Frage von angelsson:
Hi folks,
I'm currently a bit in a conflict of conscience.
I want me a cam up, because I have ideas for videos are not always of the hardware of the FH, s.der I study, will depend on (times like this except that the old FH SonyPC100 not Cam is the coolest;)).
During the study, I have thus been able to gather some experience. So I as a three video podcast and a short film which will be rotated .. I think I times the days in the relevant sub-forum imagine.
Substance:
As the student nunmal usual synonymous my budget is rather limited. Very limited.
Although I have ¬ 500 is available, but these will not be complete for the Cam issue (one which has a fridge filled for himself).
So 350 ¬ should not be exceeded if possible, of course I would prefer if there would be less.
Features that are important to me would be:
- Possibility to record 16:9
- Micro input is an absolute Pros
- Of course firewire output (s.besten directly s.der Camera, I have no desire even with a docking station to handle)
Otherwise, of course, I want simply the best possible picture for my money.
The size question is not for me: miniDV what else I did not come into the house. ;)
Application is to find the Rotate Cam of short, spontaneous ideas, documentation of ÓÄ trips and as a Webcam. ^ ^
I got me a little bit here in the forum and the Internet in general and in this around-the lowest-price segment seems nothing more than Panasonic Cams to go.
Have look at the different models and am now very uncertain.
The GS230 is really perfect (3CCD, micro input, 16:9) but unfortunately the cost min. 390 ¬. : (
Also I do not understand why a camera that takes 16:9 has a 4:3 display. :>
The nächstgünstigere would GS80 (1CCD, no micro-input, 16:9). With this cam, I would, for example the lack of micro-entrance live with if the picture would be slightly worse than the GS230, as they just over 100 ¬ cheaper.
Ideally perhaps the predecessor of the 230 with the same features just cheaper. Is there perhaps something?
Or in this price segment, but also other good cameras?
Hope you enjoyed it up to this point managed extent (but somewhat long become the text). :)
Hope you can send me something to help.
gruß, rob
Antwort von jansi:
It would be worthwhile in my opinion, even if you wait 1-2 months for you then buy the GS230.
Or a used synonymous?
Antwort von angelsson:
It would be worthwhile in my opinion, even if you wait 1-2 months for you then buy the GS230.
Or a used synonymous? Thank you for the quick reply.
The thing is that I do not really earn money. The money will thus tend not to anymore. : /
A discarded natürich synonymous would go on eBay ... but I find no example gs230.
Antwort von jansi:
The deeper you go, the worse the quality.
Perhaps you help your parents yes ...
The GS230 would represent already score in almost all your wishes.
Antwort von angelsson:
The deeper you go, the worse the quality.
Perhaps you help your parents yes ...
The GS230 would represent already score in almost all your wishes. Hmm, yes that would be it. : /
The question is, however, how much worse is the quality? Is it for ~ 300 ¬ no 'good' camera?
Antwort von jansi:
Will get more difficult because
16:9 chip
Micro input
miniDV
...
that's because there are other 1Chiper, you must look at the respective manufacturers gucken.
Antwort von Axel Karrer:
The GS230 has only USB2.0 but no Firewire!
Antwort von Bernd E.:
The GS230 has only USB2.0 but no Firewire! That would be sad if it would agree! But fortunately, it has of course a Firewire output. Those who do not believe, only on the Panasonic website look.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von angelsson:
The GS230 has only USB2.0 but no Firewire! According to the official page "DV Output (IEEE1394/iLink) Yes
Have now fixed nachgeschaut and have the fewest course, a microphone port. That seems to be the criterion to be fulfilled s.schwierigsten to be. : /
The Canon MV890 is the only one 1CCD Camera Mic-in. (it is at least the only one that I found)
With digital cameras, Canon, I am an absolute fan of camcorders, I am not so sure. Did not really have much of the good Consumercams heard of Canon.
Antwort von joerg-emil:
... what about it with a used Panasonic NV-DX100, 3CCD, which I use myself and with her had been very much rotated. True 16:9 you in your price category not found, and black bars synonymous kannste you tinker in the post (the camera has a mode for synonymous). I have the camera along with my Canon XM1 for the recording of various choral concerts and plays are used. The image quality is synonymous with difficult lighting conditions very well and is very little of the XM1. Small downside is that you for the connection of Headphones Micro and the included adapter that screws in the camera have (Tripod is still possible). This makes the camera a little larger. Furthermore, the battery is quite small (larger is not physically possible due ).... But for 90 minutes, one battery ... I have the Cam two years ago at Ebay auction for EUR 350, now think their price should be decreased. ..
current listings on eBay:
Article 230173803700, 260159535580
Antwort von Markus73:
The question is, however, how much worse is the quality? Is it for ~ 300 ¬ no 'good' camera? I do not think so. The quality is in any case so that you can really see. I myself use the GS180 (virtually identical with the GS230), had a few days, the GS27 (small Einchipper cheaper, comparable with GS60) and have repeatedly footage of friends to cut here (recorded with GS20, similar to GS27). So I can compare and look good every time I new that I was still a bit longer had saved :-)
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von angelsson:
Ok people, I think you gave me so far. ;)
I think I'm ready ~ 400 ¬ für ne cam out. Hope this helps you the tips and give me the final choice. :)
I myself use the GS180 (virtually identical with the GS230) Yes, of the I now often synonymous in this forum read. Some even argued that the GS180 in some respects better than its successor. You know as more accurate?
Because with my budget amendment, I am now trying to buy the 230.
