Frage von Christex:
Hi,
I just had my Canon HF 100 received. Appointed atlantiv.com was what I would advise you DRINGEND. Now the camera was not, as promised, in the PAL version of the market supplied europäsichen but in the NTSC version for the U.S. market.
What would you advise me?
My NTSC Television can not play! What are the possibilities of conversion / data are there?
Greeting
Christex
Antwort von RickyMartini:
Make a withdrawal and to send the thing back!
Antwort von Marco:
"My NTSC Television can not play!" Are you sure there? I have in the past ten years, no PAL TV terms, is not synonymous NTSC-compatible was.
Atlantiv but is also a company with headquarters in England, which apparently only sold in European countries. If it were really a NTSC Camera runtergerutscht should exchange it simply. That was probably really just an oversight.
What you actually recognize that there is a NTSC camera is?
Marco
Antwort von Christex:
To be honest I have not tried it yet but I have in the menu to her and wanted nothing but to be found. Battery loads at the moment. Perhaps it is synonymous of false alarm. Am currently only a little nervous and really annoyed me about myself. (not at the dealer around the corner even bought more expensive, etc.) The Television is of TELEFUNKEN and minimum 8 years old. Well, will write in any case, whether the picture then goes or not. Oh man .......
Sending back to the CAM, I do not, because in other forums already so much bad about atlantiv.com to report there, then I fear that my money not to get back and the Cam and then the money away. Wanted the baby to the movies CAM use and have therefore synonymous not want to long litigation, etc. Our baby arrives in early February, according to date, of so I wanted to advance into the camera after train so diligently filmed the birth can be.
Antwort von Christex:
It is an NTSC camera, since it is on the instruction leaflet is synonymous Hab mir German version of the download, there is instruction on the use of PAL. Atlantiv.com has a seat in England, they send the goods but "strangely" ever in the U.S. and then to calculate VAT, etc. In the case of purchase within the EU should not be then, huh? On the subject atlantiv.vom schaut euch mal following thread: http://www.dslr-forum.de/showthread.php?t=371323&page=5. atlantiv.com Can not really recommend it! Have been synonymous with the inches at the airport Cologne / Bonn phoned. Since the product is of Atlantiv often held as the value of goods usually much too low. Was so synonymous with me. UPS called s.and said that my package of inches would have been stopped, because the value of goods was only 199 USD and I have over 580 EURO paid for the Canon HF 100.Darauf from UPS, I have the original bill of atlantiv.com e-mail and the merchandise was freigegegeben. So far only trouble!
Antwort von domain:
Why order for you ultimately ¬ 580th - ever there?
Taste at Amazon synonymous but only 590th ¬ --
I know who has the damage, the need for ridicule not sure, but perhaps your experience is an important indication times for potential foreign buyers.
So I would not touch product and impart an justified revocation s.den seller write, which is easy if the offer or in the order confirmation expressly of a PAL device, the speech was.
Not necessarily immediately sharp with the lawyer threatened, usually such things are easier to regulate in ways grace.
Antwort von Marco:
"It is an NTSC camera, since it relies on the instruction manual says" Well, that has now just have nothing to say. What
exact Typenbezeichung is because on the packaging?
Marco
Antwort von Christex:
580 ¬, I was ultimately debited even though in the order confirmation to a lesser value was. That is why I strongly advise the purchase of at atlantiv.com from. When I took the camera bestellet had, I would have in comparison to amazon.de over ¬ 40 saves and I thought that would at least advance a SDHC card .....
Antwort von Christex:
What exact Typenbezeichung is because on the packaging?
Canon Vixia HF 100 A KIT As pictograms / symbols are still there:
HD Video Lens
Super-Range Optical Image Stabilizer
-DIG! C DV II
-24p Cinema Mode
-30p Progressive
Mini Advanced Shoe
- HDMI
- AVCHD
HD CMOS
Studio-1920x1080
- SD HC
- Full HD 1080
Antwort von Christex:
"It is an NTSC camera, since it relies on the instruction manual says"
Well, that has now just have nothing to say. What exact Typenbezeichung is because on the packaging?
Marco Title: Re: Canon HF 100 - Model for the U.S. market rather than for Europe! What to do?
