Frage von luftikus143:
Hello,
've read in the forum that:
"The HV30 features in HDV 1080 50i to (; synonymous in HDV25 mode), and HDV mean maximum 1440 x 1080 pixels. Is 1920 x 1080 at the HV30 only possible as Stillimage. Full HD video, that is 1920 x 1080 pixels, There's only with AVCHD recording, as it dominates the HF100 "."
So the HV 30 is not really HD? Is thus a kind of compromise between SD and Full HD? Sowas is worthwhile now to buy yet? Or would it be (directly 1920-compatible material; buy for family situation movies)?
Thank you for hints!
Antwort von deti:
More info on this http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Definition_Video
My opinion: It pays absolutely no longer buy cameras with tape drive. HDV comes from the early days of high definition television. Better are current cameras that record completely wear in the AVCHD format on flash-based storage medium.
Even that was very controversial debate here in the forum.
Deti
Antwort von Rene_MX5:
For CANON, I do not know me like this but for many manufacturers is the HD not HDV, but also for hard disk hard drive.
Antwort von luftikus143:
Thank you for your opinion. I think 'yes synonymous that SD is a better storage media nowadays. I will not only have to buy a new computer (; of wg. AVCHD). Have a 2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 3 GB MacBook Pro, and now reach) has the limit.
Antwort von ThomasM:
I am also about to buy a camcorder. Nights've read here in the forum;) and just now when I thought I'll take the fix HV30 is the statement
It is worth absolutely not buy more cameras with tape drive ...
Especially on average I tend to HDV. Your average computer is a MacBook Pro 2.5GHz Core 2 Duo with 4GB 667MHz DDR2 Ram and GeForce 8600M GT (; 512MB). Estimated useful lives for about 3 to 4 years;)
Many discussions / posts on the web and here on the forum "vs. HDV. AVCHD" are synonymous, or very old even in the early days of AVCHD. Therefore, I would like to join the issue - it's worth buying or HDV, or AVCHD is within the next year and dominate easier to cut his (; without a hardware upgrade - so) through improved software implementations?
Antwort von actaion:
A cross between SD and full HD is 720i / p.
1440x1080 is already up close s.Full HD.
When you consider that some full-HD cams have a sensor with just 1.5 times MP, though so minute. 2 would be needed, or really even 6 for the FULL HD resolution auszureizen really full, it is unlikely dan make a relevant difference if the Cam spits 1920x1080 or 1440x1080.
Antwort von deti:
AVC for cutting of material are two workflows depending on the computing power in question:
- S.DualCore ~ 2.4 Ghz: native with programs like "Sony Vegas Movie Studio Platinum
- For helping weaker CPUs prior to transcoding MPEG2-flowing cut. To this end, there is a large number of converters for Linux, MacOS X and Windows.
Often, computers are replaced in shorter cycles, as the video - and digital cameras. So you should include these individual renewal plans with the purchase of cameras.
Deti
Antwort von WoWu:
@ ThomasM
Deti has already written it .... And in the papers for about 1 1 / 2 years, it's probably been expressed.
The old posts have nothing to s.Aktualität lost.
What I predicted at that time already is, if synonymous bit later, actually arrived so.
It is not likely that Manufacturers will still be MPEG2 support in the segment.
That will probably concentrate on AVC and improvements will probably take in the future with the increasing tendency of these procedures.
It depends einwenig a matter of what time horizon we follow with a camera investment.
I would join Detis view and synonymous in terms of computational power ..... There is no question of the "big" machine, but a question of software ... and the load distribution thereof. And whoever it may not yet have a supplier who works with security on it.
Antwort von Daigoro:
I got me a camera with tape taken as long as it still exists.
Perhaps the industry will find it's great that we equip ourselves in the semi-annual cycle with new software that will not keep what has been promised since 4-5 years and more than a 'is determined (soon, with the next fee update)' There's halt still do not.
With HDV, you can just do better at the moment and in 5 years now as good as or better (; more processor power) - as you have to wait for nothing.
In addition, the tapes are cheap, standardized, widely available, stable prices and a backup solution that is synonymous not so much worse than dozens of hard disks.
The cards are not mechanically or electrically actually wear * free *.
Antwort von Axel:
HDV is not the same HDV and AVCHD AVCHD is not equal, it still depends on other parameters. 1440-HD are not, but a 1920 Cam 1/4tel with one inch or smaller chip just a fortiori. The resolution is also only one factor among many for image quality, it is naive to think that we would be synonymous with 2 million pixels happier if half of it consists of artifacts.
