Frage von zabo:
My daughter is now almost 2 years and we are more and more firmly, it would be nice if some episodes, we could record.
Therefore we are looking for a Cam
1) without a lot of gadgets, because no professionals
2) short films include
3) as small as possible and easy
4) somewhat synonymous in the room makes good movies
4) and maybe a bit forward-looking
we examine the Wollmilchsau or are these?
A reputable photo store has the Sanyo Xacti HD1 recommended price on the internet about 430 ¬. but if you read the test report
lies the problem in the HD technology.
for example, how should we archive if you burn to DVD, one loses again all the benefits of HD, so you would need an HD burner
Also they should have problems with Lowlight (but this is relevant for non-professional filmmakers)
PS: We have a PC with 1 GB Ram and a normal PalTV
would be here a while?
http://www.ciao.de/Camcorder_538914_2-300_bis_499_euro~o4
Antwort von Duisburger:
This is just
a toy. But similar themes come here again as:
http://forum.slashcam.de/viewtopic.php?p=223245 # 223245
Antwort von zabo:
I understand you correctly
du haelen of the Sanyo nothing
and would require a HDV Cam recommend and what (in my standards)
Antwort von Aljoscha.Niko:
Depending on where your cap is ... Very good quality for new entrants have been around for about 300 ¬: Panasonic NV-GS80. The hab ich synonymous, PictureQuest has ne nice color, lots of zoom and focus quite nice ... And she has at the moment the most popular recording format: MiniDV.
Antwort von charles ügo:
buy you a panasonic gs 280 or 320th
everything else you'll find with the many many fosu
other threads.
gruß cj
Antwort von zabo:
Depending on where your cap is ... Very good quality for new entrants have been around for about 300 ¬: Panasonic NV-GS80. The hab ich synonymous, PictureQuest has ne nice color, lots of zoom and focus quite nice ... And she has at the moment the most popular recording format: MiniDV. Image quality is not enough "
I've bought the camcorder because he was the best entry-level segment is truncated.
The recording and processing are flawless. Animal voices are beautifully recorded.
With a little style and zoomed image were color and sharpness have been okay.
When shooting in the room had the shots a strong yellow tinge had.
Impossible, it was a park landscape Wide Anglezu film.
In the Ford area of the sign was not readable and was in the rear area has a fixed horizontal Aluschi to a laundry and linen s.wie moves.
With a slight swing on the green grass, the surface part of a single green space without any structure.
Manual exposure settings s.der also have not helped.
Tundra
30.04.2007, 13:55 clock
"excellent price-performance ratio"
I have the GS-80 tested one weeks now, and am more than thrilled. Picture and sound quality are excellent. The running noise barely noticeable. And the optical Image Stabilization are there in this price range only for this device. That was ultimately synonymous purchase decision. Even the menu is very simple and transparent, without instructions for use. Conclusion: A perfect tool for everyday holiday and family films.
Who has right now would be super-price 271 ¬
Antwort von zabo:
buy you a panasonic gs 280 or 320th
everything else you'll find with the many many fosu
other threads.
gruß cj synonymous reads well for 450 ¬
Professional camcorder to Toppreis "
first 3CCD camera.
Super Picture when playing s.41er LED TV.
For this price and unattainable for fast times in the pocket and quick-firing top.
Rober.B.
23.05.2007, 15:58 clock
"Good 3CCD camcorder with restrictions" (1 answer)
The GS320 had only yesterday received and therefore can only describe my experience so far:
The Camera is the function of the extent and quality of her recordings in principle be highly recommended. My decision for the GS320 instead GS230 fell because of the optical image stabilizer (OIS) and the Leica lens instead of a Panasonic lens of the 230er.
The OIS works really well and is similar (tested) synonymous relatively rough Wobbler beautiful. The lens makes quite a good job - so far no unwanted reflections and glare detected. The 10x optical zoom ranges clearly. An often-cited shortcoming of the GS320 is the lack of Mic-In and DV - In. The built-in microphone is designed for home use I think it's good enough - a low noise (tape drive) is audible, but is not really on. Also the zoom function of the microphone is working satisfactorily. The DV - In is a matter of taste. Personally, I let my "works" either s.tape (where "snapshots"), or I secure the data after the cut on DVD's or hard drive. A clear shortcoming is in the Camera Lowlight-(artificial) recordings, which - as synonymous with automatic with manual setting - a clear picture noise appears. The NightShot function provides impressive results and the brilliance is synonymous (presumably by 3CCD) really impressive. The included battery is to say the cheek and concise enough for 25-30 minutes recording (without zoom). The manual setting options are, both in the Still Image as synonymous in the video function, and comprehensive enough. For manual focus would, however, a wheel desirable, since the setting via the joystick is not going very fast, this problem would, however, probably with a manual lens removal.
Conclusion:
+ Color
+ Image quality in good light conditions
+ Usability
+ Features
+ Leica Lens
+16:9 Screen + 4:3 Viewfinder
+ Menu
+ OIS (Optical Image Stabilization)
+ Zoom Microphone
Lowlight ~ image quality (strong noise)
~ manual zoom via joystick
Image noise at moderately low tungsten
No-Mic-In
no-DV - In
-no firewire cable included
All in all, it is just after the last price at redcoon, certainly a recommendable device for users demanding hobby. The chips are, as far as the relevant forums to trust most, the same as for the GS500, which yes, the top amateur in the field. For professional recordings (films, documentaries ,...) is the camcorder due to its relatively low Lowlight capability and the lack of mic-in probably is not the first choice, but with a little imagination and improvisation, he may be synonymous here for an alternative not too collide purse dar.
