Frage von aight8:
I have the last months and gesparrt in Novemeber is to come. I have a budget of 5500 SWISS FRANC.
I have a lot in the months with the busy filming. I currently use a 10 year old digikamera;)
following austattus I chose:
Camera: SonyAX 2000 with 32GB SDCard and 7200 mA Battery for 4400th -
Light: Ledzilla Daylight Camera Mini LED Light for 500, -
Microphone: NTG-2 with wind Kuschelfell for 300, -
Tripod: Manfrotto 701HDV, 055XV View Aluminum Tripod Mini Pro system for 300, -
(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/611515-REG/Manfrotto_701HDV_055XV_701HDV_055XV_Mini_Pro_View.html)
Extra: Hoya HMC Skylight Filter 1B 72mm for 60th -
Later times a Glidecam HD 2000 for 500, -
How to assemble your finds this? Hatt someone has a similar combination? or is there incompatibility problems, not because of the connections, but the way of working.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
What are the Prices for the? Swiss Prices?
Antwort von aight8:
Yes. here is cheaper and electronics at the discounter anyway.
Antwort von Axel:
... but the way of working. Yes, its operation. The camera uses AVCHD, a codec that was until recently almost treated only as "Intermediate. Today, some> AVCHD editing software, but then - still - very high demands s.den> Computer provided.
My personal opinion is that the camera is overpriced. You asked yourself why your camcorder really have such small chips, with their handicaps. Well, it is possible that the with the small chips to an end soon after in the pure holiday-consumer segment of the Digiknipsen already with the "background blur" is advertised on TV. The schweineteure camera could soon be obsolete. With very slight wickedness I fall now in confusion: Would not a used unit, possibly synonymous HDV (Canon HV20ff. XH A1 and have higher Resolutionals the cam of your choice, see slashCAM camcorder-Comparison) is a smarter alternative? You are recognizable despite the last few months of intensive work, s.deinen questions still Beginners, a beginner. You will pay one way or the "hard way". This should consist of the many experiences, if you
do not have each managed to set itself to reach your goal, but where will you each time a little better. It should not be to have bought an expensive camcorder, the only price, but not of the service since has Prosumerniveau. It is not just a saying, but as diamond fact that it does not arrive on the camera.
Antwort von aight8:
Jo. But it is not just for the DOF s.sondern the whole operation and settings of the camera for which I seek. And an XLR connector for good sound I would be very suitable for my needs.
And the cheapest Cam in the semi-pro is just this area or the SonyNEX-VG10 which comes out soon and is synonymous is cheaper.
I know that I am a Beginner, and have no experience, why would I come out from the holiday mini camcorder segment and instead invest my money in innötiges stuff in a real hobby.
(Ie, the XH A1 is even more expensive?)
edit: yes achso needed. that would naturally ALSO ne alternative. is just not full hd and 4 years older.
And it not only depends on the camera, which is probably clear. But there is no difference whether one takes real nerve with a small camera or Handycam through the city?
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Yes. here is cheaper and electronics at the discounter anyway. LOL that is cheaper but please check the times Prices in country D and then explain to me again why the value obtained with you although less control of the stuff is more expensive than in our country in D?
Times three examples
http://www.feel-mobile.de/Extern_SONY-High-Definition-Camcorders-HDR-AX2000_393858_idealo.html
http://www.marcotec-shop.de/de/products/cat_249/detail_1697.htm
http://www.thomann.de/de/rode_ntg2_bundle.htm
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von aight8:
4314 francs.
We can cost 4100th I dazugezählt the SD and Battery
Antwort von Axel:
@ B. DeKid
Is that an invitation to smuggling or Schwyzzer-Bashing?
@ Aight8: The XH A1 comes
with accessories clear out at ¬ 2,000 needed for, again and again (DSLR newcomers, not disappointment with the unit), see eg
here . How much Räppli Fränkli and there to add for the course is or how ever is, but could not care less. Double-XLR, fully manualisierbar, good WW-range, 1.5 megapixel, easy to apply codec.
