Frage von ewok2003:
Hi,
I've opened this thread, because the Canon HV30 so now for some sellers is ordered (they did in the T-Online shop for 909.00 euros as at 13.02.08, found).
Some irritated me:
If the camera video to DV tape or SD card, or both?
Can I continue to watch the videos with Premiere 6.5 editing (I have the software once for expensive money and wanted to buy are not thrown away)?
Can I use the camera with either HD or SD recording?
Can HD images onto SD conversions (since HD player has not yet all)?
Can the HDV material quite normal with a notebook (1.7 Core Duo, 1024 MB RAM, Win XP) process?
Thanks for your answers!
Antwort von Helene:
The new Canon HV30 takes to tape on.
Photos can be stored on MiniSD.
The camcorder is synonymous in the "old" on DV.
The functions are approximately the same as with the HV20, but there is now synonymous a 30p mode, with which the low-light performance can be improved.
I do not know whether your notebook is strong enough to HDV tape to edit. At least for the memory, it could just be ...:)
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
1 GB of RAM for HD editing sufficient. Kommt halt to your editing program, as it bypasses with the resource. As more memory is not wrong: you can have the notebook on a second GB upgrade?
BG, Andreas
Antwort von ewok2003:
Super, thanks for your quick answers!
I do not know whether your notebook is strong enough to HDV tape to edit. At least for the memory, it could just be ...:) Precisely because of my notebooks should AVCHD yes to memory-intensive, so this would be HDV Camera is the right one for me.
If then, of course, with my calculator and mainly work with Premiere 6.5.
Retooling to 2 GB of RAM is not readily available. Then I would rather buy a new notebook.
Is Premiere 6.5 editing program as appropriate (synonymous to the HD recordings to edit)?
Antwort von Helene:
So if you have no chance, but the extremely computationally intensive AVCHD to cut (for example, for cost reasons for the new purchase of a PC or super-notebook), then the HV30 is actually the optimal solution.
Good, good quality (if the first test report can be trusted and in view of the apparently very popular HV20). The hard disk models with their (still) unwieldy AVCHD offer no better quality.
Personally, I think that I look at the new Canon also hole.
300 euros cheaper than the hard competition with good manual controls, great quality - and it does not require excessive computing power in order to cut the videos.
Unfortunately I have no experience with the HDV editing and may not accurately tell whether your notebook is strong enough.
Antwort von Helene:
As far as I know Premiere 6.5 is from 2003. Is it the HDV editing function, or is there the possibility that a plug-in download?
Sorry for the double post;)
Antwort von ewok2003:
What software do you edit videos then?
Generally, I hope, in Adobe Premiere 6.5 will be able to.
Have just nachgeschaut. Since HDV is not dissolved in 720x576 (I hope that this statement is correct), a plugin should be required. On the website I think this is not. So I probably need the new version of Premiere.
Antwort von Helene:
"What software do you edit videos then?"
For mpeg2-based Canon HV30 HDV, there are several cheap editing programs.
Almost every supported mpeg2 - what one of the AVCHD mpeg4 models can not say.
Setback for 100 euros you get a good ...:)
With Adobe, I know I am not, I'm the video deluxe cutter;)
Antwort von ewok2003:
The other two of the new Canon camcorder (HF10 and HF100), only the new AVCHD format?
After all, when Canon HF10 and HF100 software is probably reasonable:
"The delivery of your camcorder is one powerful software, including Pixela ImageMixer (TM) 3 SE for managing, editing and playback of video clips. This allows videos even convert to other file formats." Maybe then you can then yes AVCHD convert HDV into ...
Antwort von Helene:
AVCHD is mpeg4 ... I do not know whether you can convert into mpeg2.
HDV (high definition video) is both ...
The processing included with such programs is possible, but not so nice and just like with buying.
Synonymous, but I do believe that there is only a matter of time until AVCHD reasonable and cheap can be cut ...
Antwort von stevenk:
Yes, the Canon series differed in the HG-* and the HV-* models.
And I think there are still models of HF * (chip host?)
HV stands for tape
HG for hard drive
Yes ... for RF chip or memory card?
Antwort von sas_hh:
hey, did you mailorder times the demand?
perhaps they have only been with the visual range and they can only deliver in April?
I ask because I'm interested Strak synonymous;)
Antwort von stevenk:
Is Premiere 6.5 editing program as appropriate (synonymous to the HD recordings to edit)? No - not synonymous with a plug.
Is synonymous but not necessary - I am myself of Premiere 6 on Premiere Pro 2 on my current prog - Premiere Elements 4 - transition. Costs about 80 ¬. You actually get all the features you know from Premiere 6 and also a little more export opportunities (usPSP, Web and DVD) and to a simple DVD authoring.
