Frage von ArneW:
I am looking for an AVCHD editing solution. So far, I have computer with a Pinnacle card and Premiere 6.0 geschnitten. Thanks to the card (Pinnacle DVD 500), I could see a preview with important Belnden (soft blend) and simple image adjustments (brightness, contrast, color) in real time to a Television Preview issue. That I always have to be very comfortable empfuden.
Now I'm looking for like AVCHD and have a few questions:
1. Is there an affordable synonymous card (such as time of the Pinnacle) with which I cut my (with unostentatious visors) in real time on an HDMI-capable HDTV Television can consider? Which card can sowas? (I would prefer a combination with Premiere CS3 and as the MainConcept codec for AVCHD).
2. What hardware do I need for AVCHD editing. I have a Dual Core with 2.4GHz, 8MB RAM and VIsta64bit. Is this a fairly brisk work possible?
3. Do I need urgently a video disk RAID-Verbund synonymous or does a simple modern SATA disk?
On responses I would be very happy! Thank you very much!
Antwort von sas_hh:
With 8MB of ram, you will not get far;)
Antwort von ArneW:
@ sas_hh: Thanks for the hint :-)
Please do not understand with false, the specified Calculator (he obviously has 8GB of RAM) is obviously already a very good calculator. But I have heard that AVCHD editing very computationally intensive. As I look in the next few years is certainly not new Rchner can buy (the declared was expensive enough), I would like to know how halt AVCHD editing with real-time preview on a HDMI television with such a system is possible.
Therefore the question of additional hardware or RAID-Verbund.
Who has experience and can help?
Antwort von wolfgang:
Maybe this will help you:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=4686
2-cores with CS3 I think rather too slowly, intermediates would be more appropriate, perhaps synonymous Panasonic dens converters are free.
For good output via HDMI to an HDTV for CS3 is quite a better graphics card, but I was really happy here in person, only with the Intensity (Pro).
Antwort von stef08:
You do not understand, but you can with the Blackmagic Intensity HDMI video card per synonymous AVCHD PPCS3 after capture, even as the current of Adobe AVCHD ultimate solution for the small price Premiere recommended!
Antwort von stef08:
with the intensity will not be captured in AVCHD ...
but in a low compression codec (eg apple ProRes 422).
AVCHD is z. zt. not (sensibly) in real-time editing
this could only be better if the AVCHD codec used
as an i-frame only compression.
gruß cj
Antwort von stef08:
It is one of AVCHD from camera via HDMI to a Blackmagic M-JPEG files captured and sees these files PPCS3 course. c'tDigital Video special 2007 edition has already been reported darübrr!
Antwort von ArneW:
Thank you for the many replies. Given your experience so with the Blackmagic cards have:
1. Does the low compressed codec only to process captured and afterwards extrapolated back or my output file has a poorer quality?
2. If I AVCHD card into my M-JPEG umwandel and then s.Ende for a BlueRay disc umwandel (I think you need here or MPEG2?). How high is the quality loss due to the 2x conversion. Do I have to live with many artifacts?
I übrigends incorrectly. My processor is a quad - but also "only" with 2.4 GHz. The Extreme versions were simply too expensive to me. I hope that such a processor is enough ... Or I have invested too little?
Antwort von stef08:
A few answers to find
Antwort von WoWu:
@ ArneW
Arne, You should be described on the conversion to JPEG urgently renounce. There you go, the benefits lost, and with the new codec brings. You have several lossy steps in it.
(Only 8x8 matrix, instead of the DCT DWT, 1 / 4 Pix Interp. Will be lost, no more global motion vectors in transforming another color, etc. usw.usw.)
In the case of a return after AVC (for the BlueRay (MPEG-4)) is already significantly worse quality.
It is not (only) depends on how much bandwidth a codec, but the quality (and tools) he has.
You can show a picture safely to some 100 Mbit / s hochjubeln if you use tools (the codec) will not bring the detail resolution, are most of the bandwidth only "gestuffte-zeros", the only manufacturer looking to your array.
There are some here in the forum, the ACV cut and have good experience ... Marcus is one of them, which has reported several times ... (Search).
Your calculator should have for a suitable real-time preview, real-time limit (60Hz) for a 4-thread is 15 Mbit / s (incl. CBAC!). For 50 Hz stop slightly higher ...
Without CBAC lying you well over 20 Mbit / s Quad.
This presupposes, however, that your calculator is not at the same time with all sorts of other tasks is loaded.
It should work, without the windy transcoding, to you nothing, except a worse picture bring.
Antwort von ArneW:
@ WoWu: Thank you for your contribution. This has made me really thoughtful. I obviously do not want the quality of the camcorder delivers through several stages of conversion to deteriorate.
Did someone experience with editing AVCHD in connection with Sony Vegas and a BlackMagicIntensity for Anssteuerung the preview monitor? Is this software and with a quad with 2.4 GHz cut and preview in real time (if you elaborate effects and corrections omitted) possible? Vegas is already good for AVCHD editing without conversion suitable.
Who has experience?
