Frage von evinc:
Hello!
I reingelesen a thousand times already here and now it is s.der time to write something to use once synonymous;)
And although I would like to buy me - like everybody else here - a camcorder. I had, until recently, a Panasonic NV-GS5, with whom I was never really satisfied (and not so great lowlight images or jerky Night mode), poor color and streaking at faster movements.
Your application:
- Quick pans
- Build Changing light conditions, usually without the possibility of there anything additional
- (A lot of wobbling, therefore, an optical image stabilization would be great)
HD erstmal I do not need, since my PC that grabs anyway (; the jerky already on Youtube HD).
I am fascinated by these big old things such as the SonyDCR TRV-900 or VX 2000 or the Canon XL1 - those were apparently the time when the came out, very great and gadgets you see them every now and then on ebay for 400-600 euros.
But it is a misconception of me that still so great and now everyone can have 300-EUR-media market more than the camcorder?
Many greetings and all a happy new year
Evince.
Antwort von derpianoman:
Moin!
Time, a "night-hasty" as a starter:
From the VX2000, I had a dream last year synonymous quite a while.
Far 'wech' it takes one course of HD ... And now you come! :-)
Antwort von Videobodo:
Sure, the 300 EuroMedia camcorder market longer. Much fighting more pixels, more lines, no tape jam with the old camcorder always had, above all no lugging the big Teile.Da soooo much energy can be wasted. Therefore, the chips are not as great as with the VX 2100, 1 / 3 inches, thus you can build these parts almost as fine as 300 euros gibts Chinaspielzeug.Für synonymous then some top-notch lenses, and optical stabilizer. One need not toil with viewfinder, manual focus ring or a large zoom button. Low Light course there is also no longer an issue. And 3 chips, with only 400,000 pixels per chip are so large is no longer cool completely in the megapixel period. Now it gets even have more than 5 million under the 1 / 6 inch wide converter.
So, a little irony for the New Year of Bodo
PS. In the "old, is the state's most important - good pieces still have their price!
Antwort von Jott:
With all the advantages of the old classics: they can up to extremely few exceptions, not real 16:9. The recordings can no longer look correct on today's televisions. Therefore, ultimately electronic waste.
Antwort von kalle70:
The XL1, I would not necessarily recommend .... Is it really a big part.
However, the TRV900, PD100, VX2000, VX2100, or the XM series of Canon would be something else.
This called "SemiPro" all have a much better performance than today's camcorder LowLight the lower price ranges up to 500 euros.
Also, they are characterized by the manual control options.
So, focus ring, ND filter, aperture, white balance and shutter speed on a button horizontally operable. Sometimes even recording level!
Microphone and headphone jack are as synonymous, of course.
However, much scrap is available. So if you want to buy such a sweetheart then not of private, or only with right of return, otherwise only from the dealer with warranty and exchange rights.
Antwort von kalle70:
With all the advantages of the old classics: they can up to extremely few exceptions, not real 16:9. The recordings can no longer look correct on today's televisions. Therefore, ultimately electronic waste. Unfortunately you are right. On my old tube, but the images looked a little better.
However, the advantage of the HD camcorder is synonymous only with continuous workflow (editing and BD disc) to bear.
SD recordings from an HD camcorder halt synonymous not see better.
Antwort von evinc:
Hmm ... erstmal danke for the many responses, as it stands now, even from a very mixed picture.
Unfortunately I have no one in the circle of acquaintances who are familiar with at doing this, my way would really only halt ebay - as can happen to me then;)
That would of course be 16:9 with a real shame.
Okay, then we make it simpler times:
Makes a fairly new Harddisks-/SD-Card-Camcorders HD with around 300 EUR (used) better photos (with respect to lowlight and fast panning - not sharp, it's obvious) than my old Panasonic NV-GS5?
And can what brand (s) you recommend in this area, or of what should I completely let their fingers?
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Go ne you used to buy Canon HV of rocks the.
MfG
B. DeKid
PS: do not get with 600 euro Canon XL1 (s) on Schnittzwerk de synonymous get used semi SD cams.
Antwort von actaion:
Makes a fairly new Harddisks-/SD-Card-Camcorders HD with around 300 EUR (used) better photos (with respect to lowlight and fast panning - not sharp, it's obvious) than my old Panasonic NV-GS5? no.
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Hey,
You can use the "HD" is what to DVDs (and unfortunately often synonymous recorded on hard drive), often do not intersect at all comfortable, since you no captures high-quality, less compressed AVIs, but highly compressed HDV mpeg footage, some even nor interpolated.
