Frage von Paul*Berlin:
Hello community,
I will continue mitfilmen several concerts and music events,
the music event at which I am sure that I mitfilme, a musical evening with a school wide performances of the choir to guitar quartet or small school band or a big tape, the concert will be a proper little rock concert Unsuccessful not such a tape, and now I have two questions:
1st How should I proceed s.besten with the sound? Should I rely on my shotgun microphone, synonymous to the applause and the drums (the school is not miked) will have on the recording, but only mono, or see about a Direktmitschnitt the mixer? He would then probably synonymous mono only, I do not think that is paid to the school's "Panorama of sound", and then probably with better music quality, but without drums and with no applause.
And if I'm doing, I would then merge in post-production audio and video, or get the sound through stereo jack into the camera, "absolute" synchronization to have?
My Micro if I put up, should I simply sent in the direction of the stage or should I rather send it to one of the boxes? Synonymous And I would make sure that I do not get too close s.Stromkabel ... And should I switch to kidney or hypercardioid?
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2nd Question: When will my school concert or other camcorder available to the school, a teacher is synonymous to operate a camera, could further) addressed as behind the drums, s.Klavier (on the keyboard, etc. are situated. As it should really be no problems. At most, that a camera mal ne long time no records or the image detail for a conversion is no longer true. But you can indeed verify synonymous s.and to ...
At the rock concert, but only 2 are my camcorder available - the HD camcorder I am beside or in front of the stage (and serve as synonymous make sure that the camera is not stolen!), The SD-cam I'll set up somewhere on the stage . Now my question is, where should it be s.besten - behind the drums, filming in front; s.vorderen edge of the stage filming the singers and guitarists, with a microphone stand above the Schalgzeug of filming (certainly synonymous an interesting perspective, but the Cam would be a waste and they had not enough intercut ...
Perhaps someone can and will indeed (at least in part) to answer my questions? Sorry for all the text!
Many thanks in advance
paule
Antwort von nicecam:
Want to sound rather different views what to say before I say in / s.ihm misunderstand :-)
And if I'm doing, I would then merge in post-production audio and video, or get the sound through stereo jack into the camera, "absolute" synchronization to have? I would not have understood completely. In the recording you take care of a synchronous point for both cameras must pass through, otherwise you will be a new set point. It does not have a photo flash, or clapping hands, etc.
In the post you're looking for that point. Maybe you have, despite initial synchronization synchrony s.end an offset in the footsteps of the camcorder. That should be adjustable in every post about compress / stretch.
Only 2 camcorder is obviously already an emergency situation, such as one can not go. The passive camera is SD? Now that should be ran close. Actually, I would recommend that a camera - the SD? - Takes up the entire stage; of the front. The HD camera close-ups and has actively served synonymous takes time for the audience. But where does it end in. Depending on location, you can shoot the back of the audience only. If you are standing next front, you have to just turn the camera if necessary.
You can make with your SD Camera no detail shots. If you are with the HD camera somewhere in front s.der stage are (is not synonymous middle of the audience?) Then at least you have the opportunity to incorporate the active camera with this.
Can not you get a second HD Camera? It is in fact synonymous, the question format, namely, 16x9 or 4x3. The SD Camera is only the latter, or both? If your HD Camera I do not know if they can synonymous 4x3 in SD mode.
You need to discuss this. I recommend the lowest common denominator. That is, if the SD is only 4x3 camera, should you with the HD camera to film in the format as synonymous.
Then you have less problems in the post. In a 16x9 production you had to, if you have with the SD-camera 4x3 filmed, digitally zoom the picture of this camera in the mail. This means loss of quality.
In a 4x3-production, however, you can zoom into the post office in the HD material, the end result will be yes PAL for DVD or something.
Antwort von Paul*Berlin:
Hello John,
Thanks for your answers. I try to appreciate the issues you have raised the resolve to:
The format Question: The SD-Cam can do both, although I have to bring is 16:9 clips s.Computer more into perspective, as anamorphic recorded. But this is not a problem, the HD-Cam, however, can only HD in 16:9. But that's no problem with my technique constellation.
Yes, 2 are in fact little camcorder. I could probably still get SD s.eine-Cam, it could be a behind the drums and then film the drummer, and while the rest of the tape of the back. With the other SD camcorder shots of the front would then be possible.
When I am with the HD camcorder off the stage s.Bühnenrand stand, I could probably reinkriegen the singer in the side and get CloseUp synonymous, the first row of the audience onto picture without changing the Tripod site, I think I only know the location of pictures, so I do not synonymous, for example, whether there is a safety distance between the tape and its audience. But I go strongly believe that not.
Another thing to synchro thing, but was referring more to this night of music: I assume that I mean Hauptcam will build directly on the audio mixer, at best, can provide me with the school synonymous one 1x2m Stage platform to enable the I Heads can shoot away. Otherwise, I must point to the podium with the lighting and sound equipment, that would be even higher, but it would be very closely synonymous.
Anyway, it would offer are to be strong, a cable from your mixer to stereo jack input of my HD-Cam to create when the volume s.Pult according runterdreht (-20 dB for a microphone input of troubles?? Is that true? ?). Or would the poor quality?
Even if I had then with the HD picture very synchronous sound. As with the external micro but synonymous.
