For some time I guck me after camera cranes around, but they are in the trade much too expensive, so BUILDING ITSELF. At the moment I'm still looking s.planen and material.
Under disem link are pictures of how to look again. (Did I decided to recreate the crane almost completely.)
Please write me if you experience synonymous with the DIY of cranes you how did you get that with the swiveling joint / tripod / Vivek Rai boom, how long? And as attached (cable stretched)??
would be cool if you crane synonymous pictures or plans of euerm have.
Thank you very much
Antwort von oliver II:
Hello DV-Master!
Good luck with your project! However, the question of Ideallänge a crane is similar (to the ideal of the number of seats in a car, the fact depends very much on the application from :-))
PS: I tried to open your link to, unfortunately, in vain!
Antwort von Axel:
"oliver II wrote: PS: I tried to open your link to, unfortunately, in vain!
Probably having problems with the server.
On the principle (self-made for months under construction): Apart from the obvious factors of weight and size it is to cope with two problems:
1.) The absolute freedom of the arm vibration (depending on longer, more difficult to achieve), with good choice of materials and different methods of stabilization (double or triple profiles, pontoon bridge principle with wire).
2.) The remote control capability of the camera head and control over a s.der base mounted monitor.
If the thing does not weigh two hundred pounds is, point 1 is already very demanding. Point two is very, very demanding.
A Polish engineer, who was synonymous selbstgebaut a full Steadicam rig, once had a fantastic demo video set here. I 's no longer find. I think cost, 1500 ¬ for Pick Up. When I desperately on a fat 5 meters Jib with perfect control would depend - I'm not - I would not have hesitated.
Antwort von universl:
@ axel
Quote: A Polish engineer, who was synonymous selbstgebaut a full Steadicam rig, once had a fantastic demo video set here. I 's no longer find. I think cost, 1500 ¬ for Pick Up. When I desperately on a fat 5 meters Jib with perfect control would depend - I'm not - I would not have hesitated.
http://klub.chip.pl/sk.bkp/
He has the user name sylwester
Antwort von Steadycameraman:
Build me one soon synonymous Camera. For this I use a 5m-long Teppichinnenrohr (diameter: 11.5 cm) Get the then separated into pieces and make einmeterlange connector system. Insofar as the theory. In the control, I'm still unsure, but still happen. When I have an old tripod made of steel. Quite heavy but sturdy and stable.
Wish the best of luck during construction.
Gruß Florian
Antwort von mkrawietz:
OK, First of thanks, but would be more than the left, tips, pictures and videos Kamerakran excited about.
Antwort von Steadycameraman:
So the pictures or videos that I've seen so far: The part of rausragt behind the tripod () when a counterweight is 1 / 4 of total length.
Antwort von Steadycameraman:
For the above entry: in any case, until about 6-7m
stood for some time before the same problem. I have built a 6 ft crane from a flagpole. Counter-weights 50 kg. Headlamps stand out of the building market. The main joint for the flagpole disassembled, I use a heavy roller (capacity 250 kg). Within the rod a steel cable which runs up using lever (can be down) moves on pulleys above and below the camera then moves in a vertical line. This has been delivered to me a relatively good images for the future I would like to optimize the system a bit, because when the wind shakes quite a bit. But if I do not use the full 6 meters but only 4 or 3 feet then runs like butter:)
If you are interested I have a couple of times superscript photos and a test video.
Oh yes, my main purpose is foreign and interior shots of) church (wedding videos) and festivals (see the video.
Gruß, Martin
Antwort von DV-Master:
okay, thank you
I'm on the schwerlastrollrn synonymous already come, but do not be so broad found at about 8-10cm. How wide are your, how do you get such broad?
thanks
Antwort von rubbedikatzzz:
Simply request catalog from www.bs-rollen.de or phone 02191-592170
Here you get everything that has to do with scrolls. It is still synonymous specimens thicker than mine.
