Frage von Timou:
Hello everybody!
I've never really busy with filming, I have never had a video camera.
Now I want to but as for my final high school (high school work in Switzerland) on the basis of their own shots cut together a film, namely on the issue of noise.
I will quite a few shots of ex-s.Flughafen and approaches and on the Hasudächern filming, and I with about half a year time.
In short: I'm looking for an affordable (max. 300 ¬) camcorder, the fast-moving objects (aircraft) over long distance (> 1 km) in eingermassen good quality.
I already have some test report in this price segment be trimmed, but I am undecided whether I think such a camcorder is fairly synonymous ideas. Finally, I have never tried myself.
Therefore now my first question is whether I with a device so far come. While the quality is not like in a movie, but it is precisely the aircraft and especially the sound clearly.
Then I would like specific camera model suggestions, as I have already made a few considerations: PAL, 3CCD, miniDV / DVD, good sound recording, or input for Microphone, great zoom, long term.
Sorry for the long post, I want the fact that you do in my situation can help better:).
Thanks in advance!
Regards, Timo
Antwort von siematic:
1 n.Entfernung and then s.besten super close right?
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Used SonyDCR series on EBAY score ..... ok quality front, a telephoto lens Adappter history dran ... sound microfinance can be readily connected via jack .....
That would be mal ne idea on my part .... everything else is too expensive .....
(PS There are binoculars with more than 300 euros ;-) So nix Close Up nem km from ;-))))
Antwort von Dr. Walter Gesierich:
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Antwort von Bernd E.:
... fast-moving objects (aircraft) over long distance (> 1 km) in eingermassen good quality ... This criterion should any camcorder, unless you consider two things:
1. On such a large distance to move an airplane that during take-off or landing in any event not a cruising speed of flies in relation to the camera position not too fast. This pace is not a camcorder before insoluble problems. A recording of an ordinary tripod, I set out ahead of time.
2. If you want to aircraft noise, then probably from the perspective of someone who is about one kilometer from the airport resides. In this case, it is okay if the aircraft is so small in the film to see how they are synonymous as the eye without a telephoto lens at this distance perception (also creates any camcorder). Is it to you but impressive shots of planes, then I would simply much closer approach. That should be at every major airport easily feasible.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von seedee701:
Thank you for your answers.
To 1km Distance: This is what I naturally do not "Close Up", you should be the only plane on the distance in the sky / you can see, the way of how the eye (such as E. Bernd in item 2 has recognized).
To Zoom: Here I thought s.Flughafen shots when I behind the fence in the landing a bit behind can zoom ... These are synonymous then about 500 meters, but it should simply be a bit enlarged.
As an example:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8XLvVw21oe4 If such a recording with a 300 ¬ Camcorders realistic? Or was this something like a Canon XM2 used?
@ B. DeKid: Thanks for the tip.
@ Walter Gesierich: Good idea with the resale ... But is this really needed a professional camera? See the example above, more will I actually do not s.Qualität offer.
Hope to other helpful contributions,
MfG
Timo
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Is a Recording with a 300 ¬ Camcorders realistic? ... With such devices, I have no experience, but this situation should never host brand camcorder (Canon, Panasonic, Sony, JVC possibly synonymous) problems.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von PowerMac:
I fear that your task with any camera is to be executed. Synonymous, but I fear that you are far too many planes will be filming. Films in three planes Ladeanflug and it is enough. More interesting are interviews of residents, or a 3D simulation, in which the sound waves in the approach or be animated at the start - and to meet the residents s.Boden. Discuss various solutions proposed for airplane noise. It's best with animations. Pictures of planes are really uninteresting.
Antwort von Timou:
Bernd E. @: Thank you, I really wanted to know and am now reassured:)
Will now have a few models in this price range compare.
@ PowerMac: Hey thanks for your tips and ideas! Actually, I had just prior to the issue of aircraft noise at a neutral level, dramatic show. One should recognize the problem (houses, which are shaded from the aircraft) and the other, the beauty and fascination of airplanes.
But your ideas with the 3D simulation and animation to speak to me, my concept will probably change a bit;)
Antwort von darg:
Plane with the cost not only with Camera and Micro, but times do you think about a very good with good Tripod Fluid Head.
When what you want to rotate (long zoom and fast objects!), You need to keep quiet Picture and far because you zoom in there are problems you will have the picture to keep quiet and then synonymous nor the pilots to follow. Depending on your camera because you can still times with up to 1000 Euros and upwards reckon (Used for).
Gruss
Axel, San Jose
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... With the things you want to turn ... you can still times with up to 1000 Euros and upwards reckon (for Used !)... I'm synonymous trailer full of equipment and especially a heavy tripod, but still: As a high school student, for his skilled work some landing aircraft with a beginner would like to turn your camcorder, you need not be a Sachtler ENG tripod. Since the do's synonymous Slashcam standard tripod Tip "Velbon DV7000.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von seedee701:
Thank you, the model I remember once, but it is already synonymous ultimate limit before ... I am still with us at school to find out what the s.Stativen have.
