Infoseite // Artifacts in AVI files in MSP 6.5

Frage von Gifi:


Hello,
My name is Gisela and I most pressing need help, because I already beat me since last year August, after meine 1 Broken hard drive was gone, with problems, or around at present, only with a problem in my video editing. And indeed, if I my movie as an AVI file (AV DV Type 1) have created, I have artifacts in the film. (at 43min.Filmlänge about 4 artifacts. If, after about 3 / 4 Min.auf)
As an MPEG file these artifacts do not occur.
Meanwhile, I have been synonymous various other codecs and image types tested drivers. Since I got extra. Problems, for example, when played back with the ScLive etc.
I work with the Medion MD 8000,
Pentium (R) 4 CPU 2.66 GHz
512MB RAM
2 GB hard disks p.120.
Meanwhile, I have the 3rd get a new hard drive of Medion, because all the broken hard disks were newly established, and 2 new types of artwork.
Can someone help me?
Gisela



Antwort von Gast:

How do the artifacts look like? Are the blocks?

How / how did you create for your DV-AVI? Do you have the DV-AVI file played back even look at the Camera and then viewed on a television? Are there artifacts see synonymous or only on the PC monitor?

And, the MPEG file from the DV-AVI transcoded with the artifacts?



Antwort von GiFi:

Hello,
so the artifacts are small "building blocks". My AVI file I have created with the MSP 6.5.
MPEG or AVI files I create new each time, so I do not transcode.
Using ScLive I have this file then replayed in my camcorder.
I've just seen this film from the camcorder to the Television
and the artifacts are now no "blocks anymore, but comparable to, as if the filmmakers have an easy verruckelt the Picture and there are small audio dropouts.
You can start anything?
Gisela



Antwort von Gast:

No, because I can not begin to correct what with.
That is too general, since any setting when capturing, editing, rendering or replay may be wrong. There are sooo many options here if we all wanted to play through Christmas, we are not ready yet, Christmas 2009 wohlbemerkt :-)

Can you give only a few general tips: look, if you dropped frames when capturing (have) not likely, look for whether the hard drive is set to DMI or SuperDMI (in Device Manager), look after whether MSP is set to smart rendering that you are not PAL and NTSC have set to choose any "exotic" codecs ...

Otherwise you have to try, here in the forum the attention of the Hannes with the "good luck from food") (escape detection. That is the MSP-Specific

Good luck.



Antwort von StefanS:

"Gifi" wrote: And indeed, if I my movie as an AVI file (AV DV Type 1) have created, I have artifacts in the film. (at 43min.Filmlänge about 4 artifacts. If, after about 3 / 4 Min.auf)

I advise and ask:
After you've copied it via firewire from the camcorder to your PC, then edit (cut) and you have a new DV Type 1 under a new name to save hard drive, this new file, the errors described above, or have already copied the original of the camera clips?

"Gifi" wrote: As an MPEG file these artifacts do not occur.

I advise and ask next:

You have saved the film of the camera during capture process with MSP just as MPEG2, and now are not dealt with next no errors.
Or have you finished the film rather than DV type1 saved after editing in MPEG2?

"Gifi" wrote:
I work with the Medion MD 8000,
Pentium (R) 4 CPU 2.66 GHz
512MB RAM
2 GB hard disks p.120.
Meanwhile, I have the 3rd get a new hard drive of Medion, because all the broken hard disks were newly established, and 2 new types of artwork.


I do not believe that the calculator and the third record deal with the problem of Rtefakte too. If the box but its so sensitive, I can only recommend to extreme paranoia with respect to data security.

Greeting
Stefan



Antwort von MiXMaster:

"Stefan" wrote:
I do not believe that the calculator and the third record deal with the problem of Rtefakte too. If the box but its so sensitive, I can only recommend to extreme paranoia with respect to data security.

Greeting
Stefan

Well, evt could be that the new record is not available on DMA.



Antwort von StefanS:

since Gifi no longer report, the problem is apparently resolved

Greeting
Stefan



Antwort von Gifi:

Very briefly. I had / have no time for me to report. Problem is not solved completely.
Register me this evening again.



Antwort von Gifi:

So, here I am again.
And now for your questions:
1. Only the AVI file has the errors described above, not the clips that I have hineingespielt from your camcorder into the PC.
2. My film I capturer is stored as AVI. These AVI files, edit () I then cut and create the finished movie again:
s.als AVI file (so I can replay it in my camcorder.
b) as an MPEG file, so I can burn them to DVD's.
3. During capture, I had no dropped frames.
4. Is on my hard drive 1: "current transfer mode Ultra DMA-5
And when my hard drive 2 reads: "current transfer mode Ultra DMA Mode 2".
5. Usually I create my files with "smart rendering", but at the last attempt, I disabled it.
6. PAL, I've set and synonymous with "exotic" codecs, I have chosen not synonymous.
Does not really synonymous next, right?
Gruß Gisela






Antwort von Gast:

No, not really helping.
As far as I can see it you have done everything correctly, the problem may be something. Also the Firewire cable, the Kamcorder or tape.
Sorry, but I can not help you there unfortunately. Maybe someone else has an idea. I keep my fingers crossed.



Antwort von Gifi:

Yes, I thank you but erstmal. I hope that someone else has more ideas from the forum.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von StefanS:

So I go slowly then synonymous to the questions whose answers could perhaps lead us to the problem. It looks as if we could narrow the error. "It" happens even now apparently when creating the new AVI file.

