Frage von bulldoc:
Hello everybody!
Have I purchased a Canon HG20 and now all the functions durchgetestet (which I took two days).
I'm just dissatisfied with a very clearly perceptible noise sound when playing s.TV. Sure, the hard drive sirrt very softly, when the cam keeps your ear, but not recalled s.das Tonrauschen. I had a total of 3 years earlier, shortly camcorder in use. Only with an SonyTRV110E was synonymous to me a fundamental noise (which otherwise was a great cam). Has anyone else been the HG21 and HG20, or similar or other problems? Or is the enthusiasm to share?
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Antwort von deti:
When and how you take the noise it?
- You use the manual or automatic audio control? If the auto is enabled, the noise in more peaceful surroundings.
- Is your television via HDMI or analog audio / video connected? The analog path can be a little more noise.
Generally it is an external Microphone adapter. The built-in microphones are many score poorly. Such as:
- Susceptibility to wind noise,
- The poor channel separation in stereo recordings,
- The poor response in the bass range.
My experience with the HG series is very well what the audio quality is concerned. I always use external microphones when recording the sound arrives.
Deti
Antwort von bulldoc:
Thank you for the quick reply!
- The cam I have on the supplied Component cable and RCA-jack cables s.den TV, the picture for the PC via DVI-HDMI s.den TV and the sound through coaxial digital s.den receiver. No difference in terms of background noise when recording in quiet surroundings. Channel separation and frequency response, I was absolutely in order for a Cam.
- By Deti's Tip of the level setting, I then for me the best compromise between noise and sensitivity found.
- It was pleasing that the Cam synonymous in the recording position s.Moduswahlrad (and not only in the play) and connected s.TV Picture and Sound s.hochauflösenden TV judge! And not only s.LCD monitor (or the Viewfinder HG21)! A feature in the manual is not mentioned!
- Deti! What hast thou external Micros in the HG series with the idiosyncratic mini accessory shoe regardless of the price the best experience?
- A fly in the ointment remains - the message when the Cam: "Application is running, power supply not interrupt!" It reminds me s.die old Windows message: "Windows was not properly shut down."
bulldoc
Antwort von deti:
- Deti! What hast thou external Micros in the HG series with the idiosyncratic mini accessory shoe regardless of the price the best experience?
We use mostly wireless microphone systems, eg
SENNHEISER EW 100 ENG G2 / D-BAND (Empfänger einfach s.den Handriemen clippen) oder synonymous das originale
Canon DM-100 THE T.BONE EM9600
SENNHEISER EW 100 ENG G2 / D-BAND (Empfänger einfach s.den Handriemen clippen) oder synonymous das originale
- A fly in the ointment remains - the message when the Cam: "Application is running, power supply not interrupt!" It reminds me s.die old Windows message: "Windows was not properly shut down." SENNHEISER EW 100 ENG G2 / D-BAND (Empfänger einfach s.den Handriemen clippen) oder synonymous das originale
This is exactly the same as when off of a normal computer. Here, the operating system synonymous cleanly shut down, and others to file system errors to be avoided. Welcome to the world of modern video cameras ;-)
Deti
Antwort von bulldoc:
Is that in the normal HG20/21 perhaps? If my HG20 off (ie the lenses are not yet in the grip of the auto are?) Easy to shift and her vibrator, is a soft lens housing Klacker in the same rhythm to be heard. Or is synonymous with the other camcorders in general? In any event, when a Google search found nothing. Maybe I'm just too fussy synonymous ...
But I'd like after all my efforts with the mitglieferten software and my laptop still give a hint. At extremely convenient way to easily SDHC Recorded in my Panasonic BD35 player and slide in FullHD regard. It puts me in astonishment how lightly and smooth the Cam itself and a BlueRay player High play and how hard is good PC hardware does.
bulldoc
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... If my HG20 off ... easy to shift and her vibrator, is a soft lens housing Klacker in the same rhythm to hear .... Has the camera an optical Image Stabilization? Then this would sound off normal.
Antwort von deti:
Is normal, hab grad to take a shook.
Deti
Antwort von bulldoc:
Thank you both! Am now reassured.
bulldoc
Antwort von miwu:
Hello,
I am much more positive after the HG20, I have read today in the times Media Markt ne test shot. I have directly on a 2 GB SD card with the highest quality (24 Mbps) recorded. When I looked at the pictures you've viewed at home, I have seen that in 1-2 seconds from the clock is always very short but noticeable shakes.
