Frage von xnetworker:
I'm looking for a digicam.
The format should be mini-DV. As a favorite is the Panasonic NV-GS500 or the SonyHC3. Is there perhaps alternative to? What can you recommend. Most recordings are made outside. Use on holiday. The color performance is good.
What can you recommend us?
Antwort von Markus:
Background:
Antwort von sk8connection:
I'm looking for a digicam.
The format should be mini-DV. As a favorite is the Panasonic NV-GS500 or the SonyHC3. .... PAL MiniDV or HDV?
gruß cj
Antwort von Duisburger:
I'm looking for a digicam.
The format should be mini-DV. As a favorite is the Panasonic NV-GS500 or the SonyHC3. ....
PAL MiniDV or HDV?
gruß cj The European models offer HDV and SD in PAL and not NTSC format.
The NV-GS500 SD and makes the HC3 HDV to SD and optional. Both use mini-DV tapes for recording.
Antwort von xnetworker:
but the HC7 is synonymous still up for debate.
I can only decide between icht all models.
GS500 - HC3 - HC7
Apart from the recording format, which would you choose?
Antwort von Markus:
... which would you choose? To do this, I can say nothing. None of these camcorders irritates me. ;-)
Maybe someone logs on to one or several of them have? If in doubt, you could synonymous make a list of what you s.der HC7 and the GS500 are like and what you do not like and then decide where the benefits that you are particularly important, prevail?
Antwort von xnetworker:
I just fall on the Comparison between the GS500 and HC7 at twilight in the home (candles and lamp dimmed) the HC7 has problems with focus. You can not make sharp. The GS500, however, has no problems.
But would say the GS500 for a slight green glow in the colors can be seen.
Or it may be a setting thing? Have already tried everything.
Antwort von Duisburger:
In the price range of s.knapp 800 euros, I would no longer be a model to invest only in SD can hold.
For 25% more you get the HD models are synonymous with SD recording, or so I would make, if necessary:
record in HDV! If required to spend in SD or HDV in the cut video in the desired format.
For me, SD is an outlet format, where I do not spend as much money to spend would.
Antwort von Neo2006:
This would be synonymous, I take as the main argument.
SD will not give much longer, then why even an expensive SD Model buy?
Antwort von hobbycut:
This would be synonymous, I take as the main argument.
SD will not give much longer, then why even an expensive SD Model buy? I think only when it's time comes. Just because the industry as a hype with their HD models, makes, this means far it is not the synonymous prevails.
Is there actually somewhere a direct comparison of the G500 with HC1, 3.7? Here on Slashcam there is only HD Cams im Test :-(
Antwort von tijuana:
hmm,
synonymous my digicam can record video in 640x480,
but I see it
not with my pal dv or HDV camera ... or should I?
gruß cj
Antwort von Eva Maier:
About the GS500 was already frequently reported
Where, then only the question of what you need the camera,
whether and how the videos then you want to edit, and this what you want after investing.
High resolution video content have the advantage that you then they themselves can convert to 720x576.
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Antwort von hobbycut:
About the GS500 was already frequently reported
/ E Yes, but never in comparison to HD cameras. And since the GS500 as a top model in the upscale consumer area counts, I wonder whether an HD Camera s.die image of such a reference comes. Resolution alone is not an argument. What is with sharpness and color fidelity? If an HD model s.die Lowlight performance of a 3CCD system up PAL? How strong are the motion artifacts described much really ... etc, etc.
Where, then only the question of what you need the camera,
whether and how the videos then you want to edit, and this what you want after investing.
/ E I do not belong to the class of "2 hours uncut baby pictures Filmer" ;-)
Antwort von Eva Maier:
I will be worthy of the times that you've already decided,
generally you should naturally invest in the future and how you in the various forums can recognize is synonymous in full swing.
So if you are, so to speak, in the regional team you will play virtually the only new technology. For amateurs, the good old woman another 10 years.
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Antwort von murks:
So if you are, so to speak, in the regional team you will play virtually the only new technology. For amateurs, the good old woman another 10 years.
/ E So my experience is rather the other way round and amateurs like to rush ill-new ( "early adopter"), while the regional team was pleased with proven technology longer stays (a $ 500 camcorder is quickly replaced, a few hundred thousand euros investments have only times depreciated) - in the professional class in the price eh capabilities far beyond the Comsumerbereichs lies.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
Economic aspects of course play a big role, but although I already had some discussions, why not abolish money in times of crisis in order to buy (eg concept had machines, etc.)