Your calculator should be for rich - according to Adobe for HD editing P4 with 3GHz, XP SP2 and 1 GB of RAM.
For the SD reaches synonymous editing much less ...
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... HDV (high definition video) is both ... Both would be best HD, but HDV is a precisely defined format HD with MPEG2 recording on tape-based and must compete with AVCHD.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von stevenk:
Vote. You're right. The "Consumer" High-definition differs of the broadcast HD ...
And I'm interested in what the image compression is better ...
mpeg2 has a greater data transmission with about 25 MB / s, but mpeg4 (up to 17 MB / s) is "modern" = future-proof (?)
Antwort von Schleichmichel:
I would cautiously say that the quality because of the different data rate is almost equal to one when MPEG4 and therefore at the moment only has a location advantage.
If in any case, expandable, and will probably establish, if nothing else, new and better comes in between. At the moment, but I would still use HDV. Keeps everything anyway so not much longer than the warranty.
Antwort von Chrissigorn:
"Does everything anyway so not much longer than the warranty."
What do you mean? Do you think nothing of HDV?
Antwort von sas_hh:
HDV in turn is in any case difficult and time-consuming than on sd, it must be the same as completely different things in mind, people painting, etc.;)
But do you see the hv30 now somewhere safe to order?
Antwort von stevenk:
Yes, there are some shops:
http://www.google.de/products?q=hv30&btnG=Produkte + Search
And in tests, the camera only minimally better than the previous model (HV20) - if anyone is interested.
After all, is now an additional 30p mode and offered a "edleres" design in piano-black;)
Antwort von sas_hh:
can one explain to me how the full hd with the situation? the hv30 makes yes, but there is always something of its effective pixel number exactly as high as that of the HV20. wwahh I hate that, at 16mm, everything is so much easier.
So it's about me-I'm the HV20 to get wait or to be (or probably did not wait) to tell me to buy the hv30.
'm confused ...
Antwort von stevenk:
HV30 = HV20 (technical)
Full HD Canon with tape can not record, but only up to 1440x1080 pixels.
Just buy the HV30 and happy with the videos will be;)
The best man forgets the whole damned conversion, pixels, Full-HD, interlaced and progressive and, above all AVCHD - goes into the shop and gets a nice tape camcorder, which has the possibility to record in HD.
Slowly I krieg headache of the Mist: D
Antwort von sas_hh:
So there would be no, according to your statement to the primary color, the hv30 to buy?
but if I ne platte and connect to the host but it should work with full hd or
Antwort von wolfgang:
HDV in turn is in any case difficult and time-consuming than on sd, it must be the same as completely different things in mind, people painting, etc.;)
Really, why? Such comment gabs of women but only in the specific industry, or else is probably in the HDV consumer camcorder with such None are extra schminken want ....
And no, with WP 6.5, you can definitely no longer cut and HDV output. Since you will after a scout must be other software, I am afraid.
Antwort von stevenk:
http://www.preissuchmaschine.de/psm_frontend/main.asp?suche=hv30
Antwort von sas_hh:
hm yes in the offer have so many, is just the question when the supply ...?
naja imagine times before rtl ne holds gala from, and keeps the camera in the audience-BÄNG, since many will complain because they are fast at once to look like they never had ... and synonymous with the scenic must rotate much geschminkt more details and to be respected. I find it quite funny!
looks like for now, so there are no differences between 20 and 30?
Antwort von stevenk:
Will be delivered in March. First in first out.
Antwort von Meggs:
Is Premiere 6.5 editing program as appropriate (synonymous to the HD recordings to edit)? The first version of Premiere with the free plugin interface supported HD-Pro was 1.5. Premiere upgrades to any previous version provided - 6.5 is upgraded to the latest version (CS3). However, rising hardware requirements with each release. My tip: If a favorable Ebay upgrade of 6.5 to Pro 1.5 and Pro 2.0.
Antwort von Jan:
I will not constantly repeated.
HV 30 to HV 20
- New 2.7 inch 16:9 widescreen MultiangleVividLCD
- Black Color
- Modified / improved image processing
30 P? - Yes the U.S. version, the German / Austrian / Swiss HV 30 still runs with 25 P, logically synonymous our television system bassiert on 50i (hence 25 P - 25 frames = 50 fields) and not on 60i (30P - 30 frames = 60 fields) - unfortunately, you have the tests read from the states.
March is delivered, I must look like if Canon Sonyden launch brought forward by one week (eg HC 9).