... is just not full hd and 4 years older. Well, the less Sonyist Full HD, it only has a 1 megapixel chip. Apart from this: to take Resolutionals criterion is more typical for ill-informed buyers in the media market.
Antwort von Tuffy:
And it not only depends on the camera, which is probably clear. But there is no difference whether one takes real nerve with a small camera or Handycam through the city? I have seen photos of an iPhone, which looked after the most expensive Nikon.
There is a difference as long until you can both agree the devices and the environment - if the XH A1 shit starts, it looks no different than ne Handycam. Or simply if the framing is wrong, structure, etc.
110% of your image are light - if that's true, You turn the HV20 with a film of the year (Note: a little exaggeration is included)
Antwort von aight8:
@ Axel: yes you are right, of course, would be something like a lot less expensive class in the same category as a semi-profi cam. thank you, this could be a real alternative.
I'll wait anyway still 2-3 months. until then I want to learn a lot about the theory, and with my "JVC GR-DVL20" position.
Antwort von pilskopf:
What do you really turn? Any DSLR is just what a synonymous for you. just has many advantages, the sound could be synonymous with record an external device like the Zoom H4. A DSLR would be synonymous rather what a Steadicam because of their light weight.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
@ B. DeKid
Is that an invitation to smuggling or Schwyzzer-Bashing?
..... Nee ne Healthy demand only the synonymous why products must be introduced here in Switzerland are suddenly more expensive than in Switzerland even though the less tax paid on imported goods.
I just do not really understand where's the sense in it!
Then he can buy the things still the same even privately and abroad and is cheaper to import it.
I find it remarkable that the boys are charged in the mountains at once so much harder. I would blow my savings is not so.
MfG
B. DeKid
PS: And if you smuggled from Switzerland to D land and not vice versa ;-)
Antwort von aight8:
I would like to short films, documentaries and interviews with friends turn. many small ideas that we want to achieve on the open road. partly synonymous entertainment.
and my family under the Christmas tree. it is always schöhn, sharp memories have to;)
Antwort von pilskopf:
Then I'd grab the DSLR. Then you'll catch a decent 3 Lenses and Micro, it will ne Glidecam and a 60cm Glidetrack and be happy. An additional light will probably not even need a 1.4 in Lens. There comes a halt just ran camcorder is not easy. At the same time have a super camera. Wait times but the Photokina guck s.and then you come out of the new DSLRs s.die. Pana, Canon and Nikkon or Sonytoppen here's just another, because you get what already fine for his Money.
Antwort von aight8:
@ Pilskopf: So the discussion because of the DSLR we had already ^ ^ I do not get me off schlussentlich because there is still no video camera and schlussentlich the back payment for the video equipment sowieo be expensive. I leave the DSLR for video rather for more experienced people who like to experiment with the ..
Antwort von pilskopf:
I think with a DSLR you manage yourself as a bloody Beginners better results than with a video camcorder. Especially in terms of movies. It has been in the network has never seen so many respectable films / clips since there are DSLRs, as it was earlier but only dream of. Today roars no more recording, great colors, without editing, fantastic Lowlight, great bokeh. And only the sharpness alone is not often taken is to negative. My opinion at least.
That one, of course, can still turn beautiful films with a video camera is beyond question. But I have a really struggling to get out of my noise-Cam Picture of the colors and get us not even speak. And then I watch it on the net including clips s.wo is "no color grading - out of cam" and you wonder why God has punished you with your action.
Antwort von aight8:
@ Tuffy: an iphone counts for me at all as photo / video camera. no preference synonymous as you turn. just because a good image has been made, it failed in 1000 for other situations. a cell phone is never really able to film. it had but one sensor get reinbequetsch. and some software functions for the Malays processing but otherwise ..
