Frage von Addie:
Hi,
I'm new here and hope that I do not question the 100th Time point. But I have been here for 2-3 hours could be trimmed and the question for me does not really get answered. I am trying times, confusion in my head to describe ... ;-). Equal first: I am not a technology freak and come with all the abbreviations such as HD, SD, DV synonymous sometimes confused.
I have currently a 1CCD MiniDV Panasonic NV-GS 22, a DVD player and an old tube TV with 55cm diagonal. I play the movies with Ulead VideoStudio 9.0 via firewire to the PC (as an AVI, not MPEG-compressed), edit it there (mainly waste material cutting, a few transitions and text and a little music for accompaniment) and give them with maximum bitrates , ie only one hour s.liebsten material with 8000kbps on a regular DVD in order to view this s.Television. With the image quality synonymous as far as I'm quite satisfied. Important: I wanted to be absolutely MiniDV storage media, because the filing of the original material. On MiniDVD or SD card, no.
Now the Television and very old s.rumzuzicken starts, will probably at some point soon the spirit of abandon. I have plenty of information and wish in the near future, then a 50 inch HD Television purchase.
This naturally has an impact on my films - I'm with one of my DVDs to Saturn and I have gone on my wish this model can perform. The loss of quality when the image is, of course, clearly, if I still synonymous defamation had feared, and went even further.
Now the question is: what future for the Camera p.50 Inch HDTV?
The seller said that the quality s.Screen with a 3CCD chip camera probably still would be somewhat better. I had already with the NV-GS 320 geliebäugelt because I have the pictures from a friend had seen and the colors were much better, as is the sharpness. A Leica Dicomar can just make something ... . Now we came following considerations:
NV-GS 320 or a class higher / more expensive, NV-GS 500th The 500 must be in a good picture quality even better corner, the chips are synonymous something bigger. But the question is: does not the only noticeable s.den photos? If a difference between the two models with the aim of the DV images as described above to burn to DVD, s.einem 50 "Inch ever notice, because the 500 costs 300 EUR more good.
And one step in advance in general: it is a difference between 1CCD and with 3CCD Leica p.50 burned to DVD "HD plasma really remember? Has someone of you experience or the time tested?
Thus, the NV-GS 500 will cost a good 800-900 EUR. Coincidentally, I came rummaging in the forums on the word "HDV", which I have not heard and the new Canon HV-20, which is now synonymous not much more expensive. I am your HDV and technical discussions not all understood, as I said, am not a technician, but it gives me HD MiniDV Resolutionauf for a HD Plasma, right? That would be ideal and of course in principle exactly what I'm looking for. Even if it may always be questionable with the "real FULL HD" or 25 Voll-Bilder/interlaced is or not, etc. - that I understand it anyway on the Fast is not everything ;-) - I think I would but this Camera Picture the best of those models on the 50 "supply or?
That would be great, but I fear the whole still has a rat tail: can I still spend the whole DVD at the least possible loss? I've read that HDV capture to hard drive and can be synonymous cut - but then I would need some other new synonymous:
- Editing program? (Ulead VideoStudio 10.0 Plus think I can cut HD, right?)
-hire. faster PC? (AMD did with 2.2 GHz and 1 GB RAM, Geforce 6800 GT 256 MB) for rendering of DV to DVD burning, I needed included in 1 hour film about 3einhalb hours. Nachtrechnerei but I had previously synonymous with my old 1150 Mhz calculator.
- The biggest question for me is: which output medium? WMV-HD DVD? Or if, then to 8.5 GB DL DVD? Or, as one would have to say: really good for 50 "HD Plasma is only a
Antwort von usul:
For 50 "screen, I would definitely recommend HDV instead of DV.
BUT: On DVD, you can not burn HD resolution. The simplest
Option is to cut the video back on tape to export and play with the Camera.
There are of course synonymous other variants, but since you're not a technology freak describing is certainly the easiest first. If you have the data on the average computer is not delete, you can still later in other formats (be it HD-DVD, Blue-ray, WMV-HD, or what is synonymous).