Antwort von wolfgang:
Well sure, we have extensive experience - the work AVCHD editing in Vegas 8 Right good. But even on a Q6600 is the preview capabilities here with a video stream is much more limited than with HDV in the same environment.
The preview on the Intensity makes sense synonymous with AVCHD, if you have a HDTV as in full-HD wants.
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=5609
http://www.vegasvideo.de/forum/thread.php?threadid=7965
The restrictions in relation to the quality of capturing the intensity, I can out of the practice in the Krassheit not confirm. Captured material can be uncompressed, all these arguments away - but you need really fast RAID. But synonymous with the MJPEG codec, the quality in the optical sight test out CS3 and Edius is not really bad, but can be found in the Vegas 8 bzur not directly capture, and the material is in Vegas 8b currently not importable. Not yet at least.
Primary current is therefore the intensity in terms of the preview function Vegas empfehlenswert out (which makes them quite clean, and in true 1920x1080, and in very good quality.
Incidentally, it is converted to AVC at the moment from any editing program type - at the latest on the issue. Still can not only NLE for AVCHD smartrendern, synonymous out of Vegas 8 is currently the material is entirely new encoded.
Antwort von WoWu:
This makes the NLE's for the other codecs synonymous, it is only in real time, during the export phase ... it works with because of the AVC Komplexheitsgrades course not, because of different MPEG4 file format of MPEG2 überhaupt nicht ... So why should the programs it can not .... ?
Especially with such a complex work would provide an excellent SR yes .... you can see the computation but simply no longer "hide".
Antwort von ArneW:
@ Wolfgang:
Thank you, this is a look a statement. That whole new s.Ende be encoded does not bother me. Whether the calculator then runs or five hours for me is irrelevant.
What really upset me would be if, for each soft Aperture I sat and possibly a few times already correct for the preview must be rendered.
What do you think with the statement:
"But even on a Q6600 is the preview capabilities here with a video stream is significantly limited"
What is limited? If I were a variety of color and elegant elaborate title, I need (yes I mahce the non-professional) are not real time. But for soft Bled already. Otherwise is a fluid work is not possible anymore.
Thank you s.alle here with answers help! Greetings Arne
Antwort von wolfgang:
"Limited" means that the real-time preview, measured in fps achievable, but markedly collapses when too many effects or synonymous apertures on top of each other. How much exactly will happen depends on the nature of the effects chosen from.
What you can do however, is failing in the Vegas Preview Resolutionder collapse - and the short term with a lower operating Resolutiondie preview. And of course, always turn off the internal preview, if you always an external HDTV via the Intensity has.
The computation for an AVC output can synonymous on a quad relatively long - but we must not sit next to it.
Basically it is the Q6600 overclock quite incidentally - for me, the quite of the 2.4 GHz synonymous to about 3 Ghz high. But as you should, of course synonymous careful if you do not know - synonymous truly synonymous'm no expert. For the preview but it brings only what, rendering even more - because the nuclei in almost all NLEs better used than in the preview.
If you still do not have Vegas - so I would hold an image of the system do, and times to play with the trial. Blind untested and should be a piece of software ever buy anyway.
Antwort von Martin Dienert:
Hello,
some time since I read pretty much everything here in the forum with AVCHD what to do. One thing is for me but still not really clear.
Wolfgang writes:
Incidentally, it is converted to AVC at the moment from any editing program type - at the latest on the issue. Still can not only NLE for AVCHD smartrendern ... Wowo wrote:
This makes the NLE's for the other codecs synonymous, it is only in real time, ... Under Smartrendern I understand the unmodified video parts will not be re-encoded but simply copied. Is that correct? For Mpeg2 works but the excellent and certainly in DV.
Wowo wrote:
Especially with such a complex work would provide an excellent SR yes .... you can see the computation but simply no longer "hide". If you are with "SR" Smartrendern think I understand this statement. Smartrendern is just faster than re-calculate everything.
Now to my questions.
Is it really true that AVCHD is completely new is calculated?
Will always synonymous HDV completely recalculated?
And if this is so then why? (If 70% of a film not recalculated but simply copied does it not only faster but the quality synonymous (this 70%) is retained.
Martin
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Martin
In any case, neither could nor MainConcept Cyberlink me when asked to convince them that they are not in the export consistently calculated.
Quite the contrary, as was often said that with today's computer capabilities synonymous no real need longer exists. In addition, the originating codec entirely different nature can be, including the signaling s.den decoder, etc.
In your experience, I must not go into detail ...
If you are with "SR" Smartrendern think I understand this statement. Smartrendern is just faster than re-calculate everything. That was exactly synonymous meant: If Smart rendering would be just extraordinarily AVC to offer.
As it is the basic structure is similar to MPEG2 .... So why is it not done? Especially since it is how you hear, everything is manageable:
Because it's just a marketing name for this is that not everybody is always the same cut is rendered and thus the production is.
But that is now become an old hat and hardly unique feature. In addition, no program is likely in the U.S. so advertise, CL because a patent in the U.S. to keep .... They offer it at all ... funny!
(If you have a funny way, make the evening want to look through the patent times ... You will not be possible, what the patent offices of the
country so protecting everything ....)
