Frage von artskuz:
Hello,
'm new here and looking for a new Digiccam
I got my digicam of Canon's G2, unfortunately, lost on a ski vacation.
Well that has always been super nice pictures schluchz ...
And now I am looking for a (er) worthy successor (in).
How could you hear the title already, comes the above-mentioned camera already in the very narrow choice.
I stay in each case with Canon. I'm very satisfied with the products and the requisite quality.
Against such a purchase, however, I try to find out as much as possible about the product, to avoid possible bad buy, if he can avoid it.
The extreme price for the camera is not so bad. Of 1299th - to now "only" 690th - mitlerweile what constitutes a critical buying criterion.
Unfortunately I can not make the network has written to German Tests of ausfinidg private users! Normally you can encounter when guenstiger.de, evendi.de or amazon to such experiences.
In this model, however, is doing nothing for weeks except that the price falls and falls ...
Now I have in the current "digital videoaktiv" of this forum read here and try my luck this time.
Maybe cavort some owners make this camcorder the synonymous 4MP photos can be downloaded in the forum and what can be positive? to say!
I thank you in advance for any time assistance
And many greetings from belgium
artskuz
Antwort von ludwig.s:
The G2 was a camera that MVX4i is a video camera. The results of Stillimage s.The MVX4i not come up a good 4-MP camera, the Canon G2 and had been there with s.der tip.
If you want to make vsgute photos, you need (in addition to video camera) of my camera.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
In a recent issue of VideoAktivDigital was an accurate test of the MVX 4i. Just as VAD, I find it the No. 1 right now as the best all-rounder Stillimage / is video.
A G-2, 2001 was the Non Pros Ultra in non-SLR digicam-Stillimage area.
Too, eg by their 1 / 8 "CCD, it has no problems going through as the winner. But there are points on the pros synonymous MVX 4i Page.
Meanwhile, almost every digicam has built an RGB filter, in Videocam's only the expensive consumer (including MVX 4i). The G 2 but has not yet, only the successor of G 3 With this filter, the colors are applied directly and not as solid erechnet with the help of the Bayer filter.
3 CCD Chipper colors are so similar - brighter, sharper, etc, and not so faded and low contrast as some simple 1 CCD.
Why use the MVX 4i of stability (This is a benefit) in the photo would be eliminated function, probably knows only Canon!
The best way you test the MVX 4i, but slight loss of picture you have to accept.
LG
January
Antwort von ludwig.s:
Meanwhile, almost every digicam has built an RGB filter, in Videocam's only the expensive consumer (including MVX 4i). The G 2 but has not yet, only the successor of G 3 With this filter, the colors are applied directly and not as solid erechnet with the help of the Bayer filter. All today's Digicams (with the exception of with Foveon chip) to interpolate the colors, the vast majority using the Bayer Verfahren.Da nothing has changed. This is true for G2, G3, etc. as well as for top-DSLR models.
Why use the MVX 4i of stability (This is a benefit) in the photo would be eliminated function, probably knows only Canon! No, this is common knowledge: The MVX4i has an electronic stabilizer, the areas around the actual picture takes around a room for stabilization. In photo mode, it uses the full chip.
But console yourself: My MVX3i does have an optical stabilizer, but in the photo mode the effect is of little benefit, is probably the case that a video stabilizer must be otherwise designed as a Stillimage stabilizer.
Antwort von artskuz:
Danke schon mal Jan and hospitality
I'll look at the camera more times.
How do things with the Photoauslöse of speed?
My G2, there was relatively sluggish.
To the film quality, I'm not so worried, which is amateur even be enough for me I hope.
Ok
gibts Maybe even a review soon. Otherwise, I add here a purely if I should buy this camera. For the price I'd say "almost" a "bargain"
Greeting
Antwort von Jan:
@ Guest which means you think models are fitted with an RGB filter still get a Bayer filter, Why?
To calculate with the Bayer filter, the colors' in RotGrünBlau sluices and then again through a filter RotGrünBlau - Why then has the Canon MVX 4i, 45i or SonyHC 90 / 94 / 96 such?