Author: Christex from: Fri, 05 Dec, 2008 12:11
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Canon Vixia HF 100 A KIT As pictograms / symbols are still there:
HD Video Lens
Super-Range Optical Image Stabilizer
-DIG! C DV II
-24p Cinema Mode
-30p Progressive
Mini Advanced Shoe
- HDMI
- AVCHD
HD CMOS
Studio-1920x1080
- SD HC
- Full HD 1080
Antwort von beiti:
If you are now a HD Television and had the recordings in HD ausschliueßlich wanted to perform, one could debate whether 60 Hz is acceptable nowadays.
But if you put the images on a standard PAL television play (and perhaps synonymous PAL DVDs for grandma and uncle burn Pate) want to fit the device is definitely not for you.
You have only two options: The risk of sending back to the camera or with a loss of U.S. model by e-Bay resell. I would send them back.
PS: There are now a number of dealers in Europe selling U.S. models and are confident that the film today on LCDs can play. It is usually in the range 60 Hz to the attention, but done so, as if totally irrelevant, until the (lay) a customer realizes what he was bought out, the return period will have elapsed.
Of course you can with the 60-Hz capability of modern television to argue, but that's only half the battle.
PS2: I was just on the Atlantiv Page. The avoided in the description of any reference to the variant of the Hz-HF100 - probably to guard against and to be able to say "we have never had a 50-Hz model promised." Respectable is certainly not. Since you can only hope that with the repayment everything goes smoothly - especially because you already opened the pack and the Battery have loaded.
Antwort von Christex:
If you are now a HD Television and had the recordings in HD ausschliueßlich wanted to perform, one could debate whether 60 Hz is acceptable nowadays.
But if you put the images on a standard PAL television play (and perhaps synonymous PAL DVDs for grandma and uncle burn Pate) want to fit the device is definitely not for you.
You have only two options: The risk of sending back to the camera or with a loss of U.S. model by e-Bay resell. I would send them back. What have the 60 Hz mean? What does this value? Had he been in the PAL version of the camcorder and different implications for what would be the consequences?
Antwort von beiti:
What have the 60 Hz mean? What does this value? Had he been in the PAL version of the camcorder and different implications for what would be the consequences? I have "50 Hz" and "60 Hz", because I do not "PAL" and "NTSC" wanted to write. The true HD camcorder is not really, because AVCHD is neither NTSC or PAL, and only the SD-Video outputs are NTSC or PAL - and although the 50-Hz version is in PAL and from the 60-Hz version NTSC. As we bring the legacy of the different television standards synonymous in the HD era again.
Seen in this way, can you, as a layman of course, synonymous of a PAL model and an NTSC model speak synonymous when it is somewhat inaccurate.
Antwort von Zizi:
enjoy yourself but about the 30 full-screen mode to the Pal users remains forbidden!
In fullscreen mode, but the expected 50-60hz is no longer a problem or make?
Antwort von beiti:
enjoy yourself but about the 30 full-screen mode to the Pal users remains forbidden!
In fullscreen mode, but the expected 50-60hz is no longer a problem or make? The solves no problem, but only creates new ones. Why should an old PAL 30 fps Television suddenly play it?
Antwort von Christex:
enjoy yourself but about the 30 full-screen mode to the Pal users remains forbidden!
In fullscreen mode, but the expected 50-60hz is no longer a problem or make? At the moment I am enjoying s.nichts, unfortunately, I have the camera just Tested. Unfortunately I could only by stereo-video cable to connect s.den Television. The image quality of my first video is more than modest, the colors are not displayed properly, a shining red (such as of Coca Cola) is only weakly ever perceived as a Red. The sound, however, is to synchronously Picture.
Has something now with 60HZ or 50 HZ to do or would have bad image quality with a PAL camcorder on my TV since been synonymous? (You see, I have no idea) ;-(
Antwort von beiti:
Has something now with 60HZ or 50 HZ to do or would have bad image quality with a PAL camcorder on my TV since been synonymous? (You see, I have no idea) ;-( Is from a distance hard to tell what your doing television because (as he then with the NTSC signal is clear), and under what conditions you've tested the camera (ie, whether the weak red signal problem or a camera problem).
HD quality you'll get on an old PAL Television never have - not synonymous, when the camera can output PAL.
