Frage von biber65:
Hello,
I need a Aukunft for the production of videos for the Internet with an external Microphone. Of course, had already used the search function, but I'm of a contribution has been referred to the next, while synonymous to some dead links and pushed s.Ende was quite confused. Now I need someone who tells me whether I was right.
I am a teacher and would like with students (age 16 years) in an AG to produce videos that will appear on the school website. The upshot is that I have with the money must be very hard to calculate.
Price range: about
500 Euro, not to change.
In every forum I read that you prefer not to built-in microphone on the camcorder, but rather an
external microphone should be used. The justifications me a glow, and a certain minimum quality of the sound should have indeed synonymous.
In the above price range have the camcorder of course, no XLR input. (Even worse: The models that I've angeguckt, there was not even 6.3-jack, but only
3.5-jack. Sigh.) That in turn limited the length of cable, as I have read in the forum: Maximum of 3 m, if any, in asymmetric transmission.
I just sinking, what I had considered, and would like a response, whether the coherent, complete and functional (taking into account the limited price perspective):
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Camcorders: Samsung VPD 363 (or otherwise).
-
Microphone: T. Bone EM9600, because it is by word input is well suited.
- With the help of an approximately
2-m cable and a simple
adapter, XLR to 3.5 jack, I agree with the Micro s.den your camcorder. (Does not symmetrical, I know.)
- For cases in which the cable length 2 m is not sufficient and flexible in order to be, I draw the sound with the
Pros Gemini ikey USB recorder that I have seen on the Internet. He has a 3.5-jack-Mic input. He characterized the sound in MP3 format and saves the file on a USB stick. (About this recorder, I have here in the forum found nothing. ... No good sign)
- A
pre-amp I do not, right?
- Prices (approx.): $ 200 + camcorder Microphone Cable 60 Euro + 10 Euro + 10 Euro Adapters USB Recorder + 170 Euro
Total = 450 Euro
Maik
Antwort von Markus:
[...] On the models, there was not even 6.3-jack, but only 3.5-jack. The unbalanced 3.5 mm jack is for consumer camcorders commonplace. A Model synonymous with unbalanced or balanced 6.3 mm jack (there are both) is not met me yet and I suppose that it is synonymous does not exist. Then it usually comes already XLR.
... and would like a response, whether the coherent, complete and functional ... Through the camcorder, I have found nothing useful (which is according to Samsung's website is not current model), but if you get one and the device has a microphone port, then your compilation work. The Microphone can be according to site of next Thomann phantom synonymous with a Battery operated.
For the USB recorder, I can say nothing, because unknown to me.
Antwort von Jan:
The XLR is clear in the professional world at home, your Samsung in the amateur world.
Well I have a 7 ¬ synonymous XLR female to 3.5 mm jack male s.der FX 7 used, but such a wild collection is really rough. The Camera class is not synonymous to the sound levels, which is synonymous ever is not good.
Take but rather have a Videomic Rode or Sennheiser MKE 300 with 3.5 mm jack connector! The 9600er is two tests (I think movies tend perished - the 9900er was very good)
I've got a long time with MKE 300 for purposes of good interview experience - until the cable breaks at hand posture
A synonymous Canon would have been better (MV 900 & MD 110) or better yet, Panasonic GS 230th Samsung is known for the darkest verauscheste & Picture at "room adaptation".
VG
Jan
Antwort von biber65:
Take but rather have a Videomic Rode or Sennheiser MKE 300 with 3.5 mm jack connector! The Sennheiser Microphone is more than twice as expensive as the EM 9600th .. Then more of the Rode Videomic. This keeps you do not fall under the nose, but it remains s.der video, I understood this correctly? Is it really sound better than with a makeshift adapter connection?
A synonymous Canon would have been better (MV 900 & MD 110) or better yet, Panasonic GS 230th From her price would s.ehesten the MV 900 in question. But has a microphone port? In the technical data on the Canon website to have, are only two connections: one USB and one AV, whatever that might mean. Is that a microphone port?
Antwort von Markus:
Is it really sound better than with a makeshift adapter connection? It plays of the sound quality does not matter whether a combination of vorherein unbalanced, or whether using a symmetrical unbalanced adapter is made. Here is more of the actual quality of the microphone and the quality of the cable and its length is crucial.