That the G 1 / 2 has no RGB filter and have the new models come with a G is correct.
That comes through the multi-stage filter it to RGB conversion without any loss of quality in terms of color fidelity / Farbqualtität is undisputed.
It is known in the forum, the appearance of MVX 4i, which the MVX 4i off the stabilizer when the photoelectric function, I consider it a rumor that a large proportion had not known that was safe or not safe.
There are still some models, the switch on the digital stabilizer with high photo resolution, which is most just do not know. Like a number of digicam's synonymous eg Sony / Nikon (the no picture stabilization), but when using a digital video function, although this is not always logical, because Resolutionverschenkt will have.
With logical Pixelrechnen one comes next is not always to detect whether a digital stabilizer is s.Bord. Some models obtained by Pixelbündlung, extrapolated shift procedure or Progessivaufnahmen a higher photo resolution. The MVX 4i is working with a progressive photo mode.
How else can have eg a Panasonic with 2.4 Total MegaPixels suddenly Net 3.2 Photo pixels?
The G2 was still quite slow, is evaluated as synonymous, as with most compact cameras, the AF measurement as the CCD, and the last. SLR Cameras
have a separate cell to shorten this to the Scharfstellvorgang.
LG
January
Antwort von Larez:
@ Jan
Bayer sensors have always RGB filter (per 1 / 4 pixel) blue and red pixels and half the green filter. It is synonymous different filter pattern (eg in the SonyF828), but the principle is the same color interpolation:
http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/key=color 20filter%% 20array Without color only Foveon sensors are in the photo area and from 3-chip configurations in the video field. There is then for each pixel, 3 true color information. The result is, for example, the 3.5-MP sensor on a Sigma SD10 about the image quality, a 5-MP camera with Bayer filter. (Sigma, however, is so bold to apply the camera as a 10.5 MP "too.)
In megapixel camcorders we now have the effect that because of the high chip Resolutiondie color resolution in video mode s.The close to a 3-chip camcorder cometh, for in fact stand for the formation of a PAL-pixel then at least 4 Bayer pixels. In Photo mode, Resolutionallerdings is fully utilized, ie, here one has the disadvantages of the color interpolation synonymous again.
Antwort von Jan:
Ok, I think it is so, dasdie cameras have almost all with a Bayer sensor, have a part in conjunction with an RGB connection with an older part with one Komplementärfilter.
So we have both right.
Look at Canon. En thee times the cameras to
- MVX 40 / 45i / 4i eg well-defined RGB filter, among others, according to Canon potter one Komplementärfilter
Canon MVX 45i Canon MVX 450 In Sonyist it like most have a Komplementärfilter, HC 90 / 94 / 96 eg an RGB.
I understand that but still not quite where the Bayer filter performs the color calculation, what do I need another RGB filter, calculated to reflect the colors?
Is set behind the Bayer Filter?
In cameras, the most an RGB filter that had the G 2 but have really no.
Canon G 2 without RGB filter Canon G 3 with RGB filter I think that it is possible to turn the playback.
A Komlementärfilter - probably behind the Bayer sensor - converts from Bayer Y (luminance) - Cb (blue-yellow balance) and Cr (red-green balance) in zb in 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 YCbCr to RGB signal, because the computer world in the RGB color space is located. Well quite complicated, there are also hardly synonymous Books.
The stability eg with power turned on 16 / 9 Video Recording with the Canon MVX 460, the Resolutionund the wide angle! improved over that I myself was surprised. Da gibts abundant differences between the companies.
LG
January
Antwort von Larez:
@ Jan
Now I understand what you mean. Nevertheless, I do not think that the G2 was more than a Bayer filter had synonymous if the keyword is missing "RGB" in the overview. Such surveys are not carried out very carefully.
According to this source, however, the G1 was still a primary color filter:
synonymous?
Antwort von prem:
PS: I certainly thought that the G1 still a complementary filter (had) plus Green: CYGM
Antwort von artskuz:
Thank you both
The details are amazing, but do not have too much to do with the contribution that this was the thread Behandel.