At the intersection, you must reckon that it is nowhere near as smooth as running the DV editing. Because it's required some patience ...
You can synonymous an HDV camera and buy a DV OUTPUT (always in HDV recording in DV record does not make sense). The camera then turns to higher internal HD Resolutionum Picture and there is like a normal DV camera from.
Advantage: Everything works as before
Disadvantage: Everything works as before - that is synonymous to the image quality will not change significantly
I hope this has now is not too confusing ...
Antwort von Glottis:
the biggest problem in your case there is still little
dvd player, the HDV material (hd wmv/m2t / ect.) can play
with the blue ray is just s.anlaufen,
otherwise we should sometimes be a HDV cam guess ...
between a GS320 and gs500 on your tv should be little difference
to be seen.
gruß cj
Antwort von Axel:
Disadvantage: Everything works as before - that is synonymous to the image quality will not change significantly ... But! Until it is affordable and sophisticated HD player, it is SD-DVD is a good alternative. The quality is just as good as SD can also be (assuming that you have good photos!). With SD-Cams you especially for 16:9 clearly loss of quality.
Antwort von usul:
The quality is just as good as SD can also be (assuming that you have good photos!). With SD-Cams you especially for 16:9 clearly loss of quality. True 16:9 would be an additional argument for HDV.
However, I find the export to tape and playback via Camera for personal films that are only occasionally looks very useful. Sure would
I do not do so every day.
Antwort von wolfgang:
And if one wants to play but high resolution, and not out of the Camera wants to make - then you do have a SC200, a 600 or synonymous Kiss a TViX-HD. This works blendent, synonymous with no BluRay or HD-DVD.
Antwort von Glottis:
There are of course synonymous other variants, but since you're not a technology freak describing is certainly the easiest first. Okay, now I will know ;-) What would it work? Am not a freak, but learn!
Why can you really not on DVD HD-resolution burn? Fits the simple format of her or not, the DVD player behind nothing more?
But! Until it is affordable and sophisticated HD player, it is SD-DVD is a good alternative. THE synonymous nor I wanted to ask: What is SD-DVD?
Otherwise I think the idea is not bad: The material secure and possibly later times, when with the BluRay or HD-DVD times has become clearer, according to high resolution output. Or. I could but synonymous to HDV recording tapes and the corresponding archived so long, huh? If my little son (and subsequent children ;-)) now have high-resolution HDV can record and later edit really well spent, it would be okay. But if I now "bad" (in thick Anfühungszeichen!) DV recordings of him doing - he is not content to remain small, so that I sometime with a completely new system could make up. Is now an exaggeration, but since I run it a little time away.
This would have the advantage, I would now have a camera, which already can and I would not be in 3 years to buy again. Because if I now have a nv-GS320 buy back with the loss and sell in 3 years a new HDV camera, then it is always twice issued Money. I prefer to do because once nails with heads and then have peace. So I was a Nikon F90X for 2000 Mark purchased and synonymous for 10 years still enjoy it my bright (mag prefer analog). Okay, now everything is a bit short, but still.
Or do you, that HD camcorder in the next 2-3 years is already so cheap?
between a GS320 and gs500 should be on your tv hardly a difference to be seen. And between 1CCD and 3CCD? Probably not really synonymous, right?
Thanks for your support times, echt super!
Antwort von Glottis:
And if one wants to play but high resolution, and not out of the Camera wants to make - then you do have a SC200, a 600 or synonymous Kiss a TViX-HD. This works blendent, synonymous with no BluRay or HD-DVD. hi wolfgang,
why there are so few tat hd (v) alternative player
and why was the xoro8500 taken from the program?
gruß cj
Antwort von usul:
There are of course synonymous other variants, but since you're not a technology freak describing is certainly the easiest first.
Okay, now I will know ;-) What would it work? Am not a freak, but learn! The DVD player can be called a variety of HD formats to play.
Then there are various streaming player (video is on the computer and will be fetched over the network) and hard disk player (basically an external hard disk for the PC, but still has video outputs).