Another thing about the action directly to the audience: "I could not shoot with tripod, it would have a very amateurish look and I habs not yet managed to buy a battery that is longer than 90 minutes (at best hold out!) ...
So far, so good, best wishes, paule
Antwort von Jan Myck:
To your question 1, Sound:
The best way is to decrease mixer with a separate recording device, plus a room microphone, leading to the camera.
So when you have cut all the options.
But beware: The camera that leads never turn off the sound in the piece! Images can replace it. Sound not!
Is usually recorded at room stereo microphone.
The man also s.Pult stereo mixes. Of these, one did not notice much.
Rather, it is a clean distribution of sounds in space.
Much more important than stereo, is the location of the microphone and the quality of the microphone.
Loan you believe is the best Microphone, which you can get. (Musikalienhandel) A shotgun is ungeignet because it has strong tone coloration to the sides. Optimal would be two kidneys in XY position. The camcorder microphones are completely ungeignet, if only because the camcorder is not in the optimal sound field.
It is important that you find in the music samples the optimal location for the micro-Hall. Depending on the acoustics of the room and Hall, the situation is always a compromise. Place the microphone on a very sturdy tripod to as high as possible on the Zuschaeurn. Attach it so that they can not knock down. If it all possible, use symmetrical microphone ports. (Disturbances can not test it beforehand, they are) always unagekündigt
Stereo or mono, is relatively insignificant. If you are capturing mono, you can either mixer line out as synonymous, the microphone placed on your camera. If channels are separately switched to LINE or MIC level.
I've come yet to always run along parlell a separate recording device. This is a very safe feeling.
Good luck!
January
Antwort von Jan Myck:
I find even more:
Be careful, the music mixers often have very high output level, +4 or +6 dB.
Unsymmetrical camcorder inputs are in the LINE mode well below-10db. It gets slightly distorted, which we later noticed. Distortions are irreparable. Listening to the recording!
Mandatory course, is that the camera is level on LINE switchable, otherwise gehts nicht.
Gruß, Jan
Antwort von nicecam:
Well, I know the location, much less than you, since you can with 2 cameras then available wherever you like. Wirds difficult in any case.
Extra Stage platform would not be bad. But then you get worse to the mixer already clear. You do not rely on the sound engineer, what you offer there. Must audition to let loudest signal you and give dowry. Dear little understeer. And then the finger during the concert away from the audio controller. You have enough to do with the Picture.
But the audio thing I want to immerse myself prefer not next. 've Got myself still learning needs.
I finally got done with a musical performance following. My notebook is installed on the freeware Audacity, placed near a box. Dynamic Microsystems posted in front of the box, Driven and recorded. Then you need not worry about yourself. However, I have not been synchronized with the recordings of the Vidoematerial. Can a piece divergent. But you should get as I said, yes, under control.
Notebook carry naturally over the network.
Incidentally, I had previously tried to run my Sennheiser ME 66 so that, despite indestructive Runterregelung almost hit me around the ears.
The sound engineer beguckte the matter and said that I should work my way around times with reasonable stuff. Although this stuff, what I have been all right, but not in context.
Incidentally you should if possible carry your cameras and anything else you need it, over the network. As little stress as possible.
Again there was someone faster, I just noticed.
Antwort von MarcBallhaus:
If you want you have a horrible, pressureless Amateurton, do as the previous speaker has described.
Want a professional, fat sound, do it like this:
1. So many single tracks resonated curb as possible, s.besten record each instrument individually.
2. If No. 1 is not possible, then at least every selbstklingende instrument individually, as are the voice and plucked the quietest s.lautesten are therefore mixed in the hall. Would you take this room for your average mixed, would be precisely those instruments consistently uncomfortably loud.
3. The hall as 6-fold mikrofonieren, 2 front L / R in front of the stage addressed in addition to the main speakers, 2 mid / top L / R s.Decke, 2 rear L / R. Do not do that, it will sound after 10 people in the wrong position after each round of applause sounds in the hall and call for the same people are always the same.
4. Sound s.Bühne split, pre-amp in separte blender and add about subgroups in HD recorders.
Even if you finance for budgetary reasons, perhaps the Optimium can not, you should implement as much as possible of what I have advised you, since each item saved your quality immediately reduces audible.
If you have left over 2000 EUR, then buy some of it may not üblichweise more it costs the sound depart separte mature in up to 64 tracks and you have all the trouble and expense of the leg.
MB
Antwort von B.DeKid:
@ Paul * Berlin
Check out this thread at times as well as of my recommended toys.
http://forum.slashcam.de/viewtopic.php?p=409222 # 409,222
My best friend worked for years for one of the biggest concert event German company, which was more than convinced of the device.
Ok, he brought to the test synonymous with microphones and mixers, as well as a full rack t.toy which will cost thousands of dollars - but his was clearly Conclusion
"For home the thing is more than is good - all thumbs up."
It must therefore not always be Motu and Co.. ;-)
But just when you really need to remove as much sound as possible and then mix and deliver synonymous in retrospect, the best results.
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But because of the Marc says about 2000 euros I think this is rather subtle understatement ;-) And so is the beginning aka the tip of the iceberg ;-) Otherwise, I fully agree - any sound professional sound is probably better than it geeeignet even want to try.
MfG
B. DeKid
