So, after I have now studying magazines and (un) and capable vendor and everything, I came to the conclusion that there now may well be only HD and therefore it should be SonyHC3.
So far so good, if the part would not cost 1000 ¬. The primary purpose is the shooting of my child and any time (at a wedding what we hold as 0-8-15 filmmakers such films.;)
Why am I writing this? I was just beside me eineCanonMV750i current (price to 450 ¬) and I must say that I am any good, the camera actually quite synonymous.
Now time for my questions (you've probably been waiting on it;))
1. Can anyone describe to me the difference without using 1 / 6 and 1 / 2? 2. Can anyone recommend me to my needs out something? (long time was synonymous HDD SR90E of Sonynoch in the race, but since one has to settle Qualitätsabtriche because he's only (?) Mpeg2 stores)
As 1000 before me, I am somewhat in the forest and can not see what should I buy for my needs, so I
1. filming my child 2. I future 3. it was as easy as possible (hdd?)
would be just a few comments out of your experience, help me a lot (I hope).
Thank you Ron
Antwort von Markus:
Hi Ron,
which is not quite so simple. DV is sure to be replaced in future by high-resolution format. That this will be the medium HDV, is rather unlikely, especially now with AVCHD, a new HD standard (for the consumer sector? ") Was adopted for which it will soon give some initial camcorder.
Details see synonymous:
Antwort von Axel:
"ron1711" wrote:
1. filming my child 2. I future 3. it was as easy as possible (hdd?)
For Privataufnahmen point 3 is almost crucial. For systems changed once per generation, now expected every 5-10 years. Unfortunately, speaking from my point of view just 3 against HDV, that would be more what kind of DV. Future Proof are you with DV, but only conditionally, since the higher is Resolutionda (synonymous when, as everyone can clearly see with the current technology is neither practical nor presentable, both as synonymous transfer editing) are totally uncool. Now guess DP would be to advise, as then the DVD Introduction by someone for a Hi8 camcorder.
And it was the right advice!
Reason: Hi8 camcorder, it was the late nineties, used for 200 marks, to send the new Mini DV Cams tasted p. 1000 marks. They had not yet the real market, as we know today. After all, refrain was that the system would prevail, the Hi8 Cam was thus a transitional purchase. Nevertheless, the recordings have all survived and were burned to DVD. The quality is, well, something worse. Approximately two years later and 30 Hi8 tapes I bought used the first "real" computer, a VX1000.
What is lagging s.dem Comparison to the current situation? Today it is foreseeable that HDV does not assert itself as consumerfreundlichstes system.
Conclusion: Brave a small, used computer, the transition.
Antwort von ron1711:
Thanks for your answers. That's what I had already thought synonymous, I look at the development erstmal and buy just a small DV recorder.
To this end, I have even been one or two cameras in the eye.
Sony HC 46E Panasonic NV-GS 180
or vllt. But an NV-GS 300
so slow I'm always perplexed ... : ((
@ Markus: dislike is probably not the right, but the seller advised me just because of the compression of pictures of it. @ Axel: Gebrauchtkäufe I do not really. Nevertheless, once grateful for your contribution. If, however, refrain from changing the system so quickly, then remains the question of whether to wait at all, the correct answer is not there, or whether one takes current system because it is bound to find out anyway, quickly return to his relief.
Oh dear ... I think I would rather buy me some gummy bears, as is the choice really easily ...
Antwort von Markus:
The gummy bears with the're already a good idea! ;-)
"ron1711" wrote:
... what should I buy for my needs, so I can shoot my child ... [...]
This aspect, however, you set a certain time limit, because if the 30 to 40 years, at which one has a child with anger, until it finally takes off with her parents and rented an apartment / buying ... then many synonymous her camcorder no longer need. ;-)
Antwort von ron1711:
LOL ... the camera I need only 18 years .. ;)
what do you think of my choice ... I think I'll buy mi erstmal what really cheaper ... GS300 or 180 or sony?
Antwort von Markus:
I think it would be okay to buy now even a DV camcorder. I've never found myself so long ago done. The Axel of these aspects can not be dismissed of his hand.
Until finally a usable format in the consumer HD-riddled area, whose images can be easily and without costly rework, additional investment is still something (perish!) Time.