Buy recommendation with restrictions (I could choose again, I would spend more money and the GS500
Antwort von zabo:
Panasonic now what?
s.alle are MINIDVs, right?
b) why you need a DV in?
c) Lowlight problem for us is negligible, is not it?
Antwort von Daigoro:
who now has legal None of the two naturally. ;)
The first with the negative evaluation seems to be no deeper knowledge of the matter to have (yellow stitch for interior shots sounds very much like a lack of White balance) but everything critical need to disassemble after the motto 'for 300 euros but must it be quality television', the second is obviously too much of the first steps taken cinematic.
I would say just buy the part if you do not hurt the coal and leg dir noch ne Analog Auto Focus, with the pictures for you then do's gallery.
Starting times and to the family photos for professional photographers look past (the stories are all about snap sooner or later does not really soooo geil and presentable - dear times NEN fuffi for hochgestylte dinger high output).
Antwort von wolfgang:
The Sanyo Xacti HD1, I feel just as problematic - that is neither fish nor fowl. Why? Well, partly because they are in HD Resolutionfilmt but it does with 30 fps, and also uses mpeg4. And 30 fps are available for our TV systems PAL halt is not really compatible, and the recording is in mpeg4 format, which no other system is expected to use next. The consequence would be that the material only with this camcorder can see? And what if the times you broke?
My advice would be: if it is really reasonably future proof (high resolution) should be, then it is one of today's conventional systems handln - and that would be either AVCHD or HDV. Recommended would be here about the Canon HV20, or synonymous, the SonyHC3/HC5. The devices cost a little more, but some specific problems such as 30 fps and the fact of an absolute exotics so then you just do not.
Less problematic is HDV, especially from the viewpoint of video editing and processing. If this is not planned, then you can use AVCHD to synonymous.
The storage of the material would be different: in the HDV tape-based devices, you highlight the mini-DV tape, and the camcorder can be synonymous of play from there. When played on AVCHD to hard drive, playback options are either from the camcorder, or s.PC (with certain players), or synonymous on the SonyPS3.
One can make the material - particularly of AVCHD but synonymous of the Sanyo Xacti HD1 - very well on normal blank DVDs burn, keep a data DVD and not as a movie DVD (not HD, as you correctly). HDV is holding something twice as big, is synonymous, but there is less on a disc. But be careful with DVDs, which are synonymous like defective and are not for eternity. Ideally, you highlight the ever halt on multiple disks to ensure that the valuable material is not lost.
Long term, you probably will be an HD-ready TV to buy, it is synonymous to view in better quality so not an issue anymore. And HD DVD / BluRay burners are even cheaper, the devices come erst
The alternative would be to get a regular mini-DV camcorder to buy - but it's a shame, because then the material is no longer in high Resolutionhat. Would be good here but the 3-chip of Panasonic. Here's some price data, taken from a recent discussion on Slashcam when it comes to a similar question:
http://forum.slashcam.de/hd-brauche-ich-das-vt49872.html?highlight=panasonic
Panasonic NV GS 300 ==> about 685, - ¬
Panasonic NV GS 500 ==> about 766, - ¬
Canon HV20 ==> about 929, - ¬
SonyHC 3 ==> about 896, - ¬
SonyHC 5 ==> about 859, - ¬
SonyHC 7 ==> ca.1129, - ¬
If it is still cheaper than the 3 chip, then I would with the chip of Panasonic and Sony reputation.
Antwort von scream:
Hi Wolfgang,
because there was still the Canon HV10 for ~ 750 ¬ (HDV).
Is there a reason why you did not mention this?
Many greetings,
Karol
Antwort von charles ügo:
The only reason not to consider is the fact that the HV20 successor device like this is - and the HV20 in the tests really performing well. But it is true, synonymous the HV10 is a very good device, has in the line resolution from the beginning s.sich emerged as very good. Would be synonymous still a good option for relatively limited money to a safer future HDV device to come.
And another thing: the ideal camcorder for any woman is not yet available. The needs are just but different. Man / woman should be the device itself synonymous in hand, look how the feeling is.
Panasonic now what?
s.alle are MINIDVs, right?
b) why you need a DV in?
c) Lowlight problem for us is negligible, is not it? The above Pans are all mini-DV - which is synonymous ok.
DV-in you need for 2 things:
- If the material is cut - and it is in the best possible quality as DV tape play back at will. We can and will, of course, synonymous DVDs make (while producing mpeg2), but they are somewhat lossy than if the material on DV tape lifts.
- If you cut through the firewire preview on an external monitor with control will be used synonymous DV-in, and gives the device from your camcorder to a TV. That has some sense when one wants to control the colors.
No, lowlight is for indoor shots, it will make the child, is of interest. Is this behavior lowlight too low, or the light is too low, like grieseln devices, or separate the colors are no longer very good at. With sunlight almost all the devices are good, especially the 3chiper make the SD-field a very good color separation. But inside that separates the wheat from the chaff more.
Whether one's assets lowlight of a camcorder is sufficient, but is rather a subjective question that depends roughly synonymous whether you inside a lot or little film wants. My tip: Media Device in the market in the hand, if a monitor is connected - and deliberately at times synonymous darker places in the area go there and see how the picture looks (obs vergrieselt how well the colors still split in applications).
Antwort von charles ügo:
presumably because the HV10 except a good image (if there is sufficient light)
too many minus points.
...
and the HC3 is in the range out, but there
slightly less with the HC5.
....
in sd / dv area, I would not be more than 500, - invest
because as soon as the lands probably nächste-hdv/avchd cam-generation,
if the price goes so next (HV10 in january 1100, - now 750, -)
gruß cj
Antwort von charles ügo:
ps. the lowlight capabilities cams are already important
christmas so when filming only the candles s.sind
and not the baustrahler!
