Frage von pantas:
Hello,
'm new here and have decided rather spontaneously to buy a camcorder. In this way I am, of course, and landed here have studied several buy recommendations.
My budget is small, only the front.
I want to make not just a holiday recordings, but synonymous to experiment a little bit (little "documentaries" to turn to friends / s.PC recording / editing would alienate etc.) So I have a cam, which still allows for some manual settings (focus, aperture) ( Is that important?)
I have the impression that the best cams, do everything possible car, and the IMO is not always optimal.
My Choice I have focused more closely s.dem latest test chip, either the DCR-HC17 (budget) (the last?) Or the Pana NV-GS 75, maybe even the GS150EG-S (then I need to save) -:. ..
Are these cams at all suited to film "experimental", or
do you have other / better (synonymous Hand) alternatives?
Thank you for a few suggestions.
gruss
Pantas
Antwort von GhostDog:
Hi,
I want to make not only a vacation shots, but synonymous to experiment a little bit (little "documentaries" to turn to friends / recordings s.PC / Edit alienate, etc.) The videos of each digit. Camcorder can be on your PC (usually transfer via firewire). Editing synonymous (the 'defamiliarisation') happens in the editing program - built into the camcorder 'Effects' are therefore unnecessary.
That's why I want a CAM, which still allows for some manual settings (focus, (Doors) Does it matter?)
Manual Aperture is only important if you want, for example, manipulate the depth of field (usfür) the so-called 'film look'. This option offers mW, but only the more expensive camcorder.
In standard situations, the autofocus of most of the camcorder to the human 'Focuspuller should be superior'.
Gruss
ph
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
use any effects, fader, one makes today usually s.PC.
If only it must be purchased a MiniDV cassette with IC memory chip. The HC 17 has in many Mag's done well in general.
In addition to manual white balance can be adjusted to almost anything you like eg aperture or shutter speed.
At GS 75, there is ambiguity as favorable opinions 3CCD, Leica lens was spared, one or the other says that the advantage of 3 CCD does not come here thus contribute to the (fine nuances of color, better sharpness, etc..) Videoaktiv in digital still the class and better than 42 or HC MV 300i. Your Low Light weakness can not be forgiven her, So if your movies are mostly done in low light, they may fall away. From the GS 250, the recording quality is significantly better in low light.
The delivery of all GS models can be seen, however, with full-Charger (If you look at Sony, Canon, JVC mostly in vain)
From GS 140 synonymous a good Leica Lens One of the best lens manufacturer in the world in terms of distortion, vignetting (but synonymous in the very steep price)
Shutter speed or other manual controls are for the GS series is no problem.
January
Antwort von jens:
Hello,
use any effects, fader, one makes today usually s.PC.
If only it must be purchased a MiniDV cassette with IC memory chip.
January Hi Jan,
I do not understand. Why you would need for example an IC memory chip Effects? As far as I know, 's are these tapes only synonymous of Sony, which would mean that we could record only with Sony tapes such effects. Apart from that, this IC memory chip yet assigned primarily there to your recordings, for example, book descriptions.
In itself, I'm going with your post vollstens with, only with the IC memory chip (I think anyway) far too expensive to me a little confused.
Greetings, Jens
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
As far as I know it is only the date on a normal mini DV tape and save synonymous shown on TV for example.
Everything else can be seen, however s.Camcorders LCD after dubbing the data path on the TV eg. To the memory storage is there. I have been synonymous with cassettes of Panasonic Chip's been there. In principle, however, nonsense, have you ever once fader or title s.Camcorders entered and reviewed the outcome? Each of times a video editing program to use is smiling.
January
Antwort von jens:
Well, that the use of which is nonsense - that probably is beyond question. Yet we need when shooting with such effects do not chip. Definitely. First, it would indeed be in the manual. Secondly, I did not even have seen with my own eyes (really great ;-) (and the cassette) had no memory.
In my manual (Sony VX2100, p.10) I read only memory with regard to IC:
Search by title of recording
Show of titles
Creating your own tracks
Naming of cassettes
Antwort von GhostDog:
S.alle Thanks for the answers
on the built-in effects, I would like to give (there is PC / MAC) and the camera function is synonymous me no preference (da) digicam available.
