Frage von Hoshy:
Hi!
I'm home movie maker and am going to buy me a new semi-pro camera in order to achieve good image quality.
I used to have a JVC GR-DV400e and was happy with it, had no problems, what would stop more professional.
That's why I wanted to know whether it is profitable in general, to buy the Canon XM1. What is the pros and cons, the what?
To truly be happy if someone could advise me!
Thank you,
Hoshy!
Antwort von Markus:
Hello,
The Canon XM1 is already a successor, the XM2. Synonymous But this model has already been asked the question since Canon in the past has always brought out in certain intervals new camcorder, and now (actually, the XM3?) Would be due ... Link:
"Is the Canon XM3 already in sight?"
Antwort von Axel:
What speaks against the XM1 is the main thing is that the successor model uses only slightly more expensive. I would spend too much for DV, not more - Beginners or not, but otherwise there is nothing against this camera.
Antwort von alvaro:
Hello Hoshy!
I have the Canon XM1 with a friend as a second camera in the recording of a musical performance recorded. In darker passages were used to me of SonyVX2000 a huge drop in quality (pixelated, blurred) and compatibility issues when playing the tapes.
As aforementioned umstieg friend on the XM2, there were no visible differences.
So your thoughts on the Canon XM1.
mfG
Alvaro
Antwort von GhostDog:
Yes, the XL2 is well known to me and I would buy it immediately synonymous, but unfortunately it is currently too expensive to me. I could get close favorable s.The XM1 and just wanted to know what problems have you had it with the XM1 / or may occur in the future?
So, with this camcorder, you really have to know more than a standard camcorder, I've heard of so I would just like to know if this cam is worth buying in order to create short films and such.
What are risks and benefits?
Thank schonmal for the answers!
Antwort von Markus:
Disadvantages: The XM1 is outdated already 6 years old and the technical state heavy. The synonymous means that a used model may be due to the piss out soon in the workshop. Other disadvantages are the contributions of Alvaro (Low Light, compatibility problems of pre-recorded tapes) and Axel (small price difference for the XM2) mentioned.
What advantage could the conflict now?
Antwort von Hoshy:
Good, used, I would not buy the camera, but I have the chance to get it NEW favorable.
I am talking not about synonymous, always on the cutting Technikstand be there, but much more so that I have a reliable camera, the years and I still hold out faithful service proves to rotate in terms of movies.
How can I understand the point with the pre-recorded tapes? ie.: tapes recorded already with other cams, can be difficult to play with the XM1? synonymous or pre-recorded tapes of the XM1?
Antwort von Hoshy:
I would spend too much for DV, not more - Beginners or not, but otherwise there is nothing against this camera. Which system do you use when no DV?
What would you recommend?
Antwort von Axel:
@ Hoshy, recorded tapes.
Should not be so, but from their own Erfährungen - without a background to explain this phenomenon - I can only confirm that a mini-DV tape from a camera, which is again with another camera captured, are not reliable, compatible. For example, a tape from the VX2000, which was posted with the VX1000, made blocks, and a remarkable posterization (this graded course) in high contrast. These errors were NOT on the tape. Conversely, there were no problems.
Antwort von Axel:
Which system do you use when no DV?
What would you recommend? [/ Quote]
Hello Hoshy.
I am using synonymous DV, but at some point, if the budget allows, I'll grow me `ne` nen HD-Cam and larger Calculator. Someone here has the motto "The problem usually sits 50 cm in front of the calculator, and that's exactly right. Some amateurs do with 1chip DV Cams fresh, direct movies that do not want to be more than they are and despite the awkwardness of one or another to the point. But of course, envy is burning in the bowels, when I see how much more s.Resolutiondas brings new format. To (all in all this enormous expenditure of at least ¬ 6000) justify it to myself, I will realize just a few things to DV, which are conceptually designed for this size (this is the quality standard of the DVD). I have achieved much more to choose with what I had in mind, and I mean non-technical aspects that should be pursued stubbornly to the motto "only choice". Here I am talking to film language, dramaturgy, if it may be more than a technically perfect music clip cut mechanically to yawn to music (!). A beginner I would therefore synonymous with a DV 3chip technique suggest, someone like yourself envision robust use of camera, and since you already are - at least with the XM2 - s.der correct house number. But bear in mind that a camera like the much-talked SonyHdR-FX1 with 3000 ¬ slams book. It would be a bit silly, for a new XM2 - what I know - to pay 2000 ¬. In my opinion, it still takes a year to 50% of all posts here revolve around HD, but still four years until Otto N. the purchase of an HDTV television considered. Who can say what up to then technically and preismäßig doing in this market?
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Antwort von Hoshy:
Yes, because I vote you, Axel!
So, HD is, of course dufte ne thing, but you need to stop the charcoal and the time so that this financial burden synonymous ultimately worthwhile.
I think I'm with the XM1 if served very well, because I know someone who 70Minüter and has produced more with this camera, so of ...