Best case (ie if you are under good lighting conditions films) could be the quality on your television in about as good as a 16:9 television screen.
May be I'll ask you what with the camera ever did? Did you consciously for an HD model decided (even though you do not have a HD Television searched), or is that just "happens"?
What is with the recordings to happen later? On what medium do you want to archive? Do you want to cut them synonymous? Do you think DVDs or Blu-ray discs burn?
Do you want the images only on your own or watch television synonymous pass? If yes, how?
Antwort von RickyMartini:
At the moment I am enjoying s.nichts, unfortunately, I have the camera just Tested. Unfortunately I could only by stereo-video cable to connect s.den Television. The image quality of my first video is more than modest, the colors are not displayed properly, a shining red (such as of Coca Cola) is only weakly ever perceived as a Red. The sound, however, is to synchronously Picture.
Has something now with 60HZ or 50 HZ to do or would have bad image quality with a PAL camcorder on my TV since been synonymous? (You see, I have no idea) ;-( Not only the image frequency (60Hz to 50Hz) is NTSC to PAL different, but synonymous standard TV resolution (NTSC: 720x480, PAL: 720x576) and color!
This all leads to a PAL-NTSC TV without playback inedible images - how you can experience it today.
The camcorder works splendidly safe, at least in the display when the playback is clean.
Antwort von Christex:
[quote = "beiti"]
May be I'll ask you what with the camera ever did?
In the first place I bought it to the next junior to film and when I find out Gefallen, deeper into the matter "shooting" dive.
Did you consciously for an HD model decided (even though you do not have a HD Television searched), or is that just "happens"?
Yes, I know for a HD model because I decided IN3 years or so do not buy another camera wanted, then the HD can.
What is with the recordings to happen later? On what medium do you want to archive?
I want you to archive hard drive!
Do you want to cut them synonymous? rather not.
Do you think DVDs or Blu-ray discs burn? Yes DVDs, Blue-ray maybe later
Do you want the images only on your own or watch television synonymous pass? If yes, how?
I want to take shots in the first place on my TV and watch on DVD when required to pass.
Antwort von RickyMartini:
For playback on a TV it would make sense to the material into shape ( "In the near future is the spice") and then to SD on a DVD to SD TVs or HD TVs in HD on a SDHC card to copy to make it with the camcorder via HDMI with full quality to be able.
Antwort von beiti:
Yes, I know for a HD model because I decided IN3 years or so do not buy another camera wanted, then the HD can. Something like I had already thought of me.
Yes DVDs, Blue-ray possibly later [...] I want to take shots in the first place on my TV and watch on DVD when required to pass. My course, all questions were aimed at an assessment as to whether you with the U.S. model, despite the wrong standard can be happy or rather not. I fear now, the device is really not a good fit for your purposes.
Small overview of what the difference is:
The U.S. unit (NTSC-Model ") is 60 fields per second at the Euro-device (" PAL Model) absorb as much as 50 fields per second. With the naked eye looks identical - as if the play works.
It is 60 Hz using the software after converting 50 Hz, but this leads to bucking and impurity, because intermediate images need to be calculated. Moreover, it is (if it is done by software) time.
If you have an HD-Ready Television searched and connects via HDMI, you can do 50 Hz and 60 Hz alike play, since it plays no significant role in what standard you've recorded.
If you have your Television has only normal video cable connects the signal to the 60-Hz camera as NTSC output and the signal from the 50-Hz camera as PAL. Because Your Television seems only plays PAL, you have a problem now.
If you have the movie to want to burn normal DVD, you'll normally be material from a 50-Hz camera to a PAL DVD and process material from a 60-Hz camera to an NTSC DVD. For playback of NTSC DVDs in principle is the same as for the reproduction of the NTSC Camera: The television needs to be appropriate. (However, there are synonymous DVD player, the NTSC fully or partially after PAL and convert it to pure PAL TVs can display.)
If you have material from a 60-Hz camera so want to burn to DVD that everyone in Germany can play it, you must be of 60 to 50 Hz and then convert a PAL DVD build. It works today with most DV editing and DVD-burning programs - with the above-described disadvantages.
And there is a problem beyond the device compatibility: If you are under flickering fluorescent films, you'll get with a 60-Hz camera light brightness flicker - because here the power grid with 50 Hz pulsed and will then interfere with the 60-Hz Record result. (I was trying the opposite problem with a PAL camcorder in the U.S..)
