read a lot, not yet clear - 4:3 - 16:9 Please, question
Frage von Andi C.: Januar 2007
Hello and a beautiful good day!
Read me for weeks by 4:3, 16:9-questions. Still it is not clear to me the following: If I see a movie in 4:3 with bars include (bars with no record, just to control the screen) and then 16:9 (on full screen) and 4:3 (with bars) should be compatible, how do? 4:3 crop hochzoomen and is known to me. Is not it more useful quality in the program bar darüberzulegen so in 4:3 full quality is maintained and only in the 16:9 mode, the player extrapolate? How to create such a project, or is this even possible? Work with Adobe Premiere 2.0. Found until now only the "pruning" - "High numeracy" option explained. While it is always talk of the letterbox, but how to make the film with the beam then the dvd is that they are in 16:9 without beam is presented, I still have not found ... I hope I have expressed understandable. Thank you for your time! EAA, Andi
Antwort von Axel:
16:9 in DV with two material:
1. With 4:3 material, which is at the top and bottom cut abgekascht is (not zoomed). This Kasch called letterbox. On a 4:3 TV is this video with the movies of famous black bars shown. On a 16:9 TV is either synonymous shown in letterbox, ie with the framework s.allen four sides, or he will: a) with the remote control at full zoom or b) by an auto preset from the TV. On average, the material is simply "4:3". 2. With anamorphic material that by distorting the pixels ( "true" 16:9 camera mode) or a lens in the 4:3 format and bruised when playing is again equalized. This material is on a 4:3 television s.als Letterbox b) Pan & Scan (the bars are herausgezoomt, left and right missing image content) or c) a combination of both displayed. On a 16:9 television, it is then synonymous only 16:9 as shown. The editing program is called the material "16:9 anamorphic." The DVD program you choose Letterbox, Pan & Scan or the combination. These instructions are for the DVD player and will only affect the playback devices to 4:3.
Antwort von Andi C.:
Thank you very much!
I think it is right now in my martyred brain: Since my cam is not a true 16:9 shooting and distorted in state is very painful, I have only one thing: in retrospect drüber bars and possibly hochzoomen player with manual or program in 16:9 project bild bild crop and enlarge .... One way the DVD player, a 4:3 picture with bars independently hochzoomen to leave there is not if I understand this correctly. I hope that's true then ... Thanks for your help! Andi
Antwort von Axel:
"Andi C." wrote:
I think it is right now in my martyred brain: Since my cam is not a true 16:9 shooting and distorted in state is very painful ...
Distorted = "True". Bar = False. Liver is balm for worn brains.
To your final question / concern: TV broadcast in 16:9 will naturally letterboxed broadcast. Most 16:9 Television probably have an automatic detection of aspect ratio, letterbox of the synonymous recognize a DVD. Synonymous And if it does not always automatic (channel logo in the bar), the button on the remote control to the viewer as well known as for the volume.
Antwort von Pianist:
"Axel" wrote:
To your final question / concern: TV broadcast in 16:9 will naturally letterboxed broadcast.
If the channel logo in the bar, then it is precisely not a 16:9-emission, but a 4:3-emit beams with, otherwise the logo might not be in the bar. As far as I know, now use only ARD and ZDF, the ability of PAL-Pros-Encodings with the Helperzeilen, formerly synonymous Pro7.
I have a small cheap 4:3-tube TV, which itself is in a position, an anamorphic picture zurechtzustauchen. Unfortunately, only a few television this function, otherwise it would be better soon, an anamorphic picture and send it only when the playback side of which is the best quality.
Matthias
Antwort von Axel:
"Pianist" wrote:
"Axel" wrote:
To your final question / concern: TV broadcast in 16:9 will naturally letterboxed broadcast.
If the channel logo in the bar, then it is precisely not a 16:9-emission, but a 4:3-emit beams with, otherwise the logo might not be in the bar.
O thank you, Matthias! Andi, I had precisely the extent that the term "letterbox", whether the cutting or from the issue, simply equated with bars (:-o)
Antwort von Pianist:
"Axel" wrote:
O thank you, Matthias! Andi, I had precisely the extent that the term "letterbox", whether the cutting or from the issue, simply equated with bars (:-o)
That is so synonymous in order, except that it is not always so. I think slowly but really, that it is most people can hardly explain.
Matthias
Antwort von Ethan:
Distorted = "True". Bar = False. Liver is balm for worn brains.