Since you do not "exotic codecs" used, we assume that the Microsoft DV codec is present.

I still do not believe s.The plate (s). DMA 5, 2, or not. The 3.6 MB / sec for DV but today really brings every disk and creating the movie from the timeline is also not plattenkritisch whether with or without rendering, rendering more with less, because the plate is waiting on the CPU rather than the other way around.

I have no really compelling idea, but still a possibility that is worth seeing. Please describe your project settings once. And although putting in detail not just the headline (DV, Pal, ...), but what parameters really behind it, including sound. Namely, MSP has shipped several versions with the project settings that were not correct, or did not match the "headline".

If you draw from your camcorder gecapturten clips on the timeline, then immediately have both bars (green and red) on the clip available or is only rendered once a preview? If you should have turned on the visualizer and can not see why, disable the Quick time.

This happens with every project / film, or only one?
What about (times forget that this is not only useless pragmatic and compromising quality brings - is nur'n thought and attempt), if you walk in the back MPEG AVI?

If there then nothing comes out when I'm with my Latin s.end first time. But perhaps there will nich an approach. Never give up hope :-)

Greeting
Stefan



Antwort von Gifi:

Hello Stefan,
yes, it always happens only when creating the new AVI files.

As I said, "exotic codecs" I do not use only the Microsoft DV codec.

My project settings are as follows:
1.) Edit file format: Microsoft AVI files
2.) Video Editor:
TV standard: PAL (25B / S)
Image Type: Field order A
Overlay Tracks: 3
" video filters to apply
3.) General:
Data Track: Audio + Video
Frame rate: 25 frames / sec.
Resolution: standard 720 x 576
4.) complex:
Objective-Play Drive: Users
5.) Compression:
Compression: DV type 1 video Encorder
Data type: 24 bit RGB
Audio: DV format Daudio-Pal
Attributes: 48.000 kHz, 16 bit stereo

When I put the clip on the timeline are now synonymous the beams (green and red) on the clip

The artifacts were in every project, after my hard drive was broken and I got to the next and next.
This new 3rd hard drive at the moment I can only speak of a Project, which I completed. Am now only at a 2nd Project.

What surprised me is the only way that previously, before my record was broken, everything as "lubricated" and I was the only problem was, after the plates were replaced. And still I am surprised that a record was broken after the other within a short time.

Does that help things a bit next?
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von StefanS:

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The project settings are obviously ok.

But for now I have to start my plate to deal with the issue?

I assume that MSP on C: the first plate is located. This plate was not broken and was not replaced.
I do not know what are the individual clips. Also on C:? Or on a different partition on the first drive? Or second to the plate?
Where do you save your movie to be produced (the AVI file)? On the second panel?

Do you have access to an external disk? Preferably with Firewire port, at a pinch, however, does synonymous USB, but USB 2.0 has to please both the Calculator and as synonymous join the external disk.

If so, try it once to create AVI file on the external disk. Same result?

When the then synonymous makes no difference, I can only guess that has sent the "adoption" of the first plate, is bent somewhere in the depths of your MSP a "But". Install In other words, once a new MSP, is the mistake?

If it seems just stop with trial and error.

Greeting
Stefan



Antwort von Gifi:

Hello Stefan,
So MSP is located on the second disk, and not to C! And all the home movies (AVI) also go to the 2nd Plate.

An external disk I have not.
MSP and I have already uninstalled and reinstalled so many times. Artifacts remained.

Does that somehow next.
I have the MSP 6.5 MPEG Power Now, Patch 2_G.exe,
MSP 6.5 patch and the MPEG.Now Power Patch_G.exe installed.
Even of the beginning, since I own MSP. Without the patches, not running at the MSP effects.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von Gifi:

I find just off the bat.
For all the tinkering, I've already packed synonymous MSP to C, but what remained were the artifacts.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von Gifi:

Yesterday again brought nightshift.
1. My final movie, about 35 minutes long, on my "video disk" with fast rendering, created as an AVI file. The first artifacts came after about 10 minutes total I had 5 pieces in it.

2. Delete this movie all over again, but made no "quick rendering. Same result.

3. Then again the movie as an AVI file on disk C placed. But I had s.den places where "normally occurring" the artifacts, small sound breaks in it, so no artifacts.

Does the next?
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von MiXMaster:

You do not live by chance in the northern district of Cologne?
So slow your system makes me really curious.

If I did not believe you, I was almost tempted to say that does not exist.

At the moment I am at a loss, and since no one else involved here that are (apparently synonymous's ambitions awakened so that)

Do you have the opportunity once a Picture of one of the artifacts upload somewhere for viewing? And one synonymous Tonschnipsel?

When I trace with the records of the time engaged, I once naively asked:
Plate (s) times defragmented?

Greeting
Stefan






Antwort von StefanS:

... oh yes, something else.

Do you have the opportunity to edit this film once a trial basis with any other editing software as an MSP and create? Any download demo version, perhaps?

Just to be really rule out that your MSP has gotten nothing?