@ Pilskopf: I know ... the DSLR will be better .. really impressed with the quality. And since you can rotate video can be very schöhne scenes turn:) but ne had to keep the camera functions for the ne DSLR video did not .. a video camera is turning for the video designed to make the DSLR for the photo
Antwort von Axel:
I think with a DSLR you manage yourself as a bloody Beginners better results than with a video camcorder. And one of the post-edited films themselves with a "killer" and at least until recently with a rummage table-cut and NLE. And, as far as I knew, even no DSLR, but was still known by doing good. The living proof that it does not arrive on the camera.
Otherwise, I agree with what he has written.
Antwort von aight8:
@ Axel: So it's not the camera arrives swear I have been slowly! ;) I never said what else. However, with a turn to hold professional or semi-professional hardware when you notice a look at it this is good building material, is much more fun. and the wheel itself is so synonymous much more fun when you can try many turning techniques. Not?
I write only of the quality and opportunities for the recording. NOT the content.
Antwort von Axel:
Do not fool yourself. DSLR can already see better at first glance. Also of non-Könnern served. But:
If Pleti soon and get Kreti their brats, dogs and geraniums, with their NEX-Digiknipse with mini-film DoF and Waldis synonymous basket under the kitchen table, enough light will come a time as this fuss will be out. The classic elegant Instructions for shooting said: Good clips, set, effective lighting,
absolute depth of field (Manual of filmmaking from the 70s). All is well. The one million DSLR-clips on the net are currently on the brink of being already not seen as something special. Since that was their only purpose: Ade! Has got us.
But this elegant lighting (etc.) you will with a head light, how do you plan on it obviously will not be achieved. This is a
practical light, no fine. Rather, you can do with two or three Styrofoam plates or a nice light space blanket. Light has a hundred times more to do with consciousness as with technology. But the leads a bit too far ...
Antwort von Replay:
Basically: not the camera makes the film, but the man behind it. If the images and the camera work are good, will only disturb Pixelpeeper s.etwas noise. Today's camcorders all have decent low-light capabilities. A well-made film itself is interesting in a good SD.
And s.Drehort in terms of handling when turning and the simplicity (not only set up a yard long, during which time the lighting situation has changed again) talks are still very clear for a video camera and a film against the camera.
But everyone has to feed his bird (the tastes are just different) and my bird would rather be down on a camcorder. In the film the camera makes the bird down as synonymous. This is but rather from the back of his body;)
Again, a little food for thought. I always turn with the greatest possible depth of field. The uncertainty arises in the Picture of yourself It's all blurred, which is not looked at directly. So I leave it to the audience wherever he wants to look at the pictures. This corresponds to the natural look. And by good design of the spectator picture of looks alone out there, what I have on set considered important. But he can gaze out precisely synonymous.
Regards
Replay
Antwort von aight8:
@ Axel: Okei light plays a powerful role demfal, I've already thought of me. but for my needs if I do not just turn a Short Film practical light is aussreichen as brighteners. or I take the first few lights and styrofoam plates ne.
Do you mean with "absolute depth of focus": a good film does not use a DOF?
Antwort von prime:
Jo. But it is not just for the DOF s.sondern the whole operation and settings of the camera for which I seek. And an XLR connector for good sound I would be very suitable for my needs.
And the cheapest Cam in the semi-pro is just this area or the SonyNEX-VG10 which comes out soon and is synonymous is cheaper. Neither the AX2000 nor the VG10 have XLR connectors.
Antwort von aight8:
the VG10 but not the AX2000 had quite probably some. 2 even.
@ Axel: why dies the video with DSLR turn out for your opinion? Hatt ja ne good quality. want you to not say that the DSLR synonymous despite excellent picture quality simply the claims of the video is not turning enough?
Antwort von deti:
want you to not say that the DSLR synonymous despite excellent picture quality simply the claims of the video is not turning enough? What is so excellent, if one of Full-HD less than half s.tatsächlicher Resolutionbekommt? Moreover, there is no usable autofocus and manual handling of the Lenses during filming is almost impossible. There are also a lack of audio recording, the complete absence of built-in ND filters and useful image stabilizer.