Antwort von WeiZen:
Moin, I'd like to contribute next to the confusion. :) No. I would not buy me cheap DV Cam, the moment comes when we inevitably regret this decision. But only if you really synonymous with the action films. Who has the higher Resolutionerlebt even knows where of I speak. In what format we store in the future HD knows nobody, but they were probably the HD, but appears to apply. Canon meldte only yesterday that they bring out two new HDV cams with Bandaufzeichung. But actually pretty damn if time does not come, or AVCHD, or something else, what really matters: a source for the HD flat screens. The there is. For this, a HC-3 HDV better suited as a DV Cam, TV views of sauteur is apart panels, the upscale blendent DV. The HC-3 is simply connected s.HMI connection of the panel. You have no HDTV? Does not matter, because a button, the Cam scaled down to DV. The original is on the tape in HDV. tape = the only medium where you can really trust to a long-term archiving. DVD's not really hard discs, cards, not exactly synonymous. Only because DVD-RAM can still compete. There are plenty of freeware tools to snip of HDV around, synonymous cheap beginner programs have the feature HDV editing. Unless you're expecting real time during complex assembly is capable of handling it right. A conventional PC today always reaches for it. And for that you will get your little high definition. The photos can be in standard 10x15 size synonymous appealing print synonymous single images from the film. Especially the latter is not exactly the hit computer.
Antwort von Axel:
"Wheat" wrote:
Who has the higher Resolutionerlebt even knows where of I speak.
An example of my theory that HD is addictive.
"Wheat" wrote:
In what format we store in the future HD knows nobody, but they were probably the HD, but appears to apply.
Agreed.
"Wheat" wrote:
The original is on the tape in HDV. tape = the only medium where you can really trust to a long-term archiving.
From the tape you can, as Ulrich certainly recommends in HDV - and cut an intermediate codec -. One can indeed cut but synonymous as DV, the quality is top. If the format is developed on the software side, and when finally play hardware at an affordable price there is, then you can, as Ulrich says, quite correctly, enjoy the original material is synonymous in HD. This both-synonymous option we have until now ignored.
Antwort von WeiZen:
[quote = "Axel"]
"Wheat" wrote:
Anyone who has the higher Resolutionerlebt From the tape you can, as Ulrich certainly recommends in HDV - and cut an intermediate codec -.
Exactly, and with the Main Concept plug-in for Adobe Elements, together ¬ 150, it should already go cheap of the hand. For starters, the always enough. Or could a EdiusPro3 version on eBay, one synonymous to get in the rotation. But that's later turn. First of a different Endscheidung lines up.
Yet a little help: I was 11 years ago before the Endscheidung VX-700 or VX-1000, the first DV cams with firewire IN. The VX-1000 cost the double, but synonymous as the HC-3, three recording chips. I took the VX-700 and I bitterly regretted it years later, the successor of the Cam VX-1000, had bought the VX-2000. For 1000 the difference would have been intolerable for the 700s, he is striking.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
"Wheat" wrote:
... but synonymous as the HC-3, three recording chips
S.Rande small correction: the HC3 has only one chip, not three.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von WeiZen:
True, but a CMOS, and therefore in principle three, since other operation, as the other CCD 's.
Antwort von ron1711:
hehe ... you want to annoy me or? I see here then two rival camps. One camp says, to buy you anything that has not yet been enforced s.Markt be final and possibly a Flopp will, others say that it is not worthwhile to use a technique which, although well tried, but it is getting old and no longer corresponds to the current time.
The two sides are making a joke of it, go with the feelings of a novice roller coaster and guide him once again in one and in the other direction ... certainly leads to the Admin home secretly a point table ... give it;)
Ok, again seriously - So the fact is that HD (in my case, HC3), the Höhrer clearly recognizable Resolutionbesitzt and this one (the corresponding terminal condition) can clearly see synonymous. [yes / no]
- It is anticipated that HD will not enforce any s.Markt [yes / no]
- [I'm with the HC3 in a position synonymous DV recordings to make good (ie actually a computer and buy an HD Cam) yes / no]
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Until finally a usable format in the consumer HD-riddled area, whose images can be easily and without costly rework, additional investment is still something (perish!) Time.
In the current Magix Video is tested to be able to HD ... the price for this is ¬ 99 .... What do you mean with expensive additional investments?
Antwort von Axel:
So the fact is that HD (in my case, HC3), the Höhrer clearly recognizable Resolutionbesitzt and this one (the corresponding terminal condition) can clearly see synonymous. [[B] Yes [/ b] / no]
It is anticipated that HD will not enforce any s.Markt [ja / [b] no [/ b]]
HD V currently uses MPEG 2 as the codec. There is already a better compression (eg MPEG 4 Part 10) and although 3-4 times better!
I'm with the HC3 in a position synonymous DV good shots to make (that is actually a computer and buy an HD Cam) [[b] Yes [/ b] no /]
Where you should always include in HDV (the tapes are better coated and runterkonvertieren slightly more expensive) and only by the camera), no additional effort.
"Mark" wrote:
Until finally a usable format in the consumer HD-riddled area, whose images can be easily and without costly rework, additional investment is still something (perish!) Time.
And Ulrich aksWeiZen Premiere Elements + MainConcept encoder estimated solution with 150 ¬, which would be no expensive additional investment. Explanation:
"Mark" wrote:
... Without expensive and easy to reprocess additional investments ...
