Frage von lenni89:
Hello everyone!
The shooting has sparked my interest and would now like with the purchase of a camcorder to get some practice. A few weeks ago I started to tell me about the different attitudes, the standard features of the camcorder, build, host species and so a few more details - what should be observed during filming, too.
I would like to now do not wait any longer and am roughly synonymous already aware in which direction it should go to the Purchase.
The question is gängstige the recording medium, in which I have since opted for the "classic"
Mini-DV or
H-DV camcorder.
I want to start erstmal small films, either on cities, in nature, or rotate to co-Staged.
It is essential for peaceful possessed images have provided a tripod, which is why the camcorder is equipped with a
mount, then when I later had
tripod. As much as I would like to shape itself, rather than leave everything auto run, I wish that the camcorder has
MANY manual functions, so that I can take action themselves. How I learn, I guess s.besten what we must respect during filming.
The
possibility of a
converter screws on the lens, I would like to have with the camcorder, but this is often the case.
Also quite
important to me is the
viewfinder. While I think LCD displays synonymous good, but the viewfinder up to me in the foreground.
It should be synonymous easy (and his upward) move, so I can look up on the camcorder of synonymous - in the viewfinder.
The bigger the better viewfinder s.besten, synonymous nor white / black. Long fingernails and I do not put as much value on it.
While the filming, as it will often be common in rehearsal rooms, a bit dark, so needs to make the camcorder synonymous in
low-light-to medium-range good results. Now for the post, I do not know what you need in addition to a Firewire port, software, and be every PC yet, but in retrospect I wish to transform the raw material synonymous with a respectable movie.
Since the tapes are to be viewed on the television synonymous times I need a recorder for the cassettes.
All in all, should not exceed the
camcorder and the recorder, the boundary of 800 ¬.
850 ¬ would absolutely schmerzgrenze;)
Since I never had a camcorder, even Photosmart camera never had, I now have little know-how. I hope you can advise me so little:)
Many greetings!
Antwort von Daigoro:
Oh, nice approach. Admirable.
But I think, with your expectations you'll have a hard time in the current Point & Shoot HD Konsumerwelt. As can usually be set low and then only circumstances over's menu.
Older (; used) MiniDV models are expected from the "prosumer" League for such a project be more appropriate.
SonyPD or VX, Canon XL or XM, Panasonic DVX.
Whether you find the good in 1000 in nem condition, but Glueckssache - the times have indeed true cost money.
Hm. or just ne HV30.
Antwort von lenni89:
No, my limit is really 850, I originally assumed of 600 upwards. Abi ja mal Bigger But for a little bit more;)
The viewfinder of the HV30 is also a bit small and integrated into the housing.
The SonyHDR-HC1 camcorder-Comparison speaks to me in a little. What do you think of that?
Antwort von pilskopf:
In the description fits quite well the SonyHC9, recording tape in 1080i, but the viewfinder does not really need, is in color, not very high resolution and not swivel. I did prior to the purchase of the action always thought, I do not need necessarily a viewfinder, now I would say never again. The viewfinder of my 10 years old Cam B / w was 1,000 times better to bad that consumers really wanted a bad color viewfinder, and these were still synonymous of the industry. Absolutely useless thing I've seen so far s.Consumercams so that you can not rotate or check the sharpness.
Lowlight is now synonymous not necessarily synonymous, but the Burner is not so bad. So even usable with a tendency to grieseln.
The Canon HV30 might be the right cam for you but has no viewfinder so far as I know. But as I said, this will be before s.end anymore.
Antwort von Daigoro:
The Canon HV30 might be the right cam for you but has no viewfinder so far as I know. But as I said, this will be before s.end anymore. Yes, but fixed, color, and not very high resolution.
The SonyHDR-HC1 camcorder-Comparison speaks to me in a little. What do you think of that? There's only still used in part-not quite at the height of recent HDV camcorder, and the Gebrauchtpreise I've seen so far were simply too high.
Antwort von LightTrancefer:
And later, once one of the Canon XL series - I've learned a lot and fast and make really fun.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Gude leni
As new kind of calculator is s.dem you sitting?
Maybe a Canon HF100 is the answer for you.
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von lenni89:
Hmm, the prices of the SonyHDR-HC1 are not really attractive, much too high.
And yes SonyHC9 is synonymous not what I seek, if not even fit on a tripod.
The SonyHV30 I'm gonna go with closer look at the other mentioned ...
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Antwort von pilskopf:
Why the HC9 will not fit on a tripod? Show me just a cam that fits on any tripod that gibts gar nicht. Each cam has a threaded bottom turn. The HC9 is very similar to the Canon, but slightly lower quality Lanc socket, so if you want something. Infrared Recording and super slow motion. Well always out. 'm Really pleased with the part that gets most of it out anyway in post production.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... which is so synonymous SonyHC9 not what I seek, if not even fit on a tripod ... Who told you this for? The HC9 obviously has as much a tripod mount and practically 99.9% of all camcorder. Respect the way before your "wish list": You've really thought!
