Why do I get a 24p film record with my Canon HV20 HD Cam with Premiere CS3 with the info below (after a successful transfer to the pc) that there are 29.76 fps instead of 24p ... 24p but are not 29.76 fps .
Thanks for any help,
Dezorian
Antwort von Markus:
Exactly the same question was within the last few days have ever made and is synonymous partially answered ... with what keywords you could find that discussion again? Or possibly look at the HV20 section to see ...
Antwort von Markus:
24p was the keyword:
Antwort von DezorianGuy:
What has since partially answered? I have inquired in the adobe forum: Because someone says that the HV20 60i recording, instead of 24p?
Quote: No.. The HV20 records 24p in a 60i stream. Just edit in a normal 60i HDV (29.97) preset.
Antwort von Axel:
"DezorianGuy" wrote:
What has since partially answered? I have inquired in the adobe forum: Because someone says that the HV20 60i recording, instead of 24p?
Quote: No.. The HV20 records 24p in a 60i stream. Just edit in a normal 60i HDV (29.97) preset.
That may be. There is probably some kind of pull. Have you ever tried to thy 29.97 i film as 24p movie from the timeline to export? Is there such option?
My A1 is not a "real" full-on, but two simultaneous fields (which is why the Capture preset only "HDV" is, only the timeline is "HDV25p"). And, as I said, synonymous in Final Cut Pro, there is "24p" with the note "Time Base 29.97". If you would not be able to enable 24p built, would you save the preset. I'm sure it works. You're just next to the hallway with your Cam, only the night watchman is foreign to you at ;-)
Antwort von PowerMac:
24p was always only in DV with pulldown to have. So synonymous here.
DV? I come a bit confused. We talk of HD 24p and I would like to know why some pulldown is used.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Because there is no other way. HDV (2) exist only for 25i and 30i. If you now have 24p, you have it just with a 3:2 pulldown in 30i pack.
Antwort von DezorianGuy:
Does this pull a quality loss?
Antwort von Cocoa_Magazin:
The NTSC version of the HV20 (which I own) is characterized in 24p, writes the data but then oer 60i on tape. That is just so with HDV - is standardized. By pulldown but then we get the 24p singal again with the input filters (eg AspectHD)
Antwort von DezorianGuy:
Eat me up ... so you get through "aspect hd" pulldown by the whole quality? otherwise not?
Antwort von PowerMac:
No.. There is no on-the-24p. 24p, there is only packaged in 30i. Your editing software should therefore 24p @ 30i support (3:2 pulldown).
Antwort von DezorianGuy:
The Canon of Leutchen tell me that s.sich a video with the way to the 24 fps should get out. No. 29, xx ... mine, then I'm not the right program. I asked now, because now what the "right" is ... wait for the mail.
Antwort von PowerMac:
For the analysis s.PC you can, for example, using the Cineform pull rausrechnen, so you have real 24p.
Ok, I have now 24p, but the file seems to be a lot bigger. 8 min = 5 GB Better look it does not seems to be jerky ... oh mann. Had to try AspectHD times.
Any other info, what the reason might be that "pure" 24p are no better than 24 packed in 60i? ~ _ ~ I mean, what is this option in the pulldown "Removers"? For pure 24p, but what is it better? Filesize Bigger? Jerky video?
Hmm ... ok, I'm definitely newbie. But I am somehow synonymous perfectionist set, and wonder why my hd cam not met my expectations: Mögichkeiten there is 2nd
I notice the one that premiere cs3 me unlikely to help, because while there canon 24p mode, but in 30 fps (60i?) Converts, or how it can be found on the cam was recorded (ie, the cam 60i to or 24p?). So just AspectHD helps that I now again in the new version as a demo to download. But ...
I noticed the other hand, if synonymous only recently that "pure" 24p with little improvement to bring (see Problems o.).
I do not want to start with the cutting (mix it with music - do ne kind of music video), as long as I am at least 95% do not know what I have to do it, or until I've reached optimum s.Qualität. :) Well, at least rauskriege what the difference between 24p and 60i, or what they are for dealing with different mean Progr.
