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Frage von Otwin:


Hello,

I am not quite sure whether the subject has been approached correctly deep here.

A user had asked how he gets the Ice Age to him in a very different movie to bring. I would answer synonymous s.einer interest held.
Could but instead of an Ice Age is synonymous to a horse from a personal video, which is in another movie in quite a different environment would like to run.

I am interested in the following: How to get to that one, I'll stick with the horse from a private recording, just this horse from the movie alone herausbekommt?

Fiddling with a blue or green cloth, everything is very expensive, and can be synonymous only with certain rotation. It has yet another opportunity.

For Video Deluxe, this nice mistress with the camera, which can in its current movie can fit. This woman is truly human, so here was a real movie uses. I mean, do not stop comic figure.
Sure you could sort of on bluescreen or green screen work. Only much more interesting it is, existing segregated.

I think nurmal s.das shoot a crow, which I own in one other film would use. Only I have to separate the crow of the landscape through which they fly.
I think this is a tremendous potential.
So, can someone describe exactly how to do this. What software might just do this. Please send a reply of those who are equal have been synonymous.

Gruß, Otwin



Antwort von Johannes:

I think it is synonymous when it comes before a uniform
Background, or you are only with lawn aufnihmt.
And then with a chroma key process.

John



Antwort von alfa:

Hi,

No. That is what I really want is not in the core. Too many restrictions. You movie gallopierender my horse in the hall, on the meadow, just where no preference.
You just concentrate on the fact that you have the horse at the gallop-quality super einfängst. Let's say 10 sec gallop.

What I still would define as one that can make easier, would be that the horse is the subject of the motion would be. If I just only this horse out of my video, I no preference whether it s.Ende in front of a blue or green screen gallopiert, then I have a real template for effects, tricks s.ganz elsewhere.

In a preamble as an example could be this horse in conjunction with a map to, or on other very different backgrounds. Inserted JPG's, for example. There is here a thousand possibilities of film appreciation.

The horse is here only one example. Can a motorcycle, a ball, or what I know.

I am looking for the possibility of such movements from a movie to get out without having to change the background or the background must respect and how they are usually recorded in the video happen. I do not want in a recorded scene with colors around handle, but in order to s.Ende None genuine separation menu.
I would like a moving object have a clean out.

A horse gallopierender you can not realize a blue wall. A flying owl or crow not synonymous. Or a car.

If there is a software with a clean action is separate from the rest, that would be a solution.

What I would like not synonymous, in a 3D program to create an object complete with light and shadow, and then set in motion, etc.
That I leave to the professionals who have real animations drauf.

There must be but a piece of software, which an action or movement of disconnect can not move, just the landscape. Where, therefore, only the moving horse s.Ende had my front of a blue or green screen, or even None, just like the woman in VDL with Camera.

Gruß, Otwin



Antwort von Axel:

"Otwin" wrote: I am interested in the following: How to get to that one, I'll stick with the horse from a private recording, just this horse from the movie alone herausbekommt?

If you have Photoshop and know a person ever "cut" (free with the path-pen, which corresponds more to the wand Keying), then you know the principle, how, in different programs, an object of manually isolated from its environment . Maybe you use Photoshop more about the lasso tool, but this video is good for nothing. Because the ways the Path is not a continuous contour line, but as a sliding Pfadpunkte (painting by numbers). Since the horse in the next video frame his position has changed slightly, you need to do is not the whole path - the outline of the horse - new feature, but only the points move. In After Effects the tool is called "Rotobezier".
Preconditions are patience and accuracy. Initially one seconds video is more of a hour later, with more practice and the realization that you better in the first round only about every tenth Picture adapts, 10-15 minutes.
Synonymous Remember that any camera movement (pan, hand-held camera) is bad with a second recording combine.



Antwort von Otwin:

Hi Axel,

Thank you very much. I know of the Photoshop ago. But this would mean that each individual would have to disconnect Picture. Yes well, maybe not exactly each. Although, if you gallop one seconds in the timeline view, so for almost Picture Picture, you realize that you have many images per second would have to edit.