Another variant is Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3
Video editing program to export as WMV to DVD and burn, for example, with the XBox 360 very easily (current software release).
So there are very many possibilities. However, it is questionable which of them is synonymous in 10 years still can view it. There are standard things like HD-DVD or BlueRay already future-proof, although synonymous here is still unclear which of the systems it will be long term.
That explains synonymous with the question of why there are so few HD players there: There are virtually no single standard. Therefore the user must know exactly which format they should use each. The standard format for HD video at the moment there is not halt. Therefore you will not synonymous create a video output, which guarantees every player. And None of the large manufacturer is interested in equipment to produce the mass of the buyer does not understand.
Antwort von Glottis:
hmm,
if it is technically not a problem player
with playing opportunities wmv/m2t/h.264 hd etc.
establish how come there after 1.5 years of hd (t) v
no more than 3-4 devices when out?
each with its HDV cam and an HD ready tv is because
a potential customer!
Now many players play so synonymous divx / xvid / wmv from
xvid synonymous although relatively new here and the customer relation
not so obvious is.
gruß cj
Antwort von Eva Maier:
With the production of HD-DVD or Blu Ray is slower, because the blue laser is not in sufficient quantity voprhanden are.
Until the questioners, however, his first film in HD in the box, there determines what. ASlso I believe synonymous HDV
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Antwort von Addie:
Until the questioners, however, his first film in HD in the box, there determines what. So I think HDV synonymous Yes fine thanks! ;-))))
Maybe a little info along. I'm just at a dealer in Cologne and had been told him of my mind game. He said very quickly: at my TV should I really plans to use HDV. From HD to MiniDVD or SD-Card, he held nothing, although the new Panasonic, which is now on SD-Card actually would manage quite well. For further shoptalk were we not, because he, first, the camera had not yet there and then quickly close to synonymous. Be notified of it, if it is there.
I then asked just after the output medium that DVD and not or not so ready to go. For the first issue he cited only playback of the camera itself, as I said, I must once again discuss with him when the camera is there. He said synonymous: MiniDV, with no preference whatever good optics, is MUCH worse on 50 "HDTV than HDV.
So I always tend to HDV. When I record HDV, HDV on hard drive and edit on games, I can then synonymous because the finished project back again to play for the Camera? Quasi on DV - In? Or is it synonymous already compressed, inferior quality?
Otherwise, I found the note in the forum well here:
Better now of course is the workflow, where you with a HDV-camera filming the material as HDV HDV http://www.slashcam.de/multi/Glossar/. Html on plays, then cuts high - and only at the end of the conversion to SD makes. Why? Since then the Project, both high resolution, as synonymous with SD has available. " What I am here but again do not understand: what is called "SD"?
Antwort von Eva Maier:
In other words, you can expect that Blu Ray and the cohorts are super Christmas and until then you'll get your movie in the box already have.
Do you like better?
SD = probably DVausgabe
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Antwort von Addie:
Hi Eva,
been okay, it was just fun.
SD = probably DVausgabe
I've finally found: "Standard Definition DVD - the good old DVD, as we now have.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
Almost taken for DVD only need to make, you can capture in-72ox576
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Antwort von Addie:
Almost taken for DVD only need to make, you can capture in-72ox576
/ (E Yes, I meant, as I currently create (or "normal" DV out).
Antwort von znieh:
Hi Addie,
my experience after the acquisition of a 37 inch plasma:
Worst Quality: DVD of MiniDV in 4:3, 4:3 DV in prickelnd not synonymous.
Generally, I see now with our own carefully encoded DVDs Argernisse.
Remedy: DV Camera, which in true 16:9 recording. Play on the plasma acceptable, much better than these products of 16:9 DVDs.
Optimum: HDV Camera, Plasma s.den directly connected.
HD-DVDs which produce worthwhile yet. Man filming so to do, submit to the archive and will someday HD / BlueRay burner and player affordable and can especially Burnt play itself - and then comes joy.
If you do not have Cam, the price is not so hot, then buy an HDV cam, so can still synonymous for the first DV capture and in which conventional (SD) DVDs and burn the rest of the future left.