I thank all here for the (more and more obvious) insightful discussion.
I understand that already, ... but I find it quiet difficult to film, in Comparison with the DV Cam. Therefore schliert smears and everything. Could be good. Just a quiet film stands well on the plan. I have probably believed that there should be a bit easier NEN Picture shake-free style. Zb is my tripod (not oiled) s.nachziehen something and not redundant. Is this normal for a Tripod? Custom probably a better, more moving, liquids.
Oh yes, one more. 24p fold now as I wanted it with the demo of aspect hd and premiere cs3. About Games jetz nochmal all 20 videos with it. What things do I need to know if I have this material on 24p NTSC DVD burn wishes. Zb iss the size of the 12GB Video, in which converts the s.besten? And how should I then weiterkonvertieren so that they are from the DVD player can play (on a RöhrenTV).
Then would have almost all my questions answered. Besides, what is the exact benefit of "pure" is 24p.
Antwort von Axel:
"DezorianGuy" wrote:
Then would have almost all my questions answered. Besides, what is the exact benefit of "pure" is 24p.
Technically, there is no (almost) only disadvantages. It is a matter of taste. Frames are simply beautiful. You can see it or not, either. Erklär a McDonald's fan to enjoy a fish soup. He will say, iih, bold and full of crabs, then you give him right and make it stay.
"DezorianGuy" wrote:
What things do I need to know if I have this material on 24p NTSC DVD burn wishes. Zb iss the size of the 12GB Video, in which converts the s.besten? And how should I then weiterkonvertieren so that they are from the DVD player can play (on a RöhrenTV).
In Premiere Create a new Project s.with the sequence setting DV NTSC 24 16:9 anamorphic. Cineform your film as you load and render everything inside. You exportierst for Encore (if this is your first DVD, read the entire manual or accompanying you buy reading or a video tutorial), then burn you a DVD. The video is called Mpeg2 codec, audio codec DolbyDigital. Details and stumbling blocks are synonymous here, but to explain in advance does not make much sense. I lend and then when OV-DVDs (movies) from Amiland, and they run without a murmur at halfway modern TVs (less than ten years). Are 24p or 30i? I do not know, I have never respected it.
Antwort von Axel:
"Axel" wrote:
I lend and then when OV-DVDs (movies) from Amiland, and they run without a murmur at halfway modern TVs (less than ten years). Are 24p or 30i? I do not know, I have never respected it.
I have a 5-year-old book about DVD technology Checked: Telecine movies are with 24 images of the original on 30i for NTSC broadcast tormented. The additional images, but neither new nor motion picture information, which is why they are before-Mpeg2 compression is removed. The procedure is called Inverse Telecine or synonymous Remove Telecine (you did right, Dezorian). 2002, at the time of After Effects 5.5, dominated the proceedings. I could not anymore, but the following would Dezorian Cocoa and worth a try: Right in the window "interpret footage" (after the import of footage> file> interpret footage), there is a box Popdown half and pull, separate fields and remove the pulldown. It should then appear: Effective frame rate, 24, 000fps. Whether that goes with HDV? But there are certainly synonymous in the Windows world as a kind of intermediate codec. Good luck, guys!
Antwort von DezorianGuy:
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Antwort von DWUA:
An Alexander Kluge says: "A film shows 24 photos and 24 times Black picture per second, so it's dark half the time in movies. A lot of time on their own fantasies, feelings and thoughts. "
Antwort von DezorianGuy:
How romantic and poetic. Yet too philosophical, this answer;) Other questions: What problems might I have lies, because everything I do now "clear" do 24p? Premiere, conversion, or otherwise technically ...
Antwort von Axel:
"DezorianGuy" wrote:
How romantic and poetic. Yet too philosophical, this answer;) Other questions: What problems might I have lies, because everything I do now "clear" do 24p? Premiere, conversion, or otherwise technically ...