You can omit almost nothing since then to light Ruckbewegungen in subsequent viewing of the entire scene while a second coming. This is a fairly complex job. Werd's me but look at it. Must only look at how this type of VDL is implemented, if at all reasonable.

Now imagine in a movie header with the theme of the horse has to do, allows you on a map's always. A certain point one after the other 10 different horses are running. Imagine the total working time in order that these 10 sequences to create erstmal by here with 10 different horses, 20 sec. per horse animation is implemented.

After only a horse with this work done, you do you may find that it is not good for the header is processed. All work for nothing.

I'm still hoping that a software is able to perform an action or movement of a sequence to be separated. The man has something that you like on a length of 10 can exercise complete Sec.

A software that detects the motion. Of s.dieser variability oriented.

Gruß, Otwin



Antwort von Otwin:

Hello Axel,

Adobe After Effects I think lies at about 1200, - Euro as a full version. As you are with this software work, please describe me when it is convenient for you not too expensive, then what you do.

I would therefore, say, 10 second video sequence shot. Gallopierndes horse on the lawn. And let us suppose, because of rapid movement, I would have to edit each individual picture. I will therefore invite my 10 sec. What get's next?
Will my horse in each Picture cleanly separated from the rest, I mean really clean?
Please describe the process a little.

I mean, I fear not the purchase price. If the work can really see, it's worth it to me.

Gruß, Otwin



Antwort von Axel:

Salut Otwin.
At your place (amateur like me, I suppose) I would firstly have an older version at a much lower price (ebay?) Buy, and secondly, before the official demo version
What affects the accuracy, with the you are a fast-moving object (motion blur effect of course, that thou hast unsharp mask edges) can provide free, so you achieve good results with the vector brushes. How to do this is difficult in words to describe - and easy to understand when one of the fantastic video tutorials
EDIT: Did you not read previous post. The desirability of your tool for automatic separation of motion of the background still exist, it is called> Differenzkey (please use the search function) and provides for DV, you have to say, worse results than> Lumakey,> Chromakey or mentioned rotoscoping.
With "every tenth Picture" I do not meant that you only see the outlines of every tenth image editing, but that - depending on the speed of movement - only every tenth Picture a completely Umrißsilhouette has changed, so that the adjustment of the intermediate phase, characterized by the laws keyframes s.diesen rough orient main phases, in the second pass faster.



Antwort von Otwin:

Hi Alex,

Thank you. But I must first look at VDL whether there is a corresponding keying is implemented, and how it works.

Have not yet worked. Must therefore first find out how the keying in VDL applied.

Otwin



Antwort von alfa:

So how do you imagine that it will not work: there is no software, for example, your horse is extracted from the recording.
Works only via bluescreen / or keying as described by elaborate cut frame by frame.






Antwort von Otwin:

Hi,

Thanks for the information. Well then would remain only the question of how effective or s.besten each frame processed.

So in my VDL 2006/2007 Pros, I can not. Hab compatriots. VDL has garkeine application with which you sense could edit the frame.

One can employ all sorts of VDL course with keyframe animation. But these are all things that affect the whole picture. I find nice for a movie part diagonally to zoom larger, of the top or bottom, clockwise, or by curve Color reinzuhängen etc.

In the big wars and all but synonymous. Of course all the influence of additional scenes that have blue / green background was provided, and then be integrated, etc. appended

Is already a lot s.Möglichkeit. Bring everything but nothing in the direction of what I want to achieve.
You must be so similar to a single picture the horse may release. Axel had the opportunity on Adobe After Effects mentioned.

Is there a way other than Adobe per frame sense and efficiently to do what my mind?

Gruß, Otwin



Antwort von alfa:

you could with photoshop times in a photo
an object such as a horse exempt,
make it a alphakanl generate
on film format (768x578) and scaled to your
schnitt programm download ...
while you learn some basics of
compositing.
gruß cj



Antwort von PowerMac:

"Anonymous" wrote: (...) JPG's (...)