Antwort von lenni89:
Achso. I had with the "it's not swivel" imagined that they can not swing with one tripod. ;)
But can the smaller camera is already waving Orentlicher, without having to venture all blurred?
The Canon HF100 is indeed of good quality, but not record on tape.
Antwort von pilskopf:
For your computer HDV is just the thing I would say, so check out the Canon HV30 more times, it makes the really excellent pictures and notes on tape. Only 2 gig ram pure, perhaps, never hurts.
With Swivel I mean only the eyepiece of the viewfinder, this can be the only HC9 but just not pulling upward tendency as a benefit almost impossible. Provides at Cam-eh not so small, the cams are too small and too light to cause synonymous with her hand. So either you take a tripod or a steady cam. But the latter is nothing for your budget as too expensive.
Antwort von actaion:
Since the tapes are to be viewed on the television synonymous times I need a recorder for the cassettes.
But you can connect the camera synonymous with the TV, so do not need additional recorder.
What do you still need, would be a DVD Burners in PC and a DVD player s.TV to burn the finished film and then look s.TV able to.
For HD (, V)-camcorder, however you need Blue-Ray burner and player, or get an HD-capable media player device to the movies after the cut aufn TV.
I've got lying around or a second hand Panasonic NV-DS27, which I no longer use since I switched to a model without the tape.
And would serve your needs: Variable Aperture / time, etc. manual, reasonable viewfinder, synonymous to the top hinged, Filters & tripod thread, etc. Moreover, even Night shot (; 0Lux) ... NP once was 700, I would make for 150 ...
Antwort von kalle70:
Why not a TRV900E?
Is this old and only SD / Mini DV, however offers all the top has been called as necessary.
Then, when it should be serious with the filming you can still invest money.
Antwort von pilskopf:
I would prefer in any case a wide LONGLINE considered. There are no consumer camera, the Focal has a good, all too little wide.
Antwort von domain:
Why not a TRV900E?
Would I recommend synonymous. As a beginner it is always interesting to start with top-quality of the time. Then you know what made synonymous Billigmurks today and will get an eye for quality that is unfortunately found again only in much higher price classes, or in a price range in which the TRV 900 has indeed been synonymous.
Antwort von Daigoro:
The offer, which you have taken as synonymous in the eye looks quite fair:
http://forum.slashcam.de/verkaufe-sony-trv-900e-technisch-einwandfrei-with-sonderzubehor-650-eur-vp361358.html#361358
If you can do without HD. Is definitely "better Camera" in Comparison to everything else, what you get today arrived in the price range.
(Useful accessories synonymous member yet, WW, extra batteries, charger) / power supply is missing (still a tripod, the Velbon zb) and the film pass is nothing in your way.
As a beginner it is always interesting to start with top-quality of the time. Maybe not with the old ner Ikegami broadcast Roehrenkamera without clever accessories. ;).
Antwort von lenni89:
Yes, the offer synonymous still ongoing. But I'm still s.schauen.
Finally, there are cheaper offers. Unfortunately, according to some buyers, many of the used SonyDTR-TRV900 cameras no longer in perfect condition, but have been clear signs of wear.
Since synonymous separates the wheat from the chaff.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Unfortunately, according to some buyers, many of the used SonyDTR-TRV900 cameras no longer in perfect condition, but have been clear signs of wear.
Since synonymous separates the wheat from the chaff. So many cameras Ebay (so, other things synonymous).
Much chaff, little wheat. : (;
Outside Gebrauchsspuren Traderjob are of secondary importance - critical if the drive abgenudelt 'is. The wait for a professional cleaning / repair / can be quite expensive.
Antwort von lenni89:
Above all, I see that even before the purchase is not. The item location is then that is too far away to test the camera before too.
Warranty will I get from these older cameras certainly not synonymous. They'll usually run out after 3 years. (A purchase of a used camera, without looking at it before), but has already ventured.
Antwort von Daigoro:
(A purchase of a used camera, without looking at it before), but has already ventured. View Even with a lot of things you can not see (: how many tapes were actually filmed, and how many have played, etc. - the Sony drives, enjoy a good reputation, but are not synonymous indestructible) and has to rely on honest and accurate information of the seller.
Antwort von pilskopf:
I stand on such things on initial purchase. If you s.wenigsten much trouble. And 2 years warranty is important. The cam will cost when used above 650 ¬, it may be great but if I'd have the choice, would get a Canon HV30 with New for the price of my choice clear. If any still used as a wide Angledann to make 100 ¬ if you take a Raynox. The higher resolution allows synonymous good digital zoom without that it is noticeable. Especially when synonymous SD resolution is still the target medium.
Antwort von Daigoro:
would get a Canon HV30 with New for the price to my choice clear. Well, the TRV should include resolution of the HV30 up in virtually every other point Filmrelevanten beat to beat until well.