... and once again USB AV, whatever that might mean. Is that a microphone port? AV = Audio / Video (analog)
USB = 1st
Universal Serial Bus (digital, aber nicht optimal*)
Beides ist kein Mikrofonanschluss.
* siehe synonymous:
FireWire FAQ">(b) Firewire or USB?
Antwort von biber65:
I have only amateur rights, so much is made plain. But it should work. Nothing is worse than if one goes off and nothing.
Jan, you have the adapter XRL to Mini-jack wrote:
Such a wild collection is really rough Markus, you've written:
It plays of the sound quality does not matter ... Here is more of the actual quality of the microphone and the quality of the cable and its length is crucial. What does this mean? Jan's comment refers to higher expectations? Or is the use of the adapter is shaky affair, which only caused trouble? Yes I want to impress anybody, it should just work.
Antwort von Markus:
Or is the use of the adapter is shaky affair, which only caused trouble? Yes and Yes and no. Of course it would be useful to unnecessary power to renounce. This would be possible, instead of an XLR microphone asymmetrical Consumer Microphone with jack connector is used.
Yes and no because of the XLR connector is locked and the cable is not of the Microphone alone can solve. So something has big advantages over an unsecured 3.5 mm jack. Even moving an XLR connector (as Jack) is not in the socket and therefore caused no crackling and popping. Furthermore you can find much more good than XLR cable jack cable with 3.5 mm Male / Female.
Of the Solo XLR adapter to 3.5 mm jack could cause problems, namely when the full weight s.der small jack on the camcorder depends. This is necessarily a relief needed, for example by the adapter cable with some tape (Gaffa) s.Camcorders or Not synonymous s.Tripod attached.
Otherwise, blesses the little jack due to mechanical stress, the time soon.
Antwort von biber65:
Of the Solo XLR adapter to 3.5 mm jack could cause problems, namely when the full weight s.der small jack on the camcorder depends. This is necessarily a relief needed, for example by the adapter cable with some tape (Gaffa) s.Camcorders or Not synonymous s.Tripod attached. The word on tape calling me a cold shower out. Adhesive tape holds but certainly not last forever, and it looks m. E. from really
rough. Yes I want to work with students, because the whole thing must have a degree of robustness which. And s.brandneuen camcorder tape ranfriemeln ... Long story short: Is there any other kind of relief?
Antwort von biber65:
Through the camcorder, I have found nothing useful (which is according to Samsung's website is not current model) No wonder, I incorrectly. It must be properly Samsung VPD 361 (instead of 363) to say sorry.
Antwort von Markus:
Is there any other kind of relief? I know no other. Gaffa tape is commonplace in the professional field to something s.einer Camera mounted. Alternatively, Velcro is used, but it is suitable for your application is not so good. While this is all a bit tentative, but these methods are commonplace. Do you have a role Gaffa times in the hand and had something so fixated? If not, try it a try. My tip for really good Gaffa:
Gerband Gewebeband 250Stairville tissue band 681RD. The latter come in different colors, but it has a relatively strong smell, but only noticeable when the role is stored. ;-) On Gaffarollen cheap ¬ 3.50 for a long time I refrained. The adhesive residue left behind.
It must be properly Samsung VPD 361 (instead of 363) hot ... Okay, this camcorder has all the necessary connections: AV for a direct control s.Television picture or video monitor, microphone connector in the form of a 3.5 mm jack and Firewire (DV) to transfer the recordings to a computer.
Antwort von TommyMeiers:
Would it make sense to a priori of a cable with appropriate connectors to take the adapter to renounce? There is the what, such as:
CAMERA CABLES: Special Microphone cable for direct connection s.Kameras, minidisc recorders, PC's, etc., XLR female. to mini-jack stereo (with solder bridge between ring + tip!), length 1.5 m
Should I use this mini-jack rather then synonymous with Gaffaband fix?
Antwort von rodi:
Hello,
I have several small plays with my Canon MV200i recorded. About the performers hung a symmetrical condenser microphone (Audio Technica), there was a 20 m long XLR cable and s.anderen end selbstgebastelten via a small adapter to 3.5 mm jack unbalanced with the camera connected.