AVC (AVCHD) allows data rate with half of HDV (eg Canon HV 20 & 30 and SonyHC 7 & 9) the same image quality, because it is a more advanced codec and bitstream is.
Please listen with this Full HD on dung.
VG
Jan
Antwort von ewok2003:
So, we summarize times:
AVCHD is a format for the size of the video compression (like mp3 to wav). AVCHD is, however, so "strongly" compressed format that only computers with high expenses and not yet mature software can edit.
This is the advantage to the Canon HV30 to purchase. The camera provides HD recording in the HDV format (not AVCHD !!!), that is similar with the normal AVI Premiere can edit.
If you want to on a regular DVD player in its HDV geschnitten pictures, you have the video only once in a Standard Definition (SD) to convert, ie, as an mpg stream.
This makes the Canon HV30 for demanding amateur filmmaker, who is her little picture material with a high burden edit.
Only a more recent editing software is required (eg, higher than Premiere 6.5), so you can edit the stream.
Camera HV30 The HV20 has compared the difference that it has a different color and makes slightly better images, especially in dark lighting conditions. It has a 16:9 LCD.
Is it still on my abstract additions?
Antwort von Jan:
Camera HV30 The HV20 has compared the difference that it has a different color and makes slightly better images, especially in dark lighting conditions. It has a 16:9 LCD.
Is it still on my abstract additions? For your information - HV 20 was synonymous already have a 16 / 9 2.7 "LCD
And the new LCD? - Yes that I had previously written a contribution, you have it but strangely not previously know you want to teach me now here with my expertise - which you did not knew, or in one of my articles (I was one of the first to Slashcam the exact data HV 30 knew - and this is already weeks ago)
- Lowlightbilder - simple assertion without the camera in hand to have had? Test pictures of you please!
If the camera video to DV tape or SD card, or both?
This shows your amateur skills, times I say that about at least 80% of the users here know the HDV material only! synonymous a MiniDV tape is stored - photos on MiniSD Card
Have just nachgeschaut. Since HDV is not dissolved in 720x576 (I hope that this statement is correct), a plugin should be required
- Any questions for the question? HDV 2 Canon HV 30 = 1440x1080i!
This is the advantage to the Canon HV30 to purchase. The camera provides HD recording in the HDV format (not AVCHD !!!), that is similar with the normal AVI Premiere can edit.
The DV format (DV AVI) can be much easier to edit (as HDV), because it is only 5:1 compression, but still pure single record, so it will not complement with images worked, HDV is MPEG-2 compressed harder, HDV 2 works with GOP structure of 12
AVCHD can be worse than HDV editing - there are times we feel a
So can AVCHD H.264 data rate with half a comparable Picture regenerieen as a DVD compliant MPEG 2, zb WoWu (Wolfgang Wunderlich) his contributions to AVC you should take a look at the links to synonymous to understand, not talk "is harder and thus less compressed ...."
Should I continue?
Before I want to teach someone (as in your last post), should I have in me familiar with the matter, and not with other depreciate ....
Is really not my type, but it had to be now.
VG
Jan
Antwort von ewok2003:
Thou hast but strangely not previously know you want to teach me now here with my skills ... I find it somewhat unfortunate that the mood in some thread is suddenly dimmer.
I have already written above that I am currently informed and have no expertise. 2 weeks ago I was not even the difference between Full HD and HD ready clear. As I learn about this but synonymous (synonymous yes you do), I have in my Summary synonymous of the information you up. What is bad? Man, man, man!
Before I want to teach someone (as in your last post), should I have in me familiar with the matter, and not with other depreciate .... Maybe you should have a copyright in your contributions introduce. I have to start writing my thread that I will summarize information.
Please listen with this Full HD on dung. Another sign of your aggression!
:-(
New members have no pedestal here to write something. I now really no longer synonymous!
Antwort von Jan:
If it does not mean it was ok sorry.
I'm not alone in Slashcam, some users know personally that your contribution is exactly the same way as I have understood - a small "tip" against my direction ...
VG
Jan
Antwort von ewok2003:
Against you personally, I have nothing, it was just a pity that it is immediately criticized.
I have looked in the past few weeks trying to help with the Forum and some visits to Media Markt, Saturn, reading books of knowledge, what camera I want growth.
I have crafted with S-VHS or MiniDV (ua. Canon XM2) has long worked semi-professionally. Since I professionally but in a different direction'm gone, but like private recordings do next (eg, weddings) and these recordings with music or effects (slow motion) and nachvertone Verton, I want my camera to purchase.
It is important to me that the camera is not too great, recordings of the newer HD already do and I can easily cut. It is important to me reasonable Image Stabilization, s.liebsten recording on memory cards, as good Lens, 3CCD and perhaps less opportunity for exposure incorporated.
