DVL-Digest 1156 - Postings: Index Not to beat this to death Uh Oh - RE: Avid XDV tips Not to beat this to death - Adam Wilt Sure, let's beat this to death. ;-) > But more importantly, both you and Gary are talking like the issue of > real-time still is a problem. It's not! And, it hasn't been for years! > StormDV "practically" eliminates waiting for both 2D and 3D FX. XDV and > FCP "practically" eliminate preview waits. (Both of these run on > laptops.) And so does purple on a fast machine. And as a benefit, unlike XDV or FCP, you can see it out 1394. > By "practically" I mean 2 color corrected clips with 1 2D or 3D > transition between. Now, if one does multilayer projects -- at some > point even an 844 will make you wait! Well, sure! > And, don't count Adobe or Matrox out either! My Digisuite DTV is crankin' away under Premiere's control; I ain't counting it out. But it's a wee bit pricier than purple (though cheaper than an 844!). > All of these solutions are under . The issue of waiting is over! > There's no reason to buy a product that's not real-time - even if it is > cheaper as time is money. Sure there is: the most important feature of an NLE isn't RT vs. non-RT, it's the interface. FASTstudio (er, um, liquid / edition) has a unique UI and workflow that many folks swear by. I appreciate the no-loss journaling project files and no-worries background rendering immensely even if I'm not as giddy about the rest of the UI as some folks are. I have a variety of Macs running FCP 3.0 that I have access to, some capable of RT FX in the Canvas and some not capable. Y'know, RT is kinda cool -- but I personally don't find it so useful that I'll move a project from the non-RT Mac in my room to the RT Mac in the lab. Tweaks I can do with still frames; really complex stuff like multilayer comps won't preview in RT anyway, and anything I care about I need to see AS VIDEO anyway -- not in the Canvas, not via an GPU's S-Video out, but as real, honest-to-goodness, pukkah VIDEO. I can do a wee bit of that with an RTMac -- but most stuff still has to render. > Lastly, FAST developed background rendering to support a board that had > many processors on it. Yup, the inTime board. It helps. > Canopus can now do 4-5 streams with 2 CPUs. So 4 should > easily support 12 streams. Let's see, if one woman can have a baby in 9 months, then 9 women can have a baby in one month! OK, OK, I'm overstating it. purple isn't as fast on an 800 MHz PIII (sorry, that's all I've got to run it) as needed to render simple FX so quickly I can see them without waiting -- and that's with the inTime board, to boot. All I'm saying is that RT is only ONE factor to be considered in a system. Too often it's sold as the make-or-break feature -- and all else being equal, OK. But when it's part of a mix of features, I'll look at all the elements affecting workflow, including the design philosophy of the UI, the quality of the pix, the accessibility of the feature sets, the robustness, etc. For the kind of cutting I do, RT isn't the most important thing, not by a long shot. It *is* very nice, though, isn't it? ;-> As always, your mileage may vary... AJW [Any bizarre line breaks courtesy of OS X's Mail.app. Think Different!] Uh Oh - RE: Avid XDV tips - "Valerie Shoaps" Hi Steve, I think I replied without my brain. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but this thread would've helped me a lot two months ago, maybe it will interest others. >I've found eveything I need to do works in RT so I've not bothered about >"rendering" any more than I do with a Storm. And, I've only got a 933 >P3. Me too, except for some short dissolves. I'm proud to say I've never used a Page Peel ;-) >YOU QUOTE ME: "Despite drag-and-drop, a new Avid user will quickly >discover he or she can not simply click-select a clip in a timeline and >then delete, cut, copy, move, or edge-trim it." > >> Sure you can. Click on Segment/Lift mode on the bottom of the >> timeline > >You made my point -- I'm sure you quickly discovered that UNTIL YOU >CHANGED MODES you could do nothing. So there's a wasted step. It's only a keystroke. A great thing is how customizable XDV is. I have my segment mode buttons mapped to the Y and U keys. Press a key, then just grab the clip. Then splice is V, overwrite is B, extract is X and lift is Z. Those are out of the box keys. It's the same as Premiere, because in AP, you still have to select a tool. 3 strokes is 3 strokes. If I'm wrong, it's because I haven't used Premiere in awhile. >> to move clips around or paste, delete or move. > >NOT EXACTLY: IF you lassoed the clips you can delete by DEL but not by >Extract or Lift. However, IF you Marked a clip -- typically via a 4 step >procedure, now you can Extract/Lift but not DEL to delete. Nope. To make a clip, park on it, and 'T'. In and Out's are marked. I like that. >>>> You may need to set the destination FOR MOVING by parking the >>>> timeline marker (blue line) or have it snap to edit points. Then >>>> you can nudge frame by frame with the , and . keys. <<< > >As I said, you cannot simply drag a clip. It's a 2-3 step process. OK on that one. >>>> Edge Trim is just going into Trim Mode. > >Ah yes, the 4th Avid mode! You must enter a MODE to edge trim. For an edge trim, yes. For regular trim mode, you have to enter that tool just like XDV. OK on that. >And, if >you next want to adjust a sound level by a rubber band -- you've got to >exit Trim mode and enter Non-segment mode. Now you've got to set at >least 2 keyframes. Finally you get to adjust it. Way too slow for me! Whew... you're more hardcore than me. Avid has it's Audio Toolset, which is... hahaha... a whole different toolset. I just do audio at it's own stage. Maybe slower to work that way for you and others. >>>> I haven't found out how to cut and paste clips yet. >>>> When I need to, I will. I just move them. > >That can be a pain! To use the Avid COPY command -- you need to be in >the correct mode, and have selected the clips correctly -- then you'll >get be able to use Extract, Lift, and Copy. Tip: EITHER segment mode and >do NOT lasso or shift-click to select. Now you can press C just like you >press Z or X. And you can Paste at the blue line. Good tip. Thanks. >Stay tuned for an XDV V3 tutorial designed for Premiere and Media 100 >users. You do not need to use XDV the way Avid tells you. (Mother isn't >always right!) In this case, it was Dad. "Valerie, it's foolish to buy a MacIntosh" he told me when I was buying my first personal computer. "Just a few crazy artists that use them". Apparently Dad forgot he sent me to college in the mid to late 80's for DTP. The last year or so, it's become very ap"parent" (sic) that I made the wrong choice for myself going Intel. I've been feeling it. XDV is one of the only programs that makes me go "aaahhh" (besides AE). Hmmm... the Mac version should be out next month. Ouch!!! Back to pricing a dual G4 and an Igniter card. In the meantime, I'm still a one woman (and sometimes I have a partner... nice English guy) PC only shop. No dogs either... landlord says no. I'm not totally enamoured with the XDV world. The program itself is over priced, plugins for AVX cost more, nothing but 720x480 dv, there's a lack of learning media, etc... . I do find myself saying "that's pretty cool" when using it. Sorry if this is noise. I was out too late last night and up way too late this morning to sleep. Work? Nah. Valerie (diese posts stammen von der DV-L Mailingliste - THX to Adam Wilt and Perry Mitchell :-) [up] |
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