Unfortunately, the consumer-HDV cams synonymous all their trouble
with little light.!
gruß cj
Antwort von wolfgang:
Good, yes, the HV10 has been discussed quite synonymous:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=2790
The HV20 hold much more interest has, and probably a big seller to be:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=3445
But again, it is of course synonymous without HDV comes to halt s.was you want, and synonymous to spend what you like. For lowlight behavior should still say that the synonymous herein Pansonic SD camcorder is not necessarily the yellow from the egg are.
Antwort von znieh:
Hi,
the HV10 is still underestimated.
The image sharpness is enormous.
What are Lowlight: After Canon MV200i, MV30i, MVVX25i has the best Lowlightverhalten, much better than me after reading the forums had feared. Also, the drive noise is not so present.
The minus points are different:
1. The handling is getting used to, this is the Camera sauklein;
2. No HDMI, though the picture on our plasma is extremely sharp.
Plus points:
1. Many manual intervention options
2. Good stabilizer (optical)
3. Good photo function
I see the HV20 is not synonymous as the successor to the HV10, but as a different format.
And the price is hot ...
MfG
Antwort von Jan:
The first experience of the two user contributions are delicious, I tell about this time but rather nothing more.
Why were you the HD 1 recommended?, Possibly because the camera there is a shop keepers, and the company necessarily looking for a customer in order to avoid the worn articles. Meanwhile there are already A and the new HD 2nd Sellers like to sell synonymous what has gone, and what s.meisten & commission income, is nothing new in my industry.
The HV 10 is now a Preistip likely so to ¬ 700 subject, that is renowned for a HD camera is not bad.
I had unfortunately already a customer of the HV 10 to return wanted
to schlummrig is not their strength, the HD sharpness is suddenly gone, and the noise is too abruptly. Unfortunately, it has no accessory shoe synonymous, well it could be a bottom of light (tripod threaded) use, like SonyHVL NH 10th
A camera with a very bright, sharp, noise-free with a 1 / 50 sec (Auto) for making light sleep - there is not in the price range, even when I have the ¬ 3000 HDV SonyFX 7, a head light to use - if I am in such a situation yet well see what will. The filmmakers want to, unfortunately, many do not understand.
Future-proof is a very dangerous word in the video, HDV, I think less in 3-5 years, the past (unfortunately, probably because of the MiniDV cassette), AVCHD perhaps a little longer, but may well be that in a few years, a new system on the market,
and the now the sole developer Sonyheisst (rumor has it again - yes would be synonymous with nothing new Sonyals eternal outsider).
There are now newer codecs, the H.264 (AVCHD) suggest that this will be in 2 years even wilder receives. Well wait times.
If you then but the early purchase of HD equipment in sight, take the HV 10, otherwise the Panasonic GS 320 or SonyHC 96 - so my tip, for less money the already mentioned Panasonic GS 80th
VG
Jan
Antwort von zabo:
Now I'll only handle everything:
1) lack of time, I want the films s.liebsten only s.TV Profile
2) and without great to edit archive
3) Also, the camera is not too big and heavy
what would then conclude your purchase recommendation (500e I am naturally rather than 900 ¬)?
zu2) if I understand it correctly, there esbei HDV cameras have the problem that when I look at the films on DVD archive, I have a quality loss had virtually the udn HDV advantage dissolve
the other is my PC with 512 RAM and 160GB too weak or has too little space, right?
Antwort von Edman82:
I will every moment and papa ;-) hab me 2 weeks before the Canon HV20 worried. if you have a hd-ready TV set did - a clear recommendation of me. you connect the cam via HDMI and see super shots. archivierst at cheap mini dv tapes and you should still lust and get temperamental s.schneiden - macbook (since it is iMovie HD) or s.pc magix video deluxe or Premiere Elements. and in the near future will blueray player brennder and affordable!
if you do not have any hd-ready TV set and has no wish to cut - is the simplest solution of a camcorder records on dvd - DVD after recording just in dvd - player and play ...
Antwort von zabo:
I will be every moment papa
all the best children are demanding, but sweet archivierst at cheap mini dv tapes
but you take it on a memory stick, as are the data on MiniDV (you do not lose the advantage of HD or
PC needs large capacity) .... is the simplest solution of a camcorder records on dvd
and what would you recommend there?
Antwort von Daigoro:
what would then conclude your purchase recommendation (500e I am naturally rather than 900 ¬)?
If you have no more than 500 euros, then type no more than 500 euros.
With the Camera's alone is not enough.
230er Panasonic or 320 (which have recently seen the Bloedmark and there were 30 euros or so between the two?) + Extra battery (ebay) + tripod + bag / suitcase.
Before you come to his DVD recorder to attack, first read the article here:
http://www.videoaktiv.de/content/view/211/45/
If you still think the same on DVD is' easy ', nothing speaks against.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... but you take it on a memory stick, as are the data on MiniDV This statement is probably related to the HV20, and HDV camcorder as she takes on to MiniDV tapes.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von zabo:
Thanks for the great help
Please apologize if I may still find something wrong interpretation:
1) when I make a HDV Camera to buy (Canon or Sony) that I am about 900 ¬ would cost, I would be prepared for the future (although it viell. in 5 years something better already exists) - it would be small and light - and she takes on miniDV, which I entered the shelves kann.Anschauen can I get it by getting the Cam directly s.den normal TV or HDTV connect later (where the HDTV is a compartment for the miniDV there). But my PC enough Edit Füs not right (3500 +, 512 Ram)
2) Therefore, one could argue, I still stick with a normal DV camera, the synonymous recording on mini DV. Either you archived the tapes (tapes are cheap) or you can burn it to DVD (but not necessary?). After editing s. PC would be possible, but here, right?