Deti
Antwort von pilskopf:
So when one looks at times more accurate movies, you discover really rare movies as strong as in the entire DOF Inet. But we turn here or movies but in turn stands, their corners are dirty and not by the wizard are prepared. As is ever a Coke bottle in the background. : D They are huge differences in the Movies synonymous background is beautiful, we are staring the neighbors and not in the movie because one shuts off the street. DOF can have many benefits and I remember the very at home when I turn what you see in the background things that you expect anything and it was not painted wall. This all falls away with DOF.
And of course it depends on the cameraman s.end s.oder s.end the cut, but if you can and you have a cool Cam, jamei can go there but nothing more wrong, at least, otherwise you have beautiful pictures that can not devil come out on to edit so that they act nice. So I still do not like my DSLR and Cam basically synonymous with many things but I can simply not compete. Since missing my shots and I miss the glory with other DSLR shots see. And if you make a wide Anglebenutzt s.Tag and closed with Aperture, you can of course achieve depth of field with a DSLR. Since you also usually staged but anyway you can rotate and adjust all synonymous with a DSLR manual, but is not necessary to partly real action.
And of course you can turn with a normal cam, beautiful films, no question, it's just a multiple serious I said to achieve this. film is not without reason that so many mitlerweile with DSLRs. Do I have to admit, an unstoppable trend.
Antwort von prime:
the VG10 but not the AX2000 had quite probably some. 2 even. In fact - I'm consistently Sonyverbaut no XLR on the Consumer Handycam line.
Antwort von Axel:
Do you mean with "absolute depth of focus": a good film does not use a DOF? That meant the aforementioned textbook, not me. About so: A well composed picture does not need a shallow DoF to emphasize his subject:
Antwort von FrankFaster:
I would be interested to know who of you has worked with the AX2000 before? I own the camera since the beginning of the year and must say I am very happy with her. The handling is just top! Fast, easy and reliable. As for the pictures I can not complain as well. Knallscharfe images and crisp colors. This is for the user Peaking and Zebra was very useful, especially for beginners video gibts. Especially with the current documentation or reporting it must be like to go fast times synonymous and this is guaranteed easy. These are the Camera now scarce 3400 ¬.
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Antwort von Tuffy:
@ Tuffy: an iphone counts for me at all as photo / video camera. no preference synonymous as you turn. just because a good image has been made, it failed in 1000 for other situations. a cell phone is never really able to film. it had but one sensor get reinbequetsch. and some software functions for the Malays but usual processing. You have not understood me, what?
Thou shalt not buy a iPhone, I'm an avowed enemy.
I just wanted to say: You can make synonymous with the unit mangiest dirt super pictures, if you know how. The camera is not sooo important, it is important that the light is (and I mean not the brightness!), Because the camera records only to "- a 12k camera can record synonymous Crappy pictures, in the hands of a beginner - in . your Understand?
Antwort von FrankFaster:
practical [/ i] light, no nice. Rather, you can do with two or three Styrofoam plates or a nice light space blanket. Light has a hundred times more to do with consciousness as with technology. But the leads a bit too far ... As you surely right Axel. But who keeps you as the Styros while you turn? Time, quite apart from that we should maybe not lose sight of the aight8 himself says he is the beginners video yet. Since no one can compare with indirect light sources illuminating complex Beginning with a head light. If the lamp Aight8 synonymous s.Tag used to brighten up interview of partners he has probably already achieved a lot in order to enhance its image quality (eye shadow, nose shadow Kinnschatten, ....).
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Antwort von Replay:
That meant the aforementioned textbook, not me. About so: A well composed picture does not need a shallow DoF to emphasize his subject:
Antwort von Axel:
If the lamp Aight8 synonymous s.Tag used to brighten up interview of partners he has probably already achieved a lot in order to enhance its image quality (eye shadow, nose shadow Kinnschatten, ....).