The problem now is only this: How much does the new XM1? 2000? weis ich nich more on jedenfall expensive, and I could get this camera for just under 600 euros.
That strikes me as dangerous to this offer, I do not know the manufacturer and that is not know whether I can give this offer trust, mainly because sales of those 3 other XM1 for the same amount.
The XM2 even for just under 900 euros ...
What do you think? Should I go after this offer? Price unbeatable.
Hoshy!
Antwort von GhostDog:
The problem now is only this: How much does the new XM1? 2000? weis ich nich more on jedenfall expensive, and I could get this camera for just under 600 euros.
That strikes me as dangerous to this offer, I do not know the manufacturer and that is not know whether I can give this offer trust, mainly because sales of those 3 other XM1 for the same amount.
The XM2 even for just under 900 euros ...
The XM1 there are no new, unless it had slipped from the truck in 1998 OVP, rustling in a thicket, and at the present time of your provider during a highway tour in search of carrion was discovered by accident. For 900 ¬, the XM2 could of course be a super bargain, but if it is supposedly new, I can imagine a kosher source, the warranty excludes imagine. A second spin of the test is on site as MUST. Also please do not tap into the NTSC case.
Antwort von Hoshy:
Yes, that's it!
Were given no information, not even whether PAL or NTSC, let alone guarantee or other.
That is why I have my doubts.
I have with me the seller put and let you know what he means, as soon as I get an answer (if I ever get one).
Postet next ...
Antwort von Hoshy:
Here is the successor to my old JVC GR-DV400e:
Antwort von Markus:
What does the new XM1? 2000? weis ich nich more on jedenfall expensive, and I could get this camera for just under 600 euros. Since you obviously do not personally know the dealer, I initially suspected that you're on eBay found it. Only available in eBay Germany currently no XM1 for the price listed for sale. Another assumption was that a dealer wants to divest for many years (or three? Has lying around) XM1, and the shop keepers to mitigate losses. - You betray us who is your (online?) Dealer is? I will not buy the camcorder synonymous! ;-)
* edit *
About the strengths and weaknesses of the JVC camcorder, there are some tests. Often can download the complete articles of the respective journals for a small fee:
Tests zum JVC GR-DV500E,
A review JVC GR-DV500E (but is only 1 rating has been submitted)
Antwort von Hoshy:
Looks at Germany's Amazon.
But let me just one left ;-)
Antwort von Markus:
That's now overlap ... I added my last post a little.
Antwort von Hoshy:
mhhh ...
So in the review, it is certainly exaggerated. The 400e had not had those errors and I doubt that JVC throws as the successor model of a worse product on the market.
Of course, such a camcorder can not compete with semi-professional equipment, but that's obvious.
Antwort von Hoshy:
So, just got reply from the seller.
He is from Romania and says that its cameras are brand new in OVP from the deposit of Amazon, he has to say things at some time bought at Amazon? I do not know.
He has written to me in the mail, I've already counted with sowas.
Would you trust what would you do??
Regards,
Hoshy!
Antwort von Markus:
Hello,
This is not an easy decision. Your dealer enters under the nickname "electronic_shopp" on? - He has not yet received a rating of customers, which would at least have a starting point. Check out views in this regard "The Amazon.de A-to-z Guarantee:
"We wish that you enjoy shopping in our zShops, Marketplace and Auctions joy and run your auctions and purchases go smoothly. This means that the item description with the seller of the goods and agrees that the goods after payment synonymous delivered within a reasonable time is. If that is not the case, we will reimburse you under this guarantee the price of the separate article in accordance with the guidelines below. For all purchases made through Amazon Payments shall be the gross margin guarantee for 2,500 euros. " Maybe you take time to Amazon.de contact with you and inquire there for the dealer concerned?
Antwort von Hoshy:
If I wanted to do just ...
When I see that no more cams are available, of this dealer. All 4 XM1 and XM2 are gone!
It seems to me as if Amazon.de would have acted.
Well, I wait times whether he was reinstellt.
Antwort von Markus:
Well that's ja'n thing! Before I wrote my last post today morning, I checked again, and since all the camcorders were still there.
That Sunday is a popular shopping day in Germany (at least) on the Internet, so I already know of eBay. And the appliances sold were really cheap! Let's see if "electronic_shopp" in a few days (positive? Can show) reviews ...
Antwort von Hoshy:
Do you really think that he has been selling the things? I think it is possible, of course.
If so, then I'm really looking forward to the reviews time!
I stay on jedenfall in contact with him ...
Antwort von Hoshy:
Now a look at the times that could confirm my suspicions:
electronic_shopp really seems to have been of amazon.de dissolved, namely, now offers a seller (probably the same) under the name "zodos_one" the same products with the same number for the same price. Coincidentally, he is synonymous in the New Marketplace.
Well, there's something oberfaul ...
How do you think?
Antwort von Markus:
The probability is certainly very high. Whether the camcorder are perhaps fallen from the truck? The prices were "suspiciously cheap" for new equipment ...