Everything is relative, of course, but the cut is shit, really now. Especially if you corrections and effects apply them, what does one actually. But well, it's doable. And then? No problem, you play the finished movie back to your camera (it takes HOURS, since the film) must first be zurückgerendert to Mpeg2. The camera then you can connect via YUV s.deinen HDready TV or projector. You can leave the film synonymous on your hard drive and play on an HD network player (for example, Pinnacle ShowCenter 2000, about 250 ¬). Whether you're easy to find cheap or even cool (especially in Comparison to the DVD, the quality especially on modern TVs do not even need to hide), is a matter of opinion. With the passing Hapert's course completely.
Antwort von WeiZen:
"ron1711" wrote:
In the current Magix Video is tested to be able to HD ... the price for this is ¬ 99 .... What do you mean with expensive additional investments?
Additional Investment: Now both a HD TV Second, a current PC for editing of the film. 3.x Ghz PC with a separate board for the video data, it should be. Magix is one of the few Programs that synonymous WMV HD-DVD's authorn, that can provide with menu on regular DVD's.
If you want to see more real can s.PC when editing the film, of course, still spending more.
But it is important that there erstmal the movie in HD (V). According to the IFA, it is more and more synonymous Flat TV's give the 1920x1080 1:1, therefore, may represent each pixel, with 50 Hz, and they are cheaper.
Antwort von ron1711:
I have a 3 ghz and the Television I bar, when old makes the sliding tackle ... My old tube but can dissolve safely synonymous HDV ... or not?
I think I'll buy me now but the HC3 ... the camp gets the point
Antwort von Axel:
"ron1711" wrote:
... My old tube but can dissolve safely synonymous HDV ... or not?
Nope, not that. But if you erstmal, as I suggested, as a DV with DVD as the destination working (and you), lift your original tape good for better times, it indeed does not synonymous.
"ron1711" wrote:
... I think I'll buy me now but the HC3 ... the camp gets the point
Camp? Let's not exaggerate. I would rather speak of the department HD addiction. Like any addiction compensated HDV synonymous with those concerned a defect. When one is obsessed with obesity of fatty and sweet foods, with high-fat addiction Resolutionund of (mostly) sweet, kitschy paintings. Characteristic of advanced dependence is the increasing inability to see the realism of the price-performance ratio, of course, to the delight of Sony.
Antwort von WeiZen:
"Axel" wrote:
Nope, not that. But if you erstmal, as I suggested, as a DV with DVD as the destination working (and you), lift your original tape good for better times, it indeed does not synonymous.
For the better times I set myself a produce transport stream, which I do not need anyway, at the finished movie to tape off, what will I do as long as there are always tapes indicate to the plate. This way, later created the HD_DVD. Or even today with Ulead Filmbrennerei5. The m2t by MpegVCR change into a program stream and authorn to DL-layer DVD's. 40 minutes is enough for HDV. Thus s.Rande.
@ Ron1711 Good Endscheidung.
Antwort von ron1711:
hehe, thanks for your help ...
@ Axel: I buy HD actually mainly with the option in the future, the appropriate equipment (such as the lookout synonymous always will see) to be able to. I can well understand your argument and have long striven to whether Hd or maybe not ... At the end wirds HD, because it will at least for sure, "someday" be better than DV.
And the price is still ok .. a friend has any Sony, which at that time synonymous cost 2,000 marks.
Antwort von Axel:
"ron1711" wrote:
... I buy HD actually mainly with the option in the future, the appropriate equipment (such as the synonymous lookout always will see) to be able to.
In fact, reasonable. The others have already said before thee synonymous. Then you are in any media market a spacy plasma with parrots and Nemo-like fish and blarney, and your wife / girlfriend can do is tear off with difficulty. Now, let's see what we have since purchased. With the TV so the rat tail begins. Future proof would Pampers ® and Alete ® for Little Ron:
"ron1711" wrote:
The primary purpose is the shooting of my child.
... you were the mother's say-more than HD junkie. We do not want to hope times.
Antwort von ron1711:
Pampers is already there, and otherwise, I swear to Hipp, who is even with his name for it;)
I want my child to stop and even show Hd in 18 years my 12 years old Sonywohl will no longer flicker ....
nd the Resolutionwird probably be, or how easy 20000x150000 always synonymous ...
mal ne stupid question ... Resolutionbei a beamer is not actually completely sausage?
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... you were the mother's say-more than HD junkie. We do not want to hope times.
Did I not getting it, but it is synonymous late:)
Antwort von WeiZen:
"ron1711" wrote:
mal ne stupid question ... Resolutionbei a beamer is not actually completely sausage?
No of course not. Even when hanging projector depends on which Resolutionder signal processor processes in which he converted extrapolated / (scaling) or must not scale at all, and those who 1920x1080 1:1 may still Schweineteuer> 10K ¬.
