Frage von hdddfsa:
Hello
Unfortunately, my old s.Samstag Cam, a Panasonic nvgs 250 witty abandoned.
Now that I have to buy a new, had for 1500 ¬ available.
This must, therefore, since I'm fair filmmakers.
I Fotographieren movies and rides on the funfair, and the next schedule is nunmal this Friday.
With my old nvgs 250, I was satisfied with mediocre, sometimes at less light to dark, slightly blurred ...
Well, my thoughts were only a nvgs 500 apply.
But thought to myself, what is it with Hdtv from ... was 1500 ¬, this is surely what what my requirements.
At least I think that ... what makes me aback just have somewhere reads this fast-moving objects is not clean can be, could be disastrous for me.
To give an example, breakdance should really enough of the kirmes know when I sit there and film, or of foreign movies, it should already be clear, clearer than of the outside of the inside, is so clearly through the unique movement.
Halt the question is, what can I do with my 1500 ¬ sensible growth me what I will not regret it later, and my requirements?
500 ¬ it would be if I still synonymous it is worthwhile or .. I just want what ordinary.
Wide Angle lens is of course synonymous of distress, with my old Nvgs 250, it was really horrible, when you from 30m distance is still only half the business it has. : (
Well, I hope those who can help.
Gruß Dennis:)
Antwort von Johannes:
I think you'll you an extra Wide Angle intent to buy.
What are you doing Sonyvx2000 Of the 2100 or hold? They are synonymous good pictures in low light it. The vx 2100 but will cost more than ¬ 2000.
In the HD area, I know I'm not so good. The only thing I once heard that in many cameras to pan the images are very blurred.
Antwort von VipA:
Hello Dennis,
there will be a new device, or does it a used synonymous?
S.einem If you're interested in used equipment, then shows you the times SonyPD-150 or PD-170 at. (the latter is for ¬ 2000, however, somewhat difficult to get to)
The PD-150 is very bright, I think this is important for you, as you possibly synonymous determines times at night films.
MfG Vipa
Antwort von Jan:
The only thing I once heard that in many cameras to pan the images are very blurred. John, John .....
My tip:
- SD PAL 576i - Canon DM XM 2
- HD 1080i PAL - SonyHC 7
I say it again, when the carousel (ride) and turn the camera on a rigid tripod stands - is not a blur to see more light at faster Nachzieheffekte pan - it must be respected. This is true for HDV, AVCHD in looks different.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Wolfpeter-Hans-Dieter:
Greet you all together!
If you have a really light Camera is looking for the vx2100 probably s.allerbesten. The cost about ¬ 1500 but, at least new.
For the XM2 Jan suggested I have heard that they are not so heavy to be light (4 lux ???). Since, however, am not quite so sure. If, however, it would, I would advise you of this, because the vx1000, the synonymous 4 LUX needs, made in low-light shots are not particularly good (and quite unschärfe this "griesseln").
MfG Peter Wolf
Antwort von Bernd E.:
XM2 ... 4 lux ???... vx1000 ... synonymous 4 LUX Lux values suck little to Lowlight Comparison of actual performance, and the especially if they are of different manufacturers. Unfortunately, it is defined differently at any (and still retains the synonymous for itself), when a still picture in the dark as "good" is.
In this particular case I would XM2 of a visibly better picture than the VX1000 trust, without it being quite s.das the VX2000 or the VX2100 comes.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Andreas-1976:
First, thanks for the reply! ;)
I have to believe me clarify something.
That with the light in the dark is not the biggest criticisms. Or. Most rides are very well lit, so that the existing lighting still showed good results.
Only in the sunset, twilight wars mostly too dark.
Tripod I use rarely, put my camera in the film where, s.geländer, or just drive (onride) with movies and the ride.
There was the small handy nvgs 250 very well.
s.ehesten I would take the Sony HC7 of grasping.
@ Jan: What do you mean? AVCHD is even worse, or rather better for fast movements?
Gruß Dennis
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
XM, the 2 is for me at least a trace lichtschwächer a little better than GS 250 - but not much. VX 2100 is still better (brighter & less verauscht) but not at length.
