Frage von sebastian.mainzer:
Hello,
I have already in some forums to read articles that are sometimes discouraged is a HD cam to buy, because the picture quality to date is not yet ideal and not much difference to DV cassettes offer!
Is that so?
I would like to see in the next two weeks, a Cam buy. The whole time I was fixated on an HD Cam. The necessary devices for Full HD I've synonymous (Full HD LCD, BluRay player).
If the leap is not so high DVCamauf of HDCAM, then I can not use it well synonymous.
Cam What can you recommend me because the HD has not?
Is it synonymous Cams in the format of DV cassettes to record on hard drive?
Thanks for your help
Antwort von Quadruplex:
I have already in some forums to read articles that are sometimes discouraged is a HD cam to buy, because the picture quality to date is not yet ideal and not much difference to DV cassettes offer!
Is that so? Where did you read this because?
I would like to see in the next two weeks, a Cam buy. The whole time I was fixated on an HD Cam. The necessary devices for Full HD I've synonymous (Full HD LCD, BluRay player). Then get yourself an HDV model and it's good ...
If the leap is not so high DVCamauf of HDCAM, then I can not use it well synonymous. It is clear ...
Antwort von maniero:
Would be interesting to know how much you for the new Cam want to invest and for what purposes it will be used. If you're in the next 2 weeks and want to buy the camcorder used privately want to HDV is probably the right choice for you. For more demanding applications is a potential loss with less Kompremierungs and recording procedures (DVCProHD, etc.) is recommended. Or s.besten RAW data (RED keyword or Andromeda) ;-)
Antwort von sebastian.mainzer:
That I could see from the following contribution: Search AVCHD camcorder!
I tend to Canon HF100, you can recommend?
Where I just have my doubts, is the editing of HD material!
I have only a P4 3.2 GHz with 2GB Ram. Have read that a dual or even quad processor would recommend!
Suppose I would buy the Canon and I notice that the processing demands s.meinen Calculator, can I get the video material in real time as DVAVI transferred, as is the case with the DV-Cam 's was?
I know that I do with the function of the HDCAM not really use, but as long as I do not have a new more powerful calculator possess, it would be at least a temporary solution!
Antwort von Daigoro:
The topic's been there more often.
At the moment of HDV editing easier than her AVHCD - your 3 GHz processor should be sufficient even to see it 'natively' (without conversion) process. And you have a larger synonymous Choice s.Schnittprogrammen, which come in so clear (eg synonymous my 'legacy' MSP8, which AHCHD abandon).
So if you want to edit and cassettes in sales can take, I would ne good HDV cam to (HC 5 of Sonyist at around 550-600 euros quite cheap and of Canon HV30 is quite good at around 750 to 800 euros).
The difference with SD is better for the cameras in any case more than visible (at the very 'cheap' synonymous to "HD", as Aiptek and co. While you have the bigger picture, but it is mostly clean at all) -- at least if you have the appropriate output devices searched.
When I look at the development at the MiniDV cameras watch, I almost fear that the next generations of "HD" cameras are not much better than the present and in the low price segment around the 500 euro more useful features (DV In, Micro and headphone, Viewfinder) be omitted, and the ambitious filmmaker deterrent.
Antwort von wolfgang:
That I could see from the following contribution: Search AVCHD camcorder!
I tend to Canon HF100, you can recommend?
Where I just have my doubts, is the editing of HD material!
I have only a P4 3.2 GHz with 2GB Ram. Have read that a dual or even quad processor would recommend!
Daigro is right. HDV is even with the 3.2 Ghz, if necessary, is not ideal, but doable. With a 2-core device ists better. With AVCHD, however, are quite reasonable Quad.
Inform yourself about the difference halt of HDV to AVCHD.
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=4686
Antwort von sebastian.mainzer:
This I now understand correctly!
1. HDV HD Cams Cams are synonymous, only that they just record on DV tapes?
2. How is the quality in comparison to normal DV cams?
3. When I watch the videos in real-time transfer, which format do I get then, synonymous DVAVI?
4. Do I need special cassettes, or are they the normal Mini?
Thank you
Antwort von Daigoro:
This I now understand correctly!
1. HDV HD Cams Cams are synonymous, only that they just record on DV tapes? They synonymous "HD" on. And on tapes.
Everything else depends of the camera, which you used for comparison.
2. How is the quality in comparison to normal DV cams? This is synonymous to the respective camera on.
The main difference is the higher resolution.
3. When I watch the videos in real-time transfer, which format do I get then, synonymous DVAVI? No DV Avi, but usually a MPG2 transport stream.
