Frage von Iris:
Hello,
we get in the coming weeks and coming so we can keep our dwarf Top Of s.in Picture and sound, we want to buy us a camcorder. Everyone recommends us to another, but we thought s.eine camera with hard drive, for example, Jvc, but we did not want to spend more like 500th - Euro! But since my friend and I are absolute amateurs in this area and have absolutely no plan like this, we hope that someone can help us here! Or maybe it is ne Camera w / DVD or Mini DV ... better?? I'm very puzzled ... But for far too long we have no more time ... Dwarf is coming in 8 weeks!!
THANK already times in advance ...
Antwort von wolfgang:
If you want to rework it a bit, so rausschneiden not successful scenes, perhaps make a title to such things is stop, then still a simple camcorder based on mini-DV tape recording.
DVD or mini-DVD, I would completely advise against it was the one you are you absolutely sure that it never really considering a post-processing. As do the people regularly hard to dub the material at all on a PC. Hard disks are synonymous not necessarily a must.
Good would be if the device has input - in the event of subsequent follow-up - a DV. About the product can then be cut in the best possible quality play back on tape, and then pick for the future.
Good is synonymous with children's pictures, if the device has reasonably good lowlight properties, one can therefore synonymous film bearable well indoors. Small children are often times stop indoors, especially now on the upcoming autumn and winter. Apropo indoors - there are usually synonymous, the wide-angle characteristics important to many camcorder just stop showing indoors a rather small field of view.
Relatively large amount of money for the offer, usually, the small Panasonic entry-level devices, because they usually offer slightly more control than, say, Sony devices. Sonyhat traditionally good for automatics. Which device is now supposed to be specific - now that help is often synonymous tests in magazines, such as in Videoaktiv digitally.
It can raussuchen synonymous people from these magazines certainly test equipment that would be suitable. But there should drop a little more trying to say in the debate, which would be important to you.
And of course you should always go into business and take the device into your own hands. You must even with the device "may", it should be you.
PS: the question of a suitable cut-PC and a suitable editing software then arises synonymous yet - but one step after another.
PS2: Do not buy the device in latter of minutes, so you want to test it a little longer synonymous. And if one has never filmed, the synonymous needs a little practice.
Antwort von Markus:
Or maybe it is ne Camera w / DVD or Mini DV ... better?? My vote is also the case MiniDV. Why, you will know Ushi:
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not only tend to MiniDV, but ... "
find suitable DV camcorder for me (500 ¬ ± 100 ¬) BTW:
Antwort von Iris:
Danke schon mal for your very helpful tips, but what do you think now of ner camera with hard drive, my cousin, her husband swears by it because, for example, but I've heard that since then the battery will be very fast empty?? Let us stop just buy what already good and we did not bother us then in retrospect about our bad buy! Can you recommend synonymous no special camera, or where we preferred not to buy??
Antwort von Acer:
[...] Or where we preferred not to buy?? Yeah, you must not under any circumstances
- A DVD camcorder
- An HDD (read: hard disks) Camcoder (in any case JVC)
- A Samsung camcorder
- A Hitachi camcorder
purchase.
I can think of only the Panasonic NV-GS180 or the Canon MVX40, which I can recommend you for this price.
Ciao ;-)
Antwort von Iris:
On what data you should look for in ner Camera since then, so they synonymous is good?
It should stop pretty handy to be synonymous and the handling of rather simple to understand. What then argues against JVC, Samsung, and Hitachi (never heard of?).
A friend has a JVC ner with 30 GB hard drive and raves about the it's supposed to be the best thing on the market, but since I do not know much about since I can not say much about this. On the other hand gave us the type recommended by the Electronic Load a with Mini DV, as should always be empty at a fast HDD with the Battery and that everything can not be sufficiently mature, right?? ....
But somehow it has me very confused, so I'm glad that I get some good advice here, like my s.festhalten Sohnemann indeed in good picture & sound quality of the beginning!!
Antwort von Markus:
A friend has a JVC ner with 30 GB hard drive and raves that this is what is supposedly the best on the market ... As your friend but has not seen much from the market! ;-)
The targeted price range you should absolutely stay with the big brands, so Panasonic, Canon Sonyoder. The other brands that fall on more time because of larger weaknesses.