Not everything can be mentioned the Canon HV30, but it comes very close. While recording on Mini DV 3CCD and no, but since I already familiar with the XM2 was, will I get the camera in the next few days, probably in the T-Online Shop.
And then times itself to gain experience, if I have new PC's hardware needs ...
EDIT: My order is now made.
Antwort von bpn Pflitsch:
Hello,
am amazed how many words in the individual contributions are made and the key will be ignored.
Think about again according to experiences with the 1000E-Vx SonyDCR the HV 30 to buy. Unfortunately, I can not have any significant benefits. There are test results of the HV20 interesting:
"Through additional investments can not be the focus handling when undurchdachte and crippled the setting iron out options. That hurts, because it's for the Canon is certainly a little would have been on these details to ensure or
"During our drive noises not particularly disturbed because there may be an external Microfinance can use and the somewhat loveless processing synonymous with this price just go through, or
"It is us in this model, once again the red-weakness noticed in many of Canon Einchipper have to suffer. This occasionally leads to some points in the red Picture significantly fray.
Are there any changes to the HD30?
You've ordered them, so you're very confident.
I would be interested in your reflections ever. In the HD 20 as a well tested, you at least knew what to acquire.
Liebe Grüße
Antwort von ewok2003:
Hello,
my main criteria for the choice of the camcorder were:
- Good picture quality, HD s.besten
This is in
Excellent sharpness test
coupled with a fabulous color show in daylight of the competition the state of the art. Lowlight The area is still 50i Camera satisfactory, taking at 1/25s exposure time is already a good low-light performance can attest. (Source: Forum on the HV20) - The camera should use HDV, not AVCHD.
Finally, I want my pictures with a normal calculator can edit.
- External Mikrooneingang - HDMI output - so I look at the pictures in 1A quality directly with a cable with the TV can connect
- Device mark - with Canon, I have by my previous Camera XM2 have good experiences
- Camera can not be too big, so I do synonymous for private use may well leave
- DV input and output, analog material so that I can bring to DV
I would prefer to have 3CCD, but Canon has some comments in Picture so well. Also I would like recording to memory card, but when the HDV is not possible / usual.
Hope my criteria can help you.
As described above, I have the Camera meanwhile ordered.
PS: The closer choice was synonymous of the Panasonic 3CCD camcorder, but it was here in many posts about not so good picture quality and not good low-light-reported behavior, so I refrained.
I hope that the images in the Canon HV30 almost like a 3CCD are.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... DV input and output, analog material so that I can bring to DV ... Only a small note: The DV input and output is used for dubbing of digital video material on the calculator and back into the camera. For the digitization of analog video camcorder on the other hand, requires an AV input.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von exit:maria:
I hope that the images in the Canon HV30 almost like a 3CCD are. That they are not quite sure.
Antwort von sas_hh:
better than sd nem 3CCD camcorder, they are in any case, thanks to the cmos.
But when 3CCD cmos hd fanen yes synonymous only at 3000 Euro s.oder
Antwort von Jan:
@ Ewok2003
You will be with the HV 30 beautiful images. I do not know how often you have the automatic in your DM XM 2 left them, because you will need to change. I own times ca 1 / 2 year with Henkelmann XM 2 DM filmed, and my little problems with the HV 20 is described:
HV20-ambiguities camera look-vs-quality HV 30 - because I have forgotten what the Zoomwippe of 20 HV was ne disaster - synonymous if I could set different speeds. The HV 30 has a larger Zoomwippe - but unfortunately not as nice as the HDD AVCHD Canon HG 10 and certainly not as nice as the Zoomwippe DM 2nd XM
I did as a whole a good Canon attitude, but their business conduct in terms of warranty (1 year ago - when I think about right - the only consumer video company - (Still Image Canon, Samsung, HP and Kodak) and their repair grace (in the company in 2 cases last few weeks - where after 13 months was rejected, although clearly not a self-fault existed) will not fit on her good name.
Well, I see the camera in early March probably the first time live at the Canon Roadshow, except I am now "unloaded "....
But again - Sorry!
VG
Jan
Antwort von sas_hh:
Incidentally, the hv30 an analog input
Antwort von naside-88:
... HV20 synonymous.
Antwort von MTAR21:
So I do not take it amiss, but I still have not found these providers Camera in stock. Then there is synonymous halt the question applies to imported goods and merchandise in order for the German market.
Synonymous still have not a single reasonable test read. Everything that was posted here are "reports" on the camcorder, but None is really testing or the picture is even more important tonte set. That would be for me personally the only synonymous but prefer purchasing to buy the HV30. Color and some visual changes are in my opinion not as a sales argument.