There are no "JPG's". There is only "jpg".

"Anonymous" wrote: (...) A horse gallopierender you can not realize a blue wall. A flying owl or crow not synonymous. Or a car. (...)

But clearly. You have really no idea what you are in front of a bluescreen every time. There are ride-bluescreens, you can have the horse on a treadmill make the flying bird against a blue sky films, etc.
Creativity and experience are required.

"Anonymous" wrote: (...) If there is a software with a clean action is separate from the rest, that would be a solution. (...)

Super, which would be the solution. Then programmable looking. The algorithm I would like to see. Synonymous Remember that pictures often sharp moves are dissolved, or the presentation as video looks good, but frames may completely blurred, full of motion blur, compression artefacts, errors, etc., are. The software you need to explain. There are, of course, motion tracking and roto scoping. Admittedly you can only expensive programs such as Shake, for which there are again more expensive plug-ins exist. And recognize the synonymous not just so. Where you have only hours (!) "Explain" what you want.

eg http://www.thepixelfarm.co.uk/products/products.aspx?PID=4



Antwort von Otwin:

PowerMac Hello,

Do right, of course. Must bear with me. I really did not know whether it is in the affordable range something, say something we recognize the movement, and the fact-oriented.

As far as I've noticed, there are programs that detect movement, and convert it. Where then is the chance, in simple terms, a completely different subject, body s.Ende with this movement in order to bring.

Surely, however, I just write about something that is uninteresting, because it is not affordable.

Then all I do is the possibility of a single frame editing. Do you have any idea whether the VDL in my going? I have my views, but I am to solve None came. Garnicht I knew how to edit each frame should be. VDL has nothing, what is for me one way would show.
I can understand a single frame at all, VDL undergo what it s.bearbeitung there. About keyframe the Story Maker, the video effects, color changes.

To get the horse but not out. I would normally be quite happy with my VDL, because this program for what I do with my movies super offers everything what I need.

I can understand a single frame into a folder. Do I need to frame this in a different program to edit it, or how does that work?

Please excuse if my questions a bit stupid to listen. I am, I notice even with much still s.Anfang.

Gruß, Otwin



Antwort von Axel:

Salut Otwin,
I frankly do not know what is VDL. Probably a simple editing program, but with whom you klarkommst. Editing programs usually have a series of simple effects added, but - if anything - only very limited possibilities for compositing.
After Effects provides a wide range, and the advantage for you would be that there are many tools, which are similar to those in Photoshop. There is no alternative to the editing program, but its extension. Usually you are editing only a few seconds so that (after editing / post production / After Effects).
For PC users there is probably not a meaningful alternative. Expect not that you run the program without accompanying reading understand. Indeed, I would rather recommend Tutorial DVDs. And if you do not just have one months leave, you will be after the end of the demo license knowledge and too little exercise, to make your project a reality.
Compositing are tasks for inventors, instead watching television or playing Sudoku prefer something creative with their substantial free time to start.
If this description fits you, buy AAE. If you prefer after the next tool for automatic creation of an effect investigators, ordered thee premiere and add this


Antwort von gibson:

Hello Axel,

Leave just as hospitable. VDL is a video deluxe.
So, I've no fear of the AAE. Clearly, one has to be dealing with. That must be one but synonymous with Photoshop. And always bear in mind is a program on someone exhausted possible to understand and handle, or with a few specific things very well want.

Photoshop I have never in the sense of a professional photographer with the background used. But always for some image changes, edits, which I've just needed to see a Still Image to get what I mostly s.anderer body was next used.
It was just so that I am good with Photoshop, clearly came from handling her.

I guess you play a short film sequence in AAE that I understand this correctly, that is similar to an editing program. Then you can edit frame by frame and s.Ende his video sequence as in my case, then in VDL next process on the film.

I handle a long time now with VDL rum. Must say that it absolutely fits my work. I do my hours of film, have 32 tracks, actually enough screens, transitions, etc.
The trimmer functions to cut VDL can see synonymous. Slow motion or accelerations s.Ende look good.
A basic equipment s.Effekten, color, Picture in Picture, some Keyframemöglichkeiten round out the picture from.