Would you viell. here again 2 Proposals for a Cam? I have the Canon MVX 450 or SonyHC 96 in the Watch List.
DV cameras are synonymous handy and easy. One always reads Hemdtaschengröße.Trifft of this is only for HDV cams or for all?
Antwort von Daigoro:
DV cameras are synonymous handy and easy. One always reads Hemdtaschengröße.Trifft of this is only for HDV cams or for all? Shirt pockets? Thus, no more than this and Co. Aiptek camcorder pseudo-intentioned.
A DV or HD camcorder finally takes a good optics / electronics / drive.
Sowas cost his place.
Go have a look into a photo shop or Bloedmarkt with you in the vicinity and take a look at the parts in real life at times. The whole rumtheoretisiere here brings nothing but synonymous, if you have never ne camera in his hand did.
Antwort von iotatau:
Would you viell. here again 2 Proposals for a Cam? Here is a slightly eccentric idea. In April I bought on eBay a Nokia N93. The first N93 with material produced DVD was in the family enthusiasm. The mother, grandparents and other relatives are the technical characteristics of the tool largely no preference - the main thing is that there is plenty of action with the junior in the scenes. Sure, the nose hulls professionals on the quality of the N93 outputs, but it seems to me for family purposes suffice 640x480 @ 30 fps is enough for a conventional TV. The N93 can shoot in situations where almost all camcorder fail. It fits into a pocket and is also synonymous phone, PDA, mobile surfing with Wi-Fi support, etc. In a miniSD card with 2 GB fit two hours MPEG-4-clips. The transfer to the PC is easy, the material is passable with the editing program of choice reprocessable.
Antwort von Jan:
Well now will probably already be ready, all the best Zabo.
Easy s.den Television can all connect to either the SD (standard definition) Group (eg HC 96 & GS 320) via RCA & S-Video, HDV and even via component cable (HV 10) and HDMI (HV 20) . You do not need to have somewhere to play.
MiniDV quality is not bad, purely theoretically even better than HDD, DVD & SD camcorder. (frames & complete higher data rate).
Yes an HD movie on a standard DVD (MPEG 2), with a normal 576i PAL DVD Players & Recorders viewed, brings almost nothing, because the devices stop with the low resolution work, a few good models can inflate the signal, but not always looks good.
If HD unit soon in the purchase date, then take a high resolution. HV 10 now so about 750 ¬.
Normally, no device has a slot MiniDV, but then if it will violently expensive as the example. :
HVR M 25 Take but do not 450er.
Which system, exactly how many years "durchhält" can only say the crystal ball ...
VG
Jan
Antwort von JMitch:
I vesuche just to find a solution
Basically advise all HD Cam, with the problem at the moment I can see the best films do not even s.PC edit, but anyway I do not necessarily want.
I would cost around 900 ¬
I suppose a DV cam, I could even edit
Cost to 400-500 ¬
Everything has advantages: therefore, I'm still not next
Preliminary nor banal questions: both variants (DV and HD Cams) but I can play directly to TV s.den connect-then run the cams with Battery or electricity?
play all DVD players today MIniDVs off when I use these to insert the DVD player? or it may be because the player with the format problems?
Jan if I understand correctly, it brings an HD movie on mini DV in DVD player, not much, because you take advantage of the HD does not see
what would you take?
Antwort von JMitch:
Guck Dir times this
Antwort von wolfgang:
both variants (DV and HD Cams) but I can play directly to TV s.den connect-then run the cams with Battery or electricity?
Typically, either - with battery or grid connection.
play all DVD players today MIniDVs off when I use these to insert the DVD player? or it may be because the player with the format problems?
DVD Player does not play mini-DV that are mini-DV tapes, DVD disks however.
;)
Sorry, could not stand again ... then you probably meant that the current DVD player only material in SD playback resolution (720x576). The high-resolution format of a HDV camera (1440x1080) is of the conventional DVD players do not play that you have to convert down to SD. Players that can play high definition material, but there are more and more - not only are the conventional DVD player.
Jan if I understand correctly, it brings an HD movie on mini DV in DVD player, not much, because you take advantage of the HD does not see
You can choose from an HDV camera via a cable connection (component, HDMI) simultaneously in a high-resolution HD-Ready go. There is of course quite a lot, because the higher Resolutionauf this vision devices can see yes. You can leave a HDV Camera Cable Connection (SVHS, VHS) synonymous to a conventional SD-view TV - but there you have only the normal Resolutiondes TVs.
Vielleicth you confused by the fact that both HDV and DV camcorder synonymous to the mini-DV tape recording. If, however, so that it is holding only a matter of which there exists Aufzeichnungsart.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
I had written "device" not DVD player, announced that it is a MiniDV Camera a cassette (tape) is used, a DVD and DVD content is, I had vorrausgesetzt.
But there are already devices like the M 25, where the picture via HDMI output can directly of MiniDV tape, so ichs've listed here - only pigs expensive halt.
Yes clearly, you can choose how you want your device with a small battery, but soon you will prefer your power cord connected to the television show.
3 GHz, 512 Ram, 160 GB HDD free?
And your calculator is not spitzenmäßig, but would vary by program synonymous for HDV rich, I think there Magix 1 Ghz minimum for HDV to. But for software issues is here more experienced users than me. The native HD editing to the PC & Mac like the best computer equipment would have been - is well known.
The HV 10 at the moment costs around 700 ¬ not 900 ¬, even in my shop, it cost 799 ¬!