My relief:
I have s.einer small plate that I s.das threaded screw under the camera, my XLR jack firmly anmontiert and go there with an approximately 20 cm long thin cable on the 3.5 cm plug.
Ideal for interviews.
However, the sound then on the left stereo side, so I use a stereo jack so that the sound on both channels is recorded.
Am I Tripod mount plate with Velcro, because the thread is occupied by Tripod.
This relief has never been my problems and my 3.5-jack is still healing.
Besides the most important thing: I have this setup with a erstklssigen receive sound, no hum, no noise, no adverse Nebengräusche.
mfg
Antwort von TommyMeiers:
This relief has never been my problems and my 3.5-jack is still healing.
Besides the most important thing: I have this setup with a first-class sound get no hum, no noise, no unwanted noise. That sounds good to synonymous. Thank you, Mark and Rodi.
For first-class sound synonymous, but one is the right level. Well yes, I can at this Billgmodell s.Camcorders like the above are not the volume levels. Do I have to accept, or is there a cheap device that I can switch between, to the sound levels? (Reminder: The camcorder has only a mini jack input.) Then I need the USB Recorder maybe not.
Maik
Antwort von Jan:
404ERR
Antwort von TommyMeiers:
The thin sound of the 9600er was synonymous criticized, but somewhere you have a 60 ¬ XLR Microphone synonymous pushing the limits. ...
The Thomann 9900 but on the other hand, was highly praised. Good, then just t.bone EM 9900th It actually seems to be better. Thank you.
... because it was no different, the Microphone (MKE 300) I by Jack in the camcorder connected to the XLR adapter, I needed a mixer. That I do not quite understand, I'm sorry, I'm just beginners. That is so hot that you have the micro times s.den camcorder directly connected searched and another time to the mixer without a camcorder, for example, for dubbing, right?
And once again the levels: Is it feasible, if the camera has no control?
Antwort von Jan:
Only misunderstood, I did interviews and concert recordings meant. Therefore, once a 3.5 mm Microphone jack - interview with XLR adapter for the Konzertmitschnitt directly connected via mixer.
For external devices, I can not say, always have cameras with manual Tonaussteuerung used (GS 500, MVX 45i, HC 7 & FX 7).
Meanwhile the main camera SonyDSR PD 170, at last with no Rumgezicke and RCA jack connections, maybe you will later times synonymous sowas ...
VG
Jan
Antwort von TommyMeiers:
... With XLR adapter for the Konzertmitschnitt directly connected via mixer. Is it perhaps the Micro for my purposes synonymous s.ein small mixer and then connect s.den entrance of the camcorder? Only for the levels, would it?
Antwort von Jan:
Have already written - I have no experience with it.
VG
Jan
Antwort von streetbiker:
Perhaps yes, another something to this. In any case, thank first.
Antwort von streetbiker:
I have in the meantime researched. while I have found only a mixer, which is battery operated and not too expensive: BEHRINGER EURORACK UBB1002. However, it has only RCA outputs.
Constellation is the following possible: I connect the microphone via XLR cable with the mixer and then the mixer via Y adapter cable (1 Mini-jack Stereo / 2 RCA) with the Ext Mic. Input of your camcorder (Samsung VP-D 361). That is unprofessional ischer, but no preference. I'd just like to, whether it's going?
And is the connection from MicroStation to the balanced mixer? That would be nice, because I get a longer cable could be used without fear of interference Müsen. Or is it not because the connection from the mixer to the camera is not symmetrical and thus complete the connection is unbalanced?
Antwort von streetbiker:
I think the effort with the mixer too big.
but goes step by step before.
First you buy a camcorder (eg gs 230)
and a tripod and tried without external micro
perhaps the last ever for the Internet,
if not you can still expand.
gruß cj
Antwort von streetbiker:
First you buy a camcorder (eg gs 230) and a tripod and tried without external micro. perhaps the last ever for the Internet, if not you can still expand. With a creative GS 230 I do everything from what I have, because I can then for financial reasons would no longer expand. I am also a personal friend Klang. (What Cam in a forum may not be as well received. Since then provides a thought: "Make 'n Audio Podacst" or something.) When I look at examples on the net and especially listening, then I personally warrior with some sound a horrific. A not so perfect picture quality, however, I am sooo not important. The sound is simply a priority, sorry.
