Frage von Squizz:
Hello!
I do not want me "just for fun filming" move up a camcorder to blödsinn there!
We should stop seeing ne better quality than videos of Digital Cameras ^ ^
What I need: mic-in, 16:9! (the rest should just be standard)
I know the parts with very little, so I ask you for help!
max. price is 500 ¬ ... but I would prefer if it would be cheaper mäöglichst:)
Schonmal Thank you ... cya!
Antwort von Jan:
Hello Squizz,
Let's stay out when the new models, Micro and want real 16 / 9 then there SonyHC 39 (but only for a Sony Micro + with more focus when 16 / 9)
Canon MV 330 (micro-jack 3.5 for universal Micro, reel 16 / 9 mode.
For JVC has almost every (s.GR D 245), a micro-access but at the same price class, only the image area at 16 / 9 (If you then change only the top and bottom black bars and the section remains the same)
With Panasonic's GS 75 looks exactly like in the JVC.
The new models come out now you can in terms of image quality, but difficult to assess stability at Canon have now each a microphone input (synonymous beginners MV 900, all the better, of course, synonymous 16 / 9 mode)
Using the search function and you can find Some of these models.
LG
January
Antwort von Squizz:
hi jan ... thanks for the info!
decide but I can not yet: (
Antwort von Squizz:
Hi!
Have now the Panasonic S-GS75EG taken into eye, apparently it is better than Canon MVX 200i/250i and ne ne SonyHC32/39!
Then I'll reach for Panasonic GS75EG-S ... or GS180EG-S?
thanks ... it schonmal iuch hope someone can answer and help me!
cya!
Antwort von Jan:
Exactly Squizz,
The GS 75 has in the class with the far the best picture in daylight and normalausgeleuchteten spaces. The GS 75 has often talk about, with the search function to find Something. If the new GS 180 makes an even better impression, especially in the "sleep light field," one should perhaps wait for you, it would be quite possible.
LG
January
Antwort von Squizz:
Hello!
Many thanks for your information ... very nice! :)
Will probably take the GS180EG-S! The Canon MVX 200i/250i and SonyHC39/32 if I have understood correctly not too good!
thanks, cya!
Antwort von Jan:
Hello Squizz,
HC 39 would be comparable with the GS 75, the Canon's are already 2 generations back (The last generation was 300.330 and 350 with MV and without i)
For many camera magazines, the GS was 75 your best in the class, just behind the SonyHC 39th Stop is a matter of opinion.
I hope the GS 180 is still better than the GS) 75 (Vorallem in light sleep, but it may be our hope is not confirmed.
It can not give it a lot of testing.
The GS 280 is but for me already much better than the old GS 140, which I could test.
LG
January
Antwort von Squizz:
Hi!
Many thanks for the answer!
Why are you talking about in the future? (I hope that the GS 180 is still better than the GS 75)
The gibts doch schon ^ ^ http://www.dnet24.de/xt/product_info.php?ref=77&products_id=100524
http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/a183097.html
ok danke erstmal!
bye!
Antwort von Jan:
Because many companies have the camera while in the program, but the camera will be delivered in early February of Panasonic Germany. In Europe or Asia could have an Internet retailer of goods, the goods have vorätig, I know is not there when sales start.
LG
January
Antwort von Squizz:
Hi!
you think it is worthwhile to spend 50 ¬ more? ... or should I rather take up the GS75EG?
Antwort von Jan:
Time will tell!
LG
January
Antwort von MiXMaster:
Hello Squizzy,
you said that the importance of 16 / 9 for you, right?
Then I advise you off of the GS75EG because they cheat. Instead of distorting the traditional picture to picture, and win more, they simply must use only two black bars above and below in the Picture and reduces the image information by 30%.
If this mode is for you, but is not so important, I can only recommend them to you. 2.2 (good) for the very strict "Stiftung Warentest", the reins have here at home, if you wanted to have more information about the action. Ah yes, quality = 1.8 (good)
Regards
L.
Antwort von Squizz:
hi .. many thanks for the info!
16:9 is not that important ... but thank you!
Many movies have yet synonymous touch them!
cya!
Antwort von MiXMaster:
hi .. many thanks for the info!
16:9 is not that important ... but thank you!
Many movies have yet synonymous touch them!
cya! Yes, yes, but the GS75 cheating, it shall simply 2 bars on your normal picture. So you lose image information.
