Frage von Schorschi:
Hi,
I stand before my first Camcorder Buying and got myself a while now in the whole matter rather read, of course, synonymous here in this forum. I got the individual models considered synonymous already in the store and something to messing around. Meanwhile, I for myself have come to the conclusion that there is probably a model that should be somewhere around 450, - EUR, since I, the two models for this price
(1) Canon MVX 300
(2) SonyDCR HC 39
had in his hand.
According to the magazine Videoaktiv the Canon was synonymous in their price range, the "best" last year's model, as an alternative, however, there was the Sony. For the Canon zoom stood as the pros, when Sonyder stability. This will supposedly provide a better picture of the Canon.
Can you help me with these two models with your experience? Is that with the picture quality really so? What do you think of the newer alternative SonyHC 35, of the image quality is worse than the 39?
Oh, with what is important: I want to start with the camcorder only 16:9. Not quite as savvy 16:9 where the differences between the two Sony models are. Something does seem to be different, because all the values on the Sony-Page at the "35 lists" always contained in the "39" is not. (One difference is of course the 16:9 display of "39").
DV-IN is not important to me in the other.
Ah yes, as a real bargain, I was synonymous offered the Panasonic NV-GS 35, it was considerably cheaper than the other two. What should we make of it?
Many questions, I know, but maybe you can help me so anyway? :-)
Best regards,
Schorschi
Antwort von Poldi:
Hello,
So I can only tell you that you are with the SonyHC39'll make a mistake. I have the HC42, which is the same as the HC39 only with more ports.
The picture stability is awesome, the Cam is a lot better photos than the Canon (higher resolution) is much easier to handle and has better LowLight properties.
The Panasonic GS35 is scrap, not recommended.
Ifs to be really ne Canon in this Preisklassse I would take the new 400 series coming out now.
Antwort von Acer:
Can we expect of the new series really more than 400 of the 300? Look at the Prices, nausea differences.
In my opinion (and parts of it are true) will Canon ranked NUMMERO 2 coming (after Sony), a decrease in "camcorder" and wants synonymous with the production of the best in both countries. As regards the production, Canon has achieved his 2nd place-goal, but: If everything was synonymous high-quality manufacturing and quality care?
One can argue about it. Try the 450/460 better erstmal from the store, photos can be deceiving.
With the models of Sony (DCR HC 17 - DCR HC42) or Panasonic
(NV GS75 - NV GS500) are you better off than with the 300 series. However, the 40s (MVX40 and MVX45i) stands with the Sonys and Panasonics on a Height. Canon's equivalent quality models Sonyoder Panasonic costs on average more than the other two.
When it comes to the price, the Panasonic is better.
Ok, post additional questions, =,
LG
Acer
Antwort von Acer:
Here are the price of
Sony are
Canon
Panasonic LG
Acer
Antwort von Poldi:
In my opinion (and parts of it are true) will Canon ranked NUMMERO 2 coming (after Sony), a decrease in "camcorder" and wants synonymous with the production of the best in both countries. As regards the production, Canon has achieved his 2nd place-goal, but: If everything was synonymous high-quality manufacturing and quality care? This is synonymous struck me, however, seems to me the old 800s and 300s series of high-quality Canon somewhat synonymous in the 900s and 400s as new.
So I've Sonygeraten synonymous, since the processing is top.
Antwort von Acer:
This tip, I you he'd given a few days Poldi. CamPhilipp would you really be a term.
Well, the housing of the MV900 and MVX400 looks like cheap plastic, Panasonic NV-GS180-500 series (new) and NV-GS70-250 (old) to see other hand, high-quality manufacturing.
Even so, touch to the store and usually helps more.
LG
Acer
Antwort von Schorschi:
Hi, thank you erstmal. Ok, then I still have ne question about 16:9. As I said, I really wants to film exclusively in this format.
The HC 39 has indeed 16:9 according to Sony "real". Is this anamorphic? Can I use the 16:9 material of HC 39 (HC or 42, are indeed identical to the inputs () with the included editing software what is that anyway? Editing good), or do I need during processing as ever with "eggheads" And wrangle see the correct final result after only s.TV?
That with the "eggheads" is unfortunately so that is when I previously Stillimage DVDs in 16:9 with "MAGIX Photos ...".
Greeting
Schorschi
Antwort von Acer:
It has real 16 / 9, not distortion, but natively.
Lg,
Acer
Antwort von filmerobin:
Hi,
1. say, is it so that Sony is the undisputed number one in image quality? or panasonic or canon equivalent? (maybe one of these: http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Reviews/Panasonic-GS120-versus- Canon MVX250i.html)
2. Also I would like to know if it's true that you can use a sony only sonymicrofone?
3. how is the list of other accessories for hc 42?
4. what can hc 94 more than yours?
5. to which camera would you advise me if they can lowlight good to be colorfast and should be reasonably smoothly?
6. what have laica lenses for benefits?