Greeting
Stefan



Antwort von cutter200:

"Gifi" wrote: Then again the movie as an AVI file on disk C placed. But I had s.den places where "normally occurring" the artifacts, small sound breaks in it, so no artifacts.
It reminds me that I've often had trouble transferring times of MSP on the camcorder if some passages were Driven the film in the sound too high. Perhaps you can help even more time to experiment ... ?
Good luck, Klaus



Antwort von Gifi:

Hi Stefan, Hi Klaus.
I live in Lilienthal, near of Bremen. Sorry, unfortunately not in the vicinity of Cologne.
How do I get through this, upload a Picture of the artifacts and Tonschnipsel? (The artifacts appear only in the overall complex. If I as the clip. Exhibited in the film artifact, separate editing, ie. Create AVI file is not an artifact in there)

Defragment before drawing any AVI file is of course a must, so it can not be synonymous.

Yes, my treatment I could try once with MSP 7th However, I do not like the MSP 7 of the entire surface especially, so I went back to my old MSP 6.5. But I'll take in the coming days once try out.

Here I find something about this book. My MSP 6.5 CD has a scratch.
Can it also install without problems.
Could this be the cause?

The Audio Control Destoner I look yet at times synonymous, although the artifacts occur already in the creation of the AVI file.

Gruß Gisela



Antwort von Gast:

Follow this thread next,'m curious about what is the cause.
Could actually do so with the plates have to. How are you formatted your disks? How big is your RAM and your swap space (the portion of the plate on which the program data stored in the meantime)? The latter you can set in MSP, 2GB is certainly a good size.
Incidentally, in the beautiful area you live, as I have often been as a child.



Antwort von StefanS:

"Gifi" wrote: How do I get through this, upload a Picture of the artifacts and Tonschnipsel?

The Picture s.einfachsten with the capture of Modeul MSP. After creating the film (= the AVI file) you just loading this AVI file with the capture module of MSP, navigierst to a picture that shows the artifacts and will save it as single. The image file you then shops at a suitable site / URL. Such views here in the forum for it. There are some suggestions / solutions.

With the sound you do the following:
You load the AVI file in a new project. Then you are looking to completely delete everything Tonfehler and 1 seconds before the error and everything one seconds after the failure. Your "Film is now only a little over 2 seconds. Then you go back to" Create "and just create a WAV file. Et voila, you can turn the" somewhere "to upload.

At the scratches on the CD, I do not think so. But with the faith I've quit my problem with your real :-)

Of RAM, swap file, etc. I do not think synonymous. With me it works with my decrepit AMD 850, AMD + VIA Chip Combination, 256 MB RAM, 768 MB swap file and the folder for the temporary preview files of MSP6, now 7, somewhere in one of the plates.

It remains exciting halt.

Really a shame that with the removal. That makes my family then but no longer with :-)

Greeting
Stefan



Antwort von Gifi:

Yes, super. Thanks for the tip. Tomorrow I go in the same!
Have me tonight zermattert his head again, how do you get the point. Wanted to try a place where an artifact is, with the media player printen. But I think I would have died geprintet me.

Then I had another idea, maybe all time "decoupled" Create an AVI file to. So, just take the clips without sound and without any backing music. Then the clips without sound, but with backing music, etc.
Maybe I can possibly narrow it somewhat, right?

Yes, with the distance it really is a shame and I think that your family will complain. In my house you can no longer hear my problems.
Brüggen is very much of "northern" Of Cologne removed? I have a friend living in Brüggen and eventually, I will visit them again.
Perhaps that would be even a possibility if everything jetztigen with your help, does not work. And on this occasion, I thank you already once for all the trouble that you you are doing.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von Gifi:

Hello Stefan,
Oh dear, with me, but not everything works synonymous.
So in the capture I get the error message: "An unknown error has occurred while accessing \ H: ..... avi..
Times suspect that the file is too large (7,549,311 KB), because smaller AVI files, I can easily open.

Then I remembered, with Video Paint I could synonymous still try. But there also came the same error, even if I enter yes here, the area = time, which is to be processed.

And with the Media Player printen this, was zero.

Gruß Gisela



Antwort von StefanS:

On the size of the file must not exist. Lie Although I skipped the 6.5er and am of the same 6.0 switched to 7, but was similar for both / is opening an arbitrarily large DV-AVI no problem. The last one was about 37 GB.

If your capture module in the current state of times but now just do not want large files, then you open the movie again just with the video editor, are cutting everything that is not "artifact" that is in front and away and then just create new again. In principle, the same approach as in the sound. Afterwards, you then open your remaining balance in the new Capture module and will save a Picture.

But so slowly make me the condition of your MSP or perhaps synonymous of your computer's real concerns.

On the other hand, the error could be synonymous, of course, be an indication that something is wrong with the file. But out of here, I am afraid I can not.

Can you recall the image properly on the camera?
s.den film without creating borher again, directly from the timeline
b) the resulting movie

The answer to both questions might be of interest. When problems because the artifacts are also seeing the display of the camera to speak are and / or s.TV for naturally connect the analog s.den Television Camera (composite or S-video) you could send me the tape once to view.

I could watch it at least capturn and then see if / what s.Artefakten / Tonfehlern on it is.

Whether it's helping, I can not promise.
Testing and think about it.

You might have a 2nd Calculator zurt available? Can you as your MSP and try uploading it s.diesem calculator again?

Greeting
Stefan



Antwort von StefanS:

... oh so, Brüggen is according Map24 n.entfernt approximately 114th
Sorry, out of reach for a probable long hours event.

Greeting
Stefan






Antwort von StefanS:

@ Jack,

comes to you for nothing more to this topic?

