Frage von Judge:
Hallo erstmal together and a happy new year.
I have decided to give me a camcorder (daughter) zuzulegen. My choice is a long time to think about the Canon HG10 fallen. Unfortunately, it was today at Media Markt (Schnäpchentag, although I do not know if they have not previously been the high prices have set) sold out fairly early, like many other models that I also in the closer choice had, unfortunately, synonymous ((
Now I ask myself it at Amazon to buy it fairly cheap cost 900, - ¬. My question is, however s.Euch: Can such a sensitive device with a good conscience, buy or trade online it is determined in spite of good packaging is not afraid of transport damage, which I also certainly do not (immediately) know? Has anyone done so already experienced? I would be glad about your responses.
Oh, by the Way: Yeah, still no HD-TV. I'm not sure (that I wanted today in MM have to inquire) whether I use the Cam without s.meinen "Normalo" Television can connect? Or do I need special Ansclüsse or, worse, players? Do not be angry because of this absolute Newbiefrage, I thought I'd hang them s.mein real concerns to.
Vielen Dank schon mal.
Antwort von Markus:
Hello,
synonymous dealers get their devices with services package sent. For a transport damage is usually the parcel, unless the product is un (ter) sent insured. Read for shipment necessarily smallprint of the respective provider. At Amazon, there are synonymous Marketplace Dealers, the Amazon with nothing directly to do and each of which pursues its own business policy.
Antwort von RupertGr8:
I'm not sure (that I wanted today in MM have to inquire) whether I use the Cam without s.meinen "Normalo" Television can connect? Yes, go.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Fear of damage in transit They are not
your problem, but of the
Amazon (or any other arbitrary Online
Dealers). On Purchase of
privacy may be different!
Remember: For obvious shipping damage, or at least acceptance refuse the delivery as witnesses the injury report, if necessary;
In later discovered shipping damage immediately secure evidence (witnesses), only reported injury and then the instructions of the distributor for the return follow (never to return unstamped, beautiful correct postage on it and later introduced);
The neighbors should not be allowed to accept packages (I times happens, a completely crushed and indented package contents as if by a miracle healing remained);
If at all possible, synonymous apparently undamaged packages in the presence of third parties to open and meticulously examine the contents.
BG
Andreas
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
For a transport damage is usually the parcel for the end user
completely schnurz, interested only in relation Amazon <-> parcel.
:-)
Andreas
Antwort von Judge:
Thanks for the quick responses.
I was not so much about the obvious Transportschäde (damaged packaging and the like), but whether it is not possible that the inner workings of Cam takes damage without having to view it. I have such devices always afraid that due to transportation damage ÓÄ my cam not 100% is okay, but besipielsweise only 95% performance and I almost can not detect.
In any case, thank you ever (synonymous for the info for the TV connection).
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Nochwas for online trading: if you get the name of you unfamiliar online retailer with keywords like "fraud", "shitty", etc. and combining in Google field, you'll sometimes enlightened. In Domains of ussynonymous Webshops you can still find out where the domain is hosted and since when ... Caution is always warranted when properly
cheap offers.
Well, Amazon is God seriously.
BG
Andreas
Antwort von Judge:
Nochwas for online trading: if you get the name of you unfamiliar online retailer with keywords like "fraud", "shitty", etc. and combining in Google field, you'll sometimes enlightened. In Domains of ussynonymous Webshops you can still find out where the domain is hosted and since when ... Caution is always warranted when properly cheap offers.
Well, Amazon is God seriously.
BG
Andreas Thank you, but among others of exactly that reason would be for me only in the Amazon.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Thank you, but among others of exactly that reason would be for me only in the Amazon. Well, a few more, there are already ... I have my FX1 eg Redcoon acquired, which is still (!) for an Amazon partner for EUR 3878.52 currently there (then 2,877 in Redcoon). For over 4,200 EUR synonymous, I have already seen at Amazon, not long ago.
BG
Andreas
Antwort von Freak-X:
I want this to be synonymous again say:
Amazon is good, but expensive sau. You can get this camcorder a bit cheaper if you buy it somewhere else:
http://www.alternate.de//html/product/details.html?artno=MC% artno = 23C72 & 23C72 & MC%
Alternate I know from long experience and it can really only recommend it. And if you still have doubts solltest: NOT just paying in advance, but cash on delivery. - Then you are against cheating, some can just cancel if estwas does not work.
Antwort von RupertGr8:
Amazon is good, but expensive sau.
Sauteuer? http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000ULREBC/ref=pd_luc_mri?% 5Fencoding = UTF8 & m = A3JWKAKR8XB7XF
Is cheaper than your version. And free shipping. However, currently associated with Wait ...