But what I wanted to say is that you if you want to stay in business is always one step ahead hasben solltest while I was in nostalgia synonymous Hobbyist can do.
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Antwort von Neo 2006:
Will you tell us really the HD may not enforce?
If you do, then you buy another wacker SD camcorders because they are soon no more:)
Antwort von Eva Meier:
Hab wieder mal Hard bread.
Sure HD will prevail.
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Antwort von Eva Maier:
Addendum:
Apart from that I do not own movies, I am always with the latest technology (which is my field) provides
and I've obviously synonymous a GS500 -;)
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Antwort von murks:
Will you tell us really the HD may not enforce?
If you do, then you buy another wacker SD camcorders because they are soon no more:) Yes, VHS is synonymous of DvD in 'digital quality' of the total market has been swept.
Historically it is also that there is no music cassettes any more, because the CD she has utterly beaten.
: P
Of course, CD and DVD are enforced, but this will soon cease to exist "is more than exaggerated scaremongering.
As long as there is no plasma 16:9 and HDV cams in the $ 200 area (because it's the mass market), one is not as synonymous of 'enforce' may speak.
Antwort von Eva Maier:
In Germany there are 40 million lt surveys Television, which must first be produced and ausgewchselt.
It lasts.
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Antwort von alvaro:
I have published 10 months SonyHC3 and see my pictures on a HDready Beamer (2.5 m diagonal) to. Fantastic!
Lately, I take with a Manfrotto 560B Monopod (with fluid cartridge!) To: Wobbling was yesterday!
Would I buy one before today, I would take my HC7.
mfG
Alvaro
Antwort von murks:
Addendum:
Apart from that I do not own movies, I am always with the latest technology (which is my field) provides
and I've obviously synonymous a GS500 -;)
/ E My statement referred synonymous rather hobbycut ...
You can have it one way or see HD will prevail. Not in vain to produce the major TV stations soon only in 16:9. The WDR is the first spring test HD broadcasts make.
From a consumer already on HD is any need to change themselves, but if you now buy a new cam should be, if one makes the 1000Euro can output HD films can be.
If necessary, you can yes the HD material is still in SD output * lol *
Antwort von Eva Maier:
But Mir is synonymous Boring -;)
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Antwort von murks:
Well then I say the HD is still only in SD and who is now filming is stupid and smells like wee-wee: D
Antwort von murks:
I have published 10 months SonyHC3 and see my pictures on a HDready Beamer (2.5 m diagonal) to. Fantastic!
Lately, I take with a Manfrotto 560B Monopod (with fluid cartridge!) To: Wobbling was yesterday!
Would I buy one before today, I would take my HC7.
mfG
Alvaro One could, of course, synonymous to buy from established Ausgabegeraet addictive.
If you do not have HD projector or television synonymous and has no plans in the next 3-4 years to move sowas brauch synonymous not 25% more for the option to shoot HD, but can be synonymous DV - rauszuschmeissen.
"Securing the Future" is always just a greasy Marketing descriptor is only the turnover s.Technikkram no real future will be a boost.
Antwort von hobbycut:
Addendum:
From a consumer already on HD is any need to change themselves, but if you now buy a new cam should be, if one makes the 1000Euro can output HD films can be.
You've made the point :-) Although I have not so fast s.die HD future believe (even my 2 years old Loewe LCD TV can not full HD) it will be sometime (?) Safe standard. However, if the price gap of classical DV Camera to a good HD model only 200-300 euros you have to purchase the good surely superior.
Thank Hobbycut
Antwort von Sputnik41182:
So I can say I did a year ago, the GS500. The many films, I'm not, but what I've filmed is of the picture quality is not bad. I would never synonymous digicam for 400 ¬ buy, because I am convinced that with the GS500 they can not keep up. For me is synonymous Mini DV or DV in question, this nonsense with SD cards, mini hard disks and DVD's in no way convinced me. Even if I called it 4 hours and more in order to film the best resolution, it can tell me it None s.das DV AVI rankommt. 13GB per hour, the film material must be somewhere ne significance. Sure to ne 40GB hard drive, I get about 3.5 hours DV quality movie in it. But I take as a holiday for 2 weeks, then I stop everything to me in front of the lens comes. Or I'm in the Carnival Association, so as I do, and movies for the meetings archive, come fast times 6-7 hours together. And? Has ne one hard drive, you can probably just a bad exchange. So that's a short slip.