Remains Conclusion: If you're filming in Germany, the material on PAL TVs and possibly play on PAL DVD burn want, is a 60-Hz device the wrong choice. You could the wrong course to take, synonymous like you an HD-Ready LCD zuzulegen. But whenever you will get standard problems (eg if you have NTSC DVD burning and the grandmother does not get played), you'll curse the company that you like this Camera angedreht has - for almost the same price for which you Buy the 50-Hz European model would have received. So try wherever possible to get rid of the thing to be.
Antwort von Christex:
Thank you for your detailed reply, (synonymous and all other responses). It is now synonymous the last doubt removed my turn, if I got the camera but may be retained in order to secure the Page to be. I will definitely purchase again rückabwickeln. Synonymous've already spoken with my bank that works and unfortunately it cost time, I curse, therefore, of the purchase now.
Someone wants a Canon HF 100 (U.S. version)? VB price :-)
Antwort von beiti:
Someone wants a Canon HF 100 (U.S. version)? VB price :-) I can not. :)
In Germany there are already interested in 60-Hz camcorder. For example, who produced specifically for YouTube, runs with better than 60 Hz with 50 Hz Even the 24p mode is interesting for some purposes. Only I fear that for the US-model always gets less money than for the Euro model.
Operating the device but just over the weekend at E-Bay at a fixed price (with option "Propose price") a look and if someone logs.
Antwort von Zizi:
Why you should Youtube at 60hz with a better ride?
If he is filming in frames, it is anyway no preference whether he has a
PAL or NTSC has?
I had the HF10 NTSC and was quite satisfied with the part
especially with derm 30p mode!
(mal abgeshen from AVCHD editing)
Antwort von beiti:
Why you should Youtube at 60hz with a better ride? This was recently discussed here: It appears YouTube converts everything to 30 fps, 25 fps when one or 50 Hz that bringing it jerky. With the current quality of YouTube is still unlikely, but can now synonymous YouTube HD.
If he is filming in frames, it is anyway no preference whether he has a
PAL or NTSC has? No, the problem remains exactly the same. Neither 24 or 30 fps with PAL is tolerated.
Antwort von meawk:
What is your lowest price?
Buy them yourself if necessary.
For 480 Euro, as a U.S. model for me no problem.
If disagree, please PM s.mich, so maybe we can make an appointment. Possibly. I get themselves (if you do not live in the world s.Ende).
meawk
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... please PM s.mich ... Brief for more information: The forum has no PM function. If you would like to be contacted directly, then type in your user profile e-mail address.
Antwort von RickyMartini:
Why send you the thing does not return back to see your money again to get this?
It is quite obviously a wrong!
To use it you will not so much to deduct.
Antwort von beiti:
Why send you the thing does not return back to see your money again to get this?
It is quite obviously a wrong! If you
Antwort von Christex:
What is your lowest price?
Buy them yourself if necessary.
For 480 Euro, as a U.S. model for me no problem.
If disagree, please PM s.mich, so maybe we can make an appointment. Possibly. I get themselves (if you do not live in the world s.Ende).
meawk Hello meawk,
I live in the vicinity of Kassel, pickup is no problem. 480 ¬ but I lost too much value for a new Camera. I will be in a new forum thread unstop where I offer the Camera, keyword:
Sell new CANON HF 100 (U.S. Model) You can then I will gladly submit tenders or possibly by e-mail in profile s.meine deposited address.
Greeting
Christex
Antwort von keksmonster:
Mir is the same thing happens with atlantiv.com. Would like to have my Canon Vixia HF100 is also for sale!
Antwort von segfaultii:
Mir is the same thing happens with atlantiv.com. Would like to have my Canon Vixia HF100 is also for sale! I am interested s.dem U.S. model, because what is your email address?
Antwort von keksmonster:
deko202002@yahoo.de
Antwort von MK:
The deviations of the article and the excessive amount of the deposit was expected to have a reversal in the credit card companies justify if paid by credit card was, I would place myself as s.Deiner times make clever.
Edit: Seen it by bank direct debit has been paid, then stop by repeated charges and return of the product only if you like the pre-pay the postage.
Antwort von Vegas9:
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