Frage von Quadruplex:
'Süddeutsche' lies, as so often in the details also the quintessence of the article takes time for a change, but the nail on the head ...
Antwort von Meggs:
I think this article is poorly researched unusually, actually picture newspaper style, and testifies of semi-confusion of the author.
What is the essence? Return to Super 8? This can be synonymous with no projector no longer see, and new projectors there no longer.
DVD's skin in principle in the pan (keep experts believe 1 year). The archiving of AVCHD video is no more problematic than the other digital archiving of all data. Returns you to the typewriter so back? What has he to hard drive as long-term memory
Is this what you want to leave his descendants, an old hard drive Yes why not?
From digital photos, you can make deductions can not of videos. That has always been so - no preference whether Super 8, VHS, MiniDV, Mpeg2 or AVCHD.
Who knows whether the computer files in a few years yet can read - why should they can not?
Even the innovative AVCHD s.Anfang Apple could not read - because it's at, as usual, only later on the Mac platform has been ported. This argument is probably the most stupid: A format used on the Mac can not be read, can not suck.
The author argues that the filing of AVCHD videos you have to let experts. Anyone who wants can have his AVCHD videos to DVD on play, then he has the quality and the data from the good old days.
Antwort von Axel:
I find synonymous, that the argument is misguided. It is silly, with a codec Consumercams release before it can be processed clever. But that was almost always the case. Even Super 8 - Movies vergammeln, and it saves them through digitization. Nothing is for eternity. Even the pyramids, the thought of eternity were bröseln to himself, only slower. And really old photos are also not as great, if not properly stored. Synonymous I can not imagine that digital preservation is more expensive than the analog. The "memory" for the latter space is enormous.
Antwort von WoWu:
But the author has obviously reached exactly what he wanted, he has many of the next semi-insecure and his populism spreads. Anders is not to say that someone has started this thread.
And of research can be absolutely no question that Apple still is one of the initiators of MPEG4, on the QT-based format of Apple.
The former product manager, Frank Casanove, wrote:
> 'Allowing the ISO the use our file format has turned out to be the best
> decisions we could have made. "
But that has everything you probably do not know if you are on a subject about which one omits not much more than white grandparents already have one.
Antwort von r.p.television:
The digital archiving is no longer a problem. A TB but costs only 100 euros.
For me the past (pre) footage of two years on a TB. I am safe in addition to two plates. Power archiving costs of 300 euros every two years, ie 150 euros per year. Schlimm.
The hard times every 6 months in order to run the engines or what verharzen not always synonymous. If you time a failure to exchange. One has the same material so still time to failure on two other panels.
Antwort von darg:
Who knows whether the computer files in a few years yet can read - why should they can not?
Why should they? it must be really hot. The best example is the prestigious NASA. The can have their data of the lunar missions are no longer read, because the machines were no longer available. Those who had entered it did not work. After they are on Ebay for really expensive money-a few have raised Bandlesegeraete None knew more how to use these drivers via s.moderne Calculator adapted. And this is no 30 years ago. The same went for the Voyager missions and their files.
The 'moral' values in the computer industry is always faster. Times you look in the industrial sector. I work in the semiconductor industry and for some devices that are not 6 years old to get any spare parts for the PC, let alone software teilabstuerzen of these machines. Where all this will end remains open but it is a problem in any case.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
I think this article is poorly researched unusually, actually picture newspaper style, and testifies of semi-confusion of the author. I already wrote that the details are next.
What is the essence? The essence is: The industry makes it a long s.ein bit more coordination is missing. And AVCHD is how synonymous in this forum can read, yes really s.Schnitt-unfriendliness not be surpassed. Did someone actually experience with the new 25 Mbps versions? Come on principle so that all AVCHD-compatible editing programs without clear updates?
This argument is probably the most stupid: A format used on the Mac can not be read, can not suck. The Apple Group will immediately sign ... :-)
The author argues that the filing of AVCHD videos you have to let experts. This related to digital cinema.
Antwort von Meggs:
The tenor of the article is: people, what their films today, you can in a few years no longer watch. And this is true only if you archive a bad blank DVD disc is used. The long-term archiving is easier for the layman and cheaper than ever.
Antwort von domain:
I find synonymous, that the argument is misguided. It is silly, with a codec Consumercams release before it can be processed clever. But that was almost always the case. Even Super 8 - Movies vergammeln, and it saves them through digitization. That is absolutely nonsense, rescues in this respect are times, a priori, the biggest mistake you ever make. Dear old Super-8 projectors maintain and cherish.
Each durable optical storage (in Kodachrome original, for example) is a hundred times more valuable than a digitization, which for posterity anyway no longer to act.
The only surviving photo albums are beautifully labeled, if possible in S / W and possibly some irreplaceable scenes, no preference whether in Super-8 or in HDV, but the chances for a Super-8 look much better from today's perspective.