Gruß, Martin
Antwort von DV-Master:
how it calls the katarlog on the site?
what program do I need to open your file to? (if I'm ready gedownload)
Antwort von mkrawietz:
DV-Master "wrote: how it calls the katarlog on the site?
Hmm, that's true, of course, very difficult and complicated! You need that is on the page "Contact" Enter your address and then even put a check mark in order "catalog". How does one create the unaided? ;-)
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von mkrawietz:
was sorry, ne stupid question, but what often with your link?
Antwort von DV-Master:
no preference,
someone else has ideas, pictures, videos, links or plans to build a camera crane?
Thank you
Antwort von DV-Master:
hallo leute,
so now I am in the construction phase. would be grateful for tips on the subject, such as the one riff: while the camera pans upward straight, and not just in the sky shows. The professionals use bafür 2nd one rod or a rope synonymous. Who can tell me something about it?
thanks
Antwort von nerös:
the rope is the simple solution ... s.gabelkopf roll ... roll s.tilt. to the control cable runs, but what you can fix. that's it, already. in the construction, cranes look at the major provider of times, as you see it .. really
synonymous, I'm as good as done, which have been synonymous with the flagpole ... well where you get a 6 m aluminum price for the. the wishbone, I've even made. to wind down I use 4mm steel cable ... oh another tip. to save yourself unnecessary to drilling. ikea aluschellen a shelving system with hat. if you still have a little auffräst that fit neatly s.50er pipes. I've used for the relaxation.
something else. the link above for rapid, I can not open, but it'd still like to see, one can not do something. gruß nero
Antwort von DV-Master:
Thank you,
but in the link I know next synonymous net
Antwort von rubbedikatzzz:
I do not understand why you can link the non Öff. I have the files with win rar packed as normal and superscript. Can not go wrong as approximately synonymous what?
Gruß, Martin
Antwort von DV-Master:
hallo erstmal,
With what program can open the rar for input?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
DV-Master "wrote: With what program can open the rar for input?
Rar is like a compressed zip file format, which you can extract, for example with WinRAR.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von rubbedikatzzz:
Here, once the short video which would have been synonymous in the packed file for download. That still would have to really be able to open each:
Picture here noch'n responsibility of the vertical lever for movement of the head. The 3mm wire rope is in the picture is not stretched since I only do if I really need a vertical pivot.
Antwort von rubbedikatzzz:
The whole thing in action
Antwort von rubbedikatzzz:
And one more thing
Antwort von Axel:
Salut Martin. Slow start panning. Range and stability seem to be good. But what with the clean control of the camera off. http://klub.chip.pl/sk.bkp/steadycam_pliki/kran/kran_ruch.avi and http://klub.chip.pl/sk.bkp/steadycam_pliki/kran/demo_kran1.avi How will this go without control monitor?
Antwort von nerös:
hi, looks good, why have you made any lateral trapezabspannung, then the synonymous will remain stiff at 6m! just the top guy rope still next to the front, bring more calm and stable ...
Antwort von nerös:
hello axel ... Divine ... I have your film seen many times before. there is the possibility of getting a signature on your remotes??
Antwort von Axel:
"Nero" wrote: hello axel ... Divine ... I have your film seen many times before.
These are not my movies, but of the next linked above HP: http://klub.chip.pl/sk.bkp/ The movies should show that it is my opinion only a good camera control synonymous everything is taken out of the crane. Martin Crane's class, but if he tiltet as quickly as Sylwesters it will probably not look so round.
Antwort von rubbedikatzzz:
So when the velocities as seen in my clip I've not had any problems. The only tricky thing I do when wind storms or rapid panning.
I would have liked to rope s.den pages included with the construction but I wanted that one can quickly build the crane without any problems. Therefore, it seemed to me that solution s.geeignetsten. For the future, however, I plan to be improved.