Hast thou as the first in your other thread discovered bucking motion by poorer resolution. A clear technical disadvantage. Moreover, the effort that you have to run to I in this world with the material to be able to work. Then you can set it to your heart's scale, the web, in full glory on all playback devices represent. Look just at the Wolfgang's HDV Blog whole original "i" streams on the calculator to: Interlace combs, and still shakes (with the calculator makes the Worst deinterlaces back 25, respectively. 30 phases thereof). With the VLC player you can see the clips as a sensible view deinterlacete show (> video> deinterlace> Discard). The Picture shrinks to half size, because every second row was discarded. There are now 25 full frames. If you now make a stop image, there is no line artifacts more. Look at the film again "normal" once s.and with "discard". Which film you will find more attractive? Since your camera as progressive scanning, you will remain at the same image.
"DWUA" wrote:
An Alexander Kluge says: "A film shows 24 photos and 24 times Black picture per second, so it's dark half the time in movies. A lot of time on their own fantasies, feelings and thoughts. "
On this technical disadvantage of analog film, unfortunately, you have to forgo. Also holds an advantage: The rhythmical flicker of light in a dark room hypnotizes the viewer and draws him to spell. No "philosophy", but empirically proven. Unfortunately, it is synonymous "white" on a screen rather than a light color, and on your Medion tube there is a contrast of 1:100 anything. Wünsch dir for Christmas a new TV (not necessarily "Full HD", Eighth easy on a good picture, synonymous with SD).
"Axel" wrote:
In Premiere Create a new Project s.with the sequence setting DV NTSC 24 16:9 anamorphic. Cineform your film as you load and render everything inside.
Try synonymous times, the sequence as a DV PAL 24 16:9 anamorphic them. At the moment I find no reason why this should not work (picture salad? Asynchronous sound? No clue). You would then have a picture for DVD altitude of 576 instead of just 480th
Antwort von DezorianGuy:
and again I do not know exactly what I should do ... 24p or 29fps ... I let this fateful decision. In any case thank you for all lessons. : P I meld me again if I encounter another problem should (should not be long). ;)
Antwort von wasy2:
Hm, why are the videofile (24fps) is now about 24gb instead of 12? So twice as large. Although actually images (frames) rausgenommen ... I have been synonymous Extra Small Size elected ...
Antwort von DezorianGuy:
The above was of me, not of the host. : P Now have with the AspectHD mode, remove pulldown performed (for pure 24fps) and low size 16GB ..... done. Nevertheless isses more than the 12 with normal I would get 30fps HD on Premiere HD-normal procedures.
So that's now a further disadvantage with 24fps that the videos are even bigger now? How can the quality be increased because even if one such. B. chooses not small, but medium, large, or even moviescan1 or 2 (50 GB and higher per file)?
If I with 20 GB of files must handle, but fit the garnichtmehr on DVD ... no preference as to whether I will still encode ...
The premiere with AspectHD worked in 24fps videos are AVIs (larger) and the normal Premiere HD 30fps videos are mpeg (small).
Antwort von Axel:
Since HDV is heavily compressed, would be any major change (such as a recalculation!) Excessive loss of quality when you compare it to the original antäte. Constructed with a large file (I know the codec does not exist for the choice of the correct quality level no instructions?). The workflow is that you do in the film premiere cut and finished as an independent film ausgibst. Then you give the s.Aspect HD. The resulting file you draw for the DVD in a project with DV size. 12 GB finished film can possibly 50 GB or more shows. That means you have a film 1 hours cut. Fairly long. Had it not done 10 minutes? 1 hours film is then also as a DV 12 GB, as Mpeg 2 SD for the DVD is only 4 GB.
Antwort von DezorianGuy:
Sorry, can not quite follow. So, I make mistakes all the grade at 24p incorporated to make it after editing. I will therefore only record 30fps (12GB) and then cut ready to bring it in then maybe 24fps (about 20GB) to convert. Currently, the file should be in the end not "small", rather bigger? For example, the HD video output the same size as a DV movie. So I ask of course I understand why with Aspect HD 24p a transformation to the file can be so extreme zoom (up to 50GB and more). I mean, who has so much space, not even a BlueRay, right?