(If 70% of a film not recalculated but simply copied does it not only faster but the quality synonymous (this 70%) is retained. And precisely because there is a further reason .... If I were no significant quality jumps between different Encodierqualitäten wants to have, I did not get everything on an encoding to consider .... even if it is (mostly) worse than the original code. But at least you have no cracks in the incisions.
Even should the identical tools used .... and the choice is of course huge AVC ... significantly greater than in MPEG2 and not all firms can be the tools in epic Width.
And then there is still the matter of export speed .... Therefore, the SR gaukelt you do not anymore, because it soon will be identified as what it is: a marketing slogan.
Finally, perhaps a note: If everything by binary addition to be ... why leaders have decided to do something like MOLE procedures for this purpose to develop? It is not that it would not go, but if you look at the effort once committed .... Which is quite remarkable. But then remains truly original quality received. Certainly, the effort for consumer applications to high ... if and only if SR would go, had it with the broadcaster has taken over security and to more advanced procedures waived.
Antwort von dash snow:
@ WoWu: Thank you for your contribution. This has made me really thoughtful. I obviously do not want the quality of the camcorder delivers through several stages of conversion to deteriorate. Neither HDV or AVCHD are suitable for multiple rendering stages "as it is in compositing projects required. Dear So even in an intra frame format for the subsequent multiple rendering like in compositing projects needed can be as low as possible to get lost.
There is no black and white of the WoWu here always tells!
Antwort von wolfgang:
So for HDV, I took some time before the trouble, and ruin the quality up to 10 generations Render presumptuous - and then the corresponding quality deterioration for the special compared Intermediate codecs (Canopus HQ, Cineform Intermediate). And it's true - HDV is not responsible for countless generations Render suitable, was never really meant.
Nevertheless, we can today in some applications natively edit HDV. Why? Because we are always at least the rendering steps
m2t -> format
have. Apart of Smartrendern is to always compare with the workflow
m2t -> Intermediate -> Enformat
And it is reflected in the tests on the difference images, the two steps
m2t -> final format and
m2t -> Intermediate
similar large loss. In other words, I can not really avoid, I render only one generation is therefore the intersection of native m2t perfectly permissible.
For AVC, I have such a comparative test not done, I will regard this aspect diees say nothing.
To Smartrendern: I find it remarkable, with Hartnack what is repeatedly claimed that it did not give. And then on any patents referred to - would be violated, it would probably already ensprchende right from the patent holder would. Why are not there?
It is true that the company a different name, and rightly synonymous, that the companies themselves to keep extremely overcast, and absolutely nothing about the underlying mechanisms publish. But it is equally true that the following things in the case of HDV are:
s.man can roughly in Vegas 8, the re-encoding of the long GOP of HDV on and off. And the difference is synonymous with HDV at the output - whether new Encoded or not.
b) the issue of duration of Vegas 8 of HDV material definitely lasts much longer if you disable smartrendern
c) is correct synonymous, that the output from Vegas 8, activated smartrendern lasts significantly longer than the approximately wombel from the case (which definitely can be synonymous).
But alone, the point b) shows that the output is done differently.
And finally: you can synonymous difference images on the starting material and compare the Endmaterial well. And as one sees synonymous, whether there are differences or not. And there, in the case of the smart render output in HDV definitely not.
A scientific theory is light then overtaken when she is falsified. The thesis that there is no smartrendern done, I think the above points clearly falsified.
And why in the AVC (still) do not exist? Now, format experienced in editing programs is always a certain evolutionary cycle. First, the einlesbar made later, the issue, even later, perhaps something like smartrendern. We were not synonymous with HDV s.so far from the beginning. Currently offering up to now the nonlinear editing manufacturer in the non-stop. Perhaps the smartrendern synonymous for AVC still synonymous or not - you will see.
Antwort von dash snow:
To Smartrendern: I find it remarkable, with Hartnack what is repeatedly claimed that it did not give. And then on any patents referred to - would be violated, it would probably already ensprchende right from the patent holder would. Why are not there?
agrees not synonymous Wolfang, Smart Rendering, there is and it works even Smartcopy works.
Antwort von wolfgang:
I say yes, it smartrendern there - no preference, as is now known.
I am amazed
constantly dogged false assertion that it would not exist. And I wonder synonymous repeatedly that such a claim, despite clear Praxisevidens stubbornly holds.
Edit: Writes about for Sony Vegas 8 in the technical specification:
Features for recording, Export and Hardware
New! Burning of Blu-ray discs directly of the timeline
New! Rendering of Long GOP HDV without re-compression
Source:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/products/product.asp?PID=457&PageID=107
Or you can Canopus Edius to read:
Segment encoding for SD and 1080i MPEG-2
Segment encoding (smart rendering ") makes his debut in version 4 of Edius Pro. Through the support of SD (480i, 576i) and 1080i MEPG-2-content, the segment encoding reduces the time required for your project in the same format and bitrate to export. This is done simply by encoding the edited and revised sections of each source MPEG-2-clips, the goal of MPEG-2-format (for example, frame rates, resolution, bitrate).