S.alle HG20/21-Besitzer My question: Is this for you as synonymous, it is perhaps only s.der SD Card? To make sure I have the data with Nero to MPEG 2 with a lower data rate is converted, the bucking was still there.
Thank you for your help!
Miwu
Antwort von deti:
Since nix jerky - if the so-usual, then None would buy this camera and keep.
Deti
Antwort von miwu:
Thank you, then I'll have access.
Many greetings
Miwu
Antwort von RickyMartini:
Is that in the normal HG20/21 perhaps? If my HG20 off (ie the lenses are not yet in the grip of the auto are?) Easy to shift and her vibrator, is a soft lens housing Klacker in the same rhythm to be heard. Or is synonymous with the other camcorders in general? In any event, when a Google search found nothing. Maybe I'm just too fussy synonymous ...
But I'd like after all my efforts with the mitglieferten software and my laptop still give a hint. At extremely convenient way to easily SDHC Recorded in my Panasonic BD35 player and slide in FullHD regard. It puts me in astonishment how lightly and smooth the Cam itself and a BlueRay player High play and how hard is good PC hardware does.
bulldoc Mid / end of the 90s of last century had very few computer data signals in real-time process.
Today, practically everyone.
When will the HD in the coming years as regulate.
Current graphics cards are, however, be able to play AVC easily, but unfortunately this feature is not so readily when cut programs include what the CPU is virtually "unemployed" could do.
Antwort von SirDuffy:
We use mostly wireless microphone systems, eg SENNHEISER EW 100 ENG G2 / D-BAND (Empfänger einfach s.den Handriemen clippen) oder synonymous das originale Canon DM-100 for the proprietary mini accessory shoe, if it's stereo needs. When the Micro slightly more directional effect should have the tut's
Antwort von deti:
Hi ... there is a question for me: The THE T. BONE EM9600 has been an XLR connector. How close you s.die the HG20 (which has a 3.5 input jack)?
With a simple adapter
Deti
Antwort von nachtspion:
@ Deti: May I ask you, for what purpose you use the HG20/21? If you have such an "expensive" Funkset anstöpselst, maybe you do interviews with it?
Maybe you have a link to such?
After the HS300 and the S10 in the RF tests have not responded well, I think the HG's a really interesting alternative. Have very similar values for the HF100, but the possibility of the Aperture manual set. Then yes, only the poorly resolved joystick with manual focus. And I did, as long as I can remember, my VX2100 almost always have auto focus, because of the very good work. Can you give me something to autofocus the HG's to say? I was in Media Markt and did as the autofocus of the HF11 (technically identical?) Tested and found him miserable.
Antwort von deti:
@ Deti: May I ask you, for what purpose you use the HG20/21? If you have such an "expensive" Funkset anstöpselst, maybe you do interviews with it?
Maybe you have a link to such?
We have, inter alia, HG20 and HF100 with us in service, if a small inexpensive camera with great image quality is needed, the synonymous times may go broke. The Sennheiser sets are our in-house standard (albeit for slightly better camera), but they can easily be synonymous but s.kleine cameras connect.
An interview I just did not online, but I am such times one from the raw material out and do it YouTube.
EDIT: Now I have a snippet uploaded:
- as was the HF100 in use, the Sound and a second camera angle is recorded. Would like the first perspective synonymous still found, with the Kameraton a big Sony - because we would have heard it in the hall was pretty loud.
After the HS300 and the S10 in the RF tests have not responded well, I think the HG's a really interesting alternative. Have very similar values for the HF100, but the possibility of the Aperture manual set.
The Aperture, you can on all models manual adjust. I would privately immediately HF100 buy cheap and because no hard drive. But I've simply no time and desire to film home video - there's always just out of scrap.
always auto focus, because of the very good work. Can you give me something to autofocus the HG's to say? I was in Media Markt and did as the autofocus of the HF11 (technically identical?) Tested and found him miserable.
If you have the autofocus of Canon bad find, then you will have the competitors have not yet seen! Even the slightly more expensive SonyPMW EX-3 is significantly worse.
A general problem is the manual sharp points at the small displays with low resolutions s.den cameras. If you do not experience, then you quickly despondent. Somehow you have something but with all cameras in this price class to accept.