The sound of the HV20 is not just the yellow from the egg - if Canon would have solved this problem with the new HV30 could be described as a prospective buyer access, because the HV20 is definitely needed so if an external Micro is filmed indoors.
Grüßle
Antwort von tobesdop:
Incidentally, the hv30 an analog input but unfortunately no remote control - for example, or remotely Lanc ...
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
So I do not take it amiss, but I still have not found these providers Camera in stock. Then there is synonymous halt the question applies to imported goods and merchandise in order for the German market. "Available" and then takes ... sounds very familiar, see
here. As someone already waiting weeks for a Camera, which is available everywhere.
Other alternative, because you're right, are gray ... For warranty and Canon Germany laughs then from the customer. The dealer is now bankrupt and thus a nice stack of money down the drain.
BG, Andreas
Antwort von dash snow:
The camcorder will be delivered in mid-March of Canon Europe.
It is vital that EU warranty card, a printed manual and not copied. Non-EU goods to the sales launch is usually not yet available. The damage by unregistered camcorder goes into the million at the disposal. Have fun with the marketing of e-waste.
Antwort von dash snow:
Now available!
Edit from Mod: Spam / Link.
Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:
Can someone this shit remove spam, please ...
Antwort von Jan:
Canon delivers the first models in early tomorrow and the next week - depending on the dealer popularity ....
VG
Jan
Antwort von chris67:
and who can deliver?
Antwort von Jan:
The Canon decide - how much the dealer gets first product - the information. The basic demand is quite good.
Some Internet dealer but eh through other channels, such as distributors in Holland. Because they are no longer of Canon supplies may be directly (aggressive pricing), or because they partially elsewhere for better prices get gray.
VG
Jan
Antwort von chris67:
The EU goods can no longer be distinguished and the warranty card is missing the serial number now synonymous. Grauware always comes with a copied manual. The EU wants that in this tough market competition and he comes to good customers. The falling prices and falling.
A disappointed Dealers.
Antwort von Jan:
Since I have the same look when my HV 30 eintrudelt.
Well, actually I expected as a business seller can not write because you Slashcam for Internet merchants heavily in the playing cards - the advisory role halt.
So far Canon has always been quite hard - in these cases, guaranteed.
Two of my clients had the synonymous hit. Gray purchased on the Internet, and Canon has rejected the warranty repair - series number comparison!
The Internet merchant customers had repeatedly vertröstet (he probably already knew what kind of merchandise he has), he had the clever Canon cameras and everything is ok. Only had the camera 2x customers send back because she still was broken, one can imagine that the camera never has been sent to Canon. Now, the Canon on my Servide away - and see - the rejection of the warranty.
Actually was the last time to hear that the famous Still Image & Video Company even harder with gray will address.
VG
Jan
Antwort von chris67:
So now I stand on the following position:
because the HV20 is not technically great distinction of the HV20, I will probably the HV20 at the lower price growth (in the hope that the Lowlight area and the recording at the HV30 has not improved). Reasons for the time to speak HV20:
- No moving technical differences at higher price
- Little accessories for both (HV20 is about 100 - to 200, - cheaper - Ersprarnis for accessories)
accessories would include:
- Firewire cable + card
- Replacement Battery
- Ext. Ladeteil
- Protection for the camera lens
- Video tape (but not so expensive)
These parts are from other manufacturers often included.
other accessories:
- Ext. Micro
- Wide
- Whether the filter
These are considerations that are both still be with account.
Gruss Chris
Antwort von chris67:
... Oops
small spelling mistake:
..... because the HV20 is not technically great of the HV20
-> Should be really hot s.Schluss HV30.
.... sorry
Antwort von Jan:
Today came.
No time to play. But the black surface aufgerauhte makes a valent impression than the extreme plastic slip the 20th AGM
VG
Jan
Antwort von sas_hh:
and you can test it already jan?
Antwort von Jan:
A professional tester, I was never to have too little time and the right materials (laboratory).
My first short impression I've stated here:
HV20-30-vs-jvc-gz-HD7 I did not stop synonymous HV 20 on hand to face, which I HV 20 provides almost 2 months is no longer seen.
Yes has deteriorated in my opinion, nothing more easy to improve, but whether the ca ¬ 150 value - must each decide for themselves.
VG
Jan
Antwort von sas_hh:
I myself think I decided on the HV30.
If there is question about the ne-accessories
Wanted to take the MD50,
Batteries and what do I get for the Camera? (not of Canon).
Is there a lens hood?
And it would work a Fisheye (37mm thread) with nem-Down Converter s.die Camera to screw?
Thank you in advance