To your final question / concern: TV broadcast in 16:9 will naturally letterboxed broadcast. Most 16:9 Television probably have an automatic detection of aspect ratio, letterbox of the synonymous recognize a DVD. Synonymous And if it does not always automatic (channel logo in the bar), the button on the remote control to the viewer as well known as for the volume.
Hello
Sorry, I realize with the Austrahlung and that it is not real with bars, I have already written above synonymous ... I just do not understand how a player with a 4:3 film-bar car than 16:9 really bad again, because it's still is 4:3 and the bars so the actual picture included. Hence my conclusion with the manual aufzoomen ... Or because there are certain options to create the DVD?
Antwort von Markus:
"Andi (not registered)" wrote:
I just do not understand how a player with a 4:3 film-bar car than 16:9 really bad back there ...
I do not know exactly what you mean by that.
Are my assumptions correct: You have a 16:9 television. You look a consignment, which in 16:9 letterbox (that is 4:3 with black bars) is broadcasted? The bars remain, but the picture is still widely considered?
That is a bad habit of some widescreen TVs! When the zoom settings, there is certainly an appropriate preset synonymous (zoom, no wide-tow).
Antwort von Andi C.:
404ERR
Antwort von Axel:
"Andi C." wrote:
stupid question: what is the difference between 16:9 letterboxed und4: 3 letterboxed?
The first is on the disc registered order, the 16:9 on a 4:3 letterbox and not as the full herausgezoomt present. As described, one puts in the authoring program. The second is the pruning of 4:3, either already in the camera or later in the editing program. The picture remains undistorted, but loses in Comparison to anamorphotic Compression s.Resolution.
"Andi C." wrote:
(no, not an extra chip for the format in d. kamera, shrink to 4:3)
Also a 16:9 chip (eg Canon XL2), the undistorted recording (namely by a höherauflösenden chip) that does 720x576 anyway, with a sign on (namely, on tape), as it now is DV Pal times. The Resolutionbei this third variant, although nominally the same, but that the pixel during the recording were better defined, is in lack of artifacts in lateral movements and generally clearer impression Picture paid. The same with an optical or intent of converting HDV material to DV.
Antwort von Andi C.:
Dankesehr times. This means that 16:9 letterboxed already true 16:9, but stop determined by settings in authoringprog. on a 4:3 TV set with black stripes always returned ...? Have always thought that makes a DVD player, car .. ok, If my written now agrees, have finally ichs savvy ....
I would like but still annoying: When I first DV material on a new LCD Television saw was I am shocked of the noticeable bad Resolutiondes material. (washed out, grainy, just odd), as well, because TV now higher resolution ... Are there ways to cut when somehow to "mask" around it appear to be better? What, like, doing it in this case? (No, HDV, I can unfortunately "not yet" services) thanks, andi
Antwort von Markus (unangemeldet):
"Andi C." wrote:
When I first DV material on a new LCD Television saw, I was shocked of the noticeable bad Resolutiondes material.
Warning: you judge the video synonymous addition the quality of LCD-TV (usdas the scaler and deinterlacing). If the Television is good for nothing, the best video footage from nix! _________________ Liebe Grüße Mark :-)
Antwort von Axel:
"Andi C." wrote:
When I first DV material on a new LCD Television saw was I am shocked of the noticeable bad Resolutiondes material. (washed out, grainy, just odd), as well, because TV now higher resolution ... Are there ways to cut when somehow to "mask" around it appear to be better?
If it is 4:3 DV material is used on a tube device looked better, the LCD is bad. If it is 16:9 (the material of your Canon), so have you so far, perhaps only on a 4:3 tube kleinerskaliert see (letterbox). The 16:9 LCD displays and it's already scaled pixel scaled again by a factor of several. "Washed out, grainy, simply odd" could be the resolution loss already mentioned. To conceal it is not, but it forces you yes None, incorporated in 16:9. The alternative of an optical intent comes with roughly 1000 ¬ is not much cheaper than the cheapest HDV.
But something can still do if you are already stiffened to 16:9 has: 1. Good and sufficient light, in no case gain use. Neither over nor underexpose. The Zebra function. Because of a high dynamic range when recording images are clearer. When you cut, you can spread the values, but when it's ausgefressen or abgesoffen was, is this train departed. 2. Too much movement avoided. In quiet recordings although the resolution is not higher, but the new aspect ratio stretched pixel flicker especially for lateral movements (eg pans), and are so visible, I would 'lubricate and Verpixeln "call. 3. A simple, clear screen layout. Less intricate details, no fences, strong contrasting stripes or diagonal.