Source:
http://www.canopus.com/products/EDIUSPro/newfeatures.php
Why such a statement is not believed? Moreover, if there is enough practical evidence is that the right things? Or lie to all these companies? I can not imagine.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Wolfgang
I mentioned it once already in another thread:
It is you not preclude the acquittal of marketing brochures to believe in their accuracy and to hope.
I myself prefer s.der orients correspondence with the development departments of companies.
It is synonymous not preclude you, you s.den tests of the Austrian Amateur League to orient ... I myself prefer guided s.den results recognized institutions and universities.
So everyone has his own sources of information and come to their base seems to be different results.
How do you say but thank you: "Be not eschoffiert" ... it is now.
Antwort von dash snow:
It is synonymous not preclude you, you s.den tests of the Austrian Amateur League to orient ohhh, the good, and this fits exactly Austrian Amateur League
Antwort von ArneW:
@ wolfgang:
I thank you for your contributions, I have really helpful. Two questions I have - then I will make a decision.
You write "" Limited "means that the real-time preview, measured in fps achievable, but markedly collapses when too many effects or synonymous apertures on top of each other."
1. What does that mean? Can I use on a Quad 2.4 GHz (we have apparently the same processor) with the Black Magic card in real-time cut, if I only use soft visors? (The fact that more sophisticated screens and filters in real time is no longer possible for me would be okay).
2. If yes: Can I use in areas where several filters on top of each other and the images rucklen for preview render? (For my premiere and DV editing card is das Once I elaborate title, or similar use, the corresponding short piece (only for preview) rendered. Or must I then the whole project can be calculated?
Thank you and greetings
Arne
Antwort von Marco:
"I am guided s.der prefer correspondence with the development departments of firms." Well, it s.meinen own experiences and guided me synonymous. And lo and behold - it is, if synonymous with certain restrictions.
Marco
Antwort von WoWu:
Oh, Marco, that's true ... but I thought that I should mention that not because I am otherwise expressly pointed.
It is good that a Forum on substantial practical experience can be.
@ Arne
... Marco would be the right person for you ... with the necessary experience in AVC.
Antwort von dash snow:
If this is true because of this war-book ISBN?
Antwort von WoWu:
Guest, do you see the wrong, but there are lots of advertising slogans of the industry, which in a "the earth" promised in order to generate revenues .... and, as you see, there are always people who fall for it.
Or lie to all these companies? I can not imagine. Have you ever seen a publicity department, which only tells the truth?
Think about times s.den Full HD-nonsense ... everything just spells .... But, as I said, there are always people who are the "Stuss" believe.
That is ....
Antwort von dash snow:
Smart Rendering, Segment Encoding, Low renderer, however, there is already no preference as it is called. The need because you do not deny your assertion is not true!
Antwort von Martin Dienert:
Hello,
I consider my questions whether the HD video formats always be calculated (I used the word "Smartrendern" deliberately avoided) as an answer and I will if it becomes necessary to make himself a Picture. You need so you no longer litigate. ;-)
For me, video editing a pure hobby and accordingly are my rights. The question whether I should switch to HD required (must be) I do not currently answer. That is just about my statements can be assessed.
@ WoWu: Please appreciate my knowledge of Mpeg2 not. I have only as much knowledge as necessary angelesen (I am sorry with the English Language at loggerheads).
This is at a complete recalculation of the video quality is not to jump to is of course an argument. But I as a user would already like to decide for themselves. Especially since the source material with me always (well mostly) from one source.
What bereutet MOLE? I could on the internet to find not clever.
So we wait s.was in the future.
I personally would prefer a camcorder in a MJPEG codec (eg DV) to hard drive recording. It would give me a recording time of A - of two hours. More movies I never s.Stück. But I guess the industry does not care about individual fates. ;-)
Martin
Antwort von WoWu:
Hello Martin,
I think I appreciate your experiences MPEG correctly and the Forum could be more of quality endure.
I can understand that the source of problems in your application rather less important.
Therefore, synonymous, I mentioned that it is in principle not the problem of an MPEG-cut, if the quality is not in the foreground.
Atlantic MOLE !" - Procedures have the BBC, Snell & Wilcox, CSELT, INESC, EPFL, ENST and the Frauenhofer Institute under the "umbrella" of the SMPTE to develop possible lossless MPEG cut of material.
From the source encoder, the images are no longer on a conversion s.den destination encoder, but all details about the procedure.
So: All Motion Vector values, the predictions for the mode macroblocks, the step lengths of the quantization for each macroblock, the weighting matrix, etc., etc.
A relatively complex procedures .... completely superfluous when it comes with every $ 100 NLE would ...
In relation to your JPEG wishes, I think the DWT instead of DCT really something in the field of encoding and each has precisely one busy, the next move I am personally of the DCT from.
But, as you say, let's see times what the future brings us ... In April, the NAB and then we will see many things more precisely.
Antwort von Martin Dienert:
Thanks for the explanations, Wolfgang.
The Atlantic-MOLE !" - procedure is indeed an entirely different price category.