If you do not want HD, I would stick to my tip, say 96 or HC SonyDCR Panasonic NV GS 320th
VG
Jan
Antwort von JMitch:
if one looks up the comparison, it must be almost the HC10 and HDV take-the difference is very krass
Antwort von zabo:
sorry meant the Canon HV 10, costs about 730 ¬
Rating:
"High quality designer camcorder at a fair price"
Did the HV 10 after a long search finally ordered. stood as an alternative to the SonyHC3 or HC7. Due to the händlings and better video than the HC7, I finally decided for the Canon. The handling is extremely Board Secure, and easy with with each finger to operate. The processing seems hochwertig.Schade I just think that the Battery 40 min. holds, and the stronger BP15 only 60 min. Also, the camcorder to date from the Manufacturer Miter only a 1GB memory card have been tested. When you insert a 4GB card will lead to problems, which until now I can not confirm. The design is beautiful and much more pleasant for me as the "underlying" camcorder. The lack of connection of an external Microphone does not bother me because I am an "amateur filmmakers" bin. And if you opt for such a small cam decides I do not want to lug a Micro. Disturbing, however, is the lack of HDMI Output.deshalb probably cheaper price.Zur playing a recording s.HD Television, I can only comment: WOW! like Discovery HD. Genuine empfehlenswert.FAZIT: who is part of a design with very good qualities for a very fair price wants, lies with the HV 10 is absolutely secure. Disadvantages: expensive and little accessories are not to get anywhere.
synonymous and one riesenlob that you replied to me so patiently!
Antwort von zabo:
I think this is viell. s.sinnvollsten-I go with us or Kappenberger Promarkt and hope that the stock cams to make them live to see times
The following I have encountered:
1) all seem to lowlight HD or DV-optimal zusein
2) if for Slashcam the test report reads Canon HV10 is so critical that dieCam bad in your hand:
The party-and filmmakers will leave with the other hand, a great HV10 camcorder, which
can always be comfortable and can have in return far worse in hand than the entire competition (it must be just so much to say). 3) but still important-what I will actually only take things spontaneously, like my daughter plays, etc.
Camera can just turn on auto-select and losfilmen or you need to recruit more specifically
if so, is still the HD Cam to recommend?
Antwort von scream:
Camera can just turn on auto-select and losfilmen Yes.
Regards,
Karol
Antwort von zabo:
I was yesterday when Promarkt: Conclusion: synonymous to me to have HD-advised they had the Panasonic GS 549 and 320 for the SonyHC5 for 999 ¬ here. Both were well in hand.
The Sonyist at Slashcam not yet tested, only synonymous came out January 2007.
Even if I repeat viell.: ok, I suppose an HD Camera
Canon HV 10 (which is really worse than the competition in hand-this will probably be synonymous for the HV20 apply)), 20 or the AGM-SonyHC5 what would you, if ye only amateur filmmakers wäret prefer?
Moreover, because I want to start breeding, I will be synonymous in the flat film
Antwort von Daigoro:
Even if I repeat viell..
Are you doing, a clear indication is that you know all the arguments and buy you now need to decide.
If you are all pros and contras durchkauen want a thousand times and the eierlegende Wollmilchkamera looking for is your child in retirement before you for a Camera've decided.
Antwort von zabo:
true, but what is hereby
Panasonic HDC SD 1EG
"Too good to be true"
I have long dreamed of a camera in top-Picture-and-sound quality.
The colors are gorgeous, thanks 3CCD technology. The Auto Focus is not so easy to confuse as Sony. Handling joystick - it is synonymous manually focus without focus ring to snap. Everything is somehow so compact, the buttons are arranged well, the shooting is easy of the hand.
But HDTV is just interlaced images, ie with fields, progressive not possible. Not even 720p25, let alone anything higher. On modern television sets will be interpolated. Nevertheless, top-quality, but not 100%. The light is synonymous super. Hardly the picture noise.
Sound: Here I am happy. SD Card = no tape or DVD sound on the video. Or? Wrong! The chip is a fan of chilled. Thus, there is still no perfect camera for indoor shots without noise.
Nevertheless, the camera is recommended, because it is better than what else is so s.Markt.
I personally see as a drawback that it is archived on SD, I can only archived when I have games on PC and there DVDbrenne (again with the disadvantage that I miss the benefit of HD), which is my PC problems well prepared, therefore, mini DV because others probably best
Antwort von zabo:
Now I have the test reports of Slashcam the HV10, 20 read, of the Sony there is unfortunately no. But now I find it even harder to decide. Perhaps Jan, which is apparently a photo business has help me
My primary concern is that I quite spontaneously, without much set almost automatic setting may losfilmen
HV20: yes here is the written test report that the handling was quite awkward keyword: Focus Assist and Peakignfunktion. No idea if I ever need
HV10: here is a negative point of the Cam Hochkantstellung described on Peaking etc. is so received less
HC5: Sorry, no reviews found
So wat nu
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Handling relatively complicated ... as a negative point Hochkantstellung of the Cam ... For such a large part rather subjective assessments, I would not be based solely on statements of other leave. S.besten go to one of the major dealers, say the cameras are there even times in the hand and you'll quickly realize what you are and what is not.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von scream:
HV10: here is a negative point of the Cam Hochkantstellung described on Peaking etc. is so received less
Because sooner or later you always buy a tripod, it is absolutely no preference was for a design has the Cam.
Do you have the money for the Canon HV20 - selling you. Have you more opportunities and fewer problems for example, an extra video light or n 'extra s.zu Micro Close.
Wilt thou not so much you spend buying the HV10. I've synonymous and me is the hand has not fallen. On Wednesday comes my Velbon tripod and then the camcorder out of me look like an egg. ;)
Regards,
Karol
PS. Also you can freehand the HV10 for a long time keep quiet. WE my friend has a water spider hunting the cocoon themselves away to see it put into action. All I have just freehand with the HV10 recorded and this is escaped ->
Antwort von zabo:
strong film, but no one turns with automatic transmission, but because you have to have settings, right?
