Frage von GhostDog:
Hi,
I zuzulegen I am planning a digital camcorder and wanted to bring to even the experts advise, as I gets very specific requirements s.dieses stelle.
as an introduction was once told that I work as a VJ (digital-live-visuals), but I really know much about cameras with not at all.
I need the camera:
1) as a live-video-input on my performances at various events
2) to film video material that I then s.pc postprocessing (after effects - working with a lot gekeyten objects)
3) Turn the small video-dokus for personal use - although I do not want to exclude a professional recovery, every second film will also be taken, however, certainly digitally processed (at least farbkorrektur, etc)
Requirements:
High quality at low illuminance or strongly fluctuating illumination (party-lights!)
Robust! as synonymous to permanently outdoor events in einsatz dust (, humidity, etc))
Hand Light, portable,
obligatory (!) network operation, but battery life was long synonymous fine
nice would be synonymous some useful (!) "onboard" video-effects and filters (though this is not so important - because it rarely is this anyway;))
less important to me is, for example, the color rendering, as with everything anyway reworked or effects shall be documented.
Image quality is generally synonymous, I think, more or less neglected.
not necessarily synonymous in fact I need a dv input. anyway since I work only with minute-long film sequences and one terrabyte hdd space'm equipped (badly it would not, however)
an important criterion is of course synonymous of price, the basis of my limited budgets should be as low as possible
(my restilches equipment was already Schweineteuer - and because of the purpose the camera is unlikely to survive 2 years)
Thank you for your reply!
andi
Antwort von cybustrial:
strange ... was probably just not logged ....
So the contribution is originally of me:)
Antwort von cutter200:
Hi synonymous,
for this kind of "special needs" You are probably with a video phone uses the best! ;-)
- Art is not just coming of "skill" --
Antwort von Axel:
Recommendations in this order, second-hand equipment, price of 1-3 descending, all Cams meet all the requirements, they differ primarily by the light sensitivity, DV-in all:
1. SonyVX2100
2. SonyVX2000
3. Canon XM2
Antwort von Axel:
Hi synonymous,
for this kind of "special needs" You are probably with a video phone uses the best! ;-)
- Art is not just coming of "skill" -- But art is not synonymous of high-tech property. I find the requirements well described. I myself know VJs and LJS, and helped himself to the gathering of some clip behavior. In an area where it is apparently only for effects, can you separate the wheat from the chaff AND talent. Herumzuschnippeln things other than days s.einem music video.
Antwort von cybustrial:
Hi synonymous,
for this kind of "special needs" You're probably with one probably because someone has somehow not properly read or ask not understand?
've already worked with several cameras ... partially with devices around 2000 ¬ and more - my requirements by far, failed to meet ....
we saw a black screen ... or a totally blurred or flickering images ... next nothing ....
synonymous if I should go out not really ... However ... a video-handy (aside of the resolution) is not far from the location any of my requirements to meet ...
- Art is not just coming of "skill" -- I would interpret this as an insult?
naja ... if your contribution should be fun;)
still practice a bit;) - or better yet ....
@ Axel: thank you! I'll look at the models once ....
Antwort von cutter200:
@ cybustrial
Nothing is further from my thoughts than your insult to the documented examples of art - I thought only that it arrives at your projects much more on ingenuity and imagination than on earth, measurable quality of the raw materials. If this is true, I consider the use of the simplest, cheapest imager certainly worth considering, since the final product yet anyway, "From the Tube" comes. Of course, a video-phone is only a "cheap" source, if it already has - but what I am in a very modern artists like you presuppose!
When purchasing new one could think of synonymous s.eine WebCam. Again, this input is through the genius of the artist, if successful, to the sensuous sensation in large-screen projection.
Why try so "noble steeds?
Antwort von jens:
@ cybustrial
Again, this input is through the genius of the artist, if successful, to the sensuous sensation in large-screen projection.
Why try so "noble steeds? What have you all, but of the "Genius" if you can see on the screen nothing?
Antwort von chrisgau:
less important to me is, for example, the color rendering, as with everything anyway reworked or effects shall be documented.
Image quality is generally synonymous, I think, more or less neglected. 'm Not a professional cameraman, but I've read several times that the best input for strangely colored images is still a perfectly illuminated, high-quality picture. I understand that so that you can only use the full spectrum of color filters and digital effects of alienation if the inputs or less neutral, color-balanced and is of high quality. You can not polish shit.