Antwort von vaio:
Good evening!
Also in the future, it (somehow) work. That with the play of the (archived) video files ...
From one but you have to adopt:
Drive / camcorder or connect and play on (new) disk copy, it simply will not go.
Example interface: Apple adopted by the apparently synonymous slowly Camherstellern of Firewire - what comes after USB (3)?
Codec Example: I can still clearly remember when I my first digitized video 's on the PC "dubbed" did. It was / is (still) free software codec the video file, then with a proprietary codec captured, will play. Because the "video card" is long since a few years in the basement and around the PC, I no longer synonymous. Was already a PCI card, but no so-called "Master Card" (ISA card, I had synonymous times ...). Yes, these video files in any case, I have long been on the DV tape and on hard drive (as "data-file)" saved ".
These are just a few examples. A standard which is 30 years and longer there, as was VHS, then something is probably not there anymore. Too fast is the (technological) progress. And the competition, the corresponding Dollars / Euros in order to earn even ...
But is only my opinion.
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von Axel:
That is absolutely nonsense, rescues in this respect are times, a priori, the biggest mistake you ever make. Dear old Super-8 projectors maintain and cherish. I thought not, discard the old, more so s.eine something cool, space-saving presentation. How many times in the year it gets the projector out of the cellar? Or do you mean, everyone has since the umpteenth move into
homes every s.den space for projector and screen?
Antwort von Meggs:
Each durable optical storage (in Kodachrome original, for example) is a hundred times more valuable than a digitization, which for posterity anyway no longer to act.
The only surviving photo albums are beautifully labeled, if possible in S / W and possibly some irreplaceable scenes, no preference whether in Super-8 or in HDV, but the chances for a Super-8 look much better from today's perspective. Just in the style of writing. Have you?
You ask theses in the room, without them synonymous only rudimentary evidence or justification.
Why is a digitization of the offspring no longer act to be?
I have my little kids when they were recorded on Super 8 (1984 to 1990). These projectors are now no longer to buy. For my descendants Super 8 films are worthless.
I am not a digital picture-video - or audio format of the last 20 years known to the significant spread had, and with today's resources are no longer legible.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Dear old Super-8 projectors maintain and cherish. Like all the mechanics will not last forever and at some point there's no more spare parts. Eumig, Nizo, Bauer and how they all were called, are already long history. And if you like your projector perforation tears is Feierabend.
Each durable optical storage (in Kodachrome original, for example) In what household you'll find the best storage options for film?
is a hundred times more valuable than a digitization, which for posterity anyway no longer to act. Given the above problems, I think such a Council for more than negligence. There is nothing on the other hand, old movies to get. Nevertheless, one should betimes an intelligent scanning / digitization care.
Antwort von domain:
Apparently, the latest data storage considerations for longest in the direction of analogue storage.
Quadruplex, you want it and still do not acknowledge this trend is already anticipated and with certainty it will arrive, as the Amen in prayer
Antwort von Axel:
Apparently, the latest data storage considerations for longest in the direction of analogue storage.
Quadruplex, you want it and still do not acknowledge this trend is already anticipated and with certainty it will arrive, as the Amen in prayer It's been so far. The company ROWI, Hama and Kaiser offer Analogisier-boxes. Save your irreplaceable Blu-rays on Super 8! Kodak defines the extra Kodachrome 40 again, the price of 10 ¬ a 15 meters.
Antwort von Jörg:
and Moses is just NEN chisel sharpen ...
Antwort von wolfgang:
So the discussion is actually massively s.der thing over - not AVCHD will still be reversed, nor are the target substantive endless cruelties really tenable, or even sensible.
The return to the analog world - so much fun!
:)))))
Antwort von domain:
Apparently, the latest data storage considerations for longest in the direction of analogue storage.
Quadruplex, you want it and still do not acknowledge this trend is already anticipated and with certainty it will arrive, as the Amen in prayer
It's been so far. The company ROWI, Hama and Kaiser offer Analogisier-boxes. Save your irreplaceable Blu-rays on Super 8! Kodak defines the extra Kodachrome 40 again, the price of 10 ¬ a 15 meters. Can hardly imagine today. And yet Wolfgang, the digital translator between the worlds only to look in a few years ...........
Antwort von Axel:
If you are with "analog" is not actually "analogue" mean, but a tape recording of digital data, then many of us still in the fortunate situation. A well-treated tape lasts long. Who has ever brought an old tape (not just five years under the old refrigerator magnets or hi-fi box was) and was nothing more? An old VHS tape, in the early 80s with one of the first consumer cams (still no ... Corder) recorded during the digitizing (of a very bottom Störstreifen apart, it probably always was) had no speed camera - you can find 's.
But nearly eight years old DVD-R, always beautiful in the tray will keep running even synonymous. Tip: After four or five years, just copy it.