Antwort von Andi C.:
Nope, that is now completely gone ... ists D. Why is rescaled by the TV, thought 16:9 is reduced to 4:3 TV (wenns d. player makes it in or authoring program recruits) are shown, but why is there d. 16:9 signal again somehow increases when the DVD format is 16:9, considerably illuminates me, but ... pfff I'm apparently too stupid to really ...
Antwort von Andi C.:
what tv do you have such equipment, would you recommend?
Antwort von Pianist:
"Andi C." wrote:
what tv do you have such equipment, would you recommend?
I have been a very small tube TV for 199 EUR of Teletech, which makes a nice picture. I do not watch much television ... :-)
Matthias
Antwort von Axel:
Slowly, Andi.
"Andi C." wrote:
When I first DV material on a new LCD Television saw ...
I'm quite cheeky just assumed that it is a new LCD television of course, only with the name of HD ready anschafft. That means he is a car has at least 16:9 and 720x1280 resolution, hopefully more later. So 4:3 (576x720) of your Canon in any case ever magnified. The anamorphic 16:9, this is your camera, it is already a compression, and in the equalization is based on a 4:3 PAL Picture Tube, the reduced (no quality loss), on a 16:9 but now at least doubled and rectified, clear, that one sees.
Antwort von Pianist:
"Andi C." wrote:
Nope, that is now completely gone ... ists D. Why is rescaled by the TV, thought 16:9 is reduced to 4:3 TV (wenns d. player makes it in or authoring program recruits) are shown, but why is there d. 16:9 signal again somehow increases when the DVD format is 16:9, considerably illuminates me, but ... pfff I'm apparently too stupid to really ...
An optimal image quality you can reach only if the monitor, a native signal is offered, which is precisely for its pixels is suitable. So if each pixel is given exactly where it should be. So if you are a good monitor with 1920 times 1080 pixels you need to synonymous him an offer Picture. This may not be synonymous HDV, since heavy equipment is needed.
Matthias
Antwort von Axel:
"Pianist" wrote:
An optimal image quality you can reach only if the monitor, a native signal is offered, which is precisely for its pixels is suitable.
The all or nothing - argument. Dear Matthias, you are here once again provoke the sufferings Heimcineasten. A good plasma or LCD or DLP projector to improve the reproduction of material well-Pal (for Andi: native 16:9 anamorphic Pal is less good material). If you are with your portable as a purist and ascetic and TV decrying're happy, okay.
Antwort von Pianist:
"Axel" wrote:
If you are with your portable as a purist and ascetic and TV decrying're happy, okay.
Look - there are only two possibilities: If the groats to a day of cable operators or worse over DVB-T and satellite is offered, you would be with a large flat television is just stupid and annoying Dussel. With a small tube TV, but can a Picture view, which looks quite good, at least not much worse than the doll, which I on my (larger) Ikegami Monitor s.Schnittplatz see.
And if I have an even bigger Picture wants to have, I go to the movies ... :-)
Matthias
Antwort von firlefanz:
"Pianist" wrote:
And if I have an even bigger Picture wants to have, I go to the movies ...
What a nice fellow!
Antwort von Andi C.:
Hm understand, because then you can probably do nothing .... as ichs turn, provides the building thus always humble, because TV resolution is higher than simply the raw material ... that really gets me down ... it looks really bad from. passes me like the shooting .... I thank you for the many answers! Andi
Antwort von Axel:
"Andi C." wrote:
that really gets me down ... it looks really bad from. passes me like the shooting ....
So let us not stand. You have a good camera, DV Pal is still a good standard and the final resolution, we learn only after this life. What a 4:3 DVD or a TV broadcast via digital satellite receiver on your LCD s.Qualität can afford can be your Canon synonymous. 1. Maybe television is not good for your lot? 2. Perhaps films you do not carefully enough?
Just do not be weak.
Antwort von Andi C.:
Thanks to the encouraging words. Vielle. yes is synonymous s.der mpeg compression, but better than the best attitudinal gehts halt leider nicht. Until now, everything quite well that which, even at performances on canvas. The difference now is holding something krass. I would like to emphasize that I try with my new tv father held (SonyKDL-32S2010) and I myself have not yet decided a particular television, which I find most synonymous somewhat faint, but it seems likely to be normal at the lcd's. One can buy me probably diminish None, unfortunately you can only really at home in peace to try everything - if usually already too late. Andi
Antwort von Axel:
Well, fortunately, it is not your own Television. Stay as long as you do in Pal-Resolutionfilmst, just s.ein classic 4:3 tube device, such as Matthias suggests. This morning I only had a candidate for the Postdamer film school in a film with an application DVCPro assists. Many Freaks and Cracks (and as you see with Matthias, synonymous professionals) take care not to issue this resolution. There is no more exciting and better jobs, than to play with light and the cut to juggle.