I am currently very happy with the GS500. In comparison to what I know makes you super shots. Sure was synonymous for me last year already, the question about the purchase of an HD Cam. I have said to me back then not everyone has an HD television at home and can not enjoy it anyway, I did not until today. And then I thought the 1st HD cams are not as mature and have children's diseases.
So to make things short with the GS500 are you doing in my opinion, nothing wrong, but I would, despite everything in the future.
Gruß Stefan
Antwort von Eva Maier:
And always look beautiful Who wrote What does not simply Eva Maier.
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Antwort von Duisburger:
I would ... but despite all of the future.
Gruß Stefan That is unfortunately not the NV-GS500, there are 800 euro too much investment in obsolete technology.
Antwort von tibor:
So I have the NV 500,
She is wonderful, so that was underway in Australia and did great shots can do.
Among the mini dvs a very good choice, synonymous with no HD.
In 5 years can be a new HD with purchase.
Mature TODAY NV 500th
Antwort von mschaa:
Hello.
I have the GS300 Comparison to HC7.
I did last year, the NV-GS300 bought and was very satisfied. Very nice color, good resolution, autofocus and image stabilizer.
Then I Christmas an HD-ready projector (720er) were purchased. At 2.10 meters width (not diagonal) is the Resolutionder GS300 s.Ende. It looks to me clearly that it "only" SD quality.
As a result, I last week bought the HC7.
The difference in the picture is quite immense on the beamer. Thus a sharp picture and good, I have the projector had not yet.
I was really surprised.
The image stability of the HC7 seems to me a bit better, the autofocus in normal light in about the same ...
The colors are very good - because I see no difference at 3-Chipper.
The handling has two cameras so your little disadvantage, since much about the menu goes.
However, the small wheel in the Sonyerheblich better than the joystick, for example, the GS300 manual focus.
I'm from the change in quality and in any event, enthusiastic.
Nevertheless, what is the GS300 or a good cam ...
But I would draw back to HC7.
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von diggie:
Hi Tibor,
because you simply must I oppose. Especially of traveling abroad, I would now already the best video footage to bring. And that is currently HDV easy. A quantum leap, what sharpness, resolution, image noise, etc. are concerned. The image quality is not content with DV reach. And since I do not know whether I am in 5 years again come s.den resort, it is now the most modern technology. And, for me, HDV with Vegas 7 a good process. When I first made the recordings s.großen Panasonic plasma have seen, because I knew that my decision to enter directly into the HDV was the right one!
Greeting
Detlev
Antwort von diggie:
No matter which camcorder you decide are important to the original warranty card for later redemption of the 24-month Manufacturer Warranty for Sony or Panasonic. Personally, I would be synonymous for a HDR HC7E decide.
Antwort von Duisburger:
The GS500 owners with legal satisfied with her camcorder, because it makes good recordings. I was with my old GS400 synonymous.
But if the former standard - DV filmmakers times, even in HDV filmed they have noted an unexpected increase in quality.
Antwort von hobbycut:
Hello.
I have the GS300 Comparison to HC7.
Super, finally Tacheles ;-)
Then I Christmas an HD-ready projector (720er) gekauft.Bei 2.10 meters width (not diagonal) is the Resolutionder GS300 s.Ende. It looks to me clearly that it "only" SD quality.
Hmm, this is the best comparison? Sure, I would expect better sharpness, is not art in more pixels and good optics.
The colors are very good - because I see no difference at 3-Chipper.
As I wonder whether a projector screen really delivers the best color? What is a "right" LCD TV?
What with the much-movement artifacts from?
