Frage von schnaj:
Hello everybody,
I realize that the question something like this is probably 10 times a day, but I am not sure what to look for me to ...
I am an amateur photographer (; Canon 50D) and the videos have no idea - but I want to learn it. So I have read some of "Basics".
I am looking for a best possible camcorder (; maximum 500 ¬), but find myself in the market cope at all. I realize that I need to do in this price range with the manual settings smears. I probably would as a photographer with SD synonymous arge have problems, because it simply does not offer the usual picture quality. But I really can not know for sure ...
The features which I consider important: Micro would be in, phone out and optical stabilizer. but all are no knock-criteria.
I have now (and thanks Distance Selling) a Canon FS200 (; ie SD and without stabilizer) appointed to consider at times get a feel for the shooting and because they praised s.sich of some websites and magazines as a great beginner camera SD was.
Among the HD equipment I liebäugele with Panasonic SD66 and Canon HF200, without knowing quite why. For that I would again give up audio connections. You see, I'm quite confused.
At what entry level you can advise me? Especially s.die photographers among you: what you started? What are you satisfied?
EDIT: maybe I should write more about this: I do not own a HD Television. I plan to cut the images on the Mac and then view. Sufficient resolution synonymous for HD would be available.
Antwort von actaion:
I would advise you to a Panasonic SD707. Unfortunately, costs around 800 ¬,.
Emergency synonymous SonyCX305/505 (about 700 ¬;), if you click on manual aperture / shutter and viewfinder and Micro can abstain. Or JVC HM400 (about 650).
In the 400 ¬ models unfortunately have to make strong cuts. Bie Sonyand JVC lack of opt. Stability and manual aperture / shutter setting, at Panasonic, the filter thread (so there is no possibility to use converter / filter) and remote control is not synonymous. Micro-finder in and have all the before it, and
Image quality is better in the upper course synonymous.
Antwort von schnaj:
But to an SD device would you advise me? Since there are already so most of the features in this price range ...
I think if I go out Of ¬ 500 as a maximum, I have been advised very well. More is simply not there, synonymous when a device for 850 ¬ would be great of course and one for 1500 ¬ and more wild one for 2500 ¬ more wild. It must remain so realistic.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Canon HV test ne needed to get hold of 10/20/30 or SonyHC, then you have top quality HDV is recommended rather than an SD to buy.
http://cgi.ebay.de/CANON-HD-CAMCORDER-HV10-Mini- DV - HDV -HV-10-PAL-NEU-/370370837937? Pt = & cmd = ViewItem DE_Elektronik_Computer_Foto_Camcorder_Camcorder_PM & hash = 479.90 item563bd27db1 for ;-)
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von actaion:
The aktellen SD-equipped devices is synonymous all bad.
In the SD area will only be cheap mini camcorder with savings facilities in the area of 100-350 ¬ produced.
Is currently the best in the SD area probably the SonySX73, with good picture quality, but only electric synonymous. Stability.
If you SD ranges, the phase-out model would be synonymous SonyDVD506 worth a look to them, to the moment new for 400 ¬. Disadvantage (if you will) would be the recording on DVDs (not optimal, but still much more practical than cassette), but are very good picture-and sound quality, and a large equipment with everything you wish for. (Except Apperture manual control, which is absent in Sonygenerell).
Or look for a used Panasonic H250/280.
HDV cameras, such as Kid of proposed are a good quality solution, but if you want to bother you with the tapes (spool, cumbersome capture on PVC, high Seicherplatzbedarf) would then be the question.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
...... Complicated capture on PVC, high Seicherplatzbedarf) .... How many square meters were per GB that again ;-)
or
Incised wood flooring is synonymous good, but s.besten are chiselled stone slabs, which hold much more synonymous than PVC and are more environmentally friendly ;-)
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von schnaj:
Okay, I'm now in the hands of the FS200 and import just a few scraps of test material. Since my apartment is not the brightest to me are already on the camera monitor (up from photographic view) unacceptable Lowlight properties. But I will not be picky. Here's looking at me s.and post later, I found it.