7. An optical zoom is recommended?
8. is an optical image stabilizer really so much better than digital?
many thanks dear for a response (s)
movies robin
Hello,
So I can only tell you that you are with the SonyHC39'll make a mistake. I have the HC42, which is the same as the HC39 only with more ports.
The picture stability is awesome, the Cam is a lot better photos than the Canon (higher resolution) is much easier to handle and has better LowLight properties.
The Panasonic GS35 is scrap, not recommended.
Ifs to be really ne Canon in this Preisklassse I would take the new 400 series coming out now.
Antwort von Acer:
Hi film robin
to your questions:
1. No, 3 Chipper Panasonic NV-GS75-500 beat Sony's models of 17-96 in image quality, no question.
2. Yes, for the Inter-accessory shoes for the HC42, unfortunately, already. You can look in the product description, there it is.
3. accessories for
SonyDCR-HC42 4th
Product Comparison
5.Ich you would for the Panasonic NV-GS75 (very good amateur cam, better than the Sony's, in any case !!!), or the semi-professional NV-GS280-500 rates.
6. Brands Lenses There are, of companies that specialize in Optics and not such as Canon or Panasonic Lens lens flare, which not nearly able to offer a similar lens.
7.AUf any case, 100,000 more than a digital zoom. I think you know how a digital zoom? Optical zooms are times when professional shots (eighth exactly on it! NOT) are used very frequently, to a maximum of 10x. 10 and over is fine and good, but not a purchase criterion. I) Eight more likely to buy on the chip and the lens, the more important just gibts (resolutions.
8. YES, OIS "stutter" as SIS, except perhaps Sony's image stabilizers. Unfortunately, sacrificing the SIS 'their precious points for the image stabilizer, eighth therefore always on the net pixel value your cam instead of the gross value. OIS has the advantage that they) do all optical (through a small calculator, which means that no pixels of the stabilizer. Ofer to fall and the difference between net and gross value is very small.
Ok, hope you is a bissl 'helped
LG and Cu,
Acer
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Antwort von filmerobin:
Dear Acer,
many love you for your prompt response.
However, I would like to nachhaken times:
Do you advise me on the one hand, Chipper 3 Panasonic NV-GS75-500 and the other saying that a brand-lens is better.
Are there any of your knowledge, a Panasonic with Leica lens? Which Manufacturers are working with brands for lenses? From what the price range to start? - A salesman had told me, in any case for the Canon, as the market leader in the field were mitlerweile in terms of image quality. This is true not so much, right?
The NV-GS75-500 does not have OIS, right? Which camera would you recommend for me with OIS?
Say: Is there a camera with Makenobjektiv, OIS, and that at an affordable price? Or is it rather wishful thinking.
Thanks in advance
Movies Robin aka Robin (as yet unannounced, however);)
Antwort von Schorschi:
Hi,
I just wanted to get involved again synonymous. I do not know whether the 3CCDs of Panasonic are really superior in every case, the Sonys. I think that only applies to the models above the 75th
Especially in lowlight is to make the 75 not a happy figure, at least not according to this test: http://www.chip.de/artikel/c1_artikel_16356466.html
Greeting
Schorschi
Antwort von filmerobin:
Aha!
And what do you say to ask my then asked ... OIS, Markenobjektiv ...?
And thanks to LG
Movies Robin
Antwort von Acer:
Hi film robin
OIS lens and marks? So you think that you get the money for affordable?
To your question: actually a Panasonic builds in the models NV-GS120, 140, 150, 200, 250, 400, 280, 300 and 500 LEICA-DICO MAR Lenses. OIS is incorporated into the models 250, 280, 400, 300 and 500, a much less choice between ¬ 1,499 and say and write 699 ¬. The NV-GS75 convinced but synonymous with their SIS, who is indeed digital, but still, oh.
If you are "affordable" say you do control the approximately 600-700 ¬, right?
The NV-GS280 convinced by their synonymous January OIS and the good quality in picture and Lens. NV-GS280 = 699 ¬, with the trend decreasing to around 649 ¬ in online media, unfortunately, just sold out, but ordered.
I myself would like to buy myself a Panasonic, either NV-GS140 (549 ¬), 150 (ca.560 ¬) or 280 (699 ¬).
OK, consider it good for you as an amateur filmmakers (like me) are the 140, 150 provides better suited than the NV-GS280, it is already, in the direction of semi-professionalism, but still in the "affordable" consumer sector,
na dann, LG and Cu,
Acer
Antwort von filmerobin:
Oke, understood.
The NV-GS-140 and NV-GS-150 I had already irritated synonymous, but they've no memory card mitdabei (which has the 120s, but) for any SIS. What then is the big difference between the 140 and 150s?
How's your knowledge, the lowlight of the Recording Panas? Is there not perhaps the Canon better?
Do not stop asking.