The trend
now, I would tend
to the HV10, because so much already, I will not have to recruit
and I need Focus Assist, Peaking?
PS: what could possibly be equal to the dealer mitbestellen: Replacement Battery (no name, what?), What else?
Antwort von scream:
strong film, but the turns are not automatic with
Yet. I have only made the effort to the small video light s.zu make .. ;)
and I need Focus Assist, Peaking?
As long as you do not want ants filming everything should work as synonymous!
PS: what could possibly be equal to the dealer mitbestellen: Replacement Battery (no name, what?), What else? Battery, for example,
Ansmann A-Can BP 315 UV filter (a lens):
Hoya UV filter .. Here it eighth on several occasions that the filter is compensated. No No-Name dinger buy.
Tripod:
Velbon DV -7000 Tapes of Panasonic, not Sony!
A bag ..
Regards,
Karol
Antwort von Jan:
and I need Focus Assist, Peaking?
Once you like yourself prefer the sharpness, very valuable.
For filmmakers no automatic preference.
Focus Assist Sucherbildvergösserung =
Peaking = raising edge - the objects are currently selected in the Focus range will lie there in the respective color (Canon HV - white) the person is the subject of the edges (contours) gekennzeichnte quickly and you can see which object is in focus grad. Is it less easy to see than in my example Lieblingscam SonyFX 7 (where white, red, yellow).
VG
Jan
Antwort von zabo:
Thanks for the info
Since I know nothing more of the SonyCam read, I guess it tends rather to Canon
and when I read it right, rather synonymous to HV 10
Dasa problem with the Peakign etc. is synonymous only with HV 20 in the test described, the HV 10 as there are fewer problems. Uneinstellbar And this is not synonymous to sosnt None would indeed buy the HV 20
Still tendency to HV 10, right?
Get it at I would Redcoon
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a211709.html
Then demand to Hiilfsmitteln:
1), the Tripod, I can still move, or
2) how important is the filter? would Hoya 37mm HMC for HV 10 and 20 fit in Redcoon cost 5 ¬ more, but ok
3) replacement battery is absolutely necessary, right? (synonymous to fit the two versions?)
Redcoon only Hähnel that cost 14 ¬ more, what would you do?
4) then the bands
Are there any Canon tapes, I will therefore order Panasonic
How many should you order?
There are different synonymous Panasonic tapes for the same Cam
if so, what should I tape ordering?)
Antwort von topgun:
So with all due respect and in all honesty, slowly you start with your questions but s.zu "nerves".
Purchase you the HV 20 and basta
Antwort von zabo:
understand you yes
But how to convey an Nochlaie know the following? how important is the filter? would Hoya 37mm HMC for HV 10 and 20 fit
Battery replacement is necessary, right? (synonymous to fit the two versions?)
Redcoon only Hähnel that cost 14 ¬ more, what would you do?
then the bands
Are there any Canon tapes, I will therefore order Panasonic
How many should you order?
There are different synonymous Panasonic tapes for the same Cam
if so which one should I buy tape?
Antwort von JMitch:
buy in the instruction manual recommended tapes ...
How much?
Two-piece!
Buy a second battery when cheapjack!
Antwort von wolfgang:
So the risk that you never before louder issues come to the shooting, and the fact that your child is grown up, until you have a camera then there is sometimes slow.
:))
Decide, start filming s.zu (synonymous that you have to learn a little), and the rest coming already.
Antwort von JMitch:
Children grow up in the first years especially fast, would be necessary, nor the school a good entry opportunity.
Antwort von zabo:
grins, grins
but I do not
fits the above filter or to both HV Battery Cams?
Antwort von JMitch:
The grin would break me if the videos will not be one we wanted on the DVD, or jump into the calculator.
Otherwise, the filter thread fits, you can screw on the filter synonymous.
Antwort von zabo:
grins has focused on the fact if I do not decide soon .... related
I initially only wanted to repeal the miniDVs
because filter: 37mm seems for the HV 10 zusein in HV 20, is 43mm
Battery for:
Battery type BP-310 Canon HV 10 for Canon BP-2L13 for HV 20
Ansmann but the Canon BP 315 ?????
Antwort von wolfgang:
If you opt for a camcorder has decided, and the device then synonymous, then it is in the exact instructions of each filter thread. Better still, it is mostly at the front Optics drauf. With this information - written or in the form of the camcorder - it staggers to the nearest photo dealer, and buy the appropriate filter. Or you ordered on the net.
When mans synonymous Batteries can make it - especially where there are many dealers on ebay, just the name of the device to write - for the so-battery is a replica. However, it is synonymous to say that there are occasionally people, before the replica battery warning - should already be exploded. I myself have since schelchten but no experience, you need not necessarily take allerbilligsten replica battery.
Sun, and now you decide times, and then go as described before. Neither can you who the decision to decline, yet the way to the dealer, you will hardly even if you're looking for all things together, then you need - even if you still do not know what you want now. Initiative was quite good here ...
Antwort von zabo:
Wolfgang and co. it is true, ultimately, I decide it's
1) it must be really slow to happen
2) but then you should really Cams viell. once have seen, but I have to first find a business needs to have the cams because (Kappenberger Promarkt and had them in the local town
does not)
The question must halt, if you can buy synonymous unseen 3) because it's accessories viell. really s.besten, we have obtained only the cam and then ordered the filter and the Battery
with the link of
Karol quite helpful, but I just did not understand whether this Battery only for HV 10 or would be synonymous for the HV 20? 4) at the Cam already have a tape here?
or MINI DV
http://www2.computeruniverse.net/images2/90072357.jpg
5) SD card is not synonymous with size, which is useful 1GB, with 32 MB but even rich would have, but because you always make so little photos
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... The question is holding, if you can buy synonymous unseen Before the purchase in hand is definitely better, but because when you order a 14-day right of return then the risk is not so great.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von zabo:
exactly good indication
Antwort von scream:
whether this Battery only for HV 10 or would be synonymous for the HV 20?