Antwort von znieh:
Hello,
In my experience the following:
1. Among the big brands remain (Canon, Sony, Panasonic and JVC possibly).
2. Be sure to test on handling and maneuverability (not small size pipes!); Handling in the electronics markets.
3. Good choice of system to consider:
MiniDV: (best grade of less compressed codec); s.PC best post option, and: best long-term storage (tape durable than DVD!); Disadvantage: Mechanics
DVD: easy handling with the appropriate player; disadvantage codec (self-produced DVDs never reach the quality of DV tape;) storage (aging, the DVD for me is only a temporary solution because of excessive compression.
Hard drive: no media advantage, disadvantage any media (Where to go with the film, archive? codec as bad as the DVD, post s.PC not so simple and just like the DVD, what to do with a full hard drive on vacation?) ; Festplattencams are only interesting when it Fetsplatten great with DV codec is!
To buy SD: No reason
4. Lowlight skills: This is a hot iron; test reports are here to enjoy with caution, as must be indoor and lowlight not the same. In the candlelight () So, all in low-light cameras are bad, use my recommendation: Buy a machine with accessory shoe and a video light to illuminate the short ones to good, in daylight is not necessary in interiors in general! In spite of known problems lowlight I use Canon, for example!
5. Select case (auchevetuellen) SLR ambitions and experiences necessarily a device with direct manual control options (Aperture, etc.), as each is automatic s.ihre limits.
Conclusion: In general, despite the recommendation goes to MiniDV tape mechanism and the associated disadvantages. Up to $ 500 is there a great choice including DV - In.
MfG
znieh = Heinz
Antwort von ron1711:
I got a few weeks ago just before the same problem, however, had estimated about 150 euros more.
Actually, I was a fan of the HDD (because so beautifully simple and no tapes needed, etc.), I have now, however, synonymous purchased a MiniDV (Panasonic NV-GS 300), the arguments do hold up next. Nevertheless, I wanted to say two things:
1. (In this forum, it seems) to me in recent weeks and more professionals as user "as we" go and why they are outrageously expensive and you always guess at first glance exaggerated accessories;)
2. I have formed my opinion because of this forum and last .. And they were right. Whether it is now a wide-angle (absolutely buy it!), However, one fault effect has more or less, and then 3 people really arguing here about it, whether it is worse or better now, there is usually more fun to read.
Overall, however, undergoes but a thoughtful advice synonymous (if exaggerated some things to fall into "good ( ¬)" things.)
If I may recommend in the price range for something (with my knowledge) then I would recommend a Panasonic (NV-GS180 EG-S) or Sony (DCR-HC 46E). Both cameras will be more than adequate to its purpose (to let the children grow up and shoot them in doing so) to fulfill. (I love my old Super - High - 8 (?) Synonymous with the yellowish and blurry images)
Antwort von dvfreak:
I see the synonymous ...
nv gs 180 and hc 46 are suitable for your purpose just s.besten to spend more money is not worth it. but I would take of the two cameras for panasonic
http://www.produkte.panasonic.de/product/product.asp?sStr=4 @ - @ 10 @ 21 @ 120@@@@NV GS180EG-S @ Mini DV | Camcorders @ & N & upper = old-fashioned = & prop =
Antwort von Iris:
Super, thanks.
I'll just watch the camera views!
Antwort von steveb:
small addition ... depending on price and availability synonymous still the 280s Panasonic kept in mind. Up to about 600 euro (imho) the best of MiniDV, but otherwise the 180s please :-)
Antwort von Iris:
Thanks again for your help, were now in Elekrogeschäft this morning and bought us the Sonydcr-hc 46, as she has s.besten promised.
Now we can rejoice in peace on the birth of our Sohnemann!
Can only recommend this forum as it has really helped us with the great plenty of useful tips!
Antwort von ron1711:
It would be nice if you after a little trial and error, a smaller report wrote about the camera could. How do you feel the benefits in room light, etc ...
Certainly helps the other synonymous ... because it is usually selected always the Panasonic ..
Have fun shooting ..
Antwort von Iris:
Will I make, are unfortunately not yet come up big to try, because we are right up at the nursery. But next week we are finished and then we'll start times!
Until then, many greetings Iris
Antwort von Lincoln6Echo:
Hello s.alle!
I stand before a purchase of a new camcorder! In the moment I still own a SonyHI8 Of! Choice was between the mini-DV or DVD! Since I have in this area would not have a clue to me very different buying tips to help! I've heard the DVD camcorder to rechtviele problems and always will Disadvised of them! Can I say one? Furthermore, I can say this still was the purchase of one of the two camcorders should be cherished and the one after Ägerten not buy on!