Tripod must be natural, I had not listed with, but because you have right.
Antwort von streetbiker:
The sound quality on the internet but not necessarily what
with the lack of external micro to do
but may be synonymous with miserable for the compression
internet.
and what use you a good sound with a picture of how a webcam?
So I would first solo sounded test.
Although I know the sound of gs230 not
but I could imagine that the already very good.
I have had many recording situations in which I
no external micro in this, even theater performances
and they are quite passable become.
and possibly synonymous later found an inexpensive micro-alternative
eg.:
http://www.ohrwurmaudio.de/o_beschr.html
the micro synonymous has the advantage that when a classroom synonymous
answering the students can absorb, because the other micros
zusehr are addressed to the acoustics of the room across.
So I would because of the interior shots Recommend
a camcorder with a decent picture to choose, because the test tone, probably totally insufficient and then expand later.
gruß cj
Antwort von streetbiker:
I find that the test pictures, which Jan set up the links did not take much. And for students up to the 10th Class goes well synonymous less Bildqualiät good, I think. The learning method is important, and this is synonymous with lower quality. And if a student on the Internet again, this is even a s.sich fun, especially when he would not be a geek is.
There are some specific circumstances bureaucrats. Just an example: I can devices that are up to 200 euros, same order. Larger expenditures must be approved by the clerk. Even if enough money is available, it is much easier, three devices, each of 200 euros to be ordered as a device to 500 euros. Following the motto: "Why is a camera for 500 euros will be required if it synonymous with what is 250 euros?" An application may abgebügelt. And mixed financing is sometimes not at all. In addition, we are a small school. For a school with over 100 students were perhaps more likely. Since the claims would obviously be higher, synonymous with regard to secondary school students.
Maik
Antwort von streetbiker:
I know of a school, the extra for the video AG ne tolle good Cam bought. The results are still misserabel. It is not on the Cam, but the cameraman. That would be a rider on cars formulate.
Antwort von streetbiker:
If I get some time with students produced a video and it was published on the Internet, the so times in this thread post.
I think the effort with the mixer too big.
but goes step by step before. Yes, it is probably ultimately the most sensible it without first mixer to try. Then you can still continue to see. But anyway I can to not have a camcorder to purchase the more expensive (see above).
Although I initially without mixer start, it interested me, whether I basically use the mixer can be, as I have described (Microphone - XRL -> XRL - mixer - RCA -> mini-jack camcorder). Thank you in advance for any reply.
Maik
Antwort von hansreinhard:
As Tonfachmann I would like a few points clear:
1. Even if the recordings are only for the Internet is a bad sound by compressing not better, but worse. It is the worst synonymous External Microphone, close to the speaker is better than the best built-in camera microphone that is 5 meters away from the speaker.
2. An adapter of XLR to mini-jack needed in this case always the internal solder bridge, now that times a symmetric connection configuration is different than a mini-jack unbalanced, despite the equally 3 Contacts! With a 1:1 adapter you get absolutely no usable signal. So suitable adapter cable (2-5-meter long) to buy, so synonymous is the Gaffa tape problem.
3. A manual audio control is in your case (Professionals please look away!) Is not absolutely necessary, but only complicated the matter. So forget the first mixer, etc.!
4. What you need is a short fishing plus Micro-spider, thus the micro synonymous spokesperson can lead to, or extend a Tripod for Micro, then have the Akto but hardly room to move (do not know what you want to rotate, statements or scenes. ..)
5. This would I have a Walkman Headphones recommend, then you can get at least some control over how the whole thing sounds, or whether it ever sound is recorded (as soon as the mini-jack drinsteckt, is the internal Micro to all cases!)
I hope to have helped a bit!
Gruß, Hans
Antwort von hansreinhard:
Although I initially without mixer start, it interested me, whether I basically use the mixer can be, as I have described (Microphone - XRL -> XRL - mixer - RCA -> mini-jack camcorder). Sorry, I have forgotten:
Yes, it works in principle, but the signal level from the RCA outputs of the mixer is still much too high / loud for the microphone input of the Kamkorders. If the output level is adjustable s.Pult to approximately-20dB down regulate, otherwise the pump limiter in the camera quite disgusting. And: Connection between Camera and console no longer than 2-3 meters and not in the vicinity of power cables set!
