Frage von Didier:
Salut!
I want a unit with us in film school and wants to use 2 cameras, one of the officers he shot and absorbs the other in the Middle. Actually, I planned to set up cameras at an angle (a right, the other left), but now remember s.die "Achssprung" problem. Question: Is this to be negligible (for such talks), or would you recommend in principle the two cameras in the same spot on the speakers to judge?
Merci.Didier.
Antwort von thos-berlin:
If the Camera of links and the other of the right look, then in reverse, the person recorded times of times of left and right show the left and drop s.der Camera gone into the "audience" and the right times. That is for me a leap axis. Regardless of the setting.
If the shot takes up the scene center (person looks in the direction of the camera) and the second camera then filmmt the details, then this is for me no axis jump. Ebesowenig as if the recorded Perrson sits sideways and both cameras have the same face half filming.
In a presentation to the speaker, but look into the audience - therefore a Camera (shot) in Blickrichtung / in the middle.
Antwort von Didier:
I thought it's me.
Ie shot of the front and close of the Page (left) would be ok. What is usual, both cams on the same page or as I suggested (Totale center and near the side)?
Antwort von Wiro:
Question: Is this neglect? Hello,
Axis jumps are never to be neglected - they lead the audience in confusion and seasickness (Sehkrankheit) ;-)
Normally you have the arrangement of windows (light) to a certain set Page. If you miss the shot directly in front of the front take it fairly easily. It is better, however, not frontally (flat) in front of record, but may of the Page. In this case, then both cameras are so that the axis will never be skipped. Sounds complicated s.als it is.
In no case a Achssprung install!
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Debonnaire:
I take many years theater with three cameras: a left, one in the middle and a legally. So you can switch between the cameras and her cut and precisely synonymous different Kadrierungen bring to the film.
This arrangement (which is analogous to the discussion here) does not include a leap axis, because you take so the same object just from two different angles on. An axis jump is only if you have two different objects interacting with each other alternately to be here but what is not the case! Schaut euch doch mal, as in television studios will be filmed and where the cameras are. Even when messages are multiple cameras in a semicircle in front of the speakers arranged, is used. Has anyone here ever lost orientation?
And above all it must be remembered that a speaker who is not, as an actor, aware of / in the camera plays, sometimes straight, sometimes left and right times to the audience watching and talking. Since you're glad if you will not be at every second twister head for several seconds only the back of the speakers aufnimmst, but for others, you can cut frontal Camera!
Antwort von thos-berlin:
I see no contradiction, because the theater have a different "directions" the actors play on stage together. The axis would jump here if you have your other cameras in the background would have.
Also cited in the television studio recordings, the situation is different, because not two cameras from different directions show the same person, but every camera "their" head-person shows and a further shot on the situation and the axes are clarified. Where appropriate, these will be shot (between) geschnitten.
Antwort von Debonnaire:
I see no contradiction, because the theater have a different "directions" the actors play on stage together. The axis would jump here if you have your other cameras in the background would have.
Also cited in the television studio recordings, the situation is different, because not two cameras from different directions show the same person, but every camera "their" head-person shows and a further shot on the situation and the axes are clarified. Where appropriate, these will be shot (between) geschnitten. See even my
fat supplement in the previous post.
Antwort von thos-berlin:
I think the situation "Theater recording" does not in principle to the situation "lecture" by analogy, because I believe the other "Spielrichung" purports other axes.
Let the theater actor in a paper dove Blickrichtung Seim teammates to throw. For all the spectators and the cameras left and right of the stage flies the dove in the same direction (unless a camera is in the backdrop). Same "direction" when Umschnitt = no axis jump.
When the lecturer in the dove raises the auditorium, and when Umschnitt of one camera to another the dove its flight direction changes, then it is an axis jump.
Therefore, it is for me a leap axis, if the teacher only the left, then right s.der Camera vorbeischaut. But I think that from the discussion it becomes clear what Didier consider.
Antwort von Debonnaire:
I think the situation "Theater recording" does not in principle to the situation "lecture" by analogy, because I believe the other "Spielrichung" purports other axes.
Let the theater actor in a paper dove Blickrichtung Seim teammates to throw. For all the spectators and the cameras left and right of the stage flies the dove in the same direction (unless a camera is in the backdrop). Same "direction" when Umschnitt = no axis jump.
When the lecturer in the dove raises the auditorium, and when Umschnitt of one camera to another the dove its flight direction changes, then it is an axis jump.