I was rather in the AF XM2 annoyed, now I always do everything with MF because it is no preference, light dark contrasts like the metering of XM 2 synonymous not so happy (happy over exposed - but can be offset with Spotlight) - otherwise it is for me a good camera - just in your price range.
Ich hab halt with the GS 500 (GS 250 are very similar) starting, then XM 2, then FX is now 7 PD 170 (professional version of VX 2100) - because I have a few synonymous not only angelesene experiences.
Yes my company at 5 lux, the camera can still work, but honestly how noisy and dark, the picture at 5 lux with a 400 ¬ Camera?
Or you have to spend even more stop for a VX 2100th
AVCHD camcorder pans are very overwhelmed, perhaps, the data of MPEG 4 about 12-15 Mbit / s - depending on the model) are not yet as strong as HDV MPEG 2 25 Mbit / sec. Yes they say with MPEG 4 can halfway with the same data the same quality as rauszaubern with MPEG 2, I think but not so tuned.
Once a user here with his impressions of the test reports in a very acclaimed Panasonic HDC SD 1 kund has done, I have the HDV AVCHD models and the models tested s.mehreren panel.
Yes he was right to HC 5 & 7, a slight Nachzeiheffekt in pans, on AVCHD camcorders is already visible, and unusable for some people.
But what will annoy you, Panasonic comes with distance much better than the Sharp, Canon, especially for your type of light, blue & red like they do not come quickly and the pump, I was incredibly surprised by how long the GS 500 has throughout the focus point can be found without the hassle of pumping, they can pass the time "abhaut", many users XL 1 was very surprised, wa the "cheap" Panasonic as it has. But s.Ende do you prefer manual removal - the question is whether you want?
If you go to train with the high bounce want versuch SonyHC 7, I do not know what you think of a vision device uses your PC and what it can show.
GS 500 is very similar to your GS 250, which would only be an exchange.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Johannes:
What do you think of the Sony Trv 950. It is handy (small), has 3 CCD chips. The camera is often at the TV for indoor shots taken in a car. Or just the TRV 900th I am not sure but I think this camera is not new anymore.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
I am not sure but I think this camera is not new anymore. There are now a long time of no two more - which in the case of the TRV900 is extremely unfortunate because it was a great camera. The successor was in some TRV950 score is a step backwards and has never attained popularity of the TRV900.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Wolfpeter-Hans-Dieter:
To an old camera but not würd I absolutely recommend ... ich hab mir synonymous for some time before vx1000 the outside still looked almost like new, bought and it was after a month of scrap. The budget amounted to ¬ 450 ... the trv900 likely yes synonymous not much newer than the vx1000, or?
Antwort von mixmax:
Sunday ..
Do me now for the HC 7 decided what was a clear mistake.
The HD quality time I think of something for ....
So, in my opinion, worse than my old nvgs 250th
Entteuscht am really over it, I thought that was good had increased. Also, the retailer said there are worlds in between ...
Perhaps I can not just synonymous with around ... Only the shots of the castle here in front of the door are not really as sharp as with my old ... rather on the contrary! All very vague, dark ... Tross sonenschein in the back!
Yes I have asked to HDV, Dv is again much worse ..
: (
Gruß Dennis
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
I think you just do not ...
Place it out of original material in m2t here, eg on www.rapidshare.de diene and post link here.
Want to see ...
Antwort von mixmax:
I am currently in the process.
maybe it's just synonymous my expectations.
After all geschwermt so I have simply presented anything more than what I can do now.
I think it's worse.
Precisely because of minimal movement itself constitute streak ...
I do not know how the nacher look for a ride, you can very well but I imagine ...
Well, you SCHAUS that maybe I do just what's wrong synonymous.
Link to the same.
Gruß Dennis
Antwort von mixmax:
http://rapidshare.com/files/23374062/20070329190023.m2t.html
Gruß Dennis
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Precisely because of minimal movement itself constitute streak ... I've known, you can customize the player is not correctly ...