However, I must say that there is still no reviews of private users, this camera is on the Internet.
If I have the part, I am at guenstiger.de reinstellen times a review.
I got the camera out after a long time now, and her appointed.
The part is super compact and makes quite good photos is not too expensive and got slammed at 675th -.
Well vileicht is now, I guess somebody out there of the thing has been and wants to hire a report
Greeting
artskuz
Antwort von Jan:
Artskuz yes, your question is something we had lost sight of, sorry I hope you're happy - as one has to hear.
Well, it is rare that one with someone who can go deeper into the matter, so
We have something very stripped off, thanks to the unknown guest's.
LG
January
Antwort von artskuz:
Evenin,
So here now, my time Tesbericht
I'll try to be as lens as possible
Good image quality,
I have the camcorder now 3 weeks and tested extensively.
As for the sound, so you can adjust the microphone level and well hinzuschalten a windbreak, additionally, you can mute the mic yet.
If you want to add Atmosounds in high quality, should have recourse to the start of an external Microphones what s.dieser camera but only with the additional angle of Canon with adapter SA1 is possible because the camera a accessory shoe is missing, or as already described in another thread, screws directly under the camera or put in your pocket. Ohrmicrophone gibts da ja synonymous yet.
The adapter Sa1 certainly is good to use synonymous to ground-level shots to shoot with a camcorder, I've found so times. And on eBay for the under 15 - euro.
The Betriebsgeräuch the MVX4i however hear very well.
In a quiet environment you can hear the drive is quite loud.
In the fall picture in fine structures Vergrieselungen that I have, however, synonymous with other camcorders such as the HC to 90 of Sonyfeststellen. With this camera a lot more blatant than the wind noise produced MVX4i. The handling is absolutely sharp, there are many buttons available for functions such as exposure, aperture, focus, etc., can be adjusted directly, which is ruckzuck and makes fun.
Experimental joyful people like das
The menu is intuitive to use, it almost does not need a manual.
Especially not if, like me, already previously had a Canon G2 could call his own.
At current SonyCamcordern (A friendly features, the DCR HC 90), must be having trouble on the other hand through countless menus in touch screen display, which keeps and is annoying. And the best part is, the display is permanently tarnished with fingerprints.
The photo quality I find in order for snapshots. Had previously hold a Canon G2. Since this camera can not compete. But the photos are crisp all. In the dark, the picture starts rushing rather see at what a pity.
The camcorder is expected of the dimensions here, do not be even smaller. It fits into any small pocket. This is very convenient.
I'm still well and ran s.alle controller buttons and the handling, such as the zoom button is just as handy. With the zoom button is very sensitive, in a positive sense.
Is practically a must, even on an extra wide jedenfall AngleObjektiv.
For battery life I can only say so much. A second and third battery should be carried.
That there is indeed favorable for various vendors, if not exactly original battery needs to be.
The accessories is limited to a single remote control, a power supply (battery to load into the camera), a Battery BP 308, a USB cable, S video cable, scart adapter, a 16MB SD memory card (where the ridiculous is but then of Canon) , then I would rather supply a no, and even software on 2 CDs, one for Windows and one for Macs.
My Conclusion: a very good camera that is easy and fast and this makes it even synonymous beautiful pictures and video recordings.
after the falls synonymous true price / performance ratio
I recommend the next MVX4i
I hope to be able to help others a little
Artskuz
Antwort von Jan:
Nice that you review your vorenthälst us.
In the meantime we have learned synonymous have 1 CCD cameras, an RGB / Komplimentärfarbenfiler and the Bayer sensor for the color at - except SonyHC 3 - time, a loner with its 6:1:1. I think the RGB / Komplimentärfarbenfilter is there to play, so I do not exactly know yet, it would have to find out more.