Gruß, Hans
Antwort von Blizzard:
Thank you, Hans, these are really good tips. That with the mixer, I had me first Abgeschminkt, possibly supplemented it later. Nice to know that it basically goes. For now can you can try yes, within certain limits a bit by the tone of the post s.Computer rauszureißen (if the recording is not overridden, this will probably get nothing).
So suitable adapter cable (2-5-meter long) buy Just to be on the safe side: Can you tell me if one of my so-so, as I have written above:
CAMERA CABLES: Special Microphone cable for direct connection s.Kameras, minidisc recorders, PC's, etc., XLR female. to mini-jack stereo (with solder bridge between ring + tip!), length 1.5 m 1.5 m, because I have only this one and no longer found. When 5 m synonymous go, the better.
This would I have a Walkman Headphones recommend, then you can get at least some control over how the whole thing sounds, or whether it ever will be sound No bad idea, but as far as I can see from the instructions, this low-cost camcorder no headphone output. Well, since I have to live with.
What you need is a brief along with Angel Micro Spider How short is short? Are there several? (For Stupid)
Maik
Antwort von Blizzard:
Hi Maik,
when it comes to voice recordings on a small budget goes, would be perhaps the radio here called micro ELV WM1 include:
http://www.hennek-homepage.de/video/audio-ton.htm
Gruss
ph
Antwort von hansreinhard:
What you need is a brief along with Angel Micro Spider
How short is short? Are there several? (For Stupid)
Maik Hi Maik, but briefly described what kind of video recordings and in what environment you want to do, then do I easily with tips! Because micro and Fishing spiders can easily cost several times what you did s.Gesamtbudget ... - Would possibly hire (equipment rental) as appropriate.
For cable question: Yes, this seems the right adapter cable to be extended it could be with an additional XLR microphone cable (3 meters about 12 EUR, at such times Thoman)
Gruß Hans
Antwort von Blizzard:
This Microphone is not bad, ph. One has but for the price only one. If interviews are conducted, only one has the Microphone. A little bit, huh? Even a little impractical, the people (eg students), the interview and you just want to ask a question, a small Microphone anzufriemeln. As a complement to a "real" Microphone and not instead, I could tie the microphone in many situations well imagine. Thanks for the tip.
Maik
Antwort von Blizzard:
described briefly but what kind of video recordings and in what environment you want to do, then do I easily with tips I am currently in the process, the students herumzufragen who wants to participate. What will I do, for example, depends on how old the participants will be (mostly 12 or 16, that's a significant difference) and what ideas the students have, because the AG serves not primarily about my ideas to achieve, but the student, otherwise it is for them may not be motivating.
Regardless, I could imagine that we have people from the village interview, we interviewed teachers, the school that we imagine and that we make contributions for which the student directly into the camera talking practically s.jedem city school. In addition, images with dubbing. At game scenes or s.Bühnenmitschnitte I have not thought about it but who knows? Experience shows that young people a slightly different taste than adults. Personally, I would have in the above situations, no problem so that the Micro is visible.
As still yet entirely clear what we all do, it's more important that you first start slowly.
Antwort von Blizzard:
maik sorry,
forget my contributions ... bezgl. catchy and stativ
I assume you take the classes on.
gruß cj
Antwort von Blizzard:
No problem. If I am not clear exterior, something happens.
Antwort von hansreinhard:
Hi Maik, have just a little leisure.
Angel in order to look here:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Teleskop-Tonangel-Mikrofonangel-3-Meter-silber_W0QQitemZ110113959546QQihZ001QQcategoryZ31341QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
You can find a spider Ushi:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Shock-mount-for-Neumann-U-87-Sennheiser-MKH-ME-66-AKG_W0QQitemZ130101360567QQihZ003QQcategoryZ31341QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
Although Amateurkram, but for the school reichts well ...
The Thomann tBone offer of 9600 is a microphone windscreen and
a 6-meter XLR-cable in the process is still brauchts said adapter cable
and possibly another for Micro Tripod (easy enough), to all
Cases, but the camera needs a tripod, because who wants to
constantly shaky images. As a real video tripod is very expensive,
I would not recommend klappriges photo tripod, as sowas:
http://cgi.ebay.de/PROFI-STATIV-Twin-Rail-200-Cullmann-70-164cm-53200_W0QQitemZ140059968775QQihZ004QQcategoryZ15451QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
Missing even a second battery and camera of course, the cassettes.