Greeting
Stefan



Antwort von Gifi:

Yes, 114 rather n.ist far, I give you right.
Have tried again tonight, with the editor to get the artifacts tedious, so you see them after then it has not worked with the capture and so on.
Attempts to bring this time tomorrow on a home page and sign up again.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von Gifi:

Here you will find the Picture with the artifacts:





Antwort von Gifi:

Have now installed MSP 7 times. Capture could save with a better frame. See anl link.




Antwort von Gifi:

Hello Stefan,
just noticed that s.Montag, 30.1. A contribution of you was there, (do not understand why I have not seen?)
for example, with your questions:
<<Can you recall the image properly on the camera?
s.den film without creating borher again, directly from the timeline
b) the resulting movie>>.
Well today I have just installed MSP 7th Too bad that I would have gladly tried synonymous yet, then a tape sent to you.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von StefanS:

Hi,

I have just seen the picture.
So similar, only more colorful, and look at my problems if I take a not so good, analog signal with the old Hollywood DV Bridge verarbeite.

To all others:

Yes, I know, today was better because of Canopus :-)
But I have this thing now times have

Zurüch relating to:

Unfortunately, this does not really bring us next.

I know at the moment no advice more.
Jack, the man who actually is familiar with MSP, I apparently have not been able to activate synonymous. But I still experimental times.

Probiers times with a newly installed MSP7 and write how it proceeds.

Too bad, I remember the moment is a nothing more. Where will it come to a disorder of the purely digital processing chain?

Friends, but thinks with time.

This is certainly more interesting answer than to 2.756sten time the Frgae how to secure the old VHS tapes to DVD.

Greeting
Stefan



Antwort von Gast:

Well, I try to think ahead again.

Gisela wrote usfolgendes:

"What concerns me is just so surprising that earlier, before my record was broken, everything as" lubricated "and I was the only problem was, after the plates were replaced. And still surprises me that a plate to the other within a very short Time has been broken. "

"Then again brought the movie as an AVI file on disk C. But I had s.den places where" normally occurring "the artifacts, small sound breaks in it, so no artifacts."

I type, therefore, tend to any problems with the plates, their connections, or hierarchy.



Antwort von cutter200:

Hallo Gisela, Stefan and other "tried"
synonymous, I do think the whole thread and was synonymous with more than 5 years experience with MSP. Also I could help Gisela easily with technical support, because I, I live in Bremen - but I do not synonymous occurred more than you. The blocks of education indeed indicates that the error of the decoder in the digital-> analog conversion is overtaxed. In my case occurs when the primary analog signal (band magnetization DV tape or analog input to the Hollywood Bridge) had been disturbed - for example s.Videokopf with dirt. This kind of disorder but ruled out after the many tests well. But what troubles me is near the time of error occurrence, the reference to two (!) Previously broken plates. Since I have come to suspect that a hardware problem exists s.andere body, and indeed on the motherboard. First Suspect: IDE controller, PCI bus controller, power supply. I would try to convince them Medion that a MoBo swap should be made (synonymous when I only have faint hope that) see that. Even before I could make a credible connection between the blocks and one mobo problem, but in fact I have such a "miracle" synonymous already experienced.
If necessary, I can examine the chest once with my modest testing capabilities. Gisela sure I would have to drop off the Aberle (hspan@gmx.net).
What mistakes were in fact emerged in the two 'broken' records?

I wish Gisela optimism, perseverance and luck, and next would think with

Klaus



Antwort von hannes:

Hi Gisela,

I am in fact synonymous an "effort" and I've made my thoughts so well. Has shown the path that Klaus, struck me as the 1st book.
The issue is too complex to which it can be resolved by remote diagnosis.

With similar symptoms I've found that usually by the Auschlußverfahren. Time it was the head drum, sometimes the converter, DMA times ....

For such kind of help but I'm sitting too far from the shot.

Sorry and good luck from Essen
hannes






Antwort von GiFi:

Hello all of you
erstmal I would like to thank all of you that your trying to help me. Quite wonderful.
The fact that John lives in Bremen, the same (or less around the corner) is indeed so for me a pure stroke of luck. 'll Sit together with Klaus and pack up my "box" and go to him if it is him right.

Medion When I no longer need to intervene, because after the last letter to take on this is out of warranty, because the errors were all "Application Error" and unfortunately my warranty has expired s.13.12.05.

The next I like to write even more garnicht:
When I go to create the MSP at 7 in the project settings, or synonymous to File, click the settings for "AVI", closes the program. Way it is.
Still have my movie as an AVI file trying to create, hard drive was almost empty.
Could this problem, or my old problem have something to do with the DV encoder.

Slowly but surely, I'm there "to be crazy."

Gruß Gisela



Antwort von AndyZZ:

Have you ever thought to put on a complete new calculator?
All runterwerfen, reformat, operating system, re-partition hard disks and aufzuspielen new software?
Is ne pig work, I know, but maybe it helps ...?

Greeting

Andy



Antwort von GiFi:

Hi Andy,
na clear, I've been thinking not only about but the synonymous put into action, and the calculator reformatted. This was have my initial steps in my helplessness, and the good advice of synonymous Medion and how often I do that now, I can not tell you you more. So, not only once but dozens of times, but always with the same result, the artifacts were still there.
But thanks for your tip.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von Gast:

@ Gisela

Wg MSP7 of the crash: you may have one or even several codec packs installed or you have the Lame codec on it) (MP3?
For me MSP7 is initially synonymous regularly crashed, s.end I could not even open it. And then to have to uninstall codecs, and lo and behold, it was the Lame from a codec pack.