Antwort von Axel:
"Wheat" wrote:
... 1920x1080 1:1 And those who can are still Schweineteuer> 10K ¬.
Currently I run before the film Pirates of the Caribbean 2 on a TrueHD DLP Projector zum Bild (Costs with Server to 200k). The film has a Resolutionvon 1920x803 pixels (which is not widescreen, but Scope = 1:2,39), the screen has a width of 24 meters, or about 240 square meters area. The sharpness of the impression (2k for 2000 pixel horizontal resolution) image corresponds to an analog copy of 35mm (just under 6k). For this you need TrueHD, no doubt, eh? Wrong. The World Cup we had before on the same screen withthis projector (the left), who has not a TrueHD. Not as good as with a large projector, if only because of lower intensity, but perfectly adequate.
I do not know me, then in practice with HD. That is why I say that all the fuss about TrueHD and any resolutions of the industry only fueled hysteria, sheets, to the detriment of the consumers who use these labels with envy at face value and with cash. If there were an HD-Cam, which would be true in terms of quality and price, I would be the first to buy them. With approximately 3000 ¬ per year expenditure for this hobby (Cams, accessories, Calculator, software), I certainly do not belong to the savings foxes! I's my only good people.
"Wheat" wrote:
Who has the higher Resolutionerlebt even knows where of I speak.
Anyone who has ever of the incredible sharpness was blinded stumbles, henceforth, blind to all the facts in each case, marketing, buying HD and can convince themselves greedy, horny or not to be stupid.
"ron1711" wrote:
And the price is still ok .. a friend has any Sony, which at that time synonymous cost 2,000 marks.
The price is okay, your decision makes sense (chip size and type seem to be very good, but what's with the manual focus, or an external Micro?), Would be just crazy, now in the wake of the same plasma or projector or upgraded to Buy Calculator.
Antwort von fnickel:
Hello Axel,
So that with the manual focus, I have already noticed, and even seems to be only a clumsy Rendelrad or similarly solved. So rather impractical.
Me in the course of the camera then buy a new living room, I naturally see themselves is not. If, then the whole thing rather than developing stand at once completely before me.
I think that the camera is actually very widely praised. Something I was just wondering
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... Micro or external?
I could not find anything about this, but I can surely considers that, in a camera in this price segment has a shoe that can take on a Micro? Or am I mistaken?
Has a real experience with the chamber, whether it was synonymous hears so loud (as in the case of the Canon MV759i?) The drive?
Antwort von Axel:
For further reading, synonymous, the whole thread (the game: Find the HD Guru. But it is indeed too simple.) hier sowie here. In the second thread clears the synonymous with the external micro, on the intelligent accessory shoe. Intelligence is always sold well, can not be spread very far.
Antwort von Monschilove:
To all who prefer HDV. Forget time is not that nothing brings HDV if you do not have the appropriate accessories that are anything but cheap: HDV Television, appropriate editing software, etc! Filmed in high quality, wrong, very high quality is all well and good, but how it looks with the processing and output to DVD for posterity?
Antwort von WeiZen:
I'm interested in what else? What I'm interested in posterity? I now live, not tomorrow. Today I can shoot HDV, see the Edit in HDV RT s.exe monitor and watch the final movie of removable disks - in full resolution. Finished film on tape. More secure than DVD, BR or HD-DVD.
Antwort von Wiro:
Hello, I do not understand these uncertainties and endless Cassandrarufe. If one day At length a new camcorder - why not be solls HDV? Who is (still) no HDready has TV, can still synonymous watch in standard definition. And each issue is better NLE synonymous in a position as an SD-DVD. The important thing is however that the recordings first time in HDV Resolutionhat.
As time SVHS out, there was exactly the same discussions, "but for SVHS I need a new television and new cut Recorder and ever ...". Well, and what happened? If you're not SVHS SVHS Television and not editing suite, had just been cut, as in VHS. But he had the first link in the processing chain first time in the high picture and piece by piece could change. Which of course then usually synonymous happened. Gruss Wiro
Antwort von ronald1711:
Sure wiro, only the good pieces atm Euronen 1200 and a comparable cost SD halt just 700 Euronen ... And for the purpose of the child to be incorporated .. well, I find my High8 (if any already high 8 or super8) was synonymous very funny ... So why necessarily in HDV?
I've ordered here, contrary to what is now an NV-GS 300 ... And while my new computer (almost) saved: d Clearly, the quality will not be able to keep up, but the real interest except freaks hardly anyone ... I see at least .. Diskussionenhier here remind me very s.The 90 games discussions, which were made even better graphics and even better sound, but the content is completely forgotten .... ich finds einfach geil, that I can see myself as a child and see how I'm stupid rumgewankt ... And if the sweater was now really megarot way or just the film has one farbstich, I do not care really ... Therefore, the discussions ... ;)