Accordingly, I would oppose your comments but to achieve the best possible Farbwiedergave and a good to very good image quality. The above mentioned cameras are next to no doubt well suited. I'd maybe the list of Panasonic NV-GS400 yet. Is more compact and easier to transport. For this they would certainly be less robust. Image Quality and Color performancesollten agree, however.
Regards,
chrisgau
Antwort von Henry_Lee:
1. SonyVX2100
2. SonyVX2000
3. Canon XM2 I want s.dieser body, the
Canon XL1S Add to emphasize and even synonymous - is certainly the most robust and synonymous is the best in picture quality! ... synonymous if of course the largest and thus difficult to carry ...
I do my heavy rumschleppen but with the XL1, although I miss the benefits of the XL1S!
Antwort von cybustrial:
after I have tested several camcorders at the last party wildbahn freer ", and was extremely dissatisfied with the result .... (on the party was evident in the dark except a little too dark picture - it looked just-made white kleindungsstücke only those who have shone in the uv-light), I have nightshot me for radio-transmitting-held cameras;)
because the building is indeed green, but for live performances, it is really brilliant 5-6 cameras distributed on the party to install, which I can control separately ...
thanks for all the advice ...
probably my solution now comes s.The but rather "mobile camera" approach;)
footage for the production, I will continue to rental units, as, until now, ...
@ chrisgau: So basically you are right ... chased it - you've already filtered once a picture with digital evidence, then through an analog mixers, followed by 1-2 effect devices, about 30 meter cable and then transferred to a second-beamer seen?
it's as if one makes music, makes himself behind a roaring waterfall, and it sounds;) --
- Different color detail will be less than nebensache.
Therefore, the picture quality to me is more or less no preference - it is only important that we recognize something synonymous in the pitch black ...
Antwort von Kiara Borini:
I would want to exclude the views of the new hard disks Cams JVC generally not. Thus, a Everio GZ-MC500 is quite nice. Preferable to small, portable and in relation to dust resistance certainly a tape solution.
These de advantage is that the camera
can record due to the lack of any cassettes Motors' Bandgeräuse "!
My experience from the "interview" show, moreover, the smaller the camera, the more people are at ease in front of the lens. Only media-savvy / mediengeile people live on just right, when a shoulder-mounted camera shows them. The rule is but nciht.
The test recordings I've just seen of this model are quite useful.
When processed the videos with regard to color and filtering, which is equipped with 3CCDs certainly not synonymous point of the hand.
Here I found a few more details:
Antwort von cutter200:
I would want to exclude the views of the new hard disks Cams JVC generally not. Thus, a Everio GZ-MC500 is quite nice. Preferable to small, portable and in relation to dust resistance certainly a tape solution.
These de advantage is that the camera can record due to the lack of any cassettes Motors' Bandgeräuse "! Unfortunately, in practice, fulfills the camera (not video), the theoretical expectations completely. The Stills are a class camcorder, but just the sound is terrible, because at low external level, the automatic ensures that 1 the Gerödel the mini-hard drive grauselig bother, 2 any structure-borne sound (hand movement) is disturbing recorded. Remedy impossible, since no level control, and no connection for external micro.
In addition, the built creating mpeg2 encoder for motion scenes no sharp-looking picture.
I have been back ordered my copy and will wait at least 1 generation of devices.
Antwort von Gast:
Unfortunately, in practice, fulfills the camera (not video), the theoretical expectations completely. The Stills are a class camcorder, but just the sound is terrible, because at low external level, the automatic ensures that 1 the Gerödel the mini-hard drive grauselig bother, 2 any structure-borne sound (hand movement) is disturbing recorded. Remedy impossible, since no level control, and no connection for external micro.
In addition, the built creating mpeg2 encoder for motion scenes no sharp-looking picture.
I have been back ordered my copy and will wait at least 1 generation of devices. I do not know this particular camera. I myself flirting with the Panasonic HVX 200, which is to come out this fall. That there's no holiday this year or new shoes. That would be bitter if it turns out, that record is created synonymous with the P2 - a scratchy noise when cards.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
the JVC MC 500, one can argue, I have tested them synonymous.
The photo quality is clearly still under 4 million pixel digital camera quality (strong color noise)
Because of the MPEG 2 recording quality at moderate swing it is not overlooked. The Aufnahmmedien have your problems
zb not Microdrive - resistant to cold, hard drive as very sensitive to eg Fibrations.
SD and CF card - several GB significantly overpriced
About the MPEG 2 editing, we have already frequently agitated.
January