Antwort von Meggs:
A standard which is 30 years and longer there, as was VHS, then something is probably not there anymore. MPEG2 was created in 1994, thus has half the 30 years behind him soon. From one end is not in sight. MPEG 2 is the second youngest Data (after AVCHD), the author of the article as an example of the never ending flood of new format, probably in a few years no one knows, enumerating.
Antwort von cutty:
Not for nothing comes Sonywith new HDV devices. And who knows, perhaps this is already super-HDV in the (developer) drawer. In any case, I believe the tape will remain for a long time, probably in combination with a flash drive, the parallel recording. Even my HD-s2 satellite all recordings on the 500GB HD destroyed. The relating to backup to HD.
Antwort von Meggs:
Even my HD-s2 satellite all recordings on the 500GB HD destroyed. The relating to backup to HD. The backup to HD is safe if you make backups.
Antwort von tommyb:
I still have CDs (yes, really) is lying around 2000 that I've burnt rum. They were quite expensive at the time, good parts and they are actually still running without any problems (read it without a break, chop chop).
And why I have brought out CDs again? Yes, because I've copied onto DVDs to save space. And this time I synonymous, when the BR or the like is conveniently accessible.
I know not how others treat their optical disk, but I keep my in a Köfferchen into an envelope and is good. Other people turn to those parts like to go on the table vergammeln (s.besten with the data layer to the bottom) and scratching.
PS: The data on the CDs, which are wonderful MPEG1 and DivX 3 things (no, no pirated movies but little from our own production). And everything is running. Still - despite the long time.
Antwort von vaio:
Megger has written the following: MPEG2 was created in 1994, thus has half the 30 years behind him soon. From one end is not in sight. MPEG 2 is the second youngest Data ... Sorry Meggen since confuse you crucial things!
VHS is a video standard for an analogue (!) HOST-or playback system and / FORMAT.
MPEG (1.2 etc.) is not a data format (data yes - no format!) It's a different CODING VIDEO / and AUDIOKOMPRESIONEN (lossy data reduction). Available on CD (ROM), DVD, (satellite) TV and, and, Other ..
So rum are seen next to the various formats, which in turn in different housing designs differ, yet another standard, namely the different digitalization, for consumers have been added (with all the different sub-standards ...!!). From handling - but only by synonymous Handling (!) - Reminds me based only on VHS to VHS / S-VHS - Compatibility On. Synonymous But later, at least some VHS Recorder S-VHS tapes to play. Furthermore, of the numbers was seen, S-VHS only a marginal phenomenon ...
So do not compare apples with pears!
The comparison related to DV, DVD and BD. Let's see whether it is at this minute. 30 years bring ...
The backup issue, I had already been the basis of two examples (at the top of the next thread) mentioned.
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von Meggs:
So do not compare apples with pears!
The comparison related to DV, DVD and BD. Let's see whether it is at this minute. 30 years bring ...
I love it ...
MPEG2 is a Compressionsverfahren - OK. There are synonymous MPEG2 files. The structure of these files as data to describe is certainly not entirely wrong.
What you designate, are disks. The DVD is almost exactly as old as MPEG2.
Antwort von vaio:
Megger has written: I love it ... I synonymous ...
yes, where only / saves you because your video 's. On "MPEG-2" or on a disk?
The DVD is almost exactly as old as MPEG2. What thinkest thou. The Mpeg with sound, PCM or AC3 soundtrack? Or maybe with the min. of the two. Or is it rather a Dual Layer (DL-DVD) to be (of the countless variations, such as mini-DVD, I would not begin ger). Oh yes ... in 4:3 or rather in 16:9? But just as I appreciate the most, should's probably going to be Cinemascope ... (NOT NECESSARILY ASSUME ERNST)
You see, many opportunities are not necessarily advantageous. Looking so synonymous in this forum ... (but can be excellent quality synonymous)
But as they say: The path is the goal.
In this sense ... a nice day.
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von Meggs:
What thinkest thou. The Mpeg with sound, PCM or AC3 soundtrack? Or maybe with the min. of the two. Dear Vaio,
In contrast to you, I use the terms somewhat correct! So when I write DVD, then I think the disk itself, and not the data which are stored on it.
MPEG2 files are generally stored on each disk. So synonymous to CD's, if they are short enough even on the first hard disks and floppy disks from the 80zigern - which have now been over 20 years old.
Also nen schönen evening.
Megger
Antwort von vaio:
MPEG2 files are basically on any disk ... Thank you!
Dear Meggen,
I want to argue here.
Nevertheless:
"... (NOT NECESSARILY ASSUME ERNST)" If you did read correctly, you need not be so upset.
In this sense:
- is from a famous film. But what I write ... You're from the "specialist".
I wish you a good relaxing evening. Greetings from rainy Berlin.
Michael