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Sauteuer ... ... cheaper ... Still less do I find such articles usually on price search engines like www.idealo.de.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
the Reds now have the 19% action, is quite possible that there the camcorder synonymous to cost 900 ¬. And most importantly - Germany product.
To some Internet with a buyer, we guarantee claim a gray very bad - because Canon refuses - Europe no warranty card.
This is not necessary - but can be.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... the Reds now have the 19% Action ... If it were not for some days before the prices increased by 20% has ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Judge:
Hello,
the Reds now have the 19% action, is quite possible that there the camcorder synonymous to cost 900 ¬. And most importantly - Germany product.
To some Internet with a buyer, we guarantee claim a gray very bad - because Canon refuses - Europe no warranty card.
This is not necessary - but can be.
VG
Jan Hab ich doch schon geschrieben: Was there today, there were almost only half of the cams. The rest were already sold out around noon.
Minus. the 19% I would be pretty much on the price of Amazon came. Without fear of undetected damage to shipment.
Antwort von Johannes:
Amazon is good, but expensive sau.
Sauteuer? http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000ULREBC/ref=pd_luc_mri?% 5Fencoding = UTF8 & m = A3JWKAKR8XB7XF
Is cheaper than your version. And free shipping. However, currently associated with Wait ... If it is after the price is:
http://www.kauflux.de/?id=FROOGLE&_artnr=6397521
For 825 ¬.
From there I bought my tripod and everything went great. And I think "Kauflux" is just about the great side of it goes to verschwiedenen Dealers.
Just what you search at Google or shopping products enter. 98% there are honest and reputable dealer.
Antwort von RupertGr8:
the Reds now have the 19% action, is quite possible that there the camcorder synonymous to cost 900 ¬. And most importantly - Germany product.
The action gabs ever, at that time were not even 19%, and the prices went up even before synonymous.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Here NEN Tip
http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a271174.html
There I looked after things ALWAYS in relation to electrical, etc.
It will cost you about Canon 820, - Euro from the dealer stocked and insured, let never with Amazon or dealer is an MM .... just because the big advertising to make the heist is not the best.
Only Tip
.... What I said on miser wanted and then bought
Canon EOS 350 D 400D, Lenses Canon XL 1s Lenses, PDAs, digital recorders, monitors, PCs, mobile phones, my electric toothbrush ;-)
Do not be mad because of the shipment, the dinger be so packed that you go even if you have fallen from the truck :-)))
MfG
B. DeKid
PS Anyone who buys at MM is stupid "Un should donate money to UNICEF ;-)))!!!
Antwort von jansi:
(...) It will cost you about Canon 820, - Euro Even still much too expensive.
Antwort von judgement movie:
(...) It will cost you about Canon 820, - Euro
Even still much too expensive. Yes? Are Santa Claus which he then nothing this year brings ...?-) Then send me synonymous with the times I have gone since n.lange ne wishlist ;-)
eg
NEN Dimension 3D printers and scanners NEN NextEngine zBdas würd my Sculper / Concept Artist looking synonymous un me .... only question is whether the thing gets into the sack and Rudolph synonymous then the thing can still ziehn or is it synonymous insured? -- )
Antwort von Markus:
Without fear of undetected damage to shipment. What exactly distinguishes Purchase in Electronic Commerce, the package of its goods and services trucking gets delivered, of a mail order, also with package services and freight forwarders possibly deliver?
The danger of hidden shipping damage you would have in both cases, as well as a guarantee that such damage could be repaired free of charge.
Antwort von Judge:
Without fear of undetected damage to shipment.
What exactly distinguishes Purchase in Electronic Commerce, the package of its goods and services trucking gets delivered, of a mail order, also with package services and freight forwarders possibly deliver?
The danger of hidden shipping damage you would have in both cases, as well as a guarantee that such damage could be repaired free of charge. Well, yes. I Deke me just that in the retail transportation accrues (rather than 2, as in the online trading), and certainly safer than with the DHL or so? But like I said, I'm usually way too much thought. Probably you're right. At the moment, just bothers me that I have the cam with a defect complicated again by mail must be sent back, rather than simply in MM (for example) must.
But I will probably mail them to me at Amazon, especially since the price within a day to about 30, - ¬ have decreased.
Greeting
Antwort von DrLanselius:
So I do it for higher things as I explore the best (legitimate) price on the internet, then the rattle s.and local dealer to ask for your offer. 10% surcharge, I accept, because I guarantee the unit in case the spot required. Pure online shops I do not, especially not when Billigstanbieter. They gave me too many nerves tasted. By safe I mean jobs in my area ;-)
Greeting
DrLanselius
Antwort von judgement movie:
... the Reds now have the 19% Action ...
If it were not for some days before the prices increased by 20% has ;-)
Gruß Bernd E. Jep - can not be ruled out.
