Frage von hubse:
Hi,
I was yesterday at a music store and got me on that occasion because of the same recording equipment can be synonymous with advice on camcorder.
Here in the forum seem BeachTek many products to buy for DSLRs and so on.
If I convert the sound in the BeachTek leave - and then another walk in the Camera leave - is not determined then the better. Also, the XLR cable would not "really" be an improvement, because there is always nor the transfer of BeachTek to the DSLR / to camcorder via mini jack.
Would be better not, then the sound all the same "away" to be incorporated, eg with NEM Tescam DR 100 or a Zoom H4 (and slaps it in front of every recording in the hands, so cutting back can synchronize mans)?
NEN for better sound with this greater effort would be worth cutting the shoot and genuine.
I have an SD707 s.meiner Beyerdynamic MCE 72, a Rode NT3, directional microphone is missing - but especially the Beyerdynamic s.Camcorders rushes, and according to the people from thomann which is by a BeachTek not much better as well for the noise of the camcorder responsible.
Greetings,
Martin
Antwort von toxitobi:
How do you expect of your camcorder when replacing the microphone s.der degradation in sound quality may be to blame. The time now makes no sense.
Beachtek had previously installed amplifier as Juicedlink worse with more noise, according to some tests, whether the 100% were independent and whether the still so I can not say.
By NTG2 the Juicedlink s.die Hv40 you get acceptable sound. Of course, the Recording synonymous beeen at Tascam DR100 or zoom H4n1 ne solution:
Better audio format without compression in the camera.
Also because you then can take time synonymous only to the sound dubbing.
For a person to the levels and shoot, but it is pleasant to the adapter profiting faster operational, especially since the knobs are s.Juicedlink really pleasant. Much better than zuwurschteln by any menus or with the zoom buttons zuregeln.
So if I had someone who only makes sound is the version with the external recording device better. Otherwise, I prefer the levels above the scroll wheel and the more direct interface via adapter s.der Camera.
Greeting Toxitobi
Antwort von rush:
Evenin,
so I had time s.meiner Panasonic NV-GS400 long time a small Beachtek simple in use ... .
The advantage is so obvious ... then you get the sound right on the camera and do not need anything more in sync interface ...
For dramatic things that's for sure okay ... but if I'm s.drehen all day and hundreds of clips / files, I do not want everything to sync ...
I'm so dynamic microphones as synonymous radio links operate on the part. Often synonymous nor the Rode Videomic .. of Minikklinke adapted to XLR;) So I decided to get directly synonymous disqualify the Mini Mixer ... On the Kmaeradisplay of camcorders one can often synonymous nor the audio levels and separately show has such a wonderful visual display of the incoming level - but may turn hardware s.dem Mini Mixer ...
And if you ask me, the part is no noise added.
If you have someone of the sound recording separately the fine is for sure - if you are alone is such a mixer for the camera but very useful.
Antwort von hubse:
Hi,
the seller said that to remain a "certain" noise is, no preference was for an expensive device (with phantom power) is made between micro and camcorder - because the camcorder is not good enough.
If I remember right, then the seller said, "that the" Audio Department "in consumer cameras is simply not good enough -. And why you should rather use a Tascam, etc., synonymous when work makes a BeachTec (or similar) makes no, sense because the audio department of the camcorder is not made any better - and this audio department, not a Switched intervening BeachTec, determines the quality.
If "much" money paid for a micro, it did not make sense to chase the quality of a Beachtek - which changes the signal -. So then it ends up in LineIn the camcorder and digital conversion is there again "
If that was a wrong information, then please contact me, for the info, I got in the business surprised me, because I assume that many of the DSLR filmmaker not only pay attention to the depth of field but synonymous to the sound - because I read somewhere here that viewers forgive a bad picture rather than bad sound ...
Greetings,
Martin
Antwort von Frank B.:
The recording on an external device requires amateur and greater discipline in the management scene. One has to mark each new scene again and sync in post production. Start and stop of the units are always different. You do as you say, every time a clearly identifiable audio sync pulse to be able to bring the scenes together and then assign. This is hardly possible for some shooting situations.
Thus, for some purposes, an external microphone or s.Camcorders DSLR advantageous. With an XLR adapter like Beachtek or similar makes it a great choice s.Mikrofonen and long cable lengths. Sure, these external devices are often synonymous only with mini-jack in the respective recording devices, as they have only those input, but these are very short signal paths and thus less prone to glitches than a several-meter-long cabinet design. With an XLR attachment can be many meters of cable length and run symmetrically thus gets a clean signal to the recording device. These sets have their meaning when it comes to long cable runs.
In many cases synonymous a good external microphone ranges on the accessory shoe with a short symmetrical line in the micro-jack of the recorder. I created with my camera-equipment and accessories all these possibilities.
Antwort von rush:
Hi,
the seller said that to remain a "certain" noise is, no preference was for an expensive device (with phantom power) is made between micro and camcorder - because the camcorder is not good enough.
Well logical - if a destination Microphone of the already made more rushes than another will not be synonymous better ... no preference how good the preamp.
The passive devices ala Beachtek strengthen yes, but not synonymous ... convert them only as the signals. And the circuits are not very expensive ... So there may be synonymous to my knowledge does not deteriorate much:)
As I said - I then s.der tape-based NV-GS400 had great sound in Verbdinung with such a mini-mixer, as there were never any problems.
There are of course synonymous devices provide the phantom power ... how to change the signal I can not say.
Antwort von tommyb:
As synonymous, only the "juice" modulated on the line. Worse or better, the sound is not there.
Antwort von toxitobi:
Of course, such devices are like Beachtek or Juicedlink equipped with preamps, preamp and change something as soon as s.Sound NEN controller is tuned and you can engage in the volume, it comes to the quality.
Greeting Toxitobi
Antwort von edewolf:
Are you sure there are preamps in it. Have you or anyone else as even pure watched. I think there are only two 1:1 transformer, resistors, switches, XLR, TRS, RCA jacks and pots in there. I got the thing built on spec so at least .... even goes. Cost 35 ¬. What is really inside? Do I upgrade to?
Hajo
Antwort von Frank B.:
If you want to go with the pre sure, here's a little tip, I have given many times on related topics:
http://www.artproaudio.com/products.asp?type=90&cat=13&id=132
A fine part and much less expensive than such a Beachtek.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Also cool to http://www.amazona.de/index.php?page=26&file=2&article_id=780 NEN laptop with FW
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von Frank B.:
@ B. DeKid
But this is something completely different. The part of me is indeed linked synonymous serve as a PC interface via USB, but work by 9 volt battery operation and the possibility of synonymous without a PC for use as a camcorder s.einem XLR interface compatible. Unfortunately, he has no threads to screw him in the camera. There must be some tinkering. With a little skill, you can possibly fit it on a Rick.
Antwort von edewolf:
Good suggestions but again my question:
What is in it in the passive Beachtek? Please a user views, with the surgical instruments to open his BeachtekTeil and perform a scan! I'm really curious if my measure on spec-built machine with the original, which I think is totally overpriced, can.
Antwort von toxitobi:
So Juiced link is with its active preamps to ...
http://www.juicedlink.com/audio-preamps-mixers-etc-c-66/jl-cx231
I often turn to the part and I think that would never write because dadrauf preamps in it, if that was not true.