The theoretically better workflow of the card to tape is for now limited to the latest calculator and / or special software. Firstly, the development is progressing rapidly, the other I do not know whether the existence of a high-quality Intel MBP to purchase a AVCHD cam would be particularly useful (; keywords software, operating system, etc.). Or rather, I
know that this would not have the time.
Deti has already written it .... And in the papers for about 1 1 / 2 years, it's probably been expressed.
The old posts have nothing to s.Aktualität lost.
What I predicted at that time already is, if synonymous bit later, actually arrived so. The seer.
Antwort von luftikus143:
other hand, I do not know whether the existence of a high-quality Intel MBP to purchase a AVCHD cam would be particularly useful (; keywords software, operating system, etc.). Or rather, I know that this would not have the time. What do you mean? If I understand correctly iMovie09 AVCHD can read without problems, or not? Would thus only 'ne question of conversion to another format. And if there is not a 90 minutes film, but only about 5 minutes clips family ...?
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Axel
HDV is not the same HDV and AVCHD AVCHD is not equal, it still depends on other parameters. 1440 are not FullHD Whoooauuuu class statement.
The seer. You see Axel standing, clear-cut case of misjudgment, because the information available to all ... synonymous Dir
Perhaps this results in a sustained Fehleischätzung comment:
other hand, I do not know whether the existence of a high-quality Intel MBP to purchase a AVCHD cam would be particularly useful (; keywords software, operating system, etc.). Or rather, I know that this would not have the time. Check out the current time computer architectures to ... There is hardly a calculator with a single-core .... And once you look at Windows 7 and Mac OS 10.6 to .... that's you, shows why you are lying and wrong with your recommendation once again reach into the Mußtopf ...
@ Luftikus143
iMovie 9 has two options. AVCHD only as original file to be archived, or import regimes, while the imported components are (but, yet) converted to an intermediate codec.
iMovie may be synonymous (;) nor export any AVCHD.
This should, however, with Mac OS10.6 announced, as amended.
Antwort von luftikus143:
iMovie 9 has two options. AVCHD only as original file to be archived, or import regimes, while the imported components are (but, yet) converted to an intermediate codec.
iMovie may be synonymous (;) nor export any AVCHD.
This should, however, with Mac OS10.6 announced, as amended. If the former (; AVCHD as original file archiving) a disadvantage? Importing via a codec leads to quality loss? Which format is it then?
You would say that AVCHD iMovie on Mac / smaller clips is not a problem? So rather than SD MiniDV?
Antwort von Axel:
Check out the current time computer architectures to ... There is hardly a calculator with a single-core .... And once you look at Windows 7 and Mac OS 10.6 to .... that's you, shows why you are lying and wrong with your recommendation once again reach into the Mußtopf ... Which recommendation? Where do you want to have you with 1 1 / 2 years of your 6-month forecast exceeded by three times, to know whether the
next iMovie offers native support and whether - and if so, when - support synonymous in FCE or Final Cut Pro there be? For Apple users, the prognosis is that AVCHD is currently supported, still not arrived. That you turn around now, to turn it against Apple. So you know das
@ Luftikus143
iMovie 9 has two options. AVCHD only as original file to be archived, or import regimes, while the imported components are (but, yet) converted to an intermediate codec.
iMovie may be synonymous (;) nor export any AVCHD.
This should, however, with Mac OS10.6 announced, as amended. The announcement WoWu and Apple can not be beat.
You would say that AVCHD iMovie on Mac / smaller clips is not a problem? So rather than SD MiniDV? WoWu you
can not in good conscience recommend AVCHD on a Mac, because the only way currently exists still in the Intermediate Codec. It's like hair washing with honey.
Besides, you can install Windows and Vegas.
Besides, you can
wait for future software development at Apple (;'s because many promises, no guarantees, as we have seen).
I am (not on memory, use even more XDCAM EX) to AVCHD, but you should be aware of things above.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Axel
Computing should not be a secret ...
... with a prognosis of 6 months prior 1/1/2 years and would correspond to an overrun of 1 years which, when it gave way, the 2-fold and not the 3-fold excess.
Where do the 6 months always synonymous.
Apart from that it's better sometimes misjudge once in the time of receipt, as in the overall assessment of the development .... is not it, Axel?
Otherwise, you should read once synonymous Apple sources, (; example the description of Build 10A380) as the last edition to see the whole picture on. (; Old theme, as described above.) But the profane for "wits" naturally.