Therefore, it is for me a leap axis, if the teacher only the left, then right s.der Camera vorbeischaut. But I think that from the discussion it becomes clear what Didier consider. It IS the same situation: You have a level of interest (the stage). Whether there is a speaker, or a group of actors out laterally and her plays, is the same. The Camera and the action will remain in the same relation to each other. If the speaker's paper then dove into the audience actually start, then yes you swing with the following camera / s with, and ask them not to, as a counter shot. And a swing just like a ride (Dolly) is never an axis jump. The journey is sometimes the einizige funds from the axis jump dilemma and to save the axis is "legally" and understandable for the viewer to cross, and then with the new axle next to work.
Antwort von Ansgar:
Even if the topic interested me .... I understand only station.
Did someone times a concrete example of a scene
with and once
without axis jump in direct comparison?
Maybe on youtube?
Antwort von Wiro:
For You Tube I have nothing.
Here, however gaaanz times a concrete example.
Certainly there are better examples, but perhaps you can see what's important.
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von Frank B. nicht eingelogt:
Even if the topic interested me .... I understand only station.
Did someone times a concrete example of a scene with and once without axis jump in direct comparison?
Maybe on youtube? Hello Ansgar,
a concrete example, I have not synonymous, but the whole thing is not difficult to understand. You have yourself a Television and imagine the action that you want to show. Suppose we have a carnival parade. If you are on one side of the street stand, pulls the train of left to right s.Dir over. On your pictures on the television and is so obviously synonymous. If you then for some reason the camera off and the switch side of the street and next films, then pulls the train of right to left s.Dir over. Yourself is the moment in which not to, because you are moving to another Staßenseite have completed for you. However, the viewer of your video recordings will be irritated, as he at once the train of right to left ie in the opposite direction to the original motion on the television looks. The viewer has the spatial information is not that you have the side of the road have changed. The Achssprung (the plot is the tensile axis of the carnival train) irritated in most cases the audience and should therefore be avoided.
You can enter it as the film is technically very well be making use of the middle. I've seen some movie where he has been aware for example, a seemingly endless car ride or disorientation represent synonymous.
Again back to the carnival. Similarly, synonymous can you imagine a person, in the view direction is to you. If you now have a piece left for the person going, look the person of your point of view to the right.
If you go to the right, she looks out of you seen to the left, but the person has rotated. You're just about the view axis of the person gone. So, for video recordings has always been on a Page of the axis of action remain.
If for some reason it is not possible on a Page of the plot axis to stay, you can watch the inevitable Achssprung with a few tricks synonymous "defuse". Either you can run the camera and makes sort of a tracking shot. It is therefore with his audience into the scene and give him the movement of information he needs in order to understand the Achssprung, or a "hidden" by the Achssprung some intermediate cuts.
Frank
Antwort von thos-berlin:
Dear Debonnaire,
then we do not stop zeinander.
For the Theaterauffuhrung admit yes, I'm going right. The (action-) axis runs in a lecture just different.
Whether there is a speaker, or a group of actors out laterally and her plays, is the same. Precisely not. The speaker is talking directly to us. This means that we are part of the scene and the (action-) axis is synonymous in our direction and in its main direction of view. In the theater, the audience and the uninvolved s.Geschehen (action-) axis is determined by the interaction of the actors with each other down
Thank you s.Wiro, in his drawing is very nice comments on the camera position with a lecture from my first posting illustrated. After Debonnaire's view there is no setting axis jump.
Antwort von Wiro:
Well, actually I have my own statement above illustrates.
That it also adapts to your is pure coincidence.
;-)
Gruss Wiro
Antwort von thos-berlin:
The random but fits ;-)
The play is actually quite with the Fußballübetragungen to compare. As are all the (game-) cameras on an important page of the game but on both sides of the midline. Nevertheless, there is no axis jump. Comes when a camera on the other side umgeschnitten is playing. Since then however, a courtesy notice is displayed ( "reverse angle").
OK, it is synonymous games, as is the plot of the center axis, but actually the act should be the axis connecting the two gates to be.
Antwort von Markus:
Hi,
lectures if two cameras have the same location, so has the usfolgende big advantages:
1. It jumps not (recording angle, perspective, light) and synonymous changes of the background of a setting not to the other.
2. A person can have two cameras supervise, or control and the image coordinate. And all without a costly intercom.
3. ... Crap, I forgot. ;-)