Synonymous, I believe that a "brand" lens (Leica, Zeiss) can mean a lot.
This "film look" I'm interested, of course, synonymous, what exactly is it all about?
My fear with an entry-CAM (HC17) very quickly to push boundaries s.The ;-)
gruss
Pantas
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
Perhaps Mark can even speak up (the report itself with a variety of cassettes intensely familiar?)
For titles, I know it well. Community is only in the camera could indeed synonymous, the impression
After a eingeblendenden Title (eg, resulting from sony premium), it is with on the film.
After dubbing the VCR and view s.TV 100% No title is in sight! which I have satisfied myself. For Tape with IC Chip exelence he is still there when he was out.
For eg dazugefügten faders or other effects synonymous, I assumed that they also come with on-chip. Unfortunately, I was asked the question since 5 years no news more. Nagut we do not want to argue about, I know it is not exactly synonymous, perhaps still Markus taught me.
Antwort von jens:
Hey Jan, that's just it. These things are
not there for Title Effects! However, I doubt that is the title of the video. For he is in the attic. Ie, as the film captures on your PC you will see there is no date!
But what the heck. I think these things (and I thought the 's are really
only of Sony), it is not even worth that we make ourselves so hot now.
ciao, jens
Antwort von jens:
Synonymous, I believe that a "brand" lens (Leica, Zeiss) can mean a lot.
Well times do not fool yourself there! Not understand me wrong, with cameras, Panasonic is one of Sonyand certainly never next to it, just annoys me that just so enormous its Sonyimmer ZEISS Lenses promoted. This is just Kundenverarsche ...
That is why the cameras are not bad!
Greetings, Jens
Antwort von Jan:
Hello you,
the Carl Zeiss Lenses probably easier to accept Sonyschickt is. With easy I mean less quality cut glass or high-quality lenses to dispersion, or fluorite lenses as good of Canon (M 2)
Sonyhat probably the screws tightened at Zeiss (price) and looks forward to the Carl Zeiss hype.
That the Lenses for SLR cameras like the Contax Edelfirma (Schweineteuer) the Lenses used (some as high as for XL 2 or more) of Carl Zeiss are outstanding imaging performance and stands out question.
I think at Panasonic is similar with the Leica.
The Sony models still win most of the image test
is probably the fact that even not so high quality lenses are still good enough for the competition JVC and Co. The signal processing also plays a role synonymous
January
Antwort von Jan:
Hello Jens,
first take a nice greeting s.meine hometown!
Dynamo!
January
Antwort von pantas:
Hi,
So the cheap cams offer little manual controls, etc., which affects Aperture. If I have understood correctly, but the GS 75 yet?
Why are the HC 17 is almost 150 Euronen cheaper, just because it has only 1 CCD?
You mean the Lenses not play the violin, so I'd at GS 75 with its 3 CCD are correct but if it allows these manual settings? (ext. microphones can surely versa).
However, I do not need all this Stillimage knickknacks. IMO with a camcorder superfluous. (Have the Sony DSC-F717)
Again: What are the Gebrauchtalternativen?
Thank you for allowing me to annoy you so ;-)
gruss
Pantas
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
again for the film look:
Fast-moving objects appear blurred, flowing movements affect --
as in the movie. Hinzubekommen but most cameras with higher class
as s.Pana AG-DVX 100, XL 2 etc with progressive scan that is 25 P eg, because the automatic Belichtungszeitbei 25P 1 / 25 sec. is. (50i fields as most of them located at 1 / 50 sec. hinzubekommen and the effect is difficult with Einsteigercams or 50i Group favorable ones. As described times with ND filter or Tele Macro (if any taste).
It concerns more the company Sonybei to the HC 90 (800 ¬ is) there some manual options. Panasonic, JVC or Canon is synonymous with the beginners usually already zb s.Verschlußzeiten offer a variety of.
Nevertheless, for me, the GS 75 best in the class, because of good connectivity eg micro-jack or headphone jack.
Good analog and digital signals can be when you only the finest detail.
If you are the SonyHC 17,19,22,32 endscheidest and the sound you do not like
did you stop losing. From the HC 39 du could (thanks to intelligent accessory shoe), a Sony Micro! to improve the sound to connect, but is looking for a Microfonbuchse one of many current Sony's futile to be flexible.