I finally had to purchase one by finally FX7 - precisely at the M. .. M. .., where I have 2-3 times before dreaming of the showcase had confessed.
So Thursday evening, and Mrs. Child in the MM "kidnapped" - masses of people without end - and then the big moment - but what was that? The camcorder, of the 14 days before 2999 would have cost even more, was unchanged in the exhibition showcase - only the new Preisschlild was suddenly stood on it ... 3399 Ok OK, without 19% would be 2856.30 (that is still less 142.70) have been - but this insolence forced me then but, to remain consistent and the media market without a camcorder to leave - you, I was angry!
Antwort von judgement movie:
One more thing ...
... on the shelf was synonymous nor HC5 - for "incredible" 1199!
I'm not stupid!
Antwort von Judge:
So I do it for higher things as I explore the best (legitimate) price on the internet, then the rattle s.and local dealer to ask for your offer. 10% surcharge, I accept, because I guarantee the unit in case the spot required. Pure online shops I do not, especially not when Billigstanbieter. They gave me too many nerves tasted. By safe I mean jobs in my area ;-)
Greeting
DrLanselius I would like to make synonymous. The fool is that the HG10 sold out everywhere at the moment seems to be. Nowhere to have. Even Amazon currently has a turnaround time of several weeks (((.
Greeting
Antwort von DrLanselius:
Well, since machste nix, is synonymous already happened to me that I am after a long lay over at last for a device and then decided it was sold out everywhere and for example in the case of SonyVX 2100, it was synonymous not longer manufactured. I would, if it is not too much anyway pressiert wait a little because in the consumer area for quite a time Formathickhack reigns. I had the HG10 three weeks ago to test, and only said it with the supplied "Ulead something" done to the images and (very limited) editing. Dv control and all the nice features s.ich I've used did not exist, only a file browser, the first picture showed. But for the model you are for good reasons you chose, I hear you at times fix the maggoty to make.
Good luck & greetings
DrLanselius
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Browse again
.... who are still in the store to buy it is your own fault.
1. refers to the MM or the retail synonymous mostly of large retailers his goods.
So the most of Goods Manufacturer> Wholesaler / MM warehouse> Retail / MM goes.
2. Who does he give his defective device directly s.and get a new product or even dreaming of the money. Because first of all quitiert twice and must be examined and etc. (Sure you can ever be lucky and get directly NEN exchange.)
Nevertheless, the devices are usually submitted to the Manufacturer.
Again
Those things have warranty can damage the package or after the opening of the charge packet will be sent directly back.
The Wholesaler
If this thing times during the warranty period, make no muken topic>
Canon, for example, has one of the best and fastest service I know! Account of the seller and the subject in NEN carton pack. away days and s.nächsten ne e-mail and within about 1 week, all have returned.
(Bought Wide Angle Lens for Canon XL1S on ebay invoice enclosed with the rest and guarantee>
after its now I ne Macke of the motor system Fest> Hinschicken>
Wait>
Brand new Canon Lens because getting tions "Mondays damage dignostizierte)
linse price of approximately 550 euros on Ebay Returns to Canon 8 euros = FREU times ;-) If the vendor of the lens itself, instead you had to sell on Ebay :-)
So, get jobs and not mad or not
... even if the MM his people to lay off
... you'll find the wholesaler NEN new job
or ... hmmm ...
Nee you probably do not. because most of it until I know now did not really plan had NEN.
CONCLUSION
NO TO AMAZON AND OTTO MM etc
JA at affordable prices
Considering the times simply synonymous fuel consumption. Depreciation of the cars, the nerves in MM go out looking for parking, etc.
Alla
PS @ Jansi
WHAT CAN I GET FROM NOW NEN DIMENSION OF PRINTER N'CLAUS :-)))
Antwort von PowerMac:
Your articles are full of spelling errors and formatting impossible! We are not in a Hessian village pub here.
Antwort von ocean5:
The camcorder, of the 14 days before 2999 would have cost even more, was unchanged in the exhibition showcase - only the new Preisschlild was suddenly stood on it ... 3399 Ok OK, without 19% would be 2856.30 (that is still less 142.70) have been - but this insolence forced me then but, to remain consistent and the media market without a camcorder to leave - you, I was angry! Then please OR was consistent and agree with the next Verbraucherschutzzentrale with. Not that the warning, the media market group (let's call times Echtnamen) interested, but consumers are central to the public.
This harms the I-am-quite-silly-market very well his own image.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Your articles are full of spelling errors and formatting impossible! We are not in a Hessian village pub here. @ PowerMac
Lol know what ...
A Sydney resident, I do not synonymous
not everyone can be a journalist
If I / we, me / us your contributions ankuck / s I find synonymous not so great and often quite invasive in nature, and above all very proud.