4. Do I need special cassettes, or are they the normal Mini?
There are synonymous' special ', but the ordinary should do it synonymous.
See: Slashcam HD camcorder comparison database.
Antwort von kuhea:
Hello,
if you have the necessary players in Full HD, you is not the issue. The only correct choice is HD. Whether on tape or hard drive or memory chip, is matter of opinion. The picture quality is about 5 x as high as in normal PAL TV and synonymous to the 'normal' DV camcorder.
Greeting Kuhea
Antwort von PowerMac:
You do not HDCAM camera, right?
Antwort von Markus:
... DVCam ... HDCAM ... Often of Consumerfilmern (please do not negatively perceived) Abbreviation created, it already exists, and which then lead to misunderstandings.
DVCAM HDCAM
Antwort von comix:
I wanted to synonymous note, I have been wondering who in the Forum Slashcam HDCAM the word in the mouth;)
It plays a few leagues of all types of cameras to be discussed here ...
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Sebastian.mainzer
To your question about the calculator to AVC Editing:
there is less on the calculator so much as on the software implementation.
The number of computer clusters is not necessarily relevant, because the computing power is not the problem but the bottleneck is the access to the main memory.
Furthermore, although the processors largely operate independently, the performance for most applications is significantly lower than the sum of the computing capacity.
In the case of the Pentium IV is due to the high frequency long pipeline designed a much lower clock rate than the efficiency of AMD and PowerPC processors to monitor and a large part of the computer's capacity for conflict resolution of the pipeline are lost.
So you may come with a 2-core perfectly, if you have the appropriate software to use.
What concerns the computing power you can almost alone out:
The H.264 specification for HDTV Resolution1080p the Level 4 with a maximum data rate of 20 Mbit / s.
This data are used as CABAC Entrophiecodierung of approximately 80 MHz per picture for the pure processing of bit streams pay, so for a Bildwiderholrate of 25 Hz required processor speed of 2 GHz for real-time processing of the bitstream is.
On computing cores of the 2 GHz class is a real-time with good Bitstromverarbeitung and contemporary decoder implementations so accessible.
Preferably on AMD or PPC basis, because these processors have more registers available in the AVC dealing with a very important role.
To your question regarding the format conversion:
AVC has the advantage of one of the s.weitesten developed codecs to be. While MPEG-2 rather early start s.den had to go, is in MPEG 4 along the fault of MPEG2 has been learned and developed.
So you change this codec almost backwards in an MPEG-2-based processes, you have to be aware, that the advantages of a much more modern and better-developed codecs lost.
The Picture will be (at the same data rate) much worse.
Alternative, of course, is that you're in a higher transfer codec (MPEG2 but can not because it is in MPEG 2 is not higher).
In addition, in a cascading algorithms quite different artifacts can occur.
So it is not always guaranteed that the quality even in a higher quality codec into it, not worse.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Many certainly correct thoughts.
In practice, go with the already mentioned way of Bruno quite well: you take at least a Q6600, with halfway reasonable memory devices, and through contacts of the 2.4 Ghz loose on 3 GHz (I have 3.3 Ghz, which are possible). And invest a few euros in a deliberately oversized air cooler.
Antwort von WoWu:
Moin Wolfgang ..
Above all, I would but in a good software to invest ...
Greetings to Vienna
Antwort von wolfgang:
Eh - otherwise you have to get the bits and bytes with the Swiss pocketknife decompose, and this is more troublesome.
But here the performance profiles of some candidates is not soo bad. Although the cut programs that are available for choice, unfortunately, are becoming less and less.
Antwort von WoWu:
Because I give you right, but rather have a few really good editing programs, as a pile of scrap.
Synonymous, I believe that in a few years back the very cheap Programs, which are then well adapted.
That was synonymous so far. But the "nuts" really only one to crack, it just needs a good software company. And of course that is now synonymous the opportunity for good companies, the advantage to win.
Only I think is really important that once you focus on the real issue is directed, because the calls for just more computing power is enough and does not indicate the correct solution.
Clearly the most advanced H.264 codec, which we have ever had and it would be almost no one more run on systems on which he worked 5 years time but there are of course synonymous a ceiling, beyond which only makes limited sense.
And the experience of you and Bruno are important to the performance synonymous (synonymous to bottom out) to describe, because users are always recommended to ask a computer, in fact my system work, but there is a huge part of software.
The secret of a good editing system always consists of the optimal combination. (Also priced)
Antwort von wolfgang:
Especially for AVCHD editing, I would want more choices - but in fact there are beginners in the field, unfortunately, really only s.PC Pinnacle Studio, Vegas Movie Studio 8 Platinum Canopus Neo or (using the Canopus HQ) for AVCHD halfway to work. When the field gehobeneren ists then halt Vegas Pro 8 or Edius 4.6x (using the Canopus HQ).