If you want to have an HDV camera, you are far more than the 600 ¬ budget (which I would invest s.Deiner body but in any case to see a good difference).
And because) of the HD
V (! The cheap cameras that record is not too much to keep,
I would invest in a really good SD camera, as well as find useful in cheap HDV - "junk".
Problems with the old cameras in addition to the 16:9 but always synonymous "lowlight", so they are very faint, which has a fast image noise results. Are the heads a little older suffered synonymous colors. If you want to have something that brings more, you will need to Exchangeable optics and usually a good, very bright Lenses. It would then go towards the XL-1 or XL-2. By doing this you can certainly get very good shots. But whether the jump is sooo one miles of your camera, I doubt it.
Speaking of: It is synonymous for less money (around 200 - 400 ¬) to record small SD camcorder came out, after the XL-1 are and have a much better lowlight capability. But as no manual focus - Ring, etc. have. Quite well because I think the Panasonic NV-MX300 (synonymous not a true 16:9).
But to get back to the original question:
Basically you are looking for an SD camera makes the true 16:9, is bright, has manual controls, the largest possible chip and has a brilliant color reproduction, as well as all the possibilities offered by Firewire.
To get the budget of 600 ¬ (+ accessories) - in my opinion - nothing really great about what makes a great difference to your Camera images. Therefore, you would rather save ¬ 2000 and you buy a cheap miniDV (!!!)-( HDV) Camera.
Best regards,
Constantin
Antwort von Videobodo:
But hey
Since when are they old, like VX2100 camcorder, Xm2 faint?
There was probably again one, Specialist, s.Werke!
Let's not make yourself crazy, thinking of it, what you really need it!
Bodo
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
There was about an XL-1. And even with the XM-2, one can not speak of a special "light". In any case, the NV-GS5 with the XL-1 as far as intensity is determined to keep up.
Corrects me if I'm wrong. I certainly was disappointed before - 4 years!
The XM-2 to get estimates used also synonymous with Battery for 1200 ¬.
Many greetings!
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... the "HD" is what to DVDs (and unfortunately often synonymous recorded on hard drive) ... extremely compressed HDV mpeg-Material ... Which takes for HDV camcorder on to DVD discs or hard drive? What do you think is AVCHD.
... da) of the HD V (! what the cheap cameras do not record too much to keep ... With the cheapest HDV cameras on the market are the Canon HV40 and the SonyHC9, but that of the recording was not to last much is contradicted by many counter-examples.
... Problems with the old cameras in addition to the 16:9 but always synonymous "lowlight", so they are very faint, which quickly results in noise ... Thus, this statement is flat, with all due respect, nonsense: The question here is, inter alia, of the SonyVX2000/2100, and their legendary Lowlightstärke is in this class still unrivaled.
Antwort von Videobodo:
That's it, Berd. The topic starter is not with ¬ 600 in the price range
reasonable use. For the non-light shooting conditions is certainly one of, Henkel men, the best. However, are the price at least 1000. It's synonymous fact that hardly anyone who seriously filming, sold these parts without trouble. Often it is as the 2nd Camera subsequently used.
I use it regularly, VX 2100, the pictures are so good that exists in the use of regional cable TV so no problems. As it should be enough for the applications mentioned by the starter surely?
Bodo
Antwort von evinc:
So, unfortunately, is beyond my budget schnittzwerk;)
Since it is probably a real gamble, get a great big old one and cut HDV can be uncomfortable, I now think the idea of a used, good SD cam interesting.
Are there actually any SD-cams, not record on tape? Always found it rather silly that the dubbing does on your PC as long as the movie is long.
Are there any brands (in addition Aiptek and any China-sellers) that I should avoid or is it purely a matter of taste, be it Canon, Panasonic, JVC Sonyoder?
Have a nice evening I wish.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Is there really SD-cams, not record on tape? ... Clear: there cards, hard disks and DVDs / returns it as a storage medium synonymous with SD cameras.
Antwort von Videobodo:
Hey
Stay with the usual suspects, Sony, Pana, Canon, Aiptek and Co, etc. is not the yellow of the egg. If you want to have no problems staying synonymous with tape and DV-AVI - files. On map you again draw next only to Mpeg 2 - synonymous with SD. Since you have again Gops. In tape-AVI files you have access to any einze Picture. This often outweighs the supposed time advantage angdachten especially for your use. To avoid any problems, stay with a band type. I do it for over 10 years and so had no band or a salad smeared head drum. Contrary statements are often of people with 0-idea!
Bodo