To control monitor, I'm glad synonymous If, on Ebay but still have not really find it, I would then also have a 7 "screen TVs prefer instead of those little Casio. But the moment I am still too expensive, a student should be careful be invested into which one:) In the long run, however, no question, a check needs to monitor her.
Gruß, Martin
Antwort von rubbedikatzzz:
Maybe that helps next synonymous following Ebay items:
"Steadicam Camera Dolly, etc. in Eigenbau 224 patents"
Gruß, Martin
Antwort von DV-Master:
Thank aid for the many.
something about who else has had specially built crane system, kanns reinschreiben here, yes.
thanks
Antwort von rubbedikatzzz:
So much more interesting I think if anyone experiences with the construction of an electronic remote heads have?
Has there ever times rangewagt someone. I would like, but I'm afraid that afterwards I only produce a bunch of sheet metal and cable scrap is not able to perform gentle movements, as we have seen for example in the above link of Polish constructors.
Has to contribute because someone may have experience
Gruß, Martin
Antwort von rtzbild:
Aloha,
There was still time here AFAIK, the 16-year-old user from Mainz, who has built _loooow_ sowas budget?
Is still there?
Perhaps can contribute to what?
HTH
Gruß Olli
Antwort von Axel:
"rubbedikatzzz" wrote: So much more interesting I think if anyone experiences with the construction of an electronic remote heads have?
One can see are often some model cars / planes / ships that use of its builders / buyers / Bruchpiloten several joystick remote control. Since the camera will have to be moved only in two directions (tilt angle surely None), then one would use two engines. As with the forward / backward, whether by transmission, phase, spin, control board: No idea, but in model-dealer knows you might have. As would be or I will even ask the appropriate time. Until then googled.
Antwort von Oldie:
) So, on paper (or in my computer is remote head already finished, the parts are synonymous already there and already partially assembled. What I lack is the time, that's the problem when you are in work! After all, the crane is already working.
Antwort von XXXLVeryBigLarge:
hello oldie,
maybe you'd hiereinstellen your plans??
achso how much did you pay for your materials eugentlich?
as you have a problem with the control below s.kran solved?
Antwort von DV-Master:
who can help me?
at the moment I have complete problems with the up / down bewgung of the Head. how shall I get it that the kammera while waving to the top is always horizontally? (they say during the habens the auto position) change
genoa like this:
Antwort von rubbedikatzzz:
So s.Bauplänen or scripts for a remote head, I would also greatly interested.
Gruß, Martin
Antwort von Axel:
DV-Master "wrote: how shall I get it that the kammera while waving to the top is always horizontally? (they say during the habens the auto position) change
The camera moves over ropes and pulleys of the bottom. It has either a manual control or a tendency of the arm coupled s.The Neigeverhalten that works like any other and is mounted gearboxes synonymous s.bestem ultimately s.ansonsten finished crane. To understand the translation would be a fishing kit with Crane as a model well (kids? Oh ne, which play virtual, as we did).
Antwort von Oldie:
Drawing and Schematic is here: http://wschmid.dyndns.org/Downloads/FFT-Doku.zip On Page 7, the drawing on Page 8 to SCM. As already written, he is not ready assembled only once temporarily for testing, which was very successful. If only the verd .. Time would not, actually I have no time for my job, but my account forces me to! The cost - well, s.The 100. The most expensive were the two engines with per 13,95 ¬.
Antwort von Axel:
Oldie @ = Werner Thank you very much. I looked again wander aimlessly through retail stores in search of joints, flanges, axles, what else can divert and all this overpriced rubbish. Nevertheless, it is how your PDF can imagine one, a guaranteed time killer. At the moment I think even the thought s.Arbeit too sweaty. A non-electrician question the engine switches: How do you refer to?
Antwort von Oldie:
I saw them as the engines of Conrad. They are the Shift key, so that the engine runs only as long as one draufdrückt. There are really only two versions, for example, the purchase order 700391 = 4.53 ¬.