Correct Setting: deinterlaced / Bob
Apart from the recording is not purely hand-crafted fine. Make time a recording tomorrow with the sun in the back ...
Antwort von mixmax:
'm Not a professional in such matters.
Embarrassed but in the antleitung can capture still and some things found ...
Times what they look tomorrow in its area of them.
Antwort von Rovi75:
Achso yes, the record was no longer with the sun in the back, that's true.
Was a grouper synonymous later * g *.
would be nice to me if you have some settings, etc. could explain:)
Gruß Dennis
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Explain?
I have no HDR-HC7 but miniHDR-HC3. I take advantage, however, the potential of this HDV camcorder to 100% and am very happy with it. I think HDR-HC7 offers still more s.and so I can not understand that here at exploiting the potential of camcorders only equal to 0.1% roared disappointed as you are of the camcorder, it is the failure in its own skills.
Help can be seen, if the questioner is in the template, ie communicates with the settings of the results he has achieved, then the forum may be proposals to make quality improvements.
Expect not to say that someone here for you long Basics page of the video camera technology, lighting, etc. describes. There is literature which you can buy for the training.
Then there is an excellent opportunity for free self-study:
www.google.de
Good luck!
Antwort von allesgutevnn:
Well, I think the the strip, I can change nothing.
And the walk across the entire building once the ride is moving ... Shame on you!
Be the next part sell it or try to give back MM!
Be my times with the XM2 trying to think this is more suited for my area.
Antwort von Wolfpeter-Hans-Dieter:
So that the HC7 has so poor quality glaub ich dir nicht! The cam at the little light is not so good recordings makes clear is actually synonymous and there is no other quality HDCAM level makes anyway. The HDV is not yet fully mature so you will now synonymous clear. But the recordings of the times I seen a HC7've been quite in order, your constant patrols since I've never seen! Maybe you're really doing something wrong? Well, in any case, the XM2 is a very good cam, which would perhaps be the beginning of s.die been a better choice ...
Antwort von esel110:
Yes, as I said, I film rides.
The evenings are very colorful and alternating lights, turn quickly and use fog Stroboscopes.
When the strobe s.ist I have about 5mm thick black strip with 5mm spacers in between the images.
The stripes can be seen synonymous s.der point where the business is just quick turns.
The flood light draw heavily after what synonymous with exposure, etc. Not much improvement has brought.
In kirmes range (my only non-operational), it is just unusable.
Gruß Dennis
Antwort von Jan:
Since it was not about "Long Exposure" to "on" to where the camera to 1 / 25 & 1 / 12 sec for free in less light is not it?
I can not watch your video, even after the download, I can not open it, my PC is probably too old ....
Well, the XM AF 2 has massive problems with less light, especially with changing light (colors - red & blue), you can believe me or not, Panasonic GS 500 makes it much better. Test it stop, maybe the hype is still enough light for good contrast Determination of Camera, at my concert and backstage footage, it has in the Disiplin disappointed, I know some synonymous to synonymous XL owners there have problems with many AF is Canon 576i models prefer less light to make out.
I've only synonymous in my market with the HC 7 filmed, I found the material is very strong for 1300 ¬, it looked s.verschiedenen TVs SonyKDL 40 W 2000 (Full HD darling of the masses at the moment) or Philips 37 PF 7331 very neatly made, with the use of a tripod can someone without any problems through the Picture "race" of a customer I have a daughter and filmed a little hairs on the zoom, the parents were so flat as the fine details of the blonde hair looked, and meant, on the other hand, is a 576 i with a Picture slush & Consumer absolute mush.
Bruno I think Peter has been synonymous lots of practical experience in the class of a completely wrong choice for a GM 20 & HC 7 can not expect for my FX 7 Recording has never been what geruckelt, or was so nearby, you will laugh at me hab me with her as with a 576i Camera felt, but the sharpness benefits s.den panels already seen.
I want to condemn and Canon not synonymous beside the SonyHC 7 the Canon HV 20 recommendations, synonymous if you might stay at 576i, which is quite wrong is not synonymous.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Shalveon:
Hey Jan,
I find your posts insightful and really friendly.