Antwort von Gifi:

"Wg the crash of MSP7"
Ok, I'm going at times tomorrow. Am now in the process of creating the movie as an MPEG file to see if everything works out here.
But quite frankly, I would like s.liebsten that my MSP 6.5, which I love, "" run again, and I very much hope that Klaus contact me, (have him) sent an e-mail, so it's all times can watch.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von Gast:

I press you fingers crossed.



Antwort von GiFi:

Yes, press your thumb, that I can really use, because since last year, I'll fight with this ..... around.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von GiFi:

To all "endeavor,"
Contact with Klaus from Bremen went well and I'll bring him by my calculator s.Samstag.
But today again contain old MSP 6.5, since MSP 7, with AVI's, yes, I did not synonymous and synonymous No opinion more time to find out why, what and why.
So now my movie has created another new in MSP 6.5, as an AVI file, but of course once again with artifacts.
I am curious what will find Klaus. The result, I will let you know next week.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von StefanS:

The hope is dying last.

What I find still passed through my mind is the fact that the errors so obviously arise only when "copying" of the one clip in the entire film. Copying so as s.dieser body so no editing, as happened for example rendering of an effect or conversion to MPEG.

When rendering to MPEG and convert the CPU has indeed love their effort, the hard drive with data to be written to provide for, say, the amount of data that must be written in a specific time on the hard drive, are quite low.

When creating the AVI, but the data is copied even in principle, only of one other in the file. Since coming to DV about 3.6 MB / sec for reading and another 3.6 MB / sec. for writing together.

Even though I have not wanted to believe s.The plates ('s just really rare in recent years), but maybe they broke the hard drive performance for a short time every now and again you get the picture interference.

The question is why suddenly the Festpalttenleistung enough anymore?

Have you run any of Programs / tasks / duties, etc. in the background?
Virus software, defragger, and what I know, what do Windoze so everything if it is allowed, especially when - not misunderstand - devices that are configured for example of distributors such as Medion, for some reason, is not always bad.

It would be an attempt to stop still worth doing there.

Greeting
Stefan






Antwort von Gifi:

Hello Stefan,
I like your thought process very well and sounds very plausible.
Virus scanners, etc., everything is on display during editing. And automatic. I've turned off updates of Microsoft.
But maybe something's going on in the background, which I have no idea.
Furthermore, I could talk again with Klaus, because yesterday I brought my calculator to him to Bremen, and he wants it checked this Monday / Tuesday time. (He taps on the motherboard, which may be of the time that may have caused the faulty power supply, gotten a little)

And what to me Friday when I re MSP 7 lowered (because of the non-DV encoder to be set) and MSP did contain old 6.5 again, (another new film for Klaus as an AVI file is created noticed) that if, come the first artifacts these are very small and then grow larger and subsequently have the size, as of the Picture, which I posted on the website.
Erstmal Thanks for this idea and how right you have:
The hope is dying last.
Register me immediately, of course, when Klaus, one can already say almost has hopefully found.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von cutter200:

Hello Gisela. Stefan and others!
Quote: The hope is dying last .... If Klaus, one can almost say, has hopefully found.
I bury the hope! Such an intricate error, I've rarely seen! After 3 days of intensive investigations s.Giselas Calculator I can rule out that it is synonymous s.den plates and no other hardware problem was evident when BurnIn test synonymous no temperature problem. A very detailed hardware test program, however I have not!
Everything superfluous is turned off and the MSP s.Prozessen settings have corrected (I still had Gisela settings) improvement.
However, repeated the error!
A special feature of the artifacts is that they occur independently of the starting material in the rendered AVI file (DV type1) always frame accurate at the same offset, and exactly 1 frame cover, and although at the following offsets from the beginning: 00:09:52-15, 00 :14:48-23, 00:19:45-06, 00:24:41 -? .
Nevertheless, the behavior is not quite stable because of 10 attempts rendering succeeded 2 times, a result without artifact. Unfortunately, however, led each of the subsequent experiment with identical settings back to the error. (For Blitzmerker: No, synonymous preview cache has no effect!).
Now I really am with my Latin s.end first time!

Has anyone else an idea?
Greeting
Klaus



Antwort von StefanS:

Gisela Hello, Hello Klaus,

no, no, no, so'n thing's are probably rare.

One idea did I at a distance not longer synonymous. But I noticed something else.

Do you have views of the time 00:00:00-00 calculated 00:09:52-15 up?
The result is divided by 2, if I have not charged me, 00:04:56-08.
I 00:04:56-08 Add to 00:09:52-15 I get 00:14:48-23
I 00:04:56-08 Add to 00:14:48-23 I get 00:19:45-06

Calculate time to ask someone if I lay beside it, somewhere.

But it looks as though the problem to step in intervals.

Please Extrapolating synonymous to me, if this interval while DV Type 1 typically around 3.5 MB / sec is almost exactly 1 GB.

How could lead us to a solution, I know not synonymous, but I think next about it.

People cling to happy times already and, according to Murphy s.Strohhalme s.end is always the part of the solution to the problem that was raised so far beyond all doubt.