"Andi C." wrote:
I would like to emphasize that I try a new tv with my father's place (SonyKDL-32S2010) and I myself have not yet decided a particular television, which I find most synonymous somewhat faint, but it seems likely to be normal at the lcd's . One can buy me probably diminish None, unfortunately you can only really at home in peace to try everything - if usually already too late.
My own LCD (bought on printing my roommate friends wg. Design) has a good contrast, good sound and a passable viewing angle. I have one of my own DVDs to test with them and about 20 devices, plasma and LCD, viewed in different stores (all values in the middle set). The purchase, I do not, but this is a small tip.
Antwort von Andi C.:
Ondanke for the tips, I will take into account. Mir ist es halt sought synonymous in the future, since so many already such a hyper-modern television standard that has somehow reasonably effectively. Since I'm very self-critical, and high-quality content already (apart of content) optical begin, I would like to halt the optimum rausholen. Werd halt try, try ... Thanks again! Andi
Antwort von Pianist:
"Andi C." wrote:
Since I'm very self-critical, and high-quality content already (apart of content) optical begin, I would like to halt the optimum rausholen. Werd halt try, try ...
Self-criticism is synonymous with the very important thing in this profession, but You should not really mad. This whole new large flat panel awaken in the viewers' needs, which previously were not there. Normal marketing. The fact that the vast majority of people (no preference of whether their own camera or from the television) Television's no good enough signal to play can offer, rather then provide for frustration and disappointment.
If you have this exact question on the ground want to go, you should see your camera with times directly into a large-Television Department and the sellers go there ask that you look at different TVs at your own recordings can. You should really clean but then turned good by Tripod exposed his recordings. Then you can give you an impression of how big the quality difference between the devices. And always keep a certain viewing distance, and roughly three times the respective diagonal. Television and Television are no Nahseher ... :-)
Matthias
Antwort von Axel:
OFF TOPIC with buying and selling psychology: The consultant in a media market will only get paid, you a good eye on the press. He will seek your opinion as to influence. He will try to test yourself and assess where he can begin the lever. Many people are against this tactic badly armed and not buy the best or not at the best price. This can be prevented, we can not make the whole thing as a game to see. Never immediately show something like that one. If the seller says its product, a skeptical face or to highlight a negative point (which makes the quality of the product actually see an objective). If he schleimt ( "I've noticed the same so that you know have"), thank you dry, then the mucus away. The very weak bargaining should even make s.selben day on no way to buy something and Money and Credit Cards at home leave.
A good starting position is his own test. If the seller in the department have no pedestal, you (for example, with your camera) to test, it is clear that you do not buy there. You set the conditions.
My opinion - probably full coverage with Matthias, who is an LCD or plasma to buy, because he believes a better car so that picture to have is a variety of buyers, the earlier warning of a major media market, have not taken seriously: La-la la let's you do not muck around, especially not with the price.
Antwort von Pianist:
"Axel" wrote:
The very weak bargaining should even make s.selben day on no way to buy something and Money and Credit Cards at home leave.
Absolutely! I thought synonymous only that he is an overview will be to the scale of the different qualities to be able. Under no circumstances should he immediately what to buy. I consider the major markets, synonymous only as a place where many devices are next to each other. So a kind of aquarium. Who will someday know what he wants to buy, will be surprised that often the small dealer in his own neighborhood priced absolutely can keep the device and even provides free housing.
Matthias
Antwort von Andi C.:
No, do not worry, wait eigentl. always zieml. until I purchase something. Especially with new things of which I still have little idea and still stuck in the early stages. (my father is good because otherwise, unfortunately, when I think of what would have been able to buy d. monetary immature that it has clumping hingeblättert. d. but is a different topic) Find it really great of you that you've taken the time to help me. If yes, how I could see, often hundreds of times the same question, which is incredibly annoying sure ..... habs really trying to understand before I wrote here, but then they come mostly from the hundredth to thousandth.
THANK YOU!
beautiful evening Andi
Antwort von Markus:
"Andi C." wrote:
No, do not worry, wait eigentl. always zieml. until I purchase something.
Quite as long as you do not have to wait, but I rattle before major investment is always some sources I know and Test Reports from. And it will not hurt to get a report for ¬ 2 fee download from the Internet, where so bad avoided.
This has in the past worked very well, but you have to read critically Reports (keyword: interpreting results) and should not blindly any Testsieger buy.