Antwort von Axel:
Thanks again. If the article is an ordinary classical rocker, so anything with a spring that brings the switch back to "0" Position, when you let go. I asked before, rather because of the "+ back" - control in your example of windows: window and window with a switch and a motor (???)?
Antwort von Oldie:
In my case it happens:
Antwort von TheDrummer:
Hi, folks!
I'm just synonymous s.Konstruieren a camera crane (which reminds me of the remote head is preparing less of a headache, I'll build from RC components (FM Transmitter / Receivers / Servos ,...).
What worries me is the stability of the arm. For weight reasons, I wanted to realize the part with aluminum profiles. (50x30x2, 5) but as I was then in the building materials, and the profile tested in bending, the result shocked me very: Alone by the weight of the bent part (upright) on 2m length of 10mm (!) - And I wanted a 5m crane with aluminum build what will happen only when a crosswind swaying wildly, the part ... : /
naja - with a little food for thought / solutions?
THX!
Antwort von rubbedikatzzz:
Precisely for the reason my crane (or the flag pole of the crane is yes) synonymous of steel. Although this is difficult but it can therefore be 4 feet still move quite stable. But there is still synonymous with security not right to bend the aluminum profiles. But which are then probably a lot more expensive. In another thread someone was talking like that you could get those in window.
Gruß, Martin
Antwort von rubbedikatzzz:
With online research, I came across the following model. The full movement of the head was probably solved by mechanical means, but how. In the video you can see well that only one rod must be moved to rotate the head in all directions. If so what would be realized in Eigenbau synonymous?
Gruß, Martin
Antwort von rubbedikatzzz:
Yes, you should specify the link if you already synonymous of waffle, so here it is:
"rubbedikatzzz" wrote: If so what would be realized in Eigenbau synonymous?
Salut Martin. Those who assembled at a bike, a new circuit and adjust the gears can (doable, but annoying as you might imagine), is synonymous make it. It is obvious that the key concepts of transmission and translation. The company will send it to us you no plans, therefore, the construction of a model to be announced (see my proposal from the fishing kit). The rest is sawing, drilling, grinding, screw for cooler days. Werner ( "oldies") used in its construction manual is no way synonymous steel, but any Profiles (The ABC crane bridges with aluminum tubes used for stabilization.). White no longer, of whom the proposal originated with the window profiles, but there are probably driving the train. Oh yes, we forget so easily: thanks for the link!
Antwort von Oldie:
Right! I have used so-called mechanical profiles, of aluminum - lightweight and yet stable. Go for a slightly heavier and longer arm Cam wirds but probably not without exhaustion.
Antwort von TheDrummer:
you mean the standard in the industry "BOSCH-profile"?
I need a loading capacity of 2kg to 5m length - do you think are suited?
PS: THX synonymous for the link - good food for thought (no RC -> Power supply not needed);)
Antwort von TheDrummer:
The mechanics I would be understood as follows:
Photo1: Turquoise = Bowden orange = Deflection
Photo2: yellow = PAN lever Turquoise = Bowden red = TILT lever
The core of the Mechanical remote is the gray cylinder. At the head movements are assumed to be determined by the (same) gray cylinder.
Antwort von Oldie:
I have a lower profile as used in the picture, because, besides the costs have cost me nothing. Meanwhile, I have synonymous, but a favorable source for better parts, although stable, but are of course synonymous harder. The profiles, it is synonymous with a rectangular shape, maybe what someone with serious camera. Or you can use the system with two arms, as in Cameracranes.
Antwort von Axel:
Another instructive detail seems to me the moderate size of what it's like to be "only" about 3.50 meters. 5 or 6 meter jib is the precursor of the rented helicopter to film at Gustav's cousin marriage from the perspective of less cruel.
Antwort von TheDrummer:
@ Oldie: just Such profiles have I meant ... .. the inside but have a smaller "cross" than 50x30, right? ... make the outer rip it anyway sooo stable?
times you can test how much so a profile with 2m or 4m bends? (only by weight) - Thanks!
