Frage von wilo:
Hey folks,
My grandpa wants his old DV Cam with a new cam swap, not more than 1000 euros s.besten, viewfinders and necessarily, because I told him that we now must have high-definition ... Na and it should not be too small!
The various formats faces receptive to it. Cards would be legally synonymous to him. Will be filmed outside and inside, family reunions and sowas little zoom.
He has a flat screen TV and a hard disk recorder, which he continued for dubbing to DVD want to use. If necessary, I can find the exact products.
He wanted back in like a Sony, but I have it now anyway, the Canon HV30 is recommended. Was this useful? Or should he wait a bit with the purchase? Or a few euros more lie down? Or no HD? Alternatives to the HV30's so hard, is not it?
Schonmal Thanks in advance for any answers!
lg Thomas
Antwort von immanuelkant:
In the price range, there is only the choice between Canon HV20/30 and SonyHDR-HC7 / 9, which may in the same league.
If one leaves aside ideology, then, these cameras as equivalent measure. No, the other superior.
The Canon - and Sony models have against pros and cons that each must weigh for themselves. In addition, there are so many articles and threads.
I chose the HC9 of Sonyentschieden. Rash gave me better quality, better ergonomics, the LANC port and the improved sound.
Antwort von x-ray:
I have the HV 20 (identical HV 30) and the HC 9 each and I also tried out for the HC 9 decided. The decisive criteria were approximately the same as with my previous speakers (ergonomics, processing and Lanc).
The HV 30 with the (supposedly) better internal Micro is there yet. From the much-"superb" image quality of the HV 20 was at least in my experiments in comparison to HC 9 nothing to see (with both automatic as synonymous with various manual settings).
My impression was: Sonyhat the better the auto factory and the synonymous "assistance programs" are perfectly acceptable.
This had the Canon (with the exception of the zoom lever) the better handling - that's at Sony over the touch screen a bit cumbersome.
Therefore, the better Sonydie Photo function.
A little longer, I have considered with regard to the analog inputs - which Sony has not. On closer reflection, I have but then decided against, because the use of the same is unlikely and the Sony advantages for me have predominated.
Since I now synonymous an underwater housing for the Cam to call my own, I afterwards again to my decision congratulated - by the lack of remote control was available for the HV 20 is
an enclosure - with the Sony If the choice of "affordable" housing through snorkel to totally "professional" underwater housings synonymous to the complete range of camera functions.
Antwort von wilo:
Thanks for the info!
I'll see what he has to say:)
Antwort von wilo:
Ok, after the latest test of the SonyHDR-SR11 I would give it almost to this guess.
However, the HF10 would be synonymous not bad .... ach is always difficult when one wants to spend money:)
Antwort von immanuelkant:
Please think again! Of the AVCHD cameras at the moment, I would still advise against: While we now HDV with normal market PCs now very performant can edit, AVCHD footage is due to the higher compression in HDV yet to see the correct "tough" on the PC. Thus, the post is not really fun.
Antwort von charly:
Hi,
AVCHD to:
see it but times of the positive: Endich again a really good reason for a new PC to buy :-)
With your Q6600 but AVCHD should not be a problem, I have only a 6400er and it is synonymous - although not live, but still.
Who ever with a P133 + Fast AV Master + Media Studio Pro films dealt with the shocks so quickly no time! At that time I had for 1 minute film about 1 hours to render! There are then 10 min but harmless :-)
Antwort von immanuelkant:
.... There are then 10 min but harmless :-) yes, but the grandfather of the thread creator for which the new camera so should be coming directly from DV editing. The will be very frightened if he feels the difference. Grandpa is used when cutting namely that the material does not resist ;-)
So I have therefore, synonymous with my PC plenty aufgerüsteteten consciously decide for HDV.
There are Ettlich, despite Quad complain about loss of performance ...
Antwort von bobby-c:
The advantages of tape recording are clearly still the better treatment options and (for me very important) the safe, easy and inexpensive archiving (recording medium is also the long-term backup). Disk recording, I am very skeptical - thermal issues that drive noise and stability are just some of the criteria for my KO.
If it is solely on the television or even burned directly to DVD is as raw material (almost) no preference.
However, the SR 11 yes unwieldy yet (because smaller) than the previously mentioned above.
Antwort von wolfgang:
With your Q6600 but AVCHD should not be a problem, I have only a 6400er and it is synonymous - although not live, but still.
Charly, I do not know quite what you are with "not live" cut mean. But I can only tell you that synonymous to 3.3 Ghz on my Q6600 overclocked 1920s, the new AVCHD both of the SR11 as synonymous of the HF10 with only very limited preview capabilities play.
A native AVCHD stream 1920 can be just so with the full frame rate playback in effects or dissolves is the end of the flagpole achieved. NLE Vegas 8 Pro.
Either it converts the 1920s AVCHD material fact to intermediates, or it restricts his claims s.eine reasonable HD preview the clear cut but one. Go, but it is a personal decision - with which I still can not quite friends. On the other hand, I cut out the "old" HDV or synonymous, the full-HD material, or a EX1 JVC HD6 almost like butter on such a machine.
I think you can make an AVCHD camcorder to buy 1920 - should have this problem before bescheid know. If you intensely and comfortably cut, is currently still in the form of mpeg2 HDV, or full-HD a very good choice. And the HV30 is not a bad device, here called for the price limit.
Antwort von wilo:
Hm .. my grandpa does not use a PC to cut, but played the entire film on his hard disk recorder, 1-2 scenes cut out and then copied it to DVD. Is that because with all the cams?
Antwort von kafix2008:
Grandpa then takes at least one camera which has a corresponding interface (DV / IEEE1394/iLink or analog video interface).
At least DV / IEE1394/iLink likely to interface with AVCHD devices - as opposed to HDV - but missing!
Antwort von kafix2008:
AGREES - as hard disks, DVDs and memory solutions mainly in the AVCHD format, you have to be synonymous thinking about making the signal. The easiest way is safe with FireWire (usually has any tape Cam - So HDV).
The (usually AVCHD) applied via the USB transfer method is expected to fall flat - perhaps the hard drive recorder but a memory card slot - if he still synonymous Cam of the generated files, it would perhaps be synonymous.
If you have a different model, it is of the highest quality only if both sides (ie, the recorder and the Cam) have an HDMI port ... everything else is associated with loss of quality - for example, the signals (analog) via SVHS or RCA (or what the respective camcorder s.Ausgängen else has).
So very clear Recommendation: SonyHC 7 / 9 or Canon HV 20 / 30.
Qualitatively, there is really no difference - the more likely see the "brand fetishists" ... Your grandpa times should go into a shop, Cams times both in hand and then decide. Can not really go wrong ...
Antwort von wilo:
Thanks for your help! Now I am smarter:)
Antwort von wilo:
Unfortunately, my grandfather is now with the idea of the camera from the head beaten, after he had Sonyin hand and stated that he had all the important things only through a mini-Display can be set ...
Antwort von siematic:
Unfortunately, my grandfather is now with the idea of the camera from the head beaten, ... I hope the Camera has "survived" - ... and your grandpa has no more headaches ... ;-)
Antwort von immanuelkant:
well, then it is with a SonyHDR-FX1 / 7 to try - which still has plenty of buttons and levers Chen ;-)