Schonmal Thanks in advance!
Regards
Antwort von oliver II:
Hello Lincoln6Echo!
Hurry! You! already! mal! the! above! Posts! read?
If! yes! then! know! You! really! why! no! DVD!
S.Rande quick question, you have (on your keyboard is no point.) More. Is this something new of the IFA?
Antwort von arrakis303:
Bin beginners and pro DVD, here's my opinion / impression:
Quality:
In the various newspapers of the camcorder quality difference between DVD and DV in the price range is displayed 400 to 600 euros as barely exists. The freaks here from the forum will see it appear different. Who is right? I have the impression the freaks just want to stop to significantly better quality than the standard beginner. Is indeed synonymous quite a difference whether one looks at the film on nen normal TV or home theater.
price:
The camera is expensive. That's just a mini-DV recorder there.
The blanks are more expensive. However, if you max. two per month is a film that is still acceptable. For that I'm interested in the blank
I can play almost anywhere.
Postprocessing:
I have created in recent days, several great DVDs with Magix Deluxe 2006/2007. Starting material were recorded DVDs. I have imported the VOB files. But I have also worked synonymous of TV mpeg2 files. That much time on it is gone. The result is indeed great) (with marvelous DVD menu and Beschriftgungen in the film. But I needed a lot of time synonymous.
And has) the conversion of a large DVD (Packed two to three hours to complete. I have a 2.5 GHz Calculator with 512MB of RAM.
I assume that the post with DV material is not fast. And if I want to have the DV data to DVD conversion is the most synonymous like a long time. And when I replay the material to DV so synonymous takes time.
I like working with the PC. However, I have no desire to spend 60 minutes of film per month for four or five hours with it. In addition, the process would be faster with DV??
Durability:
ok for me a great argument for DV. My films are for our daughter. But looks only at about 10 years later. So I'm the top film on hard drive and can make DVD backups. However, I will be in 5 or 10 years of data have very different possibilities (bold DVDs or other media, as well as the hard disks are getting bigger and cheaper).
Greetings from Siegen
Michael Heine
Antwort von Jan:
Yes if you but 2 Gleichteure models, let's assume Panasonic VDR 150 / GS 180 (so ca) shall have the better picture you get with Mini DV GS 180 (then about 30-50 e apart one company that can deliver).
The Connections (Headphones, Micro), or 3 CCD technology, Stillimage's with 2.3 million pixels you get to the VDR 150 not because one has to put VDR 250 - which in principle ne GS 180 with DVD is the time is right ca 150-200 ¬ later)
Now draufan what quality is set to come to know most of the XP (not 20 min mode), with many details to the trained eye can
as soon as the quality already at 30 or even stretched to 60 minutes. Then, when the data rates at some point at 5 Mbit / sec have been one or the other DVD / HDD comes with camera pans in their problem area.
So this 20-minute film fit only a 30 minute DVD, which often must be finalized (except VR mode, Canon & Sony), which may take synonymous times 10 min s.Stück that JVC even at low data rates with lower quality sound takes up knowing yes not all synonymous. And Jan / Feb / march new DVD coming out MPEG 4 DVD camcorder, which means MiniDV will survive longer than the existing DVD camcorder.
DVD camcorders have been caught, but not at the level of MiniDV, especially on price / quality in the same price range, one must observe many things eg individual chapters deletion in the VR mode but again, not every player currently rules, etc.
Yes drive noise and hassle of return and Herspulen speaks for DVD. And the lengthy DVD authoring with the PC / Mac, but why are DVD Recorder with DV IN - there is already ne fast DVD creation with a MiniDV camera possible.
We should stop buying what you want but DVD camcorders just have many small hooks ...
VG
Jan
Antwort von Rico2006:
Will I make, are unfortunately not yet come up big to try, because we are right up at the nursery. But next week we are finished and then we'll start times!
Until then, many greetings Iris Hi
gibts schon was neues in sachen erfahrungsbericht with the sony dc46?
Thank you
Rico2006
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) And the conversion to a large DVD (Packed) took two to three hours. I have a 2.5 GHz Calculator with 512MB of RAM.
I assume that the post with DV material is not fast. And if I want to have the DV data to DVD conversion is the most synonymous like a long time. (...)
In addition, the process would be faster with DV?? (...) No.. As you go from wrong. DV to DVD is much shorter than disc to disc.
DV is much easier to edit and is 10 times as fast rendering such as MPEG-2. The treatment with DV would be MUCH faster.