Only for HV10
4) at the Cam already have a tape here?
For non-HV10, HV20 in kA
Can they quietly buy:
click
an SD card is not synonymous with size, which is useful 1GB, with 32 MB but even rich would have, but because you always make so little photos 1GB miniSD cost around 17 ¬ .. I would buy.
Antwort von Jan:
Dasa problem with the Peakign etc. is synonymous only with HV 20 in the test described, the HV 10 as there are fewer problems. Uneinstellbar And this is not synonymous to sosnt None would indeed buy the HV 20
The price already HV 10, with more variety of hand take the 20th AGM
The Peaking function in the Canon HV eh is amateurish as far as I know only in white - so you can see the items outlined in the sharpness is very poor. And then it can not be combined with Zebra overexposure help.
Da lob ich mir SonyFX the 7 (a little more expensive, unfortunately), peaking in the red or yellow, plus zebra black / white Straffierung (synonymous together) - a good manual exposure and focus assistance to the "freak" like me. For some recordings is just an automatic AF or exposure do not - like a concert.
Times but I think that you have the two functions will not need anyway.
Look at Canon. De, the sheets are good, everything is described.
VG
Jan
Antwort von panaeinsteiger:
hallo, synonymous to me a new cam straight up, got the HV20 viewed, for me as Leie io, however, it is quite large, take the cam with you always? pana, the SD1 is smaller and has avhcd pana sd150 again the small abernur characterized in mpeg2 on. adfür is slightly small, fit into a jacket pocket. are the time for my 2 cams narrow selection
Antwort von scream:
If you like the HV20 is too big look at the HV10 at times. The fit in (almost) every pocket.
Antwort von panaeinsteiger:
that is true, the operation of the HV 10 is all clean, you have to zoom in and as always it starts with the bad service.
Antwort von scream:
the operation of the HV 10 is all clean, Mhh, I have not noticed.
Antwort von panaeinsteiger:
hv had 10 in the hand as they priced interiesant, was not thrilled that Fana sd150 is better in the hand and weighs only 280g without battery
Antwort von znieh:
Did the HV10.
For handling: It must be because of the transition Hochkantform; fingers are holding different and we must exercise restraint.
But after some time you have the inside and the poor handling relativised then. Retrofit shoulder, gun stance ...
Another advantage is the size / small the HV10, if you always take the cam and the cam will always be ready.
The picture quality is superb. The price of this phenomenal.
External Micro brauch I do not, the built is okay and sufficient. Drive noises are also in very subtle and only heard when silent films. Which I do but rarely.
I need the Cam on vacation for the family and sometimes for me to record events. This is the ideal.
I have special requirements (concerts, etc.) I must stop in prfessionelleres equipment invest.
Filters for protection, I personally think that silly, because the excellent compensation of the front lens may be devalued. Since the front lens is back, she is always protected. In 25 years of photography and Filmerei I never get a scratch ....
Batteries: Ordinary at ebay to get (with extreme loader, which is of advantage).
Cam incidentally makes surprisingly good photos, synonymous in HDTV during the filming.
MfG
Antwort von zabo:
hallo, synonymous to me a new cam straight up, got the HV20 viewed, for me as Leie io, however, it is quite large, take the cam with you always? pana, the SD1 is smaller and has avhcd pana sd150 again the small abernur characterized in mpeg2 on. adfür is slightly small, fit into a jacket pocket. are the time for my 2 cams narrow selection
I thought of AVHCD will of the experts rather discouraged
Small and easy would be synonymous to me right?
what cost than the two Pana?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
what cost than the two Pana? The answer can be found s.schnellsten on one of the many price comparison sites on the Internet, for example, then: www.idealo.de
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von AndyZZ:
what cost than the two Pana? Google?
Then you will find when entering the model number on the first try probably hundreds of price information.
Or look at an electric Grossmarkthalle look around the corner?
Even on the manufacturer's site, you will find price information.
So here is their own initiative announced.
Antwort von zabo:
I thought the Panafan know it: around 900 ¬
But normally one would have to advise against because of the format, right?
Quote:
Attention, this is the Panasonic AVCHD format on. Unfortunately, this format is currently very few programs after editing. There is caution. Search you look at the corresponding contributions in the forum about AVCHD out! on the other page:
Too good to be true "
I have long dreamed of a camera in top-Picture-and-sound quality.
The colors are gorgeous, thanks 3CCD technology. The Auto Focus is not so easy to confuse as Sony. Handling joystick - it is synonymous manually focus without focus ring to snap. Everything is somehow so compact, the buttons are arranged well, the shooting is easy of the hand.
But HDTV is just interlaced images, ie with fields, progressive not possible. Not even 720p25, let alone anything higher. On modern television sets will be interpolated. Nevertheless, top-quality, but not 100%. The light is synonymous super. Hardly the picture noise.
Sound: Here I am happy. SD Card = no tape or DVD sound on the video. Or? Wrong! The chip is a fan of chilled. Thus, there is still no perfect camera for indoor shots without noise.
Nevertheless, the camera is recommended, because it is better than what else is so s.Markt.
Antwort von Daigoro:
However, it is quite large, take the cam with you always? Honestly?
Despite all of your idealism, because you now verspuerst are the chances at about 8:1, that the camera - no preference how small, big, cheap or expensive - after an intense two weeks around either in the cupboard gathering dust, or as a "new , with warranty, 5 tapes recorded at Ebay lands.