She prefers to philosophize about the fact that the earth may still may be a disk, and whether HDV is not enforced as a final format of the future and there is a renaissance of the magnetic tape.
For Apple users, the prognosis is that AVCHD is currently supported, still not arrived. If someone claims that Apple already AVCHD (supported, natively)?
(; See above description)
@ Luftikus143
If the former (; AVCHD as original file archiving) a disadvantage? No, not at all ... and would be just fine just to work the same format in the native codec.
But at least it is still in the original for later processing are available .... thus already an improvement over the previous version of iMovie.
You would say that AVCHD iMovie on Mac / smaller clips is not a problem? Although I am no friend of the intermediate codecs, but for the described application you will surely come to realize since iMovie9 has some really outstanding features.
And if you later want to use the original codec, or AIC (quality, Apple's own intermediate codec) is not enough .... Then You cut it just once more in AVC.
Antwort von weitwinkel:
holiday recordings for family / is an HDV cam a la HV30
still full enough ...
the difference to a 1920x1080 image of an AVCHD cam a la HF100
is barely visible ....
gruß cj
Antwort von ThomasM:
luftikus143, I hope it does not bother you that I'm using your thread, attach synonymous questions;)
Wide angle and the other - what do you think about HV30 under the following conditions:
(- Doku / Reportage projects at the university, many interviews, street scenes, everyday scenes)
- Summer 2010 documentary turning two or three months in Asia (; also University Project; backpack travel with little luggage and NO (;!) Laptop)
- Velbon DV 7000 is available
- AKG C 1000 S (; http://geizhals.at/a193428.html) is bought
- Cutting machine is the aforementioned MacBook Pro, I will continue to use at least another 3 years. A new acquisition is coming solely for financial reasons, not the question.
Antwort von weitwinkel:
I would plan a HV30 for your HF100 prefer a ...
especially when there is no laptop / storage tank is available
tapes may be better to archive ...
Also it has a little more manual control and a viewfinder ...
gruß cj
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
I was a month n.with over 4000 of the Canon HV30 in Morocco and the road was there, 10 bands fully incorporated into HDV. Meanwhile, everything is cut without any drop-outs on the PC and for the most part already. With the HD quality of the recordings I am very satisfied. On the way I've always had prev when time (ever seen a rough HDV foremen in the accompanying notebook, 2x2, 4GHz processor) conducted what is going easy for HDV, of course.
Anyone interested in the camera, which can
here
Tip: you must be before such a trip with the functionality and features of the deal his camera intensely, so that you can then use these skills synonymous sense!
My original footage of the trip next stay secured on miniDV, will also be archived on the cut strips. Of course, the final video will be Blu-rays and DVDs for Companions created.
This eternal argument, the use of tapes would be out of date, impresses me not at all, I now work even with two HDV cameras to my full personal pleasure. 've Recorded over the time is now around 50 tapes in HDV, I have never seen drop outs. Use simple miniDV tapes of Panasonic.
The thread entitled "Canon HV 30 is not really HD?" is arrant nonsense!
Antwort von Axel:
Apart from that it's better sometimes misjudge once in the time of receipt, as in the overall assessment of the development .... is not it, Axel? Wrong! Who would have married years ago and the day of your predictions, had not the least
bit better choice of AVCHD cams as usual today, and at least one for an amateur stony undeserved years behind. Even if I had ever claimed HDV stand before a renaissance (; pfff), and in good faith, cam someone had purchased an HDV because of this statement, he would have in terms of features synonymous day had the better camera and no reason to agree on the to annoy decision.
@ Luftikus143
If the former (; AVCHD as original file archiving) a disadvantage?
No, not at all ... and would be just fine just to work the same format in the native codec.
....
Although I am no friend of the intermediate codecs, but for the described application you will surely come to realize since iMovie9 has some really outstanding features. Have you ever worked with? I do not, but I know the old versions and read in the forums with. What does the professional to the lack of 1080p and, of course, import-export function? Only "large"; (x 960 540) or SD? Then why even an HD Cam? Oh, right, Bluray is indeed not supported, and this "HD" format so totally sufficient for iTunes! (; EDIT: iMovie is the great equalizer, synonymous HDV can be cut only as intermediates, can not be synonymous again replayed on tape).
Send surface, but a timeline is really completely unnecessary?
'm Curious about what Luftikus answer thee, if he is now an appropriate price of the HV30 AVCHD picks, with consistently beschisseneren features and trying to edit with iMovie. Probably, he wrote, thanks for the tip, WoWu!