If it is correct 16:9 You will have 30% more screen content, the picture is projected (slightly torn extrapolated () but not visible to you) so it is larger and then you have no loss in picture.
Antwort von Squizz:
hi .. thanks for the info!
tja ... would need the cam as soon as possible! ... really urgent!
now I can not decide between GS75EG-S (433 ¬) and GS180EG-S (499 ¬) ... or unless there are more lustful ne cam around 500 ¬:)
because of the GS180EG ... it's up to panasonic.de s.mitte January that they will be there ... but at the shops it is still stocked Nirg: D ... lol
schonmal thanks .... cu!
Antwort von CamPhilip:
TIP:
TAKE THE GS-NV180 !!!!!
IS INTENDED TO MUCH BETTER BECAUSE YOU BY THE FOLLOWERS OF THE GS-NV150 IS THE BETTER THAN THE 150s GS-NV75!
TAKE THE GS-NV180!
LG
CamPhilipp
Antwort von AndyZZ:
I'm not sure with whether the followers are getting better or worse for not much!
Before the election, the GS or the NV400 (lt.Panasonic key point made probable) successor to GS-NV500 should take, I would probably take the 400.
Often the Manufacturer in the subsequent models are under pressure to improve the picture next, but at the same time with stairs down to the price. Results are then such inane things, like the whole touch screen operations at the new Sony cameras. The Picture is great, the possibilities as well, but the ease of use 'ne disaster!
Sometimes you fall so synonymous sneak things away to be able to disqualify such as headphones or microphone port, the possibility of the sound synonymous manual etc.
So inform yourself comprehensively always nice!
Greeting
Andy
Antwort von Jan:
Hello you,
the predecessor of the GS 75 and GS 180 is the predecessor of which in 2003 published GS 70, the GS 140 / 150 of a different class and was abgelösst GS 280th
Today I've got the new GS 180 and completed short time a test with the GS 75 / GS 180th Important features such as lowlight, AF speed, sharpness, stabilizer were very similar in my opinion.
The new 16 / 9 mode (with more field as described above) but has a hook synonymous, the display window of the GS 75 in the normal 4:3 mode is larger (more wide) than the newer GS 180th
The new track is a compact and has been described as more pixels.
But otherwise eg menu, Connections, I could hardly detect any significant differences, there's probably only AGS Prgrammer s.GS 280th
Wait times what trade magazines say, but for me they are quite similar in all score. And with my little pre-test of the Canon MVX 4i a few months ago - yes, I was pretty much the same with the Test of Videoaktivdigital (latest edition)
LG
January
Antwort von CamPhilipp:
I must say also that your camcorder must be 2 generations ago does not slow down worse than the newer, right?
Am I wrong?
Can someone views me the difference between GS and GS-NV150 NV explain 180, would be grateful, that is synonymous looking one from the series.
Can you compare Panasonic (NV-GS 150/180) with Canon (MVX45i/Mv850i). The four seem to be pretty much in the conversation.
Thanks in advance.
LG
CamPhilipp
PS: Oh yes, Louis, who is here in the forum recently, I am, but I call myself now CamPhilipp, hot, in fact, I Philip, but Lewis sounds like nich so toll
little info ...
Antwort von CamPhilipp:
apology if I rip a new theme, nich've thought of it ... , (
Antwort von Squizz:
hiho!
So many many thanks to jan for the test, really great that we will support here so great:)
if the cams are similar, then I could take without further ado, the GS75!? ... because it is synonymous cheaper and available.
What is really the SonyDCR HC42? ... is worse than the synonymous ne GS75?
schonmal jo ... danke ^ ^
Antwort von Jan:
Hello you,
The old series of the 3 CCD ConsumerPanasonic is GS 75,140,150,250,400.
the successor models GS 180 (GS 75), GS 280 (GS 140), GS 300 (GS 150), GS 500 (GS 250 / GS 400).
Look at Panasonic.de are there for all to describe in detail, old as new.
I know not all synonymous differences in the head, at GS 75 / GS 180 are still installed Panasonic Lenses, at the higher (GS 140 / 280) of the German Topfirma Leica Lenses, next to synonymous higher pixel count is available.