The people who are always with her camera have video enthusiasts, where the shooting as a hobby is more important than anything else, and for all other activities merely the framework for their Filmerei are.
If you have something to mutierst, it is no preference how big or small the camera is, because you will you eh a 20 kilo Alukoffer accessories for the entire growth.
The other people who have this camera often are 'event movies'. The Camera Always take with when they use their other hobbies (we had already dancing, table tennis, horse riding, motor biking, trail, model ...) documentary adhere to.
For events of course, synonymous events in a family environment - the oft-weddings, birthdays (which - nach'm first boring oma-opa birthday has been synonymous usually enough) - surely something like enrollment - in any case, kindergarten / Schulauffuehrungen, dance events and sowas.
The people who want a camera to purchase, because we actually filmed 24 hours s.Tag * could *, are usually those who are quick to note that so much interesting garnicht happens.
The film can be either, or s.Geschehen participate - then see your daughter through the viewfinder and auf'm TV as they grow up, but no longer 'live'.
The unedited film totlangweilig are (5 minutes with your daughter 'in real' swing has not totally different dimension than 5 minutes when your daughter on the swing Glotze watching - because even the grandma ratzt away).
The videos of interest to cut loose again, the 2-3-6-10-fold use of the time means that you had to film.
ps This Spinnenclip above is a good example of 'special interest' Filmerei. 8 minutes epic struggle against spider tweezers. I do not know if you've viewed the whole - to me is because too little is happening (although the action s.sich, even for me is not a special interest s.Spinnen has not is irrelevant) and I did after 2 minutes' Tweezers accesses to spider differs from 'the end vorgespult.
I do not synonymous, whether the parties the whole 8 minutes clip again and again will be. At 2 minutes' highlights' cut together determine the full length?
Antwort von JMitch:
@ Daigoro:
absolutely true
Your contribution should be required reading for everyone in
as unexperienced beginner
here for a suitable cam asks.
gruß cj
ps. Most would vermutl. The video function s.einer digiknipse
fully suffice ....
Antwort von zabo:
synonymous think the reference is very good, only Daigoro would mean: not just record and in 20 years have no recollection what-viell. synonymous no preference, as it always has no time to
Note about the video of digicams, I can only say: this is exactly the reason why one should Cam ago because these mini-movies 30sec, while quite nice, a ber of the quality such as Super 8 film 35 years ago
but I will give you legally-man runs the risk of the cam in the corner lie to you, since finishing time is
Antwort von topgun:
Slowly but surely I think you're alone a lot at home and need someone to talk necessarily.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... for the video ... this mini digicams 30sec films are quite nice, a ber of the quality such as Super 8 film 35 years ago There has in recent years but have done a lot: the quality is much better (although of course still synonymous with the level of a good MiniDV camcorder) and the 30-second limit is synonymous long past.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Daigoro:
synonymous think the reference is very good, only Daigoro would mean: not just record and in 20 years have no recollection what-viell. synonymous no preference, as it always has no time to
As I said, there are other ways to create lasting memories.
The tip so times a year for professional photographers the confidence to go and a few really nice, stylish paper to make images was quite serious ('ve even family - daughter is enrolled this year).
Making by oneself is of course synonymous ne good thing (and without the hordes s.Verrueckten that do them, so there would be sites like Slashcam not:), but you must not as NEN Kopp drum that's as you seem to do grad.
The cameras, which thou hast in the choice, are all yes sometimes no 200 euros Cheap cucumbers of where you "professional quality television" expect.
The bringing all quite good results and if you have first some, decides your property more than filmmakers, whether in rauskommt what clever than the technical details of the cameras.
Have already last Page wrote that Datasheets here to wallow thee not really a decision brings closer and more contribute to uncertainty.
So just go buy you the part that you respond in the moment s.meisten without even next great obscure features on the other side of "building but looks good to speculate and just enjoy yourself over there.
Maybe keep your joy s.Shooting you will really s.and in 2-3-6 years ne Camera buy exactly your demands (yes then you know) enough, or the part of the week will play around never touched.
At Ebay you the way or to (for used equipment as I think almost outrageously high prices) again. The investment risk is rather low.
Antwort von zabo:
On one page is it good, so great expert advice taken, on the other one is of course synonymous insecure
The fact is that so far I have 30-60sec recording with the video function of my digital camera-this was made relatively easy, with the problem, the pictures are when they are not s.PC viewing the world.
thus came the idea of a buy-cam idea was possible, small, lightweight and easy to use, and with little effort archivable.
Therefore, you have my HV 10 or 20 come-with all their VT and NT
it is annoying you, it is annoying me
Michael and thank you for the help
Antwort von DWUA:
Zabo Hello!
After so much "starter" recipe for a small menu.
1. Decision:
Snack bar, or "Star" chef?
2. Purchasing; camera work:
Purchasing the "ingredients" in relation to the quality of one's purse,
force the payment of the customer (with account advance).
Always flawless product ensured. The menu is in your head!
Not in the Camera.
3. Processing in the kitchen:
This is cleaned geschnipselt, stirred sauces ingredients are mixed, seasoned, ...
4. Cooking: The whole is baked in the oven, cooked in a pot or in the
Pan-fried.
Careful that nothing burns.
5. Guests:
Serve them in your menu more appealing form.
6. Rating:
Remember: Not every recipe is all connoisseurs
equally tasty!
Even if it technically was the perfect dinner!
ps
That would be no question of course is still in the millions of
suffering children on this earth.
Before they miserably perish thirst and starving.
There are reports in excellent picture and sound quality!
Why are fewer and fewer of them broadcast?
Because they disturb viewers while eating
the audience and ruin!
To pardon for the somewhat OT-salinity Dessert invites you
With warm regards,
DWUA