Enough of title design, there are synonymous. Just overall a great deal to a successful film into reality. Although synonymous here creativity is required, the previous successful capture of enough raw material is as important as anywhere else synonymous.

Trying to say that first very long with this program is very reasonable results can be achieved.
You must be times you imagine that I am riding in the area two DVD's have made, with each movie about 70 minutes (DV quality with my SonyHC1E) where I garnicht trust, something about the configuration of my laptop to say with the film arose.
Siemens Amilo with 128 MB Ram, yet not even 1.2 GHz clock. Only 60 G hard disk.

And yet I could during the weeks these films always edit, without the preview window großartig came into bucking. And I have lots s.zeitlupenstudien, Filters, Effects in the film had.

What I actually fortunately missing (aside Now I ride with a calculator), is a little more that what I described. Here and there take a Effect to use, whether in the credits, closing credits, a study by the middle, as always synonymous.
And besides, I have noticed with me is the emphasis on the capture of events, where I was but the active object on their own needs. Unfortunately they are turning increasingly to scenarios in the wild, or great hall, and in any case things are not accomplished by blue Ausstaffierung leave.
At least not by the handling of her or her the costs are still useful.

So yes I had referred to things, and as such the short flight of a crow. To the right in a sequence to get later on when it comes to a slightly müstige demonstration goes, because this was the topic, you will need as many x-shooting, for example, by the flight of a crow. plays in their attitude, the camera angles play a crucial role in the success later.

These are all things that you get the best out there and capture it.
Or as I mentioned a number of gallopierender horses. If I were I writing credits (names of parties) to open an old book can appear, on the page next to the horses one by one from the paper published on the book page gallop wants because it is such a great eye-catcher, then I need this horse raw material for it.

And that may be just the horses body itself. but this must be good. Here you need a raw material of some IR bands, where you actually s.Ende only 20-30 sec, because the exact fit, from her angle.
precisely for those 20 sec, I must object to the rausziehen. this is the result s.Ende.

I've outlined the symbolic order to show you where to me a real focus. I work with such tricks unheimlich gerne. You do not always fit that, but very often.

Accordingly profitable is synonymous with me to purchase a



Antwort von jomox:

hola So it is good schonmal NEN progressively after another software VDL bringts around since the dot what you want garnicht. you should look at only about
s.welche software?
Yes, there several good. AE (After Effect) is at least from my view (which nothing should be read) is a tool for 2.5 D Motion Graphic .... is really creative effects is somewhat complicated to build the program and know when things significantly larger deficits in the overview from . surely it should be for the effect you've described are, however you want later determined synonymous other things. when thou hast efffekts after the clear advantage of countless pre-made effects and many plugins. But if complexity is already difficult isses problems with the program to handle.

continue gibts halt nor (pc based) or Digital Fusion Discreet Combustion .... of the larger.

I've been using combustion and am very satisfied with the tool simply because it is concise and free to work independently of any permit under compositions. Incidentally, 90% of the work for after effect plugins synonymous here.

Just had to compare I think is even cheaper than AE ... but not sure exactly.

b) you should look really about whether you 1000 ¬ für ne ausgibst software if you only use occasionally or if you do not always manage the quality will be the operator a full hinkriegt. because as I understand, or do you cut film (of everything). because it really makes no sense ne postprocessing software on it.

s.besten guckst du mal du someone if you can find the build or you can choose to see it explained.

aso someone earlier had the glorious idea in photoshop image sequence indemnify ne .... lol .... I want to see) you'll always shake with NEN have the edge ... unless you're pixelfetischist NEN.
and again because what to change ... naja viel spass

hope this has helped you a bit ... at least for the decision to resist and

mfg



Antwort von PowerMac:

Interesting here is synonymous Shake for about 500 euros. Very good keyer and Tracker for the little money. They are comparable to any major with Flame systems.