systems such as hard disks XD-Cam or the Ikegami Editcam interesting ...
My favorites are currently DVCProHD and XDCAM HD.
Well - I am 15 years Ikegami fan and would like s.sich neither of which Sony still buy of Panasonic, Ikegami, because the recordings are simply much better. But the Editcam HD is still too new, because there is no experience. In DVCPro HD, I have concerns about the future playback compatibility, because I know that there are considerable difficulties in DVCPro50 with playing certain tapes in certain devices, and on something I have absolutely no buck. My 15 years ago shot Beta SP tapes can be today without any problems (and without exception) play. Moreover, many people in the television stations on DVCPro50 not good to talk and are therefore certainly synonymous with DVCPro HD hulls are fed. On the other hand would be a Editcam HD probably easier to explain, because Ikegami in the industry enjoys an excellent reputation. XD-Cam retires from well to Halbzoll chips I would have no confidence and might not even the existing lens with B4 mount continue, then this makes a further 20,000 EUR.
If only zeros and ones by pushing the area, you probably would with DLT as an archive medium is well equipped, long-term synonymous. This would be a studio VTR savings.
I will be times after a discussion quite cheeky in camcorder-Kaufberatung Forum trigger fear, however, that since no one can say, because we have both the camera as needed synonymous Any Studio VTR over the counter width of a BMW 7-Jahreswagen talk.
Matthias
Antwort von Markus:
"Matthias" wrote:
I will be times after a discussion quite cheeky in camcorder-Kaufberatung Forum trigger ...
The times I would find a nice contrast to the otherwise so-frequently asked questions there. :-)
Antwort von BenMan999:
"wolfgang" wrote:
Then synonymous nor the question of interest, whether one with the new technology, perhaps synonymous other customers could, as the existing ones. Where the additional revenues could come to justify reinvestment?
Or you need to invest strongly as a replacement investment because the existing equipment is already totally over?
If the answer seems more likely that you soberly considered in the foreseeable future, relatively few customers will lose, then I would tend, as an investment rather defer times.
Precisely these are the questions that interest me for several years to move. You are absolutely right: At the moment it still seems that it is cheaper, the few customers away or vertrösten rather prematurely to buy new technology. The existing technology is in very good condition, the devices have this year received new head drums and running again so many years. Even the eight-year-old Avid can do anything that he can be just as hard in between were exchanged.
But as a media entrepreneur must also be synonymous in the future and must not miss. Maybe yes, I am synonymous too many thoughts, but I can already see that sometime out of pure ignorance, some buyers in any Federal authority on high-resolution technique and then out of pure ignorance on someone hereinfällt, which works with HDV. The then tells him that yes Beta SP soooooo outdated - and then I have to talk to a one small HDV cameras keep ...
Matthias
Antwort von Markus:
"Matthias" wrote:
... the few customers away or vertrösten ...
If a particular technique is rarely used, then this is a typical case for the equipment rental. The few HD customers so you do not have to send away.
Antwort von rtzbild:
"Eva Maier" wrote:
The fact that "professional" forums little is happening is certainly largely due to the fact that ... / Eve
... Professionals hands full with their job to do, o)
LG Olli
Antwort von BenMan999:
"Mark" wrote:
If a particular technique is rarely used, then this is a typical case for the equipment rental. The few HD customers so you do not have to send away.
No, it works in the structure of my customer does not, because it is not completed individual projects, but everything over the years built on each other. Since you have to someday have the courage and make a clear cut - and s.diesem time is then rotated at high resolution, but with 4:3-markers in the viewfinders ensure that the images synonymous in a normal news program can show.
Matthias
Antwort von wolfgang:
"Anonymous" wrote:
Currently, it still seems that it is cheaper, the few customers away or vertrösten rather prematurely to buy new technology.
Yes, it can come cheap - you know obviously but one of Invest volume of 80,000 euros or more, come on and now we even later times in the post, which you favor for an additional turnover need to get back in. ...
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But as a media entrepreneur must also be synonymous in the future and must not miss.
The future is the hardest task of any business - because you're absolutely not alone. But just as there is a great danger is too early to invest, and where appropriate the money in the sand to bring the same great is the danger, too late to invest. But: you have to stop and to soberly assess the point. And with the pen computing and the best guess assumptions.
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... then out of pure ignorance on someone hereinfällt, which works with HDV. The then tells him that yes Beta SP soooooo outdated - and then I have to talk to a one small HDV cameras keep ...
Yes, here I see a similar threat to send professionals, as they used of SD DV happened. This format was laughed at, slating - filming today and broadcasters do some reportage in DV format. This story could now perhaps be repeated. Times I would wonder why this fear of HDV really is so large - where your technique is old, but is professionally?