The GS 500 is too expensive in relation to the HDVs of Sonyand Canon.
Otherwise, the GS 320, as it has 16:9 Facilities (synonymous display) when the price plays a role ...
MfG
Heinz znieh =
PS: SD = standard definition or security
Antwort von usul:
So I always tend to HDV. When I record HDV, HDV on hard drive and edit on games, I can then synonymous because the finished project back again to play for the Camera? Quasi on DV - In? Or is it synonymous already compressed, inferior quality? Yes, the du, the data can be compressed MPEG-2 and just as written on the tape as a "normal" HDV recording.
As DV - In just stop HDV - In.
Antwort von robbs:
And if one wants to play but high resolution, and not out of the Camera wants to make - then you do have a SC200, a 600 or synonymous Kiss a TViX-HD. This works blendent, synonymous with no BluRay or HD-DVD.
hi wolfgang,
why there are so few tat hd (v) alternative player
and why was the xoro8500 taken from the program?
gruß cj That you must ask Xoro, understood hats None, which is surrounded with the employed. The players were not ideal, but they were not absolutely synonymous bad. I played easily DivX HD, WMV-HD or HD-synonymous native m2t material.
That explains synonymous with the question of why there are so few HD players there: There are virtually no single standard.
Either take wmv-HD - but this has the disadvantage of very long Encodierzeiten, and that this material is only progressive in most NLEs can be spent, or better, you take DivX HD - better quality, can remain interlaced, calculated faster. But a de-facto standard is HD m2t in HDV2 parameters - which all NLEs praktsich can spend, and some Sigma chips, the material can easily and smooth play (about the TViX-HD or Xoro HSD 8500). And for the fans HDV1 stop HDV1 parameters.
Before the question comes:
HDV2 = 1440x1080 in 16:9, 25 Mbps, UFF, synonymous as 1080 50i denotes
HDV1 in 1280x720 = 16:9, 18.3 Mbps, Progressive, synonymous than 720 denotes 25p (or more recently, synonymous than 720 50p available, of the JVC HD200er series).
Better now of course is the workflow, where you with a HDV-camera filming the material as HDV HDV http://www.slashcam.de/multi/Glossar/. Html on plays, then cuts high - and only at the end of the conversion to SD makes. Why? Since then the Project, both high resolution, as synonymous with SD has available. "
What I am here but again do not understand: what is called "SD"? Sorry, I had written this text, I of course SD as "standard definition" meant-neither security nor secret police, in contrast to HD for high definition. SD-DVD is essentially a conventional DVD, on a 720x576 mpeg2 - that is standard in PAL resolution - will be burned.
And yes - of course it is on a conventional DVD disc synonymous material as HDV m2t file burn. By Xoro player so I get to the times of 22 minutes. On a dual layer disc to have a maximum of 40 minutes. For my films usually enough - if I want more, I lower the data rate of the mpeg stream from, and burn a program stream instead of a transport stream. Emergency so relaxed fit 50 minutes on a dual layer disc. Really cares more then you can get DivX HD synonymous take.
Such blanks with m2t HD material I create now routinely think of HD shooting. Longer pieces can be perfect with the little tool of elcutty suitable for the 4.3 GB blanks divide - and later, together again, if you want:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=2674
He said synonymous: MiniDV, with no preference whatever good optics, is MUCH worse on 50 "HDTV than HDV.
Just as it is. And so the fans of the HD movie consumers are bigger and bigger - now + HDV AVCHD high definition consumer formats as both counted.
Antwort von Addie:
Hello everyone,
> If you still do not have Cam, the price is not so hot,
> Then buy a HDV-Cam, it at first so synonymous
> In which DV capture and conventional
> (SD) DVDs and burn the rest of the future left.
> The GS 500 is too expensive in relation to the HDVs of
> Sonyand Canon.
Yes, that was my idea synonymous. From due in a few years already buy a new camera ...
> Yes, the du, the data can be MPEG-2 compressed
> And just as written on the tape as a "normal"
> HDV recording. As DV - In just stop HDV - In.