Antwort von Oldie:
How can I completely do not comply with your request for lack of material, but anyway: The two parts of my crane together are 3.3 m, 20cm for clamping on a firm basis are 3.1 m free-floating and thus lowers the arm tip s.der something 5cm; no less than without the bracing, which has my crane normally. The new profile is probably more stable, I have but only a piece with the 1.2 m and 1.1 m with floating sinks at all. Both profiles are the way 30x30mm, cross-section of the new profile, see below. The things there are of course synonymous greater. My crane is now synonymous not as great as some here want, but I think he goes. From the swivel on the tripod to the remote mounting of the head, it is 2.4 m, ie the camera is at a maximum height of about 3.5 meters - enough for us that!
Antwort von TheDrummer:
But 5cm? : (
where do we obtain such profiles (cheap) and count how many with ¬ / m must be a man?
THX!
Antwort von Oldie:
Well, the profile for my crane is a little easier. I assume that the other profile it bends very, I can only try hard. I have two pieces with each 1.2 m here, with the other pieces per 2.4 m are installed in a closet shelf and I would not do it to me to develop. I can still let's see if I can screw the two parts together and then tested with the overall pole then. This profile will cost retailers in the list price for 50,40 ¬ per 6m-rod. It proved to be very convenient that the company is here in the corner of Munich and randomly synonymous nor the father of a colleague working there ;-). Do you need a link?
Antwort von Oldie:
Thus, Addendum: I now have the two 1.2 m pieces screwed together and clamped, ie 2.3 m free-floating. Not decrease s.der peak detectable. Satisfied? That would be the top soecified View 30x30mm with in the heavy version.
Antwort von TheDrummer:
That sounds to good;)
Well, so if you have connections there - please tell bescheid (perhaps even at the price you can still do something!?) ;-) Can you tell me next to the link, please write the dimensions of the "tube" in the middle?
Thank you!
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Perhaps there are still a few prospects, and could be the profiles in 2m long zersegen pieces and sell each 4m.
(Also 2x6m pieces are sold 3x4m -> Money saved!)
You Anseiden you want to build a 6m-long crane ...
Regards Constantin
Antwort von Blackeagle123:
Where you ever get so forth a servo motor, which has about 60U/min and has appropriate strength? Or you take a fast motor and slowly through the translation makes the engine? Would be at 3000rpm rather large translation. Can you calculate?
Regards Constantin
Antwort von Oldie:
So the link to the profile: http://www.maytec.de/detail/30304f.htm Since the measurements are synonymous. There are of course synonymous profiles, not s.allen the 4 sides have this slot, but they are even more expensive. Even for a 6m-Crane I would divide the bar, if only for transport reasons. My measurements have just happened, because the length of the rods were 1.65 m. @ Blackeagle123: Conrad, Order 244171st To minimize the effort needed to be the remote head be so designed that the axis of rotation is about the focus of the camera, otherwise the weight of the camera is working against the engine.
Antwort von rubbedikatzzz:
Of you actually already know someone like him will address the design of the motors and their control etc. I stood there quite still in the dark. Wolfgang Winne has indeed HC1 in his blog on Page 3, I think time introduced a remote system running with such engines. Do you want to tackle something like that?
Gruß, Martin
Antwort von TheDrummer:
So for me a drive with motors is currently the ultimate consequence, if a mechanical control is not possible.
@ Oldie: Incidentally Thanks for the link;) - now I can start with the construction times already;)
@ rubkatz ... ;): If I have a (non-doing manual) Remote, then by RC. In this sector are synonymous appropriate servos (small, light), by corresponding with traction. OF COURSE you must attach the camera in focus, otherwise the transmission of small servos are unnecessarily burdensome, and thus drastically reduces the lifetime. Servos with metal gears are the way to be preferred;)
Antwort von rubbedikatzzz:
What, None has built further on the last days? I'd be curious!
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