Martin
Antwort von WoWu:
Yes, that's true, but there is not, if the result is so synonymous with simple tools like "smart rendering" or how it always synonymous is called feasible. That such functions, there is just no question ... not synonymous, as it is done ... is for everyone to understand. But not for a few cents and not just with binary addition ... That was it really just me ...
Beautiful evening ...
Antwort von wolfgang:
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Antwort von chris67:
Scientific work is, just to make what is known and recognized, so the old pigtail.
Dotor if you did not agree and can be mutually amateurhaftigkeit the accused, then you will have your problem with an avocado elsewhere clarified.
Your dispute will benefit the unexperienced reader forum about nothing!
Antwort von soo amused:
Your dispute will benefit the unexperienced reader forum about nothing! but has a huge entertainment value, the helpless attempts to discussions in
their own forum, as a condition of the correctness of its growing soft allegations noted.
So you studied specialists, let your labor, and research is not next, not discussed with other capacities of the earth:
Wienerwaldwölfchens goes into the forum, since the sit-rounders who have tested all who know that their boss is, after all beta testers! And was ever in the university!
Another embarrassing representation of the look-look here -
Wolfgang's.
As I said, nothing comes of the material, but it is all delicious.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Martin, you will be somewhere else you need help, I'm afraid. I reichts in this thread.
Antwort von chris67:
Each thread, in which WoWu arises, we grenzenlos destroyed. The Eternal AVC tributes and alleged? Contacts with companies and manufacturers are really not much worth reading, unfortunately. And any recommendation, except WoWu's is apparently inadmissible and principles in all wrong. Schade.
A forum lives of the most diverse possible solutions and recommendations.
And why do you now when discussing the most extreme physical and technical intricacies dig? It uses none.
Sometimes it before me (achtung, subjective impression, I emphasize only times fast, or else threatening WoWu with action), that some of their ignorance behind formulas and figures hide. Was already on the university always so ...
From my perspective, the answer to the question of the thread starter probably the following:
I recommend you not yet on AVC to set because the format is still in the development stage, especially the compatibility with popular editing software. At the moment you set on a better horse with HDV. Wait times we, as the camera of Panasonic announced the game will change. In 2 years, perhaps a real-time preview with appropriate cards, just as today in HDV, AVC and the entire workflow is optimized.
Yours sincerely,
a guest who does not hide behind figures and theories, hidden, but the facts for the count!
Antwort von much more amused:
I reichts in this thread. Now he sulked, and hopefully take the opportunity in the future only the members of his forum with his own self to love.
[quote any thread in which wowu arises, we grenzenlos destroyed. [/ quote]
oh that makes it only one, and has long since unmasked.
Antwort von immanuelkant:
sorry, but the discussion here in the forum is in some little thread sachorientiert (was usually with the title or purpose of the thread is absolutely nothing more to do!) and is very often nothing more than a pointless ego-Zwiekampf responsible for the majority of those who Click on the thread, because they are actually interested in the title, is totally worthless!
Antwort von ArneW:
I find it (as openers of this topic) a shame, as the discussion here is abgedriftet, especially me some answers s.ANfang have really helped.
In the meantime, I have some forums and magazines Glesener that cut me AVCHD Sony Vegas on a quad problem in real time, at least one track in real time, or only works in many years will be possible. This helps of course, not next.
Is there anyone of AVCHD (eg with Vegas and the Black Magic card) and really cuts already verlässhlich (because even tried) to say whether one of simple Bled and without filter use a real-time preview can be obtained via HDMI?
Still searching for help ....
Antwort von runterschlüpfer:
LoL you are still not understood?
HDV offers the same quality as this unnecessary AVCHD / H.264_zeug
with much gentle Resource consumption. And thanks to MPEG 2, it is synonymous nor smartrendern. Denk synonymous s.deine nervous, ok? the poor things seem so now already a bit too tense.
Antwort von robbie:
HDV offers the same quality as this unnecessary AVCHD / H.264_zeug
with much gentle Resource consumption. And thanks to MPEG 2, it is synonymous nor smartrendern. Today, at least. Like the looks in a few years we will see. I got the thread is not quite as accurate read, but I guess that again because some of AVC einschwören.
As the guests up there already so aptly wrote: AVC at the moment is still the wrong horse, and you have more problems than benefits.
You will be with an HDV camera and have more fun after a liquid can be processed. With the Black Magic card, with several tracks in real time. All your problems will be solved;)
Antwort von immanuelkant:
yes, that would be roughly synonymous My Conclusion: It may AVC HD FUTURE basically have more, but you do so NOW in the contemporary film and edit - and there is the moment for HD HDV still s.Besten suitable!
Antwort von WoWu:
The posters have probably last the whole Tread do not read ...
I am looking for an AVCHD editing solution.
... was Arnes approach. Since there is nothing of HDV.
Then came into the game somehow HDV.
Then came the question of whether it has drawbacks of AVC on HDV back AVC to go.
I have argued that there very well the disadvantages of ...
(Any substantial objector?)
Then came the question of Harwareperformanz.
Also as I pointed out substantive response, which is probably now synonymous with Arne seems to have confirmed.