But so are most guys in every forum ;-(
Alla MfG your special friend
B. DeKid
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Publicly reprimand ... ... ... This harms the I-am-quite-silly-market very well his own image. In theory we should accept, in practice,'s obviously different: In the previous "action-value-added tax in 2005 have at least some media markets in several states just before the prices increased and were strongly in favor of public comply - what was the outcome? Knowledgeable customers who henceforth when such an offer grinning aside? No, the exact opposite: Again similar to the migration flows of clients, from the markets drag everything out, which is not anchored in the masonry. And if the device hingefahren because they are already gone, just buy it anywhere else, just something synonymous of these supposed super deals abzubekommen. No warning to the world market, the median image so much worse than that this would change.
To honor rescue but was told that it is synonymous with the median market quite lucrative deals there, you just need to compare very carefully and be wary of the advertising claims at face value to take. But we're not stupid ...
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Your articles are full of spelling errors and formatting impossible! We are not in a Hessian village pub here.
@ PowerMac
Lol know what ...
A Sydney resident, I do not synonymous
not everyone can be a journalist
If I / we, me / us your contributions ankuck / s I find synonymous not so great and often quite invasive in nature, and above all very proud.
But so are most guys in every forum ;-(
Alla MfG your special friend
B. DeKid Form and content are two pairs of shoes.
Antwort von Naiv:
Slashcam love,
Media on the market action, I would not express myself, then what exactly was done, I do not know exactly, because you need to ask those responsible.
You're already quite naive or?
Such actions are of almost every company made famous DIY & furniture giants are already long on the 20-50% off rail, still well ahead of Media & Co. There, previously regularly pulled up to the loss have to be limited.
I did a few years ago as Leittragender need to recognize a coach furniture & kitchen were 2 weeks earlier after less than 50% of the action - very cheeky. This is throughout the economy through.
People are now time for the most part easily dressierbar. Bigger, better, longer, faster, cheaper, etc. .....
I remember because s.eine action in the vicinity of Prague, where 2 students 1000 customers had shown how easily you can manipulate people with. It was on a field only a card-board wall 100 meters up, it was promised, it will be up to something not yet seen her pass, a shopping center with incredible discounts! The people rushed in crowds to the card-board wall, like lemmings into the ravine plunge .....
This does not always the case, my company had a CD last week and SW action, I had several CDs in the eye before (they were not raised), there were the CDs for 20% less, considerably lower every dealer price. The same CDs were previously in the usual ¬ 13-16.99, synonymous already 2 months in advance.
@ B. DeKid - MM Saturn and applies to 95% of its goods from the German headquarters of the company, so for example in Willich Canon or Panasonic in Hamburg, it is there to Germany goods with full warranty. An internet trader buys with great probability is not there, especially the cheapest.
It is possible for distributors (many in Holland) etc., the act but often with gray, therefore it is being very rarely made of the chain.
JVC and Canon, as well as other companies regularly punish Internet from dealers in these uncontrollable prices are no longer supplied.
This purchase was quickly no longer in the national headquarters of the company, but when the distributors On. The Prices of the distributors are significantly cheaper, they have their goods are not in Germany, which is expensive Inch bypassed.
If you then bought a CameraLink times have, where your warranty will be rejected - then ¬ 200 is due soon or in the Camera in the garbage can throw.
When I had 2 people at Canon cameras (nothing against Canon) just stuck in the problem!
Antwort von B.DeKid:
@ Naive
You're right what with the gray imports are concerned ...
Nevertheless, it can be ausgehn that the I-Net Dealers not on www.geizhals.at / en will appear.
We are talking here of very well implement the Sellers, the basis of your acceptance and lower operating costs effectively can offer lower prices.
If you eg Canon or IBM Germany 100 pcs same time buying a product, with prepayment and license, then proceed as synonymous different Prices.
The operating costs of a consumer market will always be higher than for German wholesalers, pure Net Shops I lead.
The products such as CD or DVD s.Rande times the profit margin here, s.Aktions days, is still as big as the one MM is still very well may deserve it.
Also, you have much good going on, the space for new product creates.
I often buy DVDs at the wholesaler, just always 10Stk min of the movie I want to have, and finaziere me so by selling the remaining 9Stk on Ebay (Industrial Dealer) my DVD.
Let's assume that I know of where I am speaking, my Dad was manager at Metro / Alkauf / Tegel man. I grew up with such things.
I just want the private Intressenten synonymous get what you want and at reasonable prices - especially in today's times where money is often scarce.
MfG
B. DeKid
PS Of course I will not buy just 10 times but also DVDs 100-250 pc, otherwise not worth the synonymous ;-)