Gruss, Hobbycut
Antwort von Dani_74:
As a good half a year my Canon XM2 abandoned the spirit (drive fault), I stood before the decision is synonymous NV-GS500 or equal to HDV. I was then for the NV-GS500 decided. Only one was HDV slow in traffic, but the main reason was that I most do for other productions, and therefore the optimal quality standard in the current search. I have no doubt the HDV (at least on Full-HD or whatever that means) a much better quality or at least the resolution provides. But I doubt it a good HDV camera, which not all of HD herausholt after compression into SD format, nor really is the better quality. Mini DV compressed so by a factor 6 and HDV s.Ende down effect has a compression factor of 20 or more. Not to mention of the difficulties in processing. OK if you s.Ende the material on DVD vervielfälltigt the difference is probably small. For me, it was still half a year ago to switch to HDV just too early today I would no longer quite so sure. But I'm with my NV-GS 500 more than satisfied, they might not have the same resolution as an HDV cam, but I know now that I can rely on them and they told me still synonymous in extermen situations (action, chase scenes on the piste) Great pictures.
If only times my mustard, if I then look at what it is HDV or dereinst, change should be equal to true HD in the development area can almost only "still" better ;-). Or cheaper 'stinginess is cool ":-(
Antwort von mschaa:
Hello.
Well, the Comparison of the Beamer is holding my application.
I still have no HD Television ...
And the difference on the projector is really so great - so I would not have expected.
I'm honestly just have not had the picture on a television to see ... that I should make time - to find a visual comparison to make.
This is of course subjective.
Oh yes - on my monitor (MacBookPro and iMac) will see the HD movies synonymous very much better ...
The colors can be with an actual projector compare very well - because both cameras are so on the same device projected.
And really - the colors are very good. I have also noticed that the colors in strong contrast is not so controlled (for example black cat on the grass in the sun - because green is the natural variety of Sony).
This is on the laptop etc. so obviously synonymous to watch.
Motion artifacts, I could not be identified.
The subject was cats in the garden ... of course, and you move the Camera mitzieht.
But as I said, was only a short test whether the camera is working and whether the quality "for me" so much better is that I use for the extra cost of around 700 euros (the GS300 have sold) would like to keep the camera.
For me a clear YES.
Also, the processing of the Sony, I find much better. More metal - and value synonymous something serious - which I very much welcome.
Soon is a holiday - and then tested properly ...
Nevertheless, the camera obviously synonymous an investment in the future. Because neither are HD or Blue-ray burner is not available / affordable.
Then you need a player and a corresponding device.
I make it stop laptop s.Beamer. That is very good, but can be permanent only an interim solution.
Sliced is s.Mac, then back onto tape.
And if the appropriate equipment is cheap enough to be of tape HD / Blue-ray burn.
It is "only" a hobby ...
Greeting
michael
Hello.
I have the GS300 Comparison to HC7.
Super, finally Tacheles ;-)
Then I Christmas an HD-ready projector (720er) gekauft.Bei 2.10 meters width (not diagonal) is the Resolutionder GS300 s.Ende. It looks to me clearly that it "only" SD quality.
Hmm, this is the best comparison? Sure, I would expect better sharpness, is not art in more pixels and good optics.
The colors are very good - because I see no difference at 3-Chipper.
As I wonder whether a projector screen really delivers the best color? What is a "right" LCD TV?
What with the much-movement artifacts from?
Gruss, Hobbycut
Antwort von Eva Maier:
I think the Comparison DV <> HDV limps a little, because of course, is the picture of HDV is much better. One should perhaps compare HDV <> HDV prefer.
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Antwort von mschaa:
I think the Comparison DV <> HDV limps a little, because of course, is the picture of HDV is much better. One should perhaps compare HDV <> HDV prefer.
/ E But this is somewhat risky for the GS500 Comparison to HC7.
Ie DV to HDV camcorders.
The thread of times early s.lesen ... ;-)
Greeting
Michael
Antwort von hobbycut:
If interested:
yesterday to
http://hdr-hc7.info/
test footage of Sony HC7 and loaded on my LCD (only HD-ready) television viewing - and I must admit that I'm impressed ;-)
PS: Why are so few websites with test shots? A few seconds of it already ...
Antwort von wolfgang:
But I doubt it a good HDV camera, which not all of HD herausholt after compression into SD format, nor really is the better quality. However, it has normally. The HDV material has very different processing resources, as SD material. Especially if you runterkonvertiert to SD, you get an SD-Picture, which is really good. It has therefore for the final image quality advantages in HDV to film - if only synonymous deliver SD / needs.
And test shots but the trunk has enough on the web (but presumably there are now some devices, there are not represented).
http://www.fxsupport.de/