Whereas Mr. Peter is a bit gruff - stress reduction in the forum? :-P
In any event, I want you - Jan - sometimes wonder whether you P170er of Sony would still recommend. Almost as needed "new acquisitions". Today's offer can not, I think with the older models to keep pace. (Find times in the price range of P170 S / W Display)
However, nowhere do I get a P170 in the fingers to give me the spot to look. Therefore, I am glad you "found" to have :-)
Please get out and Tob swarms me some of your cam, so my money out of the bag easier flutscht ;-)
Regards
Shalv
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
maybe I'm more stressed out here, but I'll give my effort to stay loose.
It is actually not my Cam, but Cam a web TV channel, but with where I belong to. But I do very often make the recordings, I say now my "PD 170th
This is probably very much the s.was Jenig so wishes.
On Web TV, low light, interviews & concerts PD 170 is truly unbeatable in the area. Excellent quality of light & snooze XLR jacks for connection to the professional sound, DVCAM recording - a "friend Cutter" - as there Timcode of free choice is what the film footage of 5 cameras at a concert synchronous interface for the editors to make it significantly easier.
Except you've got plenty of money to a Digibeta afford, but for that you will need another MAZ
Antwort von pezi:
Hi again,
I am pleased with your prompt reply.
In short the answer's shooting for: I want to film in general. Nothing concrete. So all-rounder.
What you stress because "here"? What is "here"? The Forum or the work? : o)
Allllsssoooo I would obviously like a camera, with which I not so much dependent on external lighting bin. Strong light is a Pros. HD has it can not be synonymous. Sharp Picture is of course always synonymous Pros. If it is not beyond the budget.
Since I work synonymous with Cubase and the sound of decency would wish to edit XLR connections - and a generally good audio section of the Camera of course something delicious.
Ultimately, the videos will be synonymous with post-production and 3D animation, be what a Mini DV or DVCAM format "inevitable" does. You probably already realize what I'm looking for: The non-existent eierlegende Wollmichsau - and the euro around 2000. I hope it wakes me not too soon from my dream :-)
Short deviation of the PD170 .... what do you think of the Panasonic AG-DVX 100 BE? The synonymous seems to me a very interesting device to be.
So enough "stress" of me for today.
Until delay - ich freu mich on further talk shop :-)
Shalveon
Antwort von Jan:
Hello Shalveon,
The DVX 100 (the old - AE) I could already "live" look, but it is not already long time ago.
Particularly impressive is the basic focal length of 32,5 mm and intensity of F 1,6 consistently - one rarely sees.
The mechanical coupling of the zoom ring is very unusual synonymous in the class, No durchdrehen of the ring as the 170th PD
The 25 P program in conjunction with the functions Cine gamma Cine Matrix & the DVX was quite popular for music videos, the recording interval at Naturfilmern.
The DVX 100 is not quite s.die "noise free" & Lichempfindlichkeit of PD 170 is not much worse.
The SW Viewfinder of PD 170 but I think especially in Lowlight practical, but the DVX has a larger LCD monitor.
That included Micro - although it is probably only a few filmmakers use-I think when Sony Besser (ECM NV 1).
The Sonybei the expensive PD 170, exactly as in the HDV FX 7 No Charger mitliefert, you could really describe as impudence.
Ok DVX 100 provides a Charger - from the manufacturing Pana consumer class with, but at least one.
That I could be in the DVX 100 AU out.
A user on here said DVX - a camera with easy 16 / 9 letterbox mode is far too expensive to be bought yet.
Yes you can have a anamorphotic buy the 1 / 4 resolution Letterboxmodus return loss of balance, but the example of Century 16 / 9 widescreen synonymous not cheap.
For ¬ 2000 you get the device probably only be used - if at all ...
Times I think the Canon DM XM 2 is for ¬ 1500, probably one of the few semi camcorder, if it is a new camera should be, unfortunately, no XLR.
VG
Jan