If everything in the budget to comply with all ...
Gruß, Hans
Antwort von pezi:
They are really specific information. Thank you. Certainly the budget will be respected.
Conclusion: I'll get me as in my first article described the Camera of Samsung and the Microphone t.bone. In addition to all the cases a tripod, plus a fishing spider and a microphone cable to a Page with XLR Male and the other with mini-jack.
To begin, I try my luck once. Whether I will be happy, I will reveal here - for the next, which looks something similar.
Antwort von Jan:
Please take 30 ¬ more for the 9900er - that is deutllich better!
Windscreen is synonymous with, but no XLR cable - but actually not much in the store cost.
VG
Jan
Antwort von AkaAlias:
My high school has a media ag, which schulfernsehenproduziert, and synonymous because we have very limited resources. Equipment: Pana GS75, a tripod Cullmann, cheap micro dynamic, several neugelötoter on minklinke xlr adapter, and a proper XLR cable from our tonabteilung, diei has a little more moderate. Until now we had even a störgeräsch by unbalanced wiring of the microphone, and that were fluorescent lamps dass bet the show is of top quality s.gestiegen to know better and can, and synonymous with private use of my equipments (DV 700, G5 with Final Cut, Canon Camera). Gibts broadcasts online at http://media.rngwangen.de
I was last year in the 10th Class (S.3. Consignment 05/06)
The XLR-mini jack adapter cable I usually fortified with a loop handle s.klettverschluss the bandes.
Antwort von AkaAlias:
Please take 30 ¬ more for the 9900er - that is deutllich better! WARNING: According to the
9900 Prospectus has
no battery power supply, ie is not s.maiks camera to use!
also must be with such a shotgun (keule characteristics) can handle! as a micro-hand for interviews like totally unsuitable!
gruß hans
Antwort von AkaAlias:
the 9900 ... s.maiks camera is not to be used (and) ... as a micro-hand for interviews like totally unsuitable! Good hint. BTW: I have in this forum have read several articles that the 9900 instead of 9600 recommended. However, I have the impression that the person concerned is not the 9600 itself had used. Those who speak from personal experience, quite positive about the 9600 report, for example:
http://forum.slashcam.de/video-cheap-mikrofone-im-selbstversuch-vt15580.html?highlight=bone +9600
http://forum.slashcam.de/tbone-em9600-vt27581.html
Gibts broadcasts online at http://media.rngwangen.de It's already pretty much in the direction of what I am presenting. (It remains to be seen but as I said, what the participants of the WG would like to make.) From the presentation of her I like the videos good. If I would be interested in something, I would have been satisfied.
Antwort von Jan:
Ich hab da mal auf video familiar, and they hoped that a level higher than the amateur filmmakers here.
VG
Jan
Antwort von jonas_kl:
Ich hab da mal auf video familiar, and they hoped that a level higher than the amateur filmmakers here. With several security levels higher than me! That is precisely why we must see the relation:
"What can one of a micro Phone expect that does not cost 60 euros and even a 6-m-XLR cables and a windshield includes?" For me, 60 euros for a Microphone much money and the Microphone sounds to my ears, probably quite good, for editors of
video is 60 euro, but rather the lower price limit and the sound is just acceptable.
In addition, the specific use: the EM 9900 has a stronger directivity. During testing of
video assumes that you know what that means and how to deal with them. I knew it not.
So nothing for ungut, Jan, everything in the green area.
Antwort von Jan:
Good with the battery power goes to my cap-sorry.
Since I've just slept in, although I rarely make mistakes.
To tonte, VAD & videos make my opinion very good microphone tests, video films has even the professional micro Sennheiser MKH 416 "made". With the well-described synonymous Mikros I often have the same experience, the T-Bones, I know just from reading.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Gnet:
As an alternative to the initially mentioned of Samsung camcorder I have now discovered the Canon MV890. He is only marginally more expensive and also has a microphone input, but has supposedly a better picture. I think of what would be for me. It is time to nails with heads to make.