Antwort von pilskopf:
Probable exception of the resolution and the weight. But wschwerre Cams are actually even have an advantage. The resolution I think, at least not for Irrelevant. Not in HD Youtubezeiten. If one only intends to look at a tube, ok, is verschmerzbar. I do not want to talk bad Sonyja seems to be quite good but you have to consciously stop doing what satisfies one, no one notices that after half a year, oh, HD looks a lot horny. However, especially the digital zoom allows a certain freedom to crop loss to the Picture.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Probable exception of the resolution and the weight. The resolution I think, at least not for Irrelevant. Not in HD Youtubezeiten. Jo, but in contrast to the millions of maligned YoutubeHD shooting, have nothing except the higher resolution, the OP wanted to learn to shoot ".
Include resolution of this is really one of the least important criteria.
How serious is it so, of course, he must assess itself.
The weight?
Plastic Bomber (; have the HV30 ever had in my hand? The Shells gets even scars from anschaun:) against magnesium shell.
Nevertheless, the HV30's price to the (; rises again! .. Lowest threshold was once 650, now 670!) Of course not a bad camera, but does not halt Comparison with the "prosumer" equipment.
Antwort von pilskopf:
No, I did not have the Canon in my hand, I do not like plastic bomber and had read prior to my purchase of HC9 already, I like Sonybei Cams easy that would speak for the above-mentioned cam while but it is quite synonymous many good and beautiful marvel HD videos of the HV30 is not all bad. It's just a pricing area, where you have to expect synonymous with bad videos, it is not s.der Cam. It is never even s.der Cam.
Antwort von Daigoro:
Ne, the Canon I had not in hand, I do not like plastic bomber and had read prior to my purchase of the HC9 already
So the Sony's are checking into 'valent'. Even my HC5.
Even my old Canon MVX25, which was new in ner similar price box was, 'valent'. The HV is .. Plastic.
synonymous but there are very many good and admire beautiful HD video of the HV30 is not all bad. It's just a pricing area, where you have to expect synonymous with bad videos, it is not s.der Cam. It is never even s.der Cam. Even.
As I said, in the handling plays the TRV in ner different league. This already see when you look at the photos of anschaust. It's in the <1000 EUR HD segment, not at, unfortunately.
Comparison or the purchasing power of the course any easier.
Antwort von kalle70:
With the TRV900, you can really manual work (not using a touch screen, with smeared display) but directly by button s.der outside.
You can set the aperture directly. You can adjust the shutter speed directly. You can even choose between automatic aperture or shutter speed automatics. The camera even has a switchable ND filters. All of the outside via button!
And for me, not unimportant in a proper zoom button
And not such a small lever.
Only cameras with easily accessible manual settings you can learn to shoot manual and learn to understand the function and the interaction of aperture, shutter speed and focal.
I do not believe that anybody seriously with the "manual options" is concerned by the deeply hidden in the menu of the camera are.
How am I to understand an automatic and (their special characteristics; appreciate pumps ..) to use or if I had no idea of the basics of photography?
Why has a Digikam such a great depth of field?
How can I still get to a small sharp area?
When do I need a wide aperture when a fast time?
My recommendation is not because I give them TRV900 once was the best compact MiniDV, or I had such a part, but because it is the only device that provides these features at this price.
Antwort von lenni89:
This is precisely why I have so written an introductory post.
But the offer is me with accessories Comprehensive,
The Fisheye Converter I do not need.
Cheaper deals are also synonymous, even if you have to look for the same quality:)
Antwort von pilskopf:
Yes, the handling is really assi with the new cams. My last Hi8 was synonymous a magnificent work s.manueller setting by external keys. Can you already make more change and especially during the live recording setting. This goes for the new stop not really, not in the price, but of course you can still adjust almost anything for certain Cams manual. But not so practical, that's right.
I think Handling Touch extremely successful way. A hold button, but lacks the HC9. Was it ne good Hi8 time where you could still adjust the gain value. : D
Antwort von kalle70:
As an accessory to the TRV900, but synonymous with other, actually on all camcorders, a wide angle attachment with added 0.7 x.
This is simply because camera side is not sufficient Wide Angle Available.
Incidentally, the SonyWide LONGLINE that offer is good and his money worth.
If you are looking for a TRV900 or TRV890 synonymous one (; identical only without DVin but mostly cheaper) pay attention to the following quirks:
- Internal Micro is dead or silent, or (only one channel, the test of time!)
Problematic because one can anschliesen an external Micro, is the better choice anyway.
- Strong greenish tint when light
As far as I knows it is a misalignment of the prism / chip by a blow or impact. Repkosten approximately 250 euros!
- Blocks of education (in the recording, video head abgenudelt)
You just try such a camera with a prof. To buy dealer.
Since you have a right to exchange, and a warranty on used equipment.
Antwort von lenni89:
Against the Sony wide angle converter
synonymous there is nothing to the contrary. Just this other "wide" converter, so-called "fisheye" I really do not need now.
Unfortunately, he does not sell the camera, without that fisheye.
Antwort von kalle70:
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Slamming or a counter offer to use :-)
For TRV900E of private I would not pay more than 450 euros.
But only after inspection.
Antwort von rick-duh-dey:
I would have something small for you to start.
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