So if the price of more expensive GS 180 and the reel 16 / 9 mode is not so important to GS 75 would be the better choice is synonymous if mainly worked in 4 / 3 has (GS 75 more wide Angleim 4 / 3 mode)
At the next GS 280 but I would not immediately GS 280 and GS go to previous 140th The optical stabilizer (in the old first s.GS 250) has convinced me fully, the GS 140 in addition to 10x zoom jerky even violently, over the majority of pixels you may argue, just like the new feature AGS (Anti Ground Shooting) function where in the discontinuation of the camera to the front, on the recording mode, the camera automatically switches to pause, to prevent senseless shooting when the camera is directed not at the front, but down.
The SonyHC 42 has been described a thousand times here in the forum, it is equated with the GS 75th
One can hardly tell who is better, both are on the same level, each has its strengths.
For me: HC 42
+ Stabilizer, AF Speed, Low Light, DV + AV IN / OUT, reels 16 / 9
- Only Sony Micro connector, touch screen (a matter of opinion), S-video only with extra cable Sony25 ¬
GS 75
Top + daylight images, many manual functions (shutter speed, accurate Aperture, gain), full charger supplied, joystick navigation, cassette compartment-up (tripod Filmer), Stillimage's with 1.7 million pixels
- Stabilizer in lowlight a little worse, bigger, only DV / AV out, only Beschmuh 16 / 9 mode
LG
January
Antwort von Squizz:
hi .. Vieln many thanks for the detailed info!
I would pick the Panasonic GS75EG-S (+ Case + Battery +5 MiniDV cassettes) to 500 ¬ for www.tec24-7.com!
I hope that the price is ok ...
Thank you all for the info ... s.Jan is a BIG THANK YOU! :-)
So ... would you can then transmit the testbericht GS75 write in the forum:)
ceeyah!
Antwort von Jan:
Thank you, then always plenty of good films and tapes!
LG
January
Antwort von Squizz:
hi Jan. .. sorry that I am here once again start, but the Canon MVX 300 (without i) or SonyHC32/39 should be synonymous but good!
Well .. got a problem, my "chef" said that in the 'filmchen' yet to be filmed in the dark must be synonymous. Hmm ... now I've got a bad feeling s.der sache.
Can the Panasonic vll in the night (as with camp fire and nem ner lantern or torch) really see NOTHING?
So, I ned white, fine quali is already important ... but good!
hmmm ... damn, jetz gehts los back of the front: (
schonmal danke ^ ^
ceeyah!
Antwort von Jan:
Hello Squizz,
hopefully that Mark has not read, a camcorder, the first-class picture at night without lighting and brings then in the consumer class?
Nagut if it is mostly carried out at Schlumerlicht and will not be illuminated or may be, then the Sony models have their noses in front.
The Konkkurenten have verrauschtertes Picture (Canon, Panasonic, JVC, especially Samsung). Most companies take befitting the night program is a lamgsame shutter speed (synonymous Panasonic and Canon), when the movements are not as good looks. Sonyhat in HC eg 32 or 39, a Infarotlicht (we have once fought, so I think it is enough good 3-5 meters) and still in Color (Nightshot plus) with a possible gain.
By doing this you will get the best result without night to light in the consumer class, but a real film-maker would prefer to try with eg a 75 watt (less or more) video light.
LG
January
Antwort von Squizz:
hi jan! very nice, thank you!
yes, so I only do so nen "fun movie" ... just so you know just 4 fun?
actually I have set up before such a list ... In any case, either Sony32 da ne (which should be better than ne 39th) or the Panasonic GS75!
If we look at the Panasonic really NOTHING? .. So if I nedmal with the torch illuminating the way someone face? ... would see at least something to have Fedd ^ ^
cya!
Antwort von Markus:
... hopefully that Mark has not read, a camcorder, the first-class picture at night without lighting and brings then in the consumer class? However, he has read! ;-)
About everything else was already written:
"
... then I can shoot by candlelight, and watch TV-like images ... "
What you could change the recording to get better pictures? Some just stop believing that the manufacturers claim "0 lux" feature is a toy if they (poor) results were allowed to see and experience. ;-)
Antwort von Squizz:
hi markus ... going to take probably the GS75 ...
I know not how to thank you! Without you (especially jan) I would have bought vll "something" from the dealer!
thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!
testberichte then come ... WITH VIDEOS times that people can see the same quali:)
bye! :)