Definitely. He wrote but in the neighboring Thread:
It is just more of a lamp-round, but can illuminate well synonymous.
As it tickled me already in the fingers to type a condescending response. Meanwhile, however, shows that more education has aight8 than it first seemed, in the sense of "The educated person knows where to find what he does not know". His questions are better, more specific.
What applies to the Red 2k, with which one can make stupid shots, of course synonymous for light. If you have not developed a sense of light, do you do with a forest of Fresnel synonymous only "hell". Conversely, if you know what you do, do you do with one for Construction, a sheet of baking paper and a piece of foam a Rembrandt.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
@ AXEL
Nen to post Picture of Gregory Crewdson is so mean!
This is in addition LaChapelle surely one of the truly crass image composition fetishists - the guys even work weeks s.Set, mask, light to scan a statement in the end then within hours of weniigen - on mostly medium format - ;-)
For me the really important role models unteranderem bzgl Contemporary Photography! -)
MfG
B. DeKid
@ Replay check out his other stuff s.der Jung is a guru.
Antwort von pilskopf:
Sure you can see here a perfect picture but what stands out to see it? They are styled motifs, do not forget that you do not get to see just like that, perhaps in rented hotel suites for 2000 ¬ the night. Then there are still around 8 lamps and 15 employees.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
Sure you can see here a perfect picture but what stands out to see it? They are styled motifs, do not forget that you get ......
The building as "Director" means all sets in barns or warehouses and then really work to the point. So what makes you not just once in the hotel room - people who make just once in the hotel room photos are people like TERRY RICHARDSON ;-))
And even take pictures of the Pirelli calendar - even though he is more like a Polaroid Look Fetish Fritze - but wait synonymous NEN very large the scene!
MfG
B. DeKid
Antwort von pilskopf:
That is correct. Of course would be something completely in the studio, I peeped my, you look at the ceiling height, which says it all, it is no ceiling.
Antwort von Replay:
It is clear that every last Fitzelchen styled. But without such a synonymous set of these images make clear that one with a depth that ranges of Munich to Paris to turn, if the composition is right. The perfect balance is perfect Nebenzeug what precisely makes the difference between professionals of the specialist with their possibilities and the amateur.
Even if there is to see an uncoated wall, then that is halt so. Such things can be installed into the motif. And if it only comes to the spots and the crumbling plaster properly combine the image with the main subject, we have thus a nice background (why did I because our shed in the back? ^ ^).
It's amazing with how few opportunities you can take great pictures. There are countless show no-budget or low-budget movies, the amazing images. Here, imagination and improvisation is needed. An ideal opportunity to learn the craft of getting an eye for Picture and to learn with the camera (camera work) deal. Really of the ground up.
Interestingly, the best films, which at times complete without special effects, the effect is created not by showmanship but by the images and the act.
Regards
Replay
Antwort von Axel:
Sure you can see here a perfect picture but what stands out to see it? They are styled motifs, do not forget that you do not get to see just like that, perhaps in rented hotel suites for 2000 ¬ the night. Then there are still around 8 lamps and 15 employees.
If the set looks like shit, makes man's blurred? It is true that the example is very challenging, but finding and equipping a set in the sense of what one sees in the wildest dreams, is synonymous from the result far more exquisite than a shallow DoF with correct correct correct existing light and Magic Bullet . That is MORE.
A motif that out for yourself - does for your eyes, without Camera - is more than a couple of video features, with which is a meaningless subject covered. For scenic work, it would be better to take care of apart of the art to more of these aspects.
And then? Schleich Michel has imprinted the categorical statement:
It would be advantageous if the images of a priori need not be substantially corrected because the light was bright already set.
Those who do it to his mantra, which is synonymous enlightenment in terms of lighting ...