LE does not seem to be developed next, Ulead MSP no longer synonymous - CS3 is no tricks to this day no AVCHD. It is and will remain relatively tight.
Antwort von heimax:
I can always find that a program is completely forgotten.
This is due to the old versions grasped, however, has PowerDirector CyberLink of version 7 in a very strong case for positive change.
AVCHD is better than editing with Studio 11, a liquid and no crashes. a real insider tip.
Greetings from Switzerland
Antwort von WoWu:
Good to hear, thanks for the hint.
I was already clear that CyberLink is currently one of the best codecs have, it was just not really clear whether they are synonymous in the NLE business.
I really only know of CL from the car ring ...
On what computer configuration you have it running?
Antwort von wolfgang:
Is this also in PowerDirector version 7 finally grown up - good to hear. The older versions were really problematic.
Which AVCHD material processing you exactly mean by that? And do you have experience with the included Blu Ray authoring?
EDIT: as far as I can, so is the version as a download-only version available, or? Apparently just appeared ...
Antwort von comix:
Many certainly correct thoughts.
In practice, go with the already mentioned way of Bruno quite well: you take at least a Q6600, with halfway reasonable memory devices, and through contacts of the 2.4 Ghz loose on 3 GHz (I have 3.3 Ghz, which are possible). And invest a few euros in a deliberately oversized air cooler. Hey, a little off-topic, but: Why is doing nothing on your blog? This is sometimes the most useful and best regards video blog - not only am I of the Page (and the impetus for my HV20-Purchase) excited.
Antwort von heimax:
Good evening WoWu
My calculator is of HP.
Processor: Intel Core (TM2) Quad 2.40GHz,
Memory: 3072 KB
graphics card: GeForce 8600GTS
Mainboard: ASZSTek
Wolfgang
I AVCHD material process of SonySR11 and CX7
Resolution1440 x 1080 and 1920 x 1080
In my calculator is still synonymous Ulead VideoStudio 11.5, Magix Video Studio 2008 Premium and Pinacle Studio 11 installed.
Since the program as you have correctly noted a very new, my experience is only 3 days old and therefore still at an experimental stage. However, even with the purchased version. Nevertheless, I'm happier than with the others.
With Blue Ray, I have no experience, because it is still lacking about the burner. Will I be next to me as soon as the prices have fallen a bit to purchase.
Greetings from the Zurich Oberland
Antwort von wolfgang:
Many certainly correct thoughts.
In practice, go with the already mentioned way of Bruno quite well: you take at least a Q6600, with halfway reasonable memory devices, and through contacts of the 2.4 Ghz loose on 3 GHz (I have 3.3 Ghz, which are possible). And invest a few euros in a deliberately oversized air cooler.
Hey, a little off-topic, but: Why is doing nothing on your blog? This is sometimes the most useful and best regards video blog - not only am I of the Page (and the impetus for my HV20-Purchase) excited. You mean well RUSSELS, I suppose, and not me. I run the video meeting as a forum for HDV and AVCHD, as does plenty of, he runs a blog, primarily on camcorder.
Antwort von comix:
Ach so. That's good, because you both Wolfgang says, and I use the URL to videotreffpunkt.com had in mind (because he has recommended it several times) ... synonymous as always;)
Antwort von wolfgang:
Russelsheim meeting point in the video is very active, almost his home forum. But questions about his blog you need to stop but please s.ihm itself. It's synonymous always a question of time, and things are not paid, but only made out for fun. Please do not stop to see.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Since the program as you have correctly noted a very new, my experience is only 3 days old and therefore still at an experimental stage. However, even with the purchased version. Nevertheless, I'm happier than with the others.
With Blue Ray, I have no experience, because it is still lacking about the burner. Will I be next to me as soon as the prices have fallen a bit to purchase.
You can indeed synonymous with a regular DVD Burners to burn AVCHD DVDs. Hmm, at least one user reported it after the first tests with the trial on serious crashes - blue screen - s.Ende of the burning process. The fast dealing with AVCHD on the other hand, now synonymous older 2-core machine is synonymous of him confirmed ...
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?postid=107063 # post107063
Antwort von heimax:
Right now I have a AVCHD DVD burned. UMD Menu With a duration of approximately 6 minutes. Results on the PS 3 viewed overwhelming. Absolut Easy burning. A Blue Ray DVD material was not successful.
It seems that with a fast machine AVCHD disc to burn problermlos are.
I'm staying tuned. Greetings from rainy Switzerland.