Deti
Antwort von nachtspion:
Thanks deti,
you'd probably prefer the HF100, the HG20 as a buy. Only because of the hard drive? The price is almost irrelevant. The HF100 currently costs approximately 580 ¬ the HG20 640 ¬. The 60 ¬ I can afford.
What are the 24Mbit and Peaking at HG assessed?
I want to use the Cam mainly for interviews, often in lowlight environments use. Published primarily on the Internet. The possibility BluRays's or DVD's to produce, I would like to open. Especially for BluRays I thought that maybe the 24 Mbit better.
I'm actually against synonymous disk recorder, but the HG20 is currently the cheapest camcorder allows recording of 24Mbit and about in the price segment of the HF100 is. The 800 ¬ for the HF11 are overpaid when one considers that they are actually identical with the HG is.
Antwort von deti:
The 24Mbit / s are totally overrated. I can with the best will in no difference between 17 and 24Mbit / s total. Especially if you are anyway only producing for the web, then you rarely more than 2Mbit / s (eg, YouTube HD). Which "Peaking" is to make the HG20?
Deti
Antwort von nachtspion:
So for the web, I will in the future to optimize 6Mbit. As I said, I would like the Blu Ray option open.
Peaking on the topic, as follows from the camcorder Slashcam Database:
The Peaking function will be asked sharp objects in the display screen or in the viewfinders with a Farbschleier provide.
This is high-resolution camcorders at the sharp points easier, because the Resolutiondes displays usually far below the Resolutionliegt filmed.
The thing is, if the hard drive in addition to the higher power consumption at a disadvantage. I would only have to record the card, but I think the hard drive still in operation. On average, movies I never longer than 2 hours. I come with the standard battery the VX2100 very good deal, and keep the 225 minutes.
Antwort von deti:
Ok, so the Peaking function, there is neither the HG20 or the HF100. Also here is an error in the Slashcam database.
The real differences are:
- The HG20/21 brings in Framdakkus a message you must first wegklicken before with the camera work.
- The HG20/21 (synonymous HF11) has the newer firmware, with the nicer menus - the menu but do not differ of the HF100.
- The 24Mbit / s mode is only available HG20/21 and HF11 - but brings no visible optical change.
- SD card slot is double-locked the HF100, the HG20/21 simply.
- Battery holds the subject of the mode in the HG20/21 slightly less long than the HF100 - especially at 24Mbit / s.
- The display of the HF100 reflects more than the HG20/21.
- The HF100, you can run over 3000m, which is not officially HG20/21.
- The HF100 is smaller and lighter than the HG20/21.
- The HG20/21 can AnyNet via remote control via HDMI, the HF100 does not.
Deti
Antwort von nachtspion:
My last question on the topic:)
Have you ever Green Screen keying or tested with the cameras? Could there possibly an advantage of 24Mbit give?
Antwort von deti:
No, I did not - make all the cameras and the only 4:2:0's enough for keying in difficult conditions is not enough. The bitrate should only play a role, provided that the image content in a short period of time changes. Some test sequences in the different bit rates of the raw material of HG20 are eg
Antwort von nachtspion:
Deti Thanks for your help!
Antwort von HG21Tobi:
Hi,
'm new to the forum and have purchased my HG21.
Now I have the following problem:
When off is always the message "application is running, power supply not interrupt."
Is this normal or do I have an application cleanly Close (similar to PC)?.
Have always Befüchtung that I am affecting the hard drive crash.
Can anyone tell what this. Sorry if this already in the forum which is, unfortunately, this had to rummage found nothing.
Regards
Tobi
- Deti! What hast thou external Micros in the HG series with the idiosyncratic mini accessory shoe regardless of the price the best experience?
We use mostly wireless microphone systems, eg SENNHEISER EW 100 ENG G2 / D-BAND (Empfänger einfach s.den Handriemen clippen) oder synonymous das originale Canon DM-100 for the proprietary mini accessory shoe, if it's stereo needs. When the Micro slightly more directional effect should have tut's the THE T.BONE EM9600 with Wuschelwindschutz (Deadcat). Alternativ gibt's of Rode synonymous günstige and gute Produkte.
- A fly in the ointment remains - the message when the Cam: "Application is running, power supply not interrupt!" It reminds me s.die old Windows message: "Windows was not properly shut down."
This is exactly the same as when off of a normal computer. Here, the operating system synonymous cleanly shut down, and others to file system errors to be avoided. Welcome to the world of modern video cameras ;-)
Deti