Now once again for Camera: Until now, the Panasonic NV-GS80 my favorite, but has no microphone jack (there is the ever in this price class?). So I have to hope that the engine still sounds reasonably mitbekommt.
What is it with rain from? Tolerate this camcorder a few drops, or it looks so bad synonymous? Until now I have just read that the Panasonic SDR-S10 is rain-resistant ...
Antwort von camworks:
as wärs times with borrow? at least the good Sachtler tripod gibts so at a price that is a not the carotid artery abschnürt.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Zip Lock bags, plus a tape of "rain"
Otherwise diver / sports body of the Sony handheld series
Antwort von Thore Rehbach:
as wärs times with borrow? at least the good Sachtler tripod gibts so at a price that is a not the carotid artery abschnürt. Synonymous, I think the whole time while reading. He is, after all, not half a year to go hunting aircraft. 1 to 2 days ranging from loose (if the weather permitting:)). It should be superior to previously hold, from which angle you want on film. Since helps synonymous receives the clippers for a few items to sift through and maybe walking paths to explore the surroundings so that you know.
In any case you can Semipro cameras synonymous borrow quite favorable, the loss is likely to with the resale of the balance and you have less stress.
PS: The video looks quite a bit of lame. A few cuts and changing perspectives can have a totally different drama lend. Unless you want to record only synonymous but then you have a few cuts here and there refreshing.
Antwort von Dr. Walter Gesierich:
I've never really busy with filming, I have never had a video camera.
Now I want to but as for my final high school (high school work in Switzerland) on the basis of their own shots cut together a film, namely on the issue of noise.
Hello again, I have all my papers again and thought S.2 score'm stuck: We all do not know exactly what the goal or the film is because it is so for a school-work is thought. The Swiss are least among us, and do not know what level you have to deliver there. Would be really interesting because the requirements. Will you show that you can film, as one of the news on television, or is it a hard task to deal with you any topic that good, you'll get ne 1, or you're a Ehrgeizling, and do with modern media (which are not just everyone in the class dominated) a message transport.
Possibly. yes a little bit of everything.
Then I have the landing approach to Kloten views that you as an example in the link you offered. If you, like us, already had some s.Erfahrung collected with the shooting, then you will find there s.dem shown much suspend:
1. Especially bad is always the horizontal jerky swing. Very poor tripod head (not a fluid head) and probably inexperienced pans.
2. The film location. Especially the touchdown of the airplane is an audience for the exciting moment. Exactly the disappears behind the trees.
3. Such a landing is long. Several are even longer. If it were not for a brilliant comment drunterliegt (Maturamäßig. ..) then the thing is boring. In addition, of course, a compilation of different camera positions purely to life (as has been suggested a), but not always, because you do not lay on the runway may be ...
My suggestion: Look, if it worked for you in the vicinity of a video club there. I'm in one, the city has only 20,000 inhabitants in size, will have about 40 members, some are so good that our material is in the regional television.
There are sure what is, for it is an honor to teach you to help. The cameras often have saugut for your case and the necessary synonymous Fluid Tripods, which is so much like a middle-cost camera can.
As you get not only get an excellent bottle of wine technical material, but even a free Introduction to good camera work.
Have you already thought about made the cut? Here, the movie is really for high school work. So a few tips from an experienced filmmaker not hurt.
So we press for the ones you like the thumb ...
Antwort von Timou:
Thank you both for your detailed posts and thoughts on my work!
I am in this whole thing synonymous somewhat inconclusive, the idea is to me only a few days ago entsprugen. Although I have already thought about much, such as locations, script, procedure, etc., but to me regarding the topic to be sure I have this week I have serious thoughts about the concept make.
As you say, Walter Gesierich, I will actually be a problem based approach of modern media and deliver a message (Besides the whole issue of aircraft noise and approaches should also synonymous to beauty and art, and the dream of flying that are enabling in the holiday to fly, etc.), but I'm also undecided whether this is in my power to do.
For example, Video: I actually wanted to order only by the picture quality issues. Regarding editing, perspective, diversity, etc. This example is nothing with my project to do;). But thank you in advance for the tips, I should with this work will actually begin, I will be here on the film provides information skills.
Now, thanks to you I Leihangeboten sought after and has been found:
http://kulturbuero.ch/index.php?id=zh, video I think this a fair offer and I can perceive is my financial possibilities, more than 2 weeks, I need the camera really is not (in addition to these Topkameras there's even a Sachtler Tripod to borrow!). And it's in my vicinity:)
Now are my options that I had never previously have considered, so do I sign up again if I have more detailed thoughts on my work have done!
Regards,
Timo
Antwort von Dr. Walter Gesierich:
Congratulations on your progress.
That is indeed a noble hire, which you as you near. Recommendation: Beginners as CANON XM2 take the bottom of the list, which is easier to use, makes synonymous in automatic mode, excellent pictures and has good sound. Moreover, the postprocessing of standard PAL cameras much easier as the HD cameras.
Only courage.