Then video surfaced of the Austrian club with his Sony/Vegas- representative, whose findings are not so well korellierten ....
Arne to your last issue:
Is there anyone of AVCHD (eg with Vegas already ..... and really cuts verlässhlich (because even tried) to say ,...... As I mentioned above: Ask Marco, that's pretty much the only one here in the forum, whose "daily bread" it is to deal with it and the experience that you are looking for.
Otherwise there are programs that can be synonymous and may be your hardware.
As the cut in an individual behaves, you will find of Marco.
And so back to your initial question:
I am looking for an AVCHD editing solution. they will find an answer.
Antwort von Martin Dienert:
Hello Ladies and Gentlemen,
Martin, you will be somewhere else you need help, I'm afraid. I reichts in this thread. Umm ... I have now once again viewed the entire thread to find out if Martin is still there. Apparently, though, I meant it. But I wrote but my questions are answered?
Thanks for the explanations, Wolfgang. And here I thought WoWu of synonymous Wolfgang says yes and the yes synonymous understood.
@ Wolfgang (WoWu)
That what you did to me is lit geantwortest me.
There are ebend (at least) two worlds. The world belongs to the professionals and of those, I synonymous best quality at any price. Finally, I want to me (maybe once synonymous with HD) s.TV view myself as possible and relax. To belong to this world some synonymous amateurs want the best quality for synonymous and are ready to be done.
The second belongs to the world Hobbyfilmern, to whom I count myself. Again, quality plays a role, but not every ebend price.
@ ArneW
I'm sorry this has helped me to the thread zerpflücken.
In what "world" would you see. If you are on the second world Hobbyfilmern belong, I would have one, although not proven, idea. Also, I'm happy owner of a DV500 and would be reluctant to renounce their ways.
Martin
Antwort von chris67:
As I mentioned above: Ask Marco, that's pretty much the only one here in the forum, whose "daily bread" it is to deal with it and the experience that you are looking for. Nothing against Marco, I laugh but I just spherical because of this almost helpless response from the self-AVCHD God WoWu ...
Antwort von chris67:
..... so that its findings would not korellierten ....
Does not mean "correlated," Mr. Doctor?
Antwort von WoWu:
Pedant, .... can keep the error, it did indeed finally found synonymous.
Antwort von Markus:
Damn, I find the box with the soothers not. One or two here could urgently use! * evil-guck *
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Tough but cordial greetings
by moderator
Antwort von WoWu:
Markus,
..... see is not so bitter, but contributes to the amusement of.
As Martin so rightly said:
There are ebend (at least) two worlds. And I would not just to the video world relate.
So look's cool.
Antwort von chris67:
As I mentioned above: Ask Marco, that's pretty much the only one here in the forum, whose "daily bread" it is to deal with it and the experience that you are looking for.
Nothing against Marco, I laugh but I just spherical because of this almost helpless response from the self-AVCHD God WoWu ... German Rundfunktanstalten shooting lately with WoWu's Amateur AVCHD format, that there "daily bread" is?
Träum next, your divinity WoWu.
Antwort von WoWu:
You should perhaps times slightly
Karl Popper read to find out why you only dare to perform anonymous.
Is it cowardice or insecurity?
In any case, it is not the courage to open confrontation and not of courage, may be rebutted.
Also: Duck you again.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Is there anyone of AVCHD (eg with Vegas and the Black Magic card) and really cuts already verlässhlich (because even tried) to say whether one of simple Bled and without filter use a real-time preview can be obtained via HDMI?
Still searching for help .... @ ArneW,
since this discussion here - once again - just out of running, and you are the victims of his take, I offer you the following: contact me via email if you want - is yours.
Antwort von highly amused:
you are the victims of his take, I offer you the following Arne man, you have a private audience, a private audience with the holy Wolfgang himself, the patron saint of all HDV filmmakers, Arne man in his forum, he will receive you, you can send him a mail, the beta testers, manno
Antwort von runterschlüpfer:
har har too stupid that you LoOoOoL is synonymous wolfgang
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Why fetzt you really so?
AVCHD is currently unusable. Whether this is better and in professional equipment is replaced by the indentation is questionable ... Shits just on this format ;-)
Antwort von chris67:
AVCHD is currently unusable. Why not?
Antwort von ArneW:
Dear Forum visitors. I hereby suspend my question s.and be in this forum once more looking for no help. I do have a fairly clear question.
I just wanted to know whether someone with AVCHD editing experience and I can say to what extent a preview in real time already exist. (Can you eg with Sony Vegas and Black Magic card, a soft aperture and use the result to be expected without an HDMI-capable television view).
I wished I had that someone who already AVCHD cuts his own experiences on this call. I have articles in video Active read that this goes with a track, but nothing about the quality of the preview has been said and it is not clear whether you are working with simple apertures, or whether real mancht only gets tough cuts (for computation complex filters would be no problem for me - if at all simple soft aperture to be calculated, I find this very annoying).
In this long forum, the majority did nothing to my question said that it is here equal to the usual disputes between AVCHD and HDV erupted). Schade ...