Or stop HDV has been synonymous since some up? If the honest answer here kleinheimlich but "yes" is, well then that is a fact synonymous, which you must take note. Because maybe it so that a portion of the HDV Professional business threatened or even substitute could - but then it would be a really important strategic assessment, the just for the investment decision can be disastrous: what if you look like an amateur like me only with HDV customers could take away - and you auslacht, because you're wrong on your depreciation you sit and order at any time can provide?
And so if a customer absolutely wants HDV - hey, you buy yourself a HDV editing room and a FX1/FX7 or a Panasonic HVX200, something that is synonymous in truth not a bad interim solution if you want to push investment decision and may now uncertain ... Of course, only if you as a professional, not the stomach turns at the thought of HDV .... :)
PS: Forgive me my provocative thoughts, I want you so do not really angry. But as a business consultant, I used that to move clients synonymous should (must?), A little out of the box thinking. We all have our pre-thinking within which we work - only this model must not necessarily coming to the new reality and adapt ...
Antwort von Norge:
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This is a link to school for broadcast technology in Nuremberg.
Many greetings! Norge
Antwort von BenMan999:
"wolfgang" wrote:
And so if a customer absolutely wants HDV - hey, you buy yourself a HDV editing room and a FX1/FX7 or a Panasonic HVX200, something that is synonymous in truth not a bad interim solution if you want to push investment decision and may now uncertain ... Of course, only if you as a professional, not the stomach turns at the thought of HDV ....
A format in which the system can at any time with picture and audio of half a second had to be ready, where a fragment instead of a lens is and where you most s.die controls just about any menu, is for serious applications completely useless. HDV is for me to be a pure marketing gimmick to amateurs a foothold in the world to allow high-resolution, or to sell television to increase.
My Client know the difference between small and large cameras cameras, and the synonymous know that you only have small cameras, is where you can not with great camera work. I am thinking rather s.unbedarfte buyers, which then Flausen any vendor in the head, but yet something I could always successful parry.
Matthias
Antwort von Jan:
The best one is moving into one of the few stores that offer such a technique, I go now assume that there the consultant has a little idea of its merchandise and fair advice.
I know several camera men so completely equipped with DV so at about ¬ 25,000 is more money have probably the least. High such people can be found here or in other forums. DigiBeta experience synonymous One or the Other.
The report in the forums to Ikegami, 95% have never filmed.
Right professionals with ¬ 40,000 and more - cameras, you will probably find almost nowhere to find those forums rather penetrating and annoying.
But now HDV runterzumachen I find completely synonymous not fair if we are not at the bottom of the Consumer class once owned, there are already interesting models (SonyV & Z 1) the panel s.geeigneten can convince so with high-resolution DVD players & still looks fairly bleak.
A large part of the manual (at least the most important) are easy to reach, even when some of the Aperture jump into another no summary Lens focal length adjustment, is synonymous true.
The I 2 / 3 "sensors to me much better focus shift can be clearly synonymous, somewhere it must be paid when thou hast 50000 ¬ is desirable for the bulk of a dream.
Clearly no comparison to a ¬ 40000 Cam, Hochauflösund with high data rate I will now synonymous not deny.
I think you will be here or synonymous in most forums is nothing new learn ....
Yes so many drop outs have not so many, because if I am a little umhöre, and if I have my own in the FX 7 are counting the 0 - and some filmmakers create without problems 6 cassettes s.Tag - If something happens then yes angry because you're right.
At least in the under 10000 ¬ class provides a picture of an HDV s.einem suitable panel already significantly better than SD DV - that's the truth. Lowlight is good for some back HDV to DV level. The best example of the Consumer Canon HV 10th
VG Jan
Antwort von wolfgang:
Well then the HDV Outland eh apparently no danger. Then yes you can safely remain in the existing equipment, if it appears to be a business case can not support anyway.
Wolfgang
Antwort von BenMan999:
"wolfgang" wrote:
Well then the HDV Outland eh apparently no danger. Then yes you can safely remain in the existing equipment, if it appears to be a business case can not support anyway.
This I see as being synonymous, but you will occasionally some of the requests of clients in accordance with detailed advice must answer in order to understand that a ten-year-old camera still delivers better results than a newfangled small cheap digital camera.
Tonight in the Bavarian Television ran a contribution which the BR with the usual DVW-790 WSP was rotated, but from my archive material (Ikegami / Beta SP) existed, which even to 16:9 to be inflated. And it all looked really good, no visible loss of quality. Something like you can with less expensive technology does not create. I reject me well again relaxes back.