LG
January
Antwort von beiti:
In the meantime we have learned synonymous have 1 CCD cameras, an RGB / Komplimentärfarbenfiler and the Bayer sensor for the color at - except SonyHC 3 - time, a loner with its 6:1:1. I think the RGB / Komplimentärfarbenfilter is there to play, so I do not exactly know yet, it would have to find out more. It's simple: Every (!) Sensor is primarily a black and white sensor, which detects only brightness. If one then the individual pixels with different color filters provides, it becomes a color sensor. Depending on the colors and arrangement of the filter (filter matrix), then we speak of primary color (RGB) or Komplementärfarbenfiltern (CMY) or of a mixture of both. The RGBG filter matrix (most common RGB matrix) is called Bayer matrix. Since each pixel because of the color matrix provides only a single color, the remaining colors from information of neighboring pixels are interpolated. This happens in the camera electronics.
Without filter matrix only 3-chip camcorder coming-out as they have for each primary color (R, G, B) a separate chip, the splitting of the image via a prism system. If they must, therefore, synonymous not be interpolated, but it has now RGB data for each pixel.
Antwort von Jan:
Sounds logical, then it must be a CMY + is synonymous Bayer matrix, eg because they have most of the Canon / Sony models but no RGB Komplementärfarbenfilter the issues raised - in many of Canon Product / Sonyentweder Komplementärfilter or RGB filter.
But somehow I do not trust the whole, with Canon's sounds to Play
Sonyschreibt received official (HDR HC 1 Supplement):
To achieve an exact color performancezu, the color filter splits the incoming light into the 3 primary colors red / green / blue.
Canon received official writes: (Canon Videotip's Book)
Most camcorders share the spectrum during the recording of the elements cyan / magenta / yellow / green and convert it for playback in the colors red / green / blue.
This multi-step transformation inevitably leads to a loss of quality with unnatural colors. The RGB filter sets the color directly to - the transformation is therefore less susceptible to degradation.
- That does not sound like light - RGB filter - Bayer Matrix - for Canon ...
Now we are once again strayed from the subject ...
LG
January
Antwort von beiti:
However, this is perfectly logical. Video is indeed an RGB format, in that the data of a filter matrix cmyg must be converted more than a RGBG filter matrix.
Antwort von Jan:
Ok - I show the white flag and admit defeat, the Canon text has confused me a bit, at Sonywar's immediately obvious.
So at 1 Chipper either
Light or Bayer CMY +
Bayer RGB + light
except SonyHC 3rd
LG
January
Antwort von beiti:
Light or Bayer CMY +
Bayer RGB + light "Bayer" is to my knowledge, only the RGBG matrix. Whether the other matrix types are synonymous names, I do not know.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer-Matrix
Antwort von Jan:
The Sony Interview of the HC 3, the developers have said that almost any Digital Video Camera 1 chip works with a Bayer matrix. The Canon / Sonysteht filter at either Komplemtärfilter (MV 9xx, 4xx, DC 100.10) or RGB filter (MVX 4i, MVX 45i, DC 20.40). Then it probably needs to give us the combination. Yes in almost every digicam's has for some time been an RGB filter, with video cameras has probably not yet been enforced.
I would not blindly vertauen Wikipedia, the magazines used to have some tests done in wiki - with satisfactory output, I read anyway s.and there to my knowledge, it's you never know whether a lay person who wrote the article.
LG
January
Antwort von Jan:
So now once again correctly placed, then run the 2 versions:
3 CCD
Light - Lens - Prism - 3 chips (red / green / blue) signal processor (at Panasonic Crystal Engine)
1 CCD
Lighting - Lens - Bayer filter - 1 chip - now either Komplementärfilter or RGB Bayer filter works to filter because Komplementärbasis, the signals must s.Schluss but the chain will be converted back to RGB signals, which is an RGB filter of advantage than the simple use Komplementärfilter - lost in the color information.
Are Pana documents, so I was not wrong with my assumption that s.Schluss the Komplementärfilter / RGB filter chain for Endumwandlung responsible.
Are also built into Consumercamcordern really 10-14 lenses in the SDR S 100 zb 14 elements in 8 groups, focusing either by moving or rotating the lens groups of lenses.
LG
January