Greeting
Stefan



Antwort von Gifi:

Hello All of you,
<<MAN Clings already happy times s.Strohhalme...>>, yes I was hoping sooo much that Klaus would find something.
Klaus has invested so much work and time s.ihn s.dieser place a huge big thank you.
Klaus did again today with telephone calls, and he installed the MSP 7 again.
We'll see what comes out comes.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von cutter200:

Eureka,
the problem is not detected, but solved: I installed MSP7 am in the process and followed the advice of guest:

"Guest" wrote: Wg MSP7 of the crash: you may have one or even several codec packs installed or you have the Lame codec on it) (MP3?

It was actually installed a Lame MP3 audio codec, which the Veditor of MSP7 always brought the death, when I clicked in the dialog for the project settings on the AVI tab.
Thanks for the advice!

@ Stefan
The unusual event with the periodic spacing of the artifacts in MSP6.5 is Gisela and I noticed synonymous, but so far I could not draw any conclusions, other than a speculation about a Annomalie in internal buffer management of MSP in RAM.
Having now with MSP7 Gisela target result is achieved, I do not put more time into research, if it irritates the Forschergeit synonymous ...

Good night s.alle cothinkers
Klaus



Antwort von Gast:

With patience and saliva to catch a Mucke. I'm glad (as Bremer especially :-) and proves once again the saying of the blind chicken ...



Antwort von Nightfly!:

Well Supper!

Have fun with other cutting Gisela!

@ ALL
Would only be clarified whether this is a general problem in Windows, and therefore the DV-type1 with Lame or specifically relates to MSP.

At Adobe, the problem is not auftretten because the codecs do not generally involve with.

If the question arises whether, for example in virtualdub, a similar effect, as used here, as in MSP Windows codecs are available.

Which version of LAME was it?

Greeting
Nightfly.



Antwort von Gifi:

Hi Stefan and all the others ....
I thank all of you that you have tried so hard to help me!
That was really fantastic !!!!!
What kind of a "difficult birth", of course, Klaus.
Tomorrow I'll get my calculator of Klaus again and then I put off erstmal, for in the previous "tailoring" I was-almost-the lust passed.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von Nightfly!:

Moin moin!

I once checked in my MSP with DV STYLE1.
-> Medion MD 8008 Pentium (R) 4 CPU 2.66 GHz
-> Audio Codec LAME v3.96 is synonymous installed

've Converted 17 minutes:

Quote: A special feature of the artifacts is that they occur independently of the starting material in the rendered AVI file (DV type1) always frame accurate at the same offset, and exactly 1 frame cover, and although at the following offsets from the beginning: 00:09:52-15, 00 :14:48-23, 00:19:45-06, 00:24:41 -? .

No artifacts!

For this, I noticed that during recording of the TV tuner card, some audio codecs Mickey Mouse Record sound.
'm Going to uninstall LAME and see what comes across it.

Greeting
Nightfly!






Antwort von bäda:

"Nightfly" wrote: I once checked in my MSP with DV STYLE1.
-> Medion MD 8008 Pentium (R) 4 CPU 2.66 GHz
-> Audio Codec LAME v3.96 is synonymous installed

've Converted 17 minutes:

Quote: A special feature of the artifacts is that they occur independently of the starting material in the rendered AVI file (DV type1) always frame accurate at the same offset, and exactly 1 frame cover, and although at the following offsets from the beginning: 00:09:52-15, 00 :14:48-23, 00:19:45-06, 00:24:41 -? .

No artifacts!
Again to clarify:
The artifacts occurred only with MSP 6.5 on and had (probably?) Nothing to do with Lame. Lame, however, was responsible for ensuring that in MSP 7.3 Click on the "AVI" tab in the dialog to the project settings Veditor silently adopted.

Greeting
Klaus



Antwort von StefanS:

hmpf!

The artifacts were thus clearly of a "shot-caused" MSP6.5. Interestingly, the left is not synonymous with a new installation of the computer / of MSP6.5 get a grip.

But we are talking here of computers. Since we have become accustomed s.so's something and take out, especially since there is now a functioning MSP7 solution.

That MSP7 in connection with one Lame MP3 not properly working, I can not confirm again. Both are running with me peaceably side by side. However, I have not yet installed the MSP Service Pack 3. Do not ask me why, I had somehow picked up once a notice that there should be a problem (could).

Well up there, that just makes the Lame with MSP7.3 theater. Interesting would be a confirmation of a guest who first drew attention to the lame, that it is synonymous with him wants to MSP7.3 say MSP7 with service pack is 3rd

Then I finally let the finger that is it :-)

Greeting
Stefan



Antwort von Gast Lame:

I'm sorry, but I do not remember which version it was.
As an MSP suddenly crashed and I have made after rescinded after everything I had installed changed since the last operation of MSP /. This was usein codec pack (either tsunami or K-Lite, do not remember which one). After I with the help of the Lame codec pack de-had installed we went again. Did then the Lame again installed a trial basis and not MSP ran again. Maybe it was the Lame s.sich, but may be synonymous, that the conjunction of the Lame codec pack was. I do not know how good these codec packs, and whether they really original, unaltered states codecs included.
If you want I can still write to you again sometime and which codec pack, etc., it is. Ggf lasts but a few days, I'm just traveling.
Perhaps Gisela know where she got the Lame?