If someone would write that he AVCHD editing in a particular hardware has tried and it does not satisfy the run is ok - and it helps me a very next. Easy to write that on this format "shit" I should think more than odd - especially since it was introduced in many lagsam Programs holds. If you look at the new camcorder (as many problems as they have partially) screen sizes, but one can clearly observe that the AVCHD format of the next period will expire and the HDV. For this reason I'd rather put on AVCHD.
Can not have a forum here unstop point in which the HDV / AVCHD stock exchange and is synonymous for me and vehemently argue the other points like this forum free?
At the moment it is running so that someone a specific question (here AVCHD editing!) And the discussion is now in the direction of "AVCHD is scrap" drift.
WoWu is numal AVCHD fan. Ignore his posts but if you disagree and argue factually been opposed. Personal insults have in a forum like this, nothing to search.
Antwort von smooth-appeal:
You have some experience with in the area responded and you sometimes synonymous solution suggestions. If you have any further questions you may have so synonymous with the people directly in contact which is so extensively employ. Your post sounds as if you want to help ... None
The dispute, however, I can not understand synonymous ;-)
Antwort von chris67:
Why not, he asked Marco?
Antwort von runterschlüpfer:
nobody here has offended anyone. Would be an insult: "you poor bums here have nothing to report anyway."
Has anyone said such a thing? Apparently not. Well ...
perhaps, but just possibly, was that what you meant, but it was not written.
And that's it s.im dealing with each other, is not it? LoLOLoOL!
There is obviously no, the wish to work with AVCHD. This has its reasons.
Unfortunately, they bring you close to nobody. This is synonymous its reasons. How was the synonymous: still a lot of fun.
otherwise you are asking but the great Marco from WOWU recommended:
As I mentioned above: Ask Marco, that's pretty much the only one here in the forum, whose "daily bread" it is to deal with it and the experience that you are looking for.
with as many people here in the forum he seems pretty much the only one to be. Makes you it's not thoughtful? nö?
somehow synonymous, I can understand you ... I really am so synonymous. When I look at what is in their heads that, it is very difficult to get.
But mostly I'm always behind a pile of coal go. Crazy, is not it? dann mal los, auf gehts!
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Antwort von smooth-appeal:
Adults lead to as little children ... Are you mature, right? ;-)
The problems with the AVCHD brings are well known, and they must not ever be repeated. If the next computing power increased, the embedding into the NLE editing systems better and it is the codec with bit rates to 50Mbit or higher are likely to be really interesting.
So far, he is in my eyes, only a moderate - poor substitute for HDV.
Antwort von chris67:
Basically we are all AVCHD fans. The only question is s.welchem time of use as appropriate. Even WoWu, if I am not mistaken times meant that he did not believe that AVCHD with no special hardware encoder and decoder in the PC in the next few years is feasible. Since synonymous help 4 or 6 cores without SMP nothing. Programs And on symmetric multiprocessing averaged switch process itself, which is probably still quite a challenge.
Antwort von chris67:
I do not understand, with Pinnacle Studio 11 pros but you can edit AVCHD unnecessary. Ask Marco!
Antwort von chris67:
It depends on what is meant by redundant understands. From my perspective working Edius and Liquid currently under mpeg2 unnecessary. That means at least 5 tracks simultaneously without FX or FX and all the visors without Vorschaurendern and in real time in less tracks.
Everything else is a cramp during cutting and is not fun
Antwort von chris67:
With Edius can by synonymous Intermediate Files redundant former AVCHD footage cut. Ask Marco!
Antwort von chris67:
I think that actually the whole thread from the point of intersection is native. In any case, I understood the question
Antwort von robbie:
and again we see that AVC is not yet the hit is. if everything would work as it should, this thread would be superfluous. my goodness, what use a format that is causing so much discussion? schnurchel ...
Antwort von WoWu (unangemeldet):
And yet another unnecessary to bubble.
Antwort von bento124:
mister times you blow your speaking from ... 80% superfluous ...
Antwort von bento124:
Atlantic MOLE !" - Procedures have the BBC, Snell & Wilcox, CSELT, INESC, EPFL, ENST and the Frauenhofer Institute under the "umbrella" of the SMPTE to develop possible lossless MPEG cut of material.
The procedure was the beginning of 2000 in the "One Vision" initiative baptized with the Introduction of Colledia platform MUST. Particular attention was given to playout Newsroombereich placed in a completely different requirement s.das smart rendering approach provides.
Antwort von bento124:
Those who argue that the AVCHD to work, sit in Pinnaclesys forum.
Since I do not use AVCHD, so I can not comment further!
Antwort von bento124:
Particular attention was given to playout Newsroombereich placed in a completely different requirement s.das smart rendering approach provides. "completely different"? Other than what? smartrendern course is not strictly 1:1 copy.
in HDTV h.264 sat zb-stream is the audio stream very often moved. When smartrendern with the H.264TS_cutter is corrected.
But this must of course, the original data in the information content be modified. So it can sometimes even be no 1:1 copy.