Antwort von pilskopf:
Of course you can make the background blurred and then avoids the paint of the wall. : D The background is often synonymous not just important. Although one can not say flat but he need not necessarily important. I can not quite synonymous but the audience come to the essential, that depends on it s.was for a film that is. If I make product videos, no one interested in the background. When I am filming my cats synonymous not know if I want to film the Christmas tree itches anyone except the wallpaper, it can istz particularly irritating, I try to include everything synonymous sharp. One must not take this opportunity themselves to take effect on the end of the film. DOF can have various advantages and disadvantages synonymous, but one should use it deliberately I think. But it can not use at all is still synonymous shit. I always notice how a deliberate blur in my shots miss, but not always. Sometimes it is great in nice motif. But the election, I'm just not with a DSLR and a camcorder in which I first time a light absorbing inconvenient 35mm adapter must be installed.
Antwort von Replay:
That is correct. Of course would be something completely in the studio, I peeped my, you look at the ceiling height, which says it all, it is no ceiling.
However, there is a ceiling. And there are such massive buildings with ceiling heights. If that was rotated in the studio, it shows that professionals think it just synonymous =)
Regards
Replay
Antwort von pilskopf:
This is intended only piece you see as the pros and s.den have thought. : D
Antwort von Replay:
Nope, not a play, which are JPEG artifacts;)
Regards
Replay
Antwort von Axel:
DOF can have various advantages and disadvantages synonymous, but one should use it deliberately I think. But it can not use at all is still synonymous shit. I always notice how a deliberate blur in my shots miss, but not always.
You were synonymous among the first of the fake DoF brought into play, which I like to use synonymous.
Here is a picture of an "abandoned" Project, for which I was videographer (camera, editing, postproduction).
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The attachment of a Stillimage footage - by the way from the A1. Much better resolved than possible with a DSLR, the best auflösungsmäßig HDV, synonymous and particularly because of their fake (so I've got it now) full screen mode.
The Fake DoF - you know, of course - is to (synonymous animatable) parts of the image before the blur filter to be protected by masks in After Effects with exercise as well to accomplish a little bit. To whom I say it (Little Big Berlin). Since, as already mentioned deti, was not well at all in fact dissolve DSLRs, does the rest s.Schärfe in a puddle of fake DoF much better, much crisper. And a nice bokeh to make DSLRs synonymous rare. Where DoF is not necessary to be man's, like this:
Antwort von Replay:
Do not be angry please, but the fake DoF reminds me s.alte, colored black and white film or black and white photos ... : - / And I think now ned soooo crisp, because it just looks that was made retrospectively (arm, shoulder, hair). This has an almost soap opera-Effect.
One example I would like rausgreifen there. The legs in the background. In the Picture with the great depth of field, we know that these are the legs. In the DoF-Picture you do not know it. And when the blur is still synonymous that moves (possibly just the legs), perfect chaos, at least in my eyes and I start to blink, to somehow make the eyes sharp.
The dark legs in a relatively light background, at least steer me briefly from the main subject (face) down, unmoved even in the Stillimage.
Regards
Replay
Antwort von Axel:
I am not defending my poor composition. Camera I'm no longer synonymous for that reason. For me is clear, however, that in the DoF-less version of the face of distraction. In it I give you but Law: A body contours may mask is pursued striking (but you do not want) than a simple sticker. For DSLR or 35mm adapter you want to focus attention on the aesthetically beautiful course to draw the (rare in the service of a narrative function).
Antwort von pilskopf:
Axel, the picture with the girl must say I sometimes breathtakingly beautiful, magnificent. Interfere with Fake Dof as not, if true synonymous Dof basically always works better but if you can not produce real time now, I feel the fake Dof still better than none at all. As this is quite expensive to produce but I would like to produce even better through an open Aperture and then grab the uncertainty must be better or worse on a DSLR back. 'It's just a timing issue.
Incidentally, I have no AE, my Little Big is produced entirely in Vegas, with AE would be the effect has become significantly better, Vegas can not afford as AE.
My goodness this is a beautiful image with the girl, I can not even look away. : D