Matthias
Antwort von TheBubble:
You should first IMO less to think about how good your SD cameras are (I go once assume that they are good devices), but more about whether you have the higher resolution (the number of pixels) of HD, from what reasons synonymous always need or want to have.
Antwort von Jan:
The grade is the problem at least for the prosumer & Con. The companies make a mad with their promotional speeches of mega-mega pixels. It is reasonable on a large sensor like the 2 / 3 "but relatively few light-sensitive pixels accommodate such as Pana in the GS 500 4 million to 3 small 1 / 4, 7 "to distribute.
Unfortunately, the sensors are getting smaller, and even worse, some lenses can umpteen million pixels Resolutiongar not represent this is not synonymous of the companies said. Virtually every Fotodigiknipse with the 1 / 1, 8 "CCD and 10 million can not bring up a picture, 6 million create the most optics only the purely arithmetical line pairs Resolutionist be higher, but the images are much higher with the noise even worse than some 6 million clippers.
For the consumer, I must give legal Matthias, I had last 2 people with the Consumer HDV Canon HV 10 because the exchange wanted this. That slumber in the light not the best, was well known but a worse picture s.einem LCD Full HD! Television to present as an old 576x720 SD Camera SonyPC 120 I had not expected so synonymous. It was normal room lighting with 40-60 watt bulbs.
The good resolution Geht markedly in the basement when the light diminishes, until well lit convinced the Consumer HV 10 HDV again through the sharpness towards the said SD Camera.
VG Jan
Antwort von Valentino:
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Consequently, systems such as hard disks XD-Cam or the Ikegami Editcam interesting, but most of which has not only sold in Germany.
So the of the XDCAM-HD (Please do not with the normal XD Cam format confused) no cameras have been sold, I think more of a rumor. There are currently a few delivery problems with the 330 but the 350 is still at Sony burg s.Lager it. The standard lens of the Canon on the 330 for the price can not be right surely is clear of all know what a good Lenses for HD-Cam costs. Thus it would be in the SonyXDCam HD synonymous with least from 40 to 45 thousand euros with good optics. What the Ikegami yet to mention is that the hard disks when runterfallen shatter like glass and the whole material is gone. Also, the Ikegami not all weather 1a function, that is very sensitive to climate fluctuations over. This is then still the only man with the material can be distinguished or AVID I mistaken there?
An alternative is, of course, the new Panasonic HDX900 synonymous times might be envisaged. 2 / 3 inch, multi-format DVCProHD and EX are synonymous not just under the carpets to sweep.
If I had money I would save a bit and me in a half a year to buy the camera in the production s.besten bewärt has.
Antwort von TheBubble:
"Jan" wrote:
It is reasonable on a large sensor like the 2 / 3 "but relatively few light-sensitive pixels accommodate
But it is not necessarily synonymous useful to a (lossy compression) formats with a high number of pixels, if these pixels are not with independent (ie not created by interpolation) will fill in measurements. If you would like to put less pixels, it is meaningful, only those numbers smaller pixels to compress and store, and after a decompression, scaling, if this is necessary.
That the recording format alone is not a good quality care but that it is synonymous to the actual camera arrives, of course, should (hopefully) clear to everyone.
There are (in my view) but quite good reasons for HD.
Antwort von Daniel06:
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Antwort von nl01:
"Valentino" wrote:
Also, the Ikegami not all weather 1a function, that is very sensitive to climate fluctuations over. This is then still the only man with the material can be distinguished or AVID I mistaken there?
So far there is no practical experience with the Editcam HD, but I know a company that has been around for six years with the Editcam 2 turns, and the time had not a single problem.
And it is true that the DNxHD data only is compatible with Avid, but it does not matter, because I always will remain at Avid.
I will probably still really have to wait until a little clearer as to which radio stations to decide which systems, because I often times what suppliers somewhere and then of course synonymous want my data there are to be opened directly.
Matthias
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"Anonymous" wrote:
can someone tell me whether it is a forum somewhere, which is exclusively s.Profis apply and where significant traffic is synonymous?
If you are the English Language are powerful, it is worth a look for example in these forums:
www.videouniversity.com / forums / gforum.cgi?; category = 1 (Letter, unfortunately, only after registration fee required)
www.dvinfo.net (including sub-forums on HDV and P2)
http://forums.creativecow.net/index.html
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von paolo:
Most HD cameras with examples in hd-channel.com
Antwort von Pianist:
"paolo" wrote:
Most HD cameras with examples in hd-channel.com
Joker, that's my Berliner Dealers ... :-)
(by the way: people who try to give a six-month-old thread to revive, are Leichenfledderer)