For me, therefore, still a Kauftip for the GS 75, although one or other users in the forum by the current cheapest 3CCD Chipper not so much holding.
January
Antwort von pantas:
Have something else again: the possibility s.eine DCR-700E to come.
Probably a dumb question:
Should I strike?
gruss
Pantas
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
The SonyDCR VX 700?
If the price is good they can strike. Ever since the first Mini DV Camera 1995, the VX 1000, this series is outstanding, to today's VX 2100th
Unfortunately, there is always the danger in second hand for expensive repairs,
was because you never know how the camera takes.
January
Antwort von pantas:
Yes, it is the SonyDCR VX-700E, and I do not know what is the difference between 700 and 700E.
Has not synonymous 3 CCD 's?
gruss
Pantas
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
the E probably stands for European - that is the European version (manuals, language)
As in EC Panasonic Europ. Community.
I've never had the VX 700 Hand in perhaps the reports are still an owner of such a piece of it. 3CCD she has already, I would say, know the model but not exactly.
January
Antwort von jens:
Hello Jens,
first take a nice greeting s.meine hometown!
Dynamo!
January Hey Jan, nice greeting back from your beautiful home ;-)
We want nothing less hope that durchstartet Dynamo this season really. Perhaps' s yes there again soon 1.Bundesliga in the East!
Jens
Antwort von pantas:
Have peeped again:
The VX 700E is the predecessor of 1CCD vx 1000 (3CCD) and synonymous otherwise very outdated (BJ 1996), but has all the manual Einstelleungen, unfortunately, only 417,000 Pix, A-and outputs, DV-IN can unlock, has views 4000 DM cost.
If the pixel differences to a new (about 800,000 pix) so important?
Otherwise, it is hardly used, well preserved, etc.
gruss
Pantas
Antwort von Jan:
Hello Pantas,
if it had an optical stabilizer (?), would be 417,000 pixels
not a problem because when a PAL Picture may not represent yes anyway, I think it was 414,000 pixels. With a digital stabilizer "eats" it unfortunately but again pixels away, sodas may be only 200,000 or 300,000 pixels remain
in a short form again on the stability of Use
dig stability. A motion detector detects possible wobbler - The Picture is electronical corrected after the light was captured by the lens and imaged on the sensor. At present Sony's are out of 800,000 Total MegaPixels - 400.000NettoPixel if the stability s.ist.
stability will be reached as early as optical blurring Lens by changing positions of the lenses
When tested with Canon's optical stabilizer Cam Verwacklungsunruhen be with up to approximately 900 times per second and corrected. XM 2, XL 2 zb.
There are basically only a very small change in gross net
It must have someone in this forum give one VX 700 has or had?
January
Antwort von Markus:
... maybe so Mark can speak up (the report itself with a variety of cassettes intensely familiar?) I skimmed this thread at best, because my time is currently a little short (... renovate my bedroom ;-) ... What is it?
Christian has (te) a VX700 ...
Antwort von Jan:
Hi Mark,
it came to information eg in the SonyExelence IC chip cassettes.
What exactly is on it there?
Only title?
or maybe pop or dazugefügte fader or Effects?
Or even more?
Since you been with Sony cameras have filmed, you'll know exactly intended.
Thanks
January
Antwort von pantas:
CAM now have in my hands to test for now and maybe I'll buy it. Yes, it has an optical stabilizer, then what indeed is probably quite good, because of the "Pixelwegrechnung. Unfortunately, Batteries not hold as long as synonymous expect, but hopefully you can buy more?
Well, my first cam, and it makes a decent impression. The ibook recognizes it without having to mutter (imovie) Picture and sound are OK
However, I have not synonymous Comparison ...
Get a bit of time shooting and then report.
gruss
Pantas
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
na then good movies! Perhaps it has to be some of the NP 970 F to be ....
January
Antwort von Markus:
Hi Mark,
it came to information eg in the SonyExellence IC chip cassettes.
What exactly is on it there? ->
If already up next ... Supplement: Looking for photos (still images stored on the tape, if the storage of still images is possible on the tape) and indices (plural of index ;-)
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
Thanks Mark, as Jens has basically been right.
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