And this concerns not only the audio-info, but a great many other parameters in the transport stream synonymous. Because of course you can argue as long as the video signal and the sound will not be touched, can send me the no preference - it IS smartgerendert been. So what is it really? an exact copy is not. was calculated it anyway. Smart. and how long a Proggi need for synonymous is therefore no real evidence, whether or not smartgerendert.
Antwort von bento124:
The distinction lies in the definition of the expression as Smartrendern or Smartcopy home. The Serverbasierende Assetmenagementplattform Colledia could not develop without the simultaneous access in network guarantee. Precisely these problems are still to Mpeg2 from different media made this rise in available computing power was needed.
Today it is even so far advanced in the high range at the BBC, for example, other Apps Docus and News directly connected s.Colledia be FCPro example.
Antwort von runterschlüpfer:
Loool! even more convincing as an academic and I do me like alka Seltzer. I LIIEBE this forum !!!!! LOLOLOLOöL!
Antwort von hdvfreak:
Dear forum participants!
The theme that Arne has presented, would be of me. Also I would like for my Super-8-, Hi-8-and DV-time now but still HD experience: I want to me - of the Camera on the cut square to the Television's new purchase (so synonymous trade something of my hobby !). My wish, however - as it was at DV: It is possible, a native of the signal processing of the camera to the (full-) HDTV device guaranteed.
I have read all your articles read word for word - for a beginner like a thriller! For my specific problem but I can not be right decision for my restart deduced. The reason:
I stay only a few years to me with the new video format - that is, the fourth - and last - in my younger life - to employ. I am 72nd
All-Pro and cons for both formats, I have refined. The question of an inconclusive is: Should I
- Once a "little bit" to wait with the AVC-start, or rather
- Quick start with HDV?
I would look great if the two camps - the two synonymous Wolfgang - for this, for me not only technical question, a few aspects, as a quasi-Résumé of the "dispute", would invade.
However, I fear: here is synonymous my Signum - like at home!
Despite all this I thank all in advance for your answers on a - certainly exhausting, or **** - question.
Berndt.
Antwort von immanuelkant:
HDV Hi freak,
Today, there are (still) a good and mature HDV camcorder, the new AVCHD cams in picture in no way are (in the higher range HDV even dominated the amateur and Semiprof. market) and there are now a number of good editing programs , now with the usual hardware performance HDV - video cut.
My recommendation: Leb 'today! With HDV, you are currently on the right Page and you will invest your course synonymous medium easily can use!
Greetings!
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
@ HDVFreak,
my tip: build everything in HDV, so you have under the current state the fewest problems ...
Can you be happy on my little HP video scout, I also work with HDV, now living in the third ...
Can synonymous me happy anmailen if you have questions.
Antwort von wolfgang:
@ Aka HDVfreak Berndt,
Can you be happy on my little HP video scout, I also work with HDV ...
Can synonymous me happy anmailen if you have questions. The same is true for me. Arne was in about 10 email probably largely helped, we have fortunately still synonymous just email and our other forums, one of which even on the HD issues from practical viewpoint specialized. Email and other forums (see my signature) are two ways that you obviously synonymous open.
In this thread, but I do want on your desire for substantive points HDV versus AVCHD no longer received the senseless hostility of (seemingly) anonymous visitors of me. Thanks for understanding.
Antwort von bento124:
Fortunately, we have still synonymous just email and our other forums, yes then get it from here acker, du mucus. so
durchsichtiges backlash None has yet deducted. müll your own forum is full.
we must die jungs of Slashcam admire. elsewhere would be such a troublemaker for a long time away from the window, which is the only forum for self-promotion abused pfui Deibele
Antwort von bento124:
@ Host
The distinction lies in the definition of the expression as Smartrendern or Smartcopy home. The Serverbasierende Assetmenagementplattform Colledia could not develop without the simultaneous access in network guarantee. Precisely these problems are still to Mpeg2 from different media made this rise in available computing power was needed.
Today it is even so far advanced in the high range at the BBC, for example, other Apps Docus and News directly connected s.Colledia be FCPro example. I get the reference of Colledia for smart rendering or Smartcopy not really made, because in his Colledia cluster V880 and the 280R SQ-server principle, and every contribution of both bandwidth (30Mbit / s Content and 1.5 Mbit / s browsing) issued.
In addition, the "copy shop" on the "Onmibus" level is made, a connection over the data plane does not allow.
It is my connection to the topic is not really clear and may need additional guidance.
Antwort von wowu (unangemeldet):
... As always forget ..
Gruss
Wolfgang
Antwort von Tom Keller Schweiz:
For me, you need not register, I do it not synonymous.
There is already a little tension just before Easter because his and so will you be sure it herrausfinden. Incidentally, the company which the asset software for the BBC has co is a German as well as the ESPN cert. MpegEncoderSDKs and they are synonymous and rendering Copyfähig SMART! (As the NDA holder, it was the s.hier).
Antwort von Markus:
Temporarily closed. zum Bild The sad state: 7 Offtopic posts were deleted, at 12 supposedly anonymous postings, I have removed the offending content, the postings for the documentation of the IP addresses, however, let stand. In 4 papers, I have both the offending sections removed.
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