LG, Lame



Antwort von Gifi:

Hello You
> Perhaps Gisela know where she got the Lame? <
No, unfortunately, not more. (possibly K-lite, which I had once synonymous love you.)

I'll be back again relating to "never-ending story?" Artifacts "
Klaus now had had my PC in my hands. (I'm eternally grateful to him for all that, what happened)
Unfortunately synonymous with Klaus's film an artifact and a "collapse" of the picture. "Make ready for Klaus or a DVD, because he could not believe it, because with him, as he said, was nothing.
At the moment I'm in the process, a new film (all frustrated, without hope of re-cut) on and I'm sure, I would once again synonymous "joy" with my boyfriend "get artifact.
I think I have given up hope that we never get out.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von Gast Lame:

Now, not be so pessimistic. In a pinch, we set a dowser one :-)
You did not happen on an external burner or stand next to your PC? Or some other high-frequency device (cell phone, microwave ...) or a second PC?



Antwort von Gifi:

Meanwhile, I'll take everything synonymous a divining-goers!
No microwave, no phone, no hochfreguentes device etc etc, stand next to my PC. But perhaps my PC my "presence may" no longer, but is not synonymous to, for if allowed to come synonymous with Klaus not an artifact.
I "tinker-" now s.einem new film and am curious, how many artifacts.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von Gast Lame:

Well for one to ...
When do the artifacts occur at intervals of x minutes, blow the blocks-devil a trick, your video into shorter sequences à x-1 minutes and authore them as chapters. No real solution, but one without the artifacts?



Antwort von Gifi:

Yes, neeee, not really the solution.
Yesterday night I finished a film of about 25 minutes in length.
Had not an artifact inside. Coincidence? I'll see it my next movie so (maybe).
Gruß'Gisela



Antwort von gnoi:

Moin,
I'm sorry, I'm reading it first.
Did you use mp3's?
If so, this is the cause of 99.9%.
mp3 has a sampling rate of 44.1Khz, you have a project with Dv AVI and MPEG-compliant 48Khz. MSP6.5 can not correctly highs traffic lights.
MP3's too easy to oversteer lead to dropouts and artifacts.
Can I reproduce. mp3 convert to WAV first external 48Khz.

And this happens not every mp3. There is a link with the audio levels of the file. Therefore, it is probably the bad guy by chance that it's not occurred at the first film.

Under MSP7 and AVI Type 1 and DIRECTX 9b and HT CPU, there were similar artifacts. I infer from this time.

Furthermore you can AVi type1 dropouts in sound when one takes the trouble with single way to scroll through the film, which displays the audio track is then interrupted. With AVI type2 you have this problem, do not.

Conclusion:
With the use of MSP6.5 and mp3 44.1Khz I Tonaussetzter and artifacts. about 3-4 per hour
With WAV 48KHz they were gone.
Not the Ulead audio program to resample use, but an external Audiobrogramm.

There is a small synonymous Progi which umsampelt only WAV File of 44.1 to 48.






Antwort von Gifi:

Yes synonymous Moin,
this all sounds quite logical.
Yes, I use MP3's.
OK then I'll turn on my new project, the MP3's to WAV 48KHz. I am looking forward to the outcome.
Is (What I still do not quite understand, I've used for years, the MP3's and I had no artifacts. This indeed occurred only after all the new hard disks, power supply, graphics card up)
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von WeiZen:

Moin,
However, this is strange but perhaps synonymous explained.
In the beginning, not paid on it, always had a matching file.
Yes, it happens not always synonymous.
Too bad that you no longer have the Project, then you could be there
tested and shown to clarify.



Antwort von Gifi:

Moin Ulrich,
Yes, a pity, but after "1000" hours - so much happened, "I could easily see the project any more.
Am now in the new Project and am curious if and how many artifacts are there.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von Gifi:

Hallöchen,
I am once again to tell you that my 2nd Film (after large-scale deployment of Klaus approx) 34 minutes long, is finished without artifacts.
I hope it stays that way again and I finally can work without stress.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von Gast Lame:

Aw, crap. What we should concern ourselves now?
Well, I'll stop Winter Olympics-looking conclusion. :-)

Congratulations and further artefaktloses render.

Gruss after Lilienthal and Bremen.



Antwort von Gifi:

Thanks for the greetings by Lilienthal and Bremen.
Yes, I'm so sorry for you / you in the next moment not to be able to employ, (thank God it is indeed for this time watching TV "." And sometimes is synonymous indeed shown an interesting movie or not?) But we look at this, what is at the 3rd Project (I'm in the process) so everything is.
Gruß Gisela



Antwort von MATcologne:

Hello,

I sometimes synonymous such artifacts. It occurs not only when playing off, but synonymous with simple copying to another hard drive. When using external USB disks it occurs frequently. The artifacts are then at different distances on a single frame. Approx. 3 to 6 pieces, usually in pink or green.

It is truly desperate for, as I always have to control as soon as I moved avi files. Occasionally gehts synonymous with no interference.

Would be very pleased if someone could give me some advice.

For your information:

Calculator: P4 - 3GHz / 1GB RAM / 300 GB-SATA / Gigabyte motherboard with Intel 915G chipset

External hard disks: 400 / 300 / 250 GB - everything Seagte IDE with 8MB cache - in Mapower USB 2.0 Enclosure

OS: Win XP pro

Software: Error occurs regardless of the software used, as I said, it happens so synonymous with copying in Windows Explorer.