Movies Robin
Antwort von Andreas M.:
1. No, 3 Chipper Panasonic NV-GS75-500 beat Sony's models of 17-96 in image quality, no question. So I think that is not true. The Panasonic GS75 advertises only with their 3 chips, nothing more. Some or many flights on it, but in the tests, it is still below the SonyHC42 (and has) only one chip. Lowlight properties miserable, and of the haptic synonymous something cheap.
If you are really a good 3 chip cam you want to have to take even deeper into their pockets.
As I said advertises Panasonic with the 3 chips, but the Cam is cheaper than the SonyHC42, you will notice something? It must come from somewhere, yes.
Kuckt people not only to the data, a very good 1 Chipper (eg SonyHC42 or Canon MVX330i) is often better, as so ne cheap 3 chip Cam (GS75).
Antwort von Acer:
@ Andreas
Unfortunately this is not true, dear Andreas. The NV-GS75 is at all serious test (eg Stiftung Warentest) ALWAYS on the SonyDCR-HC42. And Panasonic does not advertise with the 3CCDs, but use them synonymous white. Sonywirbt with shit, look at the DCR-PC1000 with 3 chips
on. She has only one satisfying the Panasonics have a well with no tendency to very good, so Sonywirbt ONLY 3CCDs with Panasonic. Doe image quality of the 3Chippern the NV-GS150-500 series is more detailed, sharper contrast and detail, color fidelity and more satisfying than Sony's low cost model PC1000 for almost 900 ¬. Cheaper is not equal bad and expensive is not equal better.
For me, Canon and Panasonic are better than majoritarian Möchtegernliebling SONY.
@ robin movies
Yes, unfortunately, Canon is in the case somewhat, but only marginally stronger in the area LowLight than Panasonic, but may be of Consumer Cams trotzallem not expected daylight quality. It is worth taking rather have a video light to Draufstecken. Even professionals use instead of (when) built-in video light external.
LG and Cu,
Acer
PS: Do not let unsure of the Sony lovers. The DCR-series is certainly well suited for amateurs, but quality (and therefore) is at stake in Panasonic camcorders is, despite all the criticism in my s.ERSTER, followed of Canon.
Antwort von Andreas_M.:
but qualitatively (and that is what camcorders) is Panasonic, despite all the criticism in my s.ERSTER, followed of Canon. Yes you have a comment,
therefore synonymous Sonydie Most camcorders sold around the world. The people all know what is not good, but luckily you look through ....
Now Sonybaut mal super cams, the Panasonic have not even had proper 16:9 (see GS75), unacceptable in this price range. Since Canon and Sony's next great deal.
Antwort von Acer:
Yes, but that has changed s.der 180 already. Panasonic is indeed a "late-ignition", anyway, Canon and Panasonic are still my Favos.
What I simply s.Sonystört is that all Sonyhaben want, but not Sonyheißt right away that everything it produces is brand-Pur.
So I am not so dear to the brand that everyone. Now you understand my reasons?
In addition, we have s.den Consumer Cams Sonynicht of so many Expirementiermöglichkeiten.
Okay
Acer
Antwort von filmerobin:
Again, a question
which Canon would you me. Recommend
Which Panasonic Cam wins against them? I am so excited s.der Pana that it has a Leica-Objetiv. Which Canon offers synonymous? Anyone knows? As seen from the color here, I think mitlerweile that the Panasonic NV-S and he GS150EG Canon MVX 300 is nothing to give or take. As I said, good lowlight properties would be great. Leica Lens to me but perhaps more important.
I'm actually against the Sony, since they only Sony Microphones accepted and I have a super Sennheiser microphone. Also, I'm a little scared in front of a touch screen -> sensible and reperaturanfällig.
So, who does not ask, nothing gained ... ;)
Thank you for constructive answers says
Movies Robin
Antwort von Acer:
Hello films Robin
if it is to be truly ne Canon, I recommend the
Canon MVX45i MVX40 Perhaps the new MVX450/460 are still good, which I doubt, the 900 series is just what Amateur / Beginners. Perhaps even the MVX300-350i, but no consumer Cheap cam.
I always tend still to Panasonic NV-GS280, NV-GS150,
Well,
LG
Acer
Antwort von filmerobin:
Dear Acer,
now I'm sort of the GS-140, I could them new for 425 and come with a guarantee.
Would you then strike synonymous or are there would still be one of the Canon? For example, the MVX40?
LG
Movies Robin
Antwort von Acer:
Hi filme robin
Personally, I would suggest there is now more likely to Panasonic ". Canon's quality is no doubt, but look at the 9xx and 4xx series, it's that's no quality = PLASTIC pure. (ok, one should not always after the judge's appearance)
The Panasonic NV-GS140 is of course a super choice, above all, it is the NV-GS150 fails, except that it has a connection less, and the Preisun difference (150 ¬) does not pay, or else = good choice, the 140th
LG
Acer
Ah yes, the MVX40/45i are too expensive, as would be the minimal difference in quality at all worthwhile