... what about it with a used Panasonic NV-DX100, 3CCD, which I use myself and with her had been very much rotated. True 16:9 you in your price category not found, and black bars synonymous kannste you tinker in the post (the camera has a mode for synonymous). Hmm ... very nice old part. ;)
How would you because this camera in comparison to the others mentioned here (180/230) to assess the quality of her?
Antwort von jansi:
the panasonic only has n Lens, ne?
But since this kannste Headphones connect! (I think)
Had obviously good at his external Micro
Antwort von angelsson:
the panasonic only has n Lens, ne?
But since this kannste Headphones connect! (I think)
Had obviously good at his external Micro From what you are talking about Camera? A Panasonic Lens and a headphone port to the 230 (synonymous).
Antwort von Markus73:
Yes, of the I now often synonymous in this forum read. Some even argued that the GS180 in some respects better than its successor. You know as more accurate? Not really. There were reports here that the 230 in the telecommunications field loses focus. Possibly. but it was a Monday synonymous only device that I do not know. I can only tell you that the 180 and the 230 of the data since almost equal (S-Video connection is missing in the 230) and the 180 I had bought her after the test report camcorderinfo.com an excellent image quality certified. I would confirm it. I'm very happy with it.
The test pictures here
http://www.videoaktiv.de/content/category/4/44/57/
You know?
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von Markus73:
the panasonic only has n Lens, ne? The 180 and 230? Yes. Which does not mean that the picture would be this bad. At the top of my test reports cited at least in terms of resolution is no significant difference between the Panasonic and the Leica lenses out.
But since this kannste Headphones connect! Also yes.
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von joerg-emil:
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Hmm ... very nice old part. ;)
How would you because this camera in comparison to the others mentioned here (180/230) to assess the quality of her? [/ Quote]
.. because I can not Comparison reflection, because the other two models are not yet in the fingers had ... of course it is always a threat, used Cams to buy, but your wishes are for your budget so synonymous quite high. .. I am very satisfied with, it is very robust. I have with her now about 20 hours of recording time and approximately 40 hours into the PC performed, ... so far she has not gemuxt ... knocking on wood ...
Antwort von angelsson:
... of course it is always a threat, used Cams to buy, but your wishes are for your budget quite so synonymous with high ... I'm very satisfied, it is very robust. I have with her now about 20 hours of recording time and approximately 40 hours into the PC performed, ... so far she has not gemuxt ... knocking on wood ... Really? Find my wishes now not soo high. :)
The only thing the price is pretty high drives or significantly restricts the choice is probably the micro input.
I will simply stop any possibility of reasonably clever original record. Because it is synonymous vorallem me about the drive noise is not mitaufzunehmen and so has the 100% no camera, I had the hands, alone with the built micro managed. : /
Is there perhaps another possibility to record sound as a Micro s.den any existing line-in adapter?
Oh, and what I still wanted to ask: You said in one of your posts here a bit of "true" 16:9 and that in this price range it would not. Could you me a bit more detail?
Antwort von Markus73:
Oh, and what I still wanted to ask: You said in one of your posts here a bit of "true" 16:9 and that in this price range it would not. Could you me a bit more detail? So, the 230 and the 180 have the good version :-) The "False" on the other hand, takes on quasi-normal 4:3 and hides the top and bottom black bar. That looks just like this "as if", but is actually only a waste of screen space. This method is called synonymous "letterbox", it is found mainly in the lower price range.
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von angelsson:
So ich werd mal tomorrow in the shop and go look if I can try the 230.
If I then do everything as far as the purchase is no longer possible.
I would however still a few questions. :)
Can Lenses and Filters Camera to use with this?
Does it make sense a UV filter to buy? Have now read more often, especially as the protection of the lens to be quite useful.
Any tips Bzgl Internet shop? Pixxass.de example is quite favorable and highly rated in miser ...
Antwort von Markus73:
So ich werd mal tomorrow in the shop and go look if I can try the 230. [...]
Can Lenses and Filters Camera to use with this? Lenses: If you order the usual tele-and wide-Prefixes do (often mistakenly referred to as Lenses): Yes. The Lens of course you can not change.
Filters: Yes, of course
Does it make sense a UV filter to buy? Yes, as a lens. Also, a polarizer is used as basic equipment is often recommended.
Gruß,
Markus
Antwort von angelsson:
Lenses: If you order the usual tele-and wide-Prefixes do (often mistakenly referred to as Lenses): Yes. The Lens of course you can not change.
Does it make sense a UV filter to buy?
Yes, as a lens. Also, a polarizer is used as basic equipment is often recommended. Sure, I thought these prefixes. The name came to me synonymous Lenses something Spanish before but somehow it is so often used it ... then of course not correct. ;)
But now I know how the term is correct.
Do I have the filters and intentions of doing anything and there is the eighth best brands and marks of the fingers that I should leave?
Antwort von asa:
So now I bought the GS230 and it came yesterday.
Had not much time to try it but I want times very briefly describe my impressions.
- Because many of them are made of plastic is she feels a bit cheap, but it's well made
- That it s.der Handschlauf a device to put the lens Eckels, there do I find extremely handy
- The autofocus works surprisingly well
- The white balance is not quite so
- Under the artificial light is neatly Picture
BUT
Oh my God! I've just tested the two Nachtsichtmodi.
Something terrible, I have not yet seen.
The Cam does not have infrared but provides all the shots in its natural colors However pulls the picture blurred and horrible after and is therefore not to be used in any of the modes. If one thinks I am exaggerating ... no, the pictures are NOT to be used when there are only synonymous Picture something a little moved.
I am somewhat disappointed.
If there is an alternative to this camera, would be a good night view mode, I would even consider replacement. : (
Antwort von angelsson:
Oh crap, I was not logged on .... sorry. The post was of me.