Ok, let's say, I have a Full HD Bravia LCD screen with me rumhängen. I would like a self-made HD-DVD movie of the players want to play (Blue-ray or HD discs are still too expensive). How would I do? Obviously I would have since then but in any format (without significant loss of quality goes, there is always a way).
Antwort von Axel:
Dear Dezorian read yourself in the basics of video technology.
1. Mpeg2 HDV is, the same codec - but 5 times in one resolution SD Pal and 6x in an SD-NTSC - as he for DVD video is needed. HDV Mpeg2 is super compressed, it is so heavily compressed that despite many Resolutionexakt the same data rate (and therefore file size) as DV. But this is a powerful compression processing hardly possible. Imagine HDV Mpeg2 before, such as a stock cubes. You can use it in small pieces (hard cuts in Premiere, within certain limits Effects, etc) For the soup still abzuschmecken, he must first be decompressed (water on it, is the multiple s.Volumen).
2. To view the enriched broth with onions now to conserve, you could be as large block freeze. Impractical and hardly edible. Instead, you pour a soup cup full, in which the whole taste is lifted (the rear compression in HDV or DV). Last but not least do you want your creation and share in any court as an instant-apply, you reduzierst So the next Sud (The compression of data according to SD Mpeg2, in good quality for up to one fifth of the original size, 5 Mbit / s in comparison to 25 MBit / s of the original, a recommendation would be 8 Mbit / s, then even more striking, some DVD players. 12 GB with 25 MBit / s is reduced to 8 Mbit / s ie about 4 GB, fits auf'n blank).
Would you have a PAL version of the GM bought 20, you had trouble with the whole aspect HD (= the soup pot with the giant files zugeschissene hard drive) can save as 25p you can as they are of the modern NLEs edited. I doubt whether anyone a difference of 24 to 25 would recognize.
Even "normal" will be incorporated into 30i, ie without the "24p in 30i," is simple, and you should really try it. This is always said of synonymous to me, "P" was nice, but it is a very subtle difference, and it is synonymous in my opinion a bit overrated.
What I would do s.deiner point: On a palm device or switch interlaced work.
After all, you're now dealing with the matter, and that's just fine.
Antwort von DezorianGuy:
So, what is the right path I should take? 12GB (HDV) mega compression, with little good to edit, or 24-50GB would be better to handle that is synonymous back then of 25 on 5-8bit runterkonvertiert (or to HDV, DV or DVD for ne) .. .
So how should I begin, without any detours or complicated explanations, otherwise I really appreciate it very much. But in this moment of time pressure (within 1 week holiday and 20 videos to be cut) should I ranhalten. Even if it is NTSC, I must somehow manage. At least initially on the PC what to do (DVDs, etc. later).
So, have 1 terabyte is still free, so I eat the soup yet salinisation.
Is there a possibility of uncompressed video to play in Premiere? Or would it make no sense ...
___________________________ In Cineform's HDLink (outside Premiere) The options are: -Automatically convert to CineForm Intermediate (*. avi, *. mov) -Convert to CineForm Intermediate and keep MPEG2-TS file (*. m2t) Capture only the MPEG-TS file (*. m2t)
Something which would bring, or the above tells you what? ___________________________
I can remember times that you are my test that I am not with the mere 24p (fps) should work, but with the 30fps (12GB compressed), and only then to 24p with AspectHD should convert. Now comes my way as if you mean that I only unpack (of komprim. 12 gb to 50 gb hd with aspect), and then compress to be ... sorry, I'm really confused now ...
Thank you again for the patience which is brought against me ... Werd then you show the finished product, as far as if I am:)
Antwort von Axel:
Salut, just come of the work. Unfortunately, I am with my Latin s.Ende. Sounds, as you could be right with Aspect HD in the intermediate codec capture, that would be a good workflow, dancy without HDV. You look and even there no cock crows after 24p, and I Offenbarungseid the bar.
If it is pressing to open a new thread. Or write directly to Cocoa, as he works with Aspect HD.