Regards
MAT

PS: I read here a contribution of a Cologne. Bin synonymous from Cologne .. if you do "want to see live," You're welcome to stop by ;-)



Antwort von WeiZen:

Moin,
And you're sure that it is in the file?
Then the artifacts s.der exact same spot would look at each. And where do you see it? Only in the MSP preview or synonymous with the Windows player?
Should you have a file that is smaller than 100MB, then you could upload it once or over www.rapidshare.de www.yousendit.com.
Then you could see me, obs actually present in the file is.



Antwort von StefanS:

Hi,

Although I am not of the past from Cologne, but the one who has geschriben "... in the northern district of Cologne", because of that I now turn s.Köln times daily.

Basically, I would look at me, am certainly in the next few days, a little short in time.

Can you "isolate artifacts", ie to assign specific individual pictures and frames and export them to save?

Contact your artifacts on a regular basis, like Gisela in a certain time pattern or time here and once there?

Have you tried it once with a Firewire enclosure instead of USB?

What could interfere with your data?

What happens, for example, when converting to MPEG for DVD?

etc. etc.

Greeting
Stefan






Antwort von MATcologne:

Hi Stefan, Hi Ulrich,

thanks for the willingness to help. I had not expected to be here so quickly someone answers.

to Ulrich:

- The artifacts are definitely in the file. You are looking at (no preference with which player or video program) always s.der same position (position of the image and position of the artifacts) in the Picture. When we look at other workstations to connect them synonymous s.der same place on>>> So they are in the file.

- Here you will find an example: http://www.belichtungszeit.de/avi_test.avi

to Stefan:

- The artifacts occur rather irregularly on

- No, do not have a FW-tried case. I have two other Calculator, Calculator, and although both have less power, then the problem does not.

- The rendering of AVI (original and still without Artefaktte) in mpg or any other format, there are no problems

- There could disturb any particular running down the transfer.

I now assume that it has to do with the mainboard. Example, if I, conversely, of the hard drive like an undamaged AVI file on the internal HD copy occurs the effect does not occur.

PS: Activation of the write cache on Windows synonymous nothing has changed.

Regards

MAT



Antwort von WeiZen:

Moin,
agrees with the artifacts I have seen. But how does it come to pass when you copy?



Antwort von Gast1:

I had s.and s.beim copy of the external firewire disk to internal disks the same problem. Have some time ago the cable replaced, since then no problems. But may be synonymous chance.



Antwort von WeiZen:

Oops that could be.
You should use shielded cables, not the cheap thin gray.
Applies synonymous for USB. for example, the cable with the clear plastic where you can see the wire mesh.



Antwort von Gast1:

I believe that you just have to try out the basal Cases include: Replace cable, other Programs, s.Firewire disable other devices, etc.
Also can be with the new (expensive) cable as yet, I always jump on the external disk capture (dropped frames), although the data rate is 6.5 times that required for DV.



Antwort von MATcologne:

Hello!

First I would like to thank you for your tips and the solution to my problem is not synonymous for me to keep :-)

I have tried in recent days with my external drives, all possible combinations.

1. The test with the Seagate tools has revealed that the USB HD 300 GB SMART reports errors.

2. With the USB HD 250GB (same as all other cable and Gehäsue) no artifacts will occur.

3. when copying to USB 400GB it comes back to the artifacts, the record is technically ok. I then tested directly s.IDE connection and yet there are no artifacts after copying.

I go to the time assumed that the chipset in the external HD enclosure not working properly with the plate, since the exchange of cables, etc., has made no workaround.

One thing is however not yet very clear ..... s.den there are other computers with this plate in the same enclosure no problems ...

Thank you again and you all have a nice weekend

MAT



Antwort von StefanS:

"MATcologne" wrote:

I go to the time assumed that the chipset in the external HD enclosure not working properly with the plate, since the exchange of cables, etc., has made no workaround.



Well, is interesting, that with the chipsets.

I once had an external Firewire enclosure, which was' ne real challenge, I am s.der synonymous ultimately failed.

With the thing it was possible files (copying errors), and her attention to. The error of Windows bezgl of lost data, I could safely ignore or click away, because everything was in order.

If I have a big file (s.ca. 3 to 4 MB) tried to run directly by double-clicking with the application, so it was no problem as jpeg files or large drawings.

But when I tried to open a media file (avi, mpeg, mp3) s.dieser scale is due to play and, froze the Calculator, and not only mine, but all the different configurations Calculator, operating systems and media players.

Were these Mediendateinen but smaller than the 3 to 4 MB, it Funzt fine.

What I mean by that?

It's just some things between the CPU and RAM, which can not be explained with logic.

Greeting
Stefan



Antwort von Locke80:

Hello Stefan,

Manufacturer of which was the hard drive? Have you tried the record straight once synonymous s.IDE port? An acquaintance of mine had the same problem as you with large media files - it was s.der Samsung HD, or on the "collusion" between the motherboard and HD.

Greeting
MAT



Antwort von StefanS:

Welcome Guest,

sounds a little "Hallo Taxi," "Hello pedestrian" :-)

The plates were IBM and Samsung.
At that time there was definitely not s.der plate. The housing behaved synonymous with other plates the same.
The plates s.IDE directly behaved correctly.
It was probably very likely s.dem chipset in this case, because the plates behave correctly in another case.

The chip was then a "GL711FW"

Greeting
Stefan