Antwort von Hoshy:
Even now, all the goods of the seller are "zodos_one" sold out again. Does anybody know if you can find a seller at Amazon?
I stay behind this time.
Antwort von beni-l:
I have just provided a similar answer someone else:
if you want to have sharp picture quality, buy nothing more than the SonyVX 2000 or the newer VX 2100 (of no difference in image quality, but once and no opponents!)
Antwort von Hoshy:
So, the VX2100 I'm really too expensive, besides, I have Sonygemacht Unfortunately, bad experiences with, shoot me, but unfortunately it is so ... :-(
If anyone knows any other cams, it is okay to post it.
So, I am thinking for the XM2, I have read ahufenweise good reviews about them, and think Canon can trust.
Antwort von GhostDog:
So, the VX2100 I'm really too expensive, besides, I have Sonygemacht Unfortunately, bad experiences with, shoot me, but unfortunately it is so ... :-(
If anyone knows any other cams, it is okay to post it.
So, I am thinking for the XM2, I have read ahufenweise good reviews about them, and think Canon can trust.
Antwort von Tobias Grendl:
I think that the XM2 is currently the best price-/Leistungsverhältnis in the class of semi-professional 3-chip camcorder.
I own the Canon and am really pleased.
Tobias.
Antwort von Hoshy:
Yes, I think synonymous.
I make sure that I can get this cheap cam, am really excited in terms of technology and the reviews ...
Thanks again s.alle who have advised me!
Antwort von Meinl:
On Amazon sellers - for me it was called Zodo_home_on - I've become synonymous carefully. His offer new Canon XM2 with warranty, as he asserted, for 850 ¬ since today more auchnicht online. The question remains whether the cameras were sold, and have found their target, or whether it never existed? Has anyone of you want to test the next one at times to his offer? :-)
I have set myself with Amazon together (the whole place has not a single service number, nu e-mail) and tell what time'll say about this ...
Antwort von jonnyb:
I own the Canon and am really pleased.
Tobias. Hello Tobias,
At Canon, one should always be true since Canon Lenses with absolute top of the "L" has class.
gruss
Bernd
Antwort von Hoshy:
So, I am personally s.Amazon.de turned 3 times, because of these sales suspicious! I became synonymous answer, and indeed, that you would take care of this, but can not provide further details.
A day later, the offers were not online ...
Antwort von Markus:
So, I am personally s.Amazon.de turned 3 times, because of these sales suspicious! I became synonymous answer, and indeed, that you would take care of this, but can not provide further details.
A day later, the offers were not online ... That speaks a unique language! I would not at this dealer (s) buy.
Antwort von jonnyb:
Even now, all the goods of the seller are "zodos_one" sold out again. Does anybody know if you can find a seller at Amazon?
I stay behind this time. .... looking at you here though: http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/tg/detail/offer-listing/-/B00005K48H/new/ref=sdp_new_ph/028-2130024-9504521
gruss
Bernd
PS The thing I really would not trust ;-)
Antwort von Leiche:
Hello,
I had one from 2000 to 2003 of XM1 and XM2 I then changed to. The old I immediately sold. Although the XM1 not a bad device, but I would never again work with it, now that I know the XM2. Features 2 against 1 are simply the best:
- Improved image quality (slightly sharper image)
- An aperture over the XM1 was ALWAYS too weak in the dark
- Manual control over sound, sound equipment when connecting s.externes absolutely essential.
- Similarly in (you need s.and) to really
Antwort von rtzbild:
On Amazon sellers - for me it was called Zodo_home_on - I've become synonymous carefully.
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Has anyone of you want to test the next one at times to his offer? :-)
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High,
unfortunately I'm not so often since 2001, to Romania ... : o (
Where the dealer's supposed to sit?
BTW: Bucharest is a little too corny.
Buna ziua,
Olli
Vurpar, Judetul Sibiu
(Castle Hill, Sibiu district)
Antwort von prem:
If you're dependent on a possible professional TV-style, remember that almost all the chips in use of TV cameras have always been Sonyand not be made of Canon. Therefore, unfortunately, Canon does not look like it is "used on TV," I fell for it (XL2).
Enclosed are other experiences that I've made with Canon: Since I have purchased a 800th - ¬ Camcorders (MV6i), after 3 weeks he was) broken (head in the bucket. Then I realized that they have caught a "Monday device" I asked Canon, given the brevity of the Verschleisszeit to rescission, not to repair. Canon refused to repaired. This time the camera was full 2 weeks. But this time, Canon synonymous refused to tread. This game has the original as long as (4 pulled through!) Until the warranty had expired. Since I have ruined several professional applications in this way, which had thousands of dollars damage resulted, I can view this brazen "customer service" just a guess: FINGER AWAY FROM CANON!
Greeting of Tom
Antwort von Markus:
Hi Tom,
we have a thread in the forum specifically to defects on Canon camcorders. Perhaps you're interested what I mean. Meanwhile, there is no longer just about the XM2 ...