Ah, great, thanks. I had previously Ulead VideoStudio 9.0. But video studio 10plus can only deal with HDV - you know, whether the HDV - In order to live in?
> But a de-facto standard is HD m2t in HDV2 parameters --
> To the praktsich can spend all NLEs
Uh - what is NLE? And this m2t HD is a HD video format? What is the difference to HD WMV? Is it like AVI and MOV only "high"? Or is one better quality?
> If I want more, I lower the data rate of the mpeg stream from
> And burn a program stream instead of a transport stream.
Okay, here's for me to bottled? What does that mean exactly (there's' s link to me the detail?)? Can I use this in a program under the output Opionen settings? I understand it correctly, this high resolution 40 minutes DVDs can not be a standard DVD player, but just with one of the above devices, right? The same goes for HD DivX?
For me to hold the question of the cutting program - s.Ulead Video Studio, I have been accustomed to 7.0 and would like to simply upgrade 10plus, keeps costs auchnoch limited and so far I was satisfied with the software. What would be an alternative in it?
> HD-DVDs which produce worthwhile yet.
> Man filming so to do, submit to the archive and
> Someday be HD / BlueRay burner and
> Player affordable and can especially themselves
> Burnt play - and then comes joy.
So my plan was synonymous ;-).
Otherwise, the output again: Have a look at miser geguckt - Toshiba HD-DVD player, there's already at least for under 400 EUR. Only I have no great rush to HD-DVD Burners for the PC found - that is synonymous but still more expensive than the player. So wait.
BluRay player, however, tend to move around EUR 800-1000 - but why? Because BluRay is better? Or is that pure company policy?
Antwort von znieh:
Hello,
the cheapest BlueRay player is the Playstation 3 for 599, --.
The last Videaktiv Digital has not managed to an HD-DVD that are of a player could be.
The current prices are used to cover the product and investments are rather artificial, will fall. For my first DVD-Burners in the PC I've synonymous times 330, - Euro paid to learn. I learned to wait.
Problem is there is more that there are two HD systems are not abschaubar and is what will prevail.
So wait ...
MfG
Heinz znieh =
Antwort von Eva Maier:
With the right programs, it would have possibly been active video hingebracht!
Brenner prices of around 700 euros or zui blanks 10-15 are of course somewhat happig because Rapsody & Co is a real alternative.
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Antwort von wolfgang:
NLE is simply another name for the current editing programs.
m2t is a term for a mpeg2 transport stream - that is the format in which today's HDV camcorders record. And it is precisely the material can be cut spending programs in order to cut the film back to back via firewire tape can play. One way that is more and more is unnecessary.
HD-DVD player can still play no 50i - since some time is a firmware update announced to not only play it 60i. At least I have not heard yet that this was already there - but it has been announced for some time.
VS10 + is available with the Service Package 1 now synonymous m2t import materials, but converts it into mpeg2 program streams to. It lasts. In addition, this small NLE on the ability to proxy for the preview files to create some DV proxies. Thus does the real-time preview synonymous well on older systems - and for the final rendering will be the original material.
Blöd is that the Videodatein then in the worst case 3x s.PC subject: as a m2t file as mpeg2-PS-file, and as a proxy file. What is not particularly well in the current versions of VS10 + should work, the real-time preview for native editing (as mpeg2 PS) - at least on my old PC jerky then the rather beautiful.
A tutorial, but in Vegas, how you can reduce the data rate to the playback duration to increase, I have created here:
http://videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=3021
Antwort von Addie:
Thank you for your patient explanations!
I noticed this: the more of you I experienced s.fachlich get answers, the more new questions to do. So nice that you received it!
Now I just have to find out what with the 60i or 50i is not yet available, is exactly what seems to be better. This is the same with 1080i and 1080p, of which I am somewhere in connection with HDV have read ... :-(? At the beginning of the first is unimportant, if one starts with the new Topics to employ. But with time, but you just want to know more.
But perhaps I find that here in the lexicon synonymous ...?