HDV seems basically a nice format to be. I think I would rather make me synonymous DV tape in the cabinet as every 4 weeks at electronics discount stores for 'ne pending hard drive. Therefore ... I watch maybe once in that direction. However, I am relatively quickly as synonymous s.die price limit and have to buy me (at least according to some forum posts) because of the noise tape directly to a Micro. A bargain that would be not good.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
The HV has linked to me of 10 but no audio in / out!
Try going to Wolfgang's Page
http://www.fxsupport.de/blog/05_08.html#2605080911
The Jung on it and test it very Lens. Under keywords (top of page) to get another test reports.
Maybe depending on what you are leading a DSLR would be synonymous with a Canon Dost VDSLR something for you!
Is it true NEN tick more expensive but work out for scenic and always synonymous in LowLight very pleasant.
Nikon VDSLR one must however still advise against coming hopefully by the end of the year, with comparable times VDSLR Cams vs. Cams of the Canon on the market.
Compare with the Point and Shot function of a video camera this may be not.
With Denoiser scripts (AviSynth) or plug-ins for VirtualDub ... or just NeatVideo ... Video recordings can be noisy (which arises from the gain sharing) save "again ;-)
* You can actually gain with ISO in cameras compare *
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von schnaj:
Yuck. So goes the FS200 ever back. The image quality at all tells me not to. The noise is too extreme and I feel just the whole picture (synonymous outside, with enough light) as violently blurred.
Thus, "standard definition" died for me (certainly in my price range).
This leaves HDV (HV20 with the proposal / 30 / 40 or SonyHC?) And HD (with Panasonic SD66 / 707, ... of the Canon HF200 which is kept?).
For used-HDV cameras one is safe from harm and not s.Bandlaufwerk all HDV cameras need to be a Micro. Correct?
hard drive and DVD are for me the question. I am on principle against moving parts in mobile devices - and too sensitive to be susceptible to interference.
What you need for used HD cameras (flash or SD card storage eighth)?
Antwort von B.DeKid:
So external microphones are always recommended.
With the RF models was as much of the last movie Crank 2 rotated - so yes, the resolution seems to be good enough.
The Panasonic 707 currently has probably one of the reference tools in the price range below 1000 ¬.
.................
What should you should ... hmmm
I'd say would be with me s.wichtigsten can screw the one I s.das Lens Wide Angle Adapter.
The one I have audio in.
I think those are with the main criteria considered in my view.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von schnaj:
What should you should ... hmmm
I'd say would be with me s.wichtigsten can screw the one I s.das Lens Wide Angle Adapter.
The one I have audio in. Thank you for this, but I meant what I should particularly pay attention to when Buying used. Parts or something like.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Oh, sorry dude. .... But just know the issue of wear parts is but anyway one of the myths in the net .... so I noodle for years now through my DV material "Capture bitch" (ne SonyDCR PC 330E) - Tapes with which I "was added Ollen" XL1s had - which was never in service and I let every 6 months times NEN ReinigungsTape for about 10 seconds to run through - and lo and behold I have at about 1hr tape may be, if it comes up 2-4 .... did drop frames here but good - och too many tapes are around, as the I bzgl something you "can wear advise. I even memory all my stuff on DAT tape streamer for now more nearly 10 years with everything beautiful in SplitRAR Files Recovery Files - so if allowed to I do not ask for something.
Wear for myself Batteries, Filters (any amount) and glasses cleaning wipes ;-)
Oh, and referred to input your question:
... Especially s.die photographers among you: what did you start? What are you satisfied? By writing a Agfa Ritsch Ratsch Stillimage Camera, then a Minolta SR T 100x, then an EOS 600, Ner Russian double-lens MTF, then at some Pentax, then EOS 1, then EOS1V, then EOS 350D, EOS 400D, then Mamiya RB67 Pro, Mamiya 645, Voigtlander Bessa R2M, EOS 7D, EOS 550D .....
8mm Cam No Name, VHS Cam, SonyHI8 Cam, Thomson SD Cam, SonySD Cam, Canon XL1s Cam (s )....
;-)
So Welcome to the forum slashCAM ;-))
MfG
B. DeKid
PS: On the hottest are the typical "FamielenVater" offers on EBAY, hardly used, in great condition and well maintained.
Selling reason, too much Money and Run on the New Consumer